Chelsea Manning should get a pardon, Snowden and Assange can fuck off.
What's the over-under on how long it is until Assange gets renditioned?
This would be about what Assange deserves after all this.
Chelsea Manning should get a pardon, Snowden and Assange can fuck off.
What's the over-under on how long it is until Assange gets renditioned?
This would be about what Assange deserves after all this.
I hope Julian assange gets shoved in a locker and then the locker gets tipped over
@CCC:
Half a shithead's still a shithead when it comes to bigotry.
The idea that anyone would try to defend this monster using semantics and "Oh, he only really wants gay people to go away, but he won't force them" is laughable. Homosexuality was declassified as a mental disorder in 1973, so let's join the 21st century, shall we?
The word "monster" is used in order to justify not seeing someone the same as you.
The word "monster" is used in order to justify not seeing someone the same as you.
Pence has a clear track record of trying to undermine AIDS research and awareness funding while rerouting that money to things like conversion therapy. He clearly subscribes to the belief that HIV/AIDS is divine punishment for gay people.
The guy really is a monster.
The word "monster" is used in order to justify not seeing someone the same as you.
I'm curious. What do you find to be redeemable in Trump and Pence thst you try yo reason away their lack of caring? Nothing they've said I've found to make a lick of sense in the grand scheme of things. It's policies that make people's lives worse. And pit half the country against each other. For mostly made up reasons.
Someone start a tally of all the people up in arms about the Vice President getting treated like shit but openly approved/partook in treating Obama like shit.
I'll start:
Why would you do that, Obama? You have nothing to lose… you're just being a dick at this point.
You got people living on death row some of whom likely are innocent, Snowden is living comfortably in Russia….Him choosing not to pardon Snowden isn't by any means a dick move.
The guy really is a monster.
Question is will he be a worse monster than Cheney or just fade into the ether of forgettable Vice Presidents.
@Cyan:
Someone start a tally of all the people up in arms about the Vice President getting treated like shit but openly approved/partook in treating Obama like shit.
I'll start:
- Donald J. Trump
And I can open tally of people here who defend Obama from attackers, yet will let people go down on Pence when he was just trying to relax for goodness sake.
Before people assume I am just some Trump fan girl, here's my deal is the fact that the media and left wing material are falling on the same mantra that Fox News does which is cater up self righteous anger and echo chambers.
If you think that the country was just divided because of this election, then people need to wake up because it's always been divided. One person's candidate is pitted against the other half due to their stances.
There is a lot of criticism to go around, but I believe this little stunt was just plain rude and people are justifying it to the point that they bulk at other people when they point it out.
And I can open tally of people here who defend Obama from attackers, yet will let people go down on Pence when he was just trying to relax for goodness sake.
….If Pence weren't a awful person with legitimate issues, along with him being the 2nd in command of guy who also is an awful person with legitimate issues. Your defense and false parallels would have some merit.........But since it's not you're essentially complaining over something without any true merit and asserting a wonky double standard.
Most of the people who attacked Obama during both his candidacy and presidency had no true reason for doing so, whereas the people both those trying to reach out to Pence and the people booing him. Have legit reasons to do so.
Guys, don't you realize how unfair it is to talk badly about people based on their own words and actions while defending another guy who was accused of things that are either nothing new for the Presidency or that he didn't actually do in the first place?
….If Pence weren't a awful person with legitimate issues, along with him being the 2nd in command of guy who also is an awful person with legitimate issues. Your defense and false parallels would have some merit.........But since it not you're essentially complaining about why people are trying to reach out to a guy who'll very likely ignore their complaints and worries and complaining about a double standard when there isn't one.
Basically said what I was going to.
There's a masssive difference in what's going on when people openly heckled Obama and a person politely asking to be heard.
They were respectful. That people think not voicing a real concern to one of the main people who are the cause is silly. Thry didn't swear. They didn't scream.
The government is supposed to work for the people. We as a free nation get to voice real concerns to those people. They aren't kings and dictators. These are the sort of people that take silence as compliance. We have to speak out.
Didn't the entire RNC consist of people chanting horrible things at Obama and Clinton? Didn't CONGRESS MEMBERS shout " You lie!" at Obama during a SotU?
