OK,thanks again.
Greg: Teacher of SUPER " OP " course !
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OK,thanks again.
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[…] Either way, if Kaido is what I think he is, it serves very little importance to his ability.
Sorry if this is stated somewhere and I missed it, but what is it you believe he is? A dragon zoan or are you referring to something else?
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Sorry if this is stated somewhere and I missed it, but what is it you believe he is? A dragon zoan or are you referring to something else?
Greg confirmed a page or two ago that he's banking on Kaido being a Dragon Zoan.
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@Count:
Greg confirmed a page or two ago that he's banking on Kaido being a Dragon Zoan.
Alright so that is what it was referring to? Just checking that it wasn't about something else :)
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Sometimes Greg gets things right (years in advance) that the column can't include because they'd be spoilers. And sometimes they ask him to actually make up wild wrong theories so that he isn't getting everything right ahead of time so that its more fun.
So sometimes when he's being coy publicly its in favor of those things. Let readers guess and speculate themselves and not spoil surprises. Its the little background details best served by the column.
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Hello Greg what do you think happend to old pre judge germa
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Hey Greg thematically do you believe Judge wasn't as harsh as he is now, it seems odd his mother would be quite angelic and marry his father while not showing any hints of non comfort in her situation.
Could her death have lead to judge becoming more power driven, crazy football dad?
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Greg, do you have any cool ideas about what awakened devil fruits are? We have seen 4 zoans in (to my understanding) just their awakened state, with no indication of whether they were like that out of their own will… Didn't really seem to be more than slaves (I guess?) to Sadi. And then, of course, Doflamingo. His power was to turn things into strings, just as one could expect from a string human... Though what would you think would happen if someone like Mr 2 awakened? What about Bonney who changed the age of people; could that be an awakened ability?
Interesting to know what you think about the matter :)
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Many other times. They were used in Dressrosa to emphasize the words "national treasure" by Doflamingo, and recently by Big Mom when she spoke about her dreams, the words "at the same eye level" had the side dots beside them. I don't know japanese (i only know the alphabets hiragana and katakana), i just like to gather info that we weastern readers don't get in traslations by reading Greg posts or other articles of japanese people, so i can't tell you in what other instances they were used. I'm sure Greg can give you a more detalied explanation.
Could someone check if they were also used here in the japanese version when Franky ominously hinted at humans being "created"?
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Could someone check if they were also used here in the japanese version when Franky ominously hinted at humans being "created"?
In raw version, "human being" instead of "created" is emphasized by double quotation marks, not by side dots.
Speaking about emphasizing words, Oda uses a special font in impressive scenes.
Here is my post about font.
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And the latest column is out
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Thats a pretty good write up on Sanji. Someone ask Greg if there was as mixed a reaction to Zeff's lesson to Sanji in Japan as there seemed to be here. Well here on these forums. I imagine that all that moaning and groaning about Sanji and Zeff made its way to Shueisha and they wanted a respected member of the One Piece community to give their thoughts on the subject to at least get people to think about it all from another perspective.
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And the latest column is out
According to the last chapter (845), Opera (the cream guy) seems to share the same dad with at least 3 Brothers (you can see them all in this Panel):
http://mangastream.com/r/one_piece/845/3771/7
One is right behind him (with the Girl on the shoulder), as well as the ones left and right from the Girl-shoulder-guy.
There is also a Long-arm-Person in that army (with the "100" on the Shirt).
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Right, so glad that's out. They're not my complete thoughts on the topic but they're enough.
The response to the arc and what everyone has been complaining about overseas has been extremely positive over here. I've heard no voices of discontent whatsoever.
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Right, so glad that's out. They're not my complete thoughts on the topic but they're enough.
The response to the arc and what everyone has been complaining about overseas has been extremely positive over here. I've heard no voices of discontent whatsoever.
Greg I feel like the previous arc and the current one are being praised a lot more than the other post-timeskip arcs that came before them at least around here, Is the difference the same in japan or have they been more even in their enjoyment of the post timeskips arcs like they liked fishman island - dressarosa a lot more than people here did.
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Just goes to show how everyone outside Japan is like.
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I've been heard! Thanks!
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I've heard no voices of discontent whatsoever.
I think a better question would be: Has the japanese fan community EVER voiced discontent over anything in one piece?
From what I know openly expressing negativity of any kind in public is heavily discouraged in japanese culture.
The closest I've seen is a video on nico nico showing off the 4kids dub and the hilarious comments like "I don't want this one piece."
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Just goes to show how everyone outside Japan is like.
Prone to generalizing and jumping to conclusions?
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I think fans have the right to be discontent.Oda doesn't have to oblige every fan and a fan doesn't need to like everything Oda dishes out.One Piece has so much international appeals nowadays and so many people from different social habits and customs read it that how Japanese people themselves receive it is largely immaterial at this point.
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I enjoyed all the arcs after the timeskip so far, with my favorites being Fishman Island, Zou and Totland. Punk Hazard and Dressrosa were good with my only gripes being that PH's setting wasn't super interesting to me (Smokey saved that arc imo) and I felt that Dressrosa had too much plotlines happening at once and so many characters that needed their spotlight (which kinda makes sense for the SHGF). Other than that, there's not a single arc I dislike after the timeskip, pre-timeskip though, it's only Thriller Bark.
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Dressrosa was like a Arabasta 2.0 and Big Mom arc is going to be a Thriller Bark+Davy Back Fight hybrid version
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Prone to generalizing and jumping to conclusions?
Majority of this forum is better.
Almost everyone posting was complaining about Sanji and Zeff
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I think fans have