It's a cool part of America that we get to boo the Vice President because he's a dirtbag.
Didn't Obama defend a Trump heckler at a rally a few weeks ago?
Guys, don't you realize how unfair it is to talk badly about people based on their own words and actions while defending another guy who was accused of things that are either nothing new for the Presidency or that he didn't actually do in the first place?
….Did Zephos hack your account:ninja:
Didn't the entire RNC consist of people chanting horrible things at Obama and Clinton?
Yes along with a protester holding a sign during a rally in the leadup to the 2012 Election about putting "The White" Back In The White House….....Rhetoric that hasn't changed despite the fact that Hillary isn't black.
Didn't CONGRESS MEMBERS shout, " You lie!"
One did…..you also had Samuel Alito's infamous smh and not true during another speech.
Didn't Obama defend a Trump heckler at a rally a few weeks ago?
And Trump promptly turned around and pretended that Obama attacked the guy.
And Trump promptly turned around and pretended that Obama attacked the guy.
so Both Sides Do It and furthermore
Didn't Obama defend a Trump heckler at a rally a few weeks ago?
He did. And then Trump said Obama attacked the heckler.
Thank you all for confirming. ^_^
Vox lists a bunch of shady stories that are also Important and should get some attention: http://www.vox.com/2016/11/19/13685762/donald-trump-hamilton-distraction?utm_campaign=vox&utm_content=chorus&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter
It's bad enough if it was Pence going to the performance by himself and he was put on the spotlight, but the fact he had his family with him just adds to the distastefulness. It was the wrong time to have the speech, especially after the audience booed him on. With his family there, don't you think that would have made them uncomfortable as well or you think that they should be subjected to the jeers. It was a wrong time for that message, and it should have been done in private.
Also Donald isn't distracting anyone from anything. The media has done a good job of doing that. It's a reason I find Vox just as much left wing tabloid trash as the rest, because they are just on board with sensationalizing and being one sided.
Prediction: the only thing Trump will concern himself with is raiding the treasury and getting as much grift as humanly possible in four years. The primary sources of suffering will instead be the chucklefucks he pulled out of a hat and gave the Department of Justice to.
Thank you all for confirming. ^_^
Vox lists a bunch of shady stories that are also Important and should get some attention: http://www.vox.com/2016/11/19/13685762/donald-trump-hamilton-distraction?utm_campaign=vox&utm_content=chorus&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter
What the shit? Mr. Burns is a less corrupt billionaire.
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It's bad enough if it was Pence going to the performance by himself and he was put on the spotlight, but the fact he had his family with him just adds to the distastefulness. It was the wrong time to have the speech, especially after the audience booed him on. With his family there, don't you think that would have made them uncomfortable as well or you think that they should be subjected to the jeers. It was a wrong time for that message, and it should have been done in private.
Also Donald isn't distracting anyone from anything. The media has done a good job of doing that. It's a reason I find Vox just as much left wing tabloid trash as the rest, because they are just on board with sensationalizing and being one sided.
Repeating what you said a page ago isn't goimg to make what you're saying true. Or are you just going to ignore what other's have said?
Really, why shouldn't Pence be allowed to enjoy a show starring people he doesn't think are entitled to basic civil rights?
Clinton Foundation supposedly takes money from foreign governments (to spend it on AIDS relief in Africa): HOLY SHIT THIS IS AS CROOKED AS THEY COME WHAT THE HELL IS EVEN GOING ON HERE furiously writes daily frontpage articles
Trump directly takes money from foreign governments so they can curry his favour: eh.
Trump directly takes money from foreign governments so they can curry his favour: eh.
Yes but does Trump have a private email server?
Whoever thinks that Snowden shouldn't get a pardon can fuck off, he's a hero. Obama lied on nearly every point in this video:
Another day passes with less people complaining on Twitter. The storm settles and most people realize that whoever is president doesn't effect them directly and it never did. As long as most of you realize that Clinton being president wouldn't lean America towards this equal more progressive country any faster. War-criminals leading the nation, drug addicts being punished and sent to privatized jails instead of getting help, the ever evolving TTIP.
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@Cyan:
Yes but does Trump have a private email server?
Well he does still have access to the network in his Trump towers so who knows if that's actually compliant.
@Cyan:
Prediction: the only thing Trump will concern himself with is raiding the treasury and getting as much grift as humanly possible in four years. The primary sources of suffering will instead be the chucklefucks he pulled out of a hat and gave the Department of Justice to.
Real risky prediction there. considering all the money laundering Trump has used his campaign for
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Repeating what you said a page ago isn't goimg to make what you're saying true. Or are you just going to ignore what other's have said?
People are candy coating this, and try to make it seem like they were doing this respectfully. And I didn't repeat it and I pointed out his family was there, and you didn't respond to the fact that they would also have heard those jeers and been there to see the cast target their father/husband.
If this is liberal tolerance, then it can go jump in the loch ness.
People are candy coating this, and try to make it seem like they were doing this respectfully. And I didn't repeat it and I pointed out his family was there, and you didn't respond to the fact that they would also have heard those jeers and been there to see the cast target their father/husband.
If this is liberal tolerance, then it can go jump in the loch ness.
Are you willfully mixing the audience booing with the cast giving a speech. Or is that a symptom of you not actually knowing what happened.
Because you still don't seem to think the show was like y'know, a heavily political show.
Do you even know shows can be political.
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Also where the hell were you with your "My goodness!" outrage every other day of the campaign when Pence's running mate was talking.
If the cast had made a speech about grabbing pussies would you have nothing to say.
@Cyan:
Yes but does Trump have a private email server?
Well, we know his VP deleted thousands of emails last week.
You don't get to fucking talk about hypocrisy and play the part of the nice church-going potluck smiling Republican when the ticket was Donald goddamned Trump.
You should be horrified and outraged.
But Pence had his night out in a city he probably hates get ruined, and by golly that's just not nice!
@Monkey:
Are you willfully mixing the audience booing with the cast giving a speech. Or is that a symptom of you not actually knowing what happened.
Because you still don't seem to think the show was like y'know, a heavily political show.
Do you even know shows can be political.
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Also where the hell were you with your "My goodness!" outrage every other day of the campaign when Pence's running mate was talking.
If the cast had made a speech about grabbing pussies would you have nothing to say.
Actually I was some where else saying how I disliked revelations about Trump. The thing is it's time for the left wing to be called out, because sometimes they deserve criticism as much as Trump.
I think Pence apologizes too much for Trump, but on the other hand the theater did put him in the spotlight and it was after the whole audience was done booing him.
It's easy to criticize Trump because he has a whole case with him, but it's not easy to criticize people who probably have the backing of so many others and they pat them on the back for doing it. For the Hamilton cast and the audience, the people are just giving them the thumbs up while people are pointing out they are not as in the right as people are making them out to be.
Actually I was some where else saying how I disliked revelations about Trump. The thing is it's time for the left wing to be called out, because sometimes they deserve criticism as much as Trump.
Things ruined by the cast giving a speech:
-Mike Pence's friday night.
The left wing gets called out every day by the left wing. That's why they keep losing elections.
That's not a uniquely American thing either.
People are candy coating this, and try to make it seem like they were doing this respectfully. And I didn't repeat it and I pointed out his family was there, and you didn't respond to the fact that they would also have heard those jeers and been there to see the cast target their father/husband.
If this is liberal tolerance, then screw it.
Okay fine I'll address his family being there. Do you think they haven't heard worse because of him? It sucks but when you are a politician especially at the level he is. His family is going to be dragged in. In an ideal world family that has no hand in politics they should be off limits. Unfortunately people tried to drag down Obama's kids for very mild kid stuff the the Bush twins would have used as a starter for the day.
Pence has been a politician a long time. This was respectful. They asked for a moment of his time after the play. Made no insults, no overt untrue accusations. So what if there was an audience still there? Do you understand that it was a very odd choice for him to even attend that play? For content alone and the hate he's spewed for years? Pence is not a delicate flower. I can't really imagine his family being upset. And really it was Trump that threw a hissy fit. Pence as far as I knew made no comment because he's not an idiot.
@Monkey:
Things ruined by the cast giving a speech:
-Mike Pence's friday night.
And by a audience who were booing him, so I wouldn't call it small. And the audience at the end who booed cheered when the speech happened, and it probably validated their rudeness.
I'd probably feel worse about the idea of Pence's family seeing firsthand how people feel about him being an asshole if a significant portion of the people complaining about his treatment didn't own "Trump that bitch" shirts.
Must be stressful to be one of those conspiracy guys who are genuine in their beliefs. Like at that reddit site about pizza it literally says get a VPN because people have been killed over what we know here. Imagine living a day as a man who genuinly thinks, and takes steps to counter the fact, that Hillary Clinton is out to get him, like not hyperbole, not explotation of cheap arguments, but actually under the belief that she can and will have you killed over "uncovering the truth". I get an emerging ulcer just imagining it.
Politicians kill people daily, not in the assassination sense. I don't think anyone is out to get me but I do believe that huge organizations and people in high power would use extreme measures to protect themselves. Ignorance is bliss. Aliens man…...
You got people living on death row some of whom likely are innocent, Snowden is living comfortably in Russia….Him choosing not to pardon Snowden isn't by any means a dick move.
There's no maximum number of people he can pardon. If he wants to, he can pardon every drug offender in the country.
Politicians kill people daily, not in the assassination sense. I don't think anyone is out to get me but I do believe that huge organizations and people in high power would use extreme measures to protect themselves. Ignorance is bliss. Aliens man…...
Seems rather arbitrary to just assume that these incredibly vast and powerful organizations, who know all and plan all, would be above keeping an eye on a troublemaker like you. Who knows what pages you have been browsing and spreading.
There's no maximum number of people he can pardon. If he wants to, he can pardon every drug offender in the country.
But yet him refusing to pardon a guy who uncovered something that wasn't really a secret and gaining nothing in the process if he did….is bad?
Whoever thinks that Snowden shouldn't get a pardon can fuck off, he's a hero. Obama lied on nearly every point in this video:
Heroes don't run from pending prosecution (by also fleeing to Russia)…...or make asinine statements that make no sense.
But yet him refusing to pardon a guy who uncovered something that wasn't really a secret and gaining nothing in the process if he did….is bad?
Heroes don't run from pending prosecution......or make asinine statements that make no sense.
He provided valuable insight into just how invasive the NSA's domestic spying programs were. If he stayed, he would likely have been imprisoned for decades or even executed for treason. Heroes don't need to die nailed to a cross to be heroes.
He even defended Hillary on the email issue… why do people hate him?
This tweet was just deleted:
Also Crooked Donald still meeting with Indian business partners: http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/politics-and-nation/donald-trump-meets-indian-partners-hails-pm-modis-work/articleshow/55465060.cms?utm_source=contentofinterest&utm_medium=text&utm_campaign=cppst
Besides being CONFLICT OF INTEREST as hell, this will also put Pakistan on red alert.
He provided valuable insight into just how invasive the NSA's domestic spying programs were.
And liked mentioned…..wasn't a secret or anything remotely new. The government spying on it's own people is something that goes back at least to J.Edgar Hoover and his COINTELPRO program.
If he stayed, he would likely have been imprisoned for decades
Well considering he did break laws to do what he did that would make a fair amount of sense.
or even executed for treason.
We haven't put someone to death for Treason in decades and it's highly doubtful it's going to happen with Snowden…..especially since Chelsea Manning is still very much alive despite doing essentially the same thing as Snowden.
He even defended Hillary on the email issue… why do people hate him?
Well there is that fact that he colluded with Julian "I'm not trying to influence this election" Assange for one. And then ran off to a country run by a shithead for two.
Is there any reason the GOP can't just impeach him and put Pence in power? I don't want Pence anywhere near the job, but he'd be a more predictable, easy to control, and less embarrassing president. Establishment Republicans are fools if they think Trump can be controlled.
Is there any reason the GOP can't just impeach him and put Pence in power?
They could in theory impeach him he has to commit an impeachable offense (or not). They would likely do that if Trump doesn't do everything they expect him to do….....of course it would irreparably damage them if they did so but Republicans have seldom ever cared about shooting themselves in the foot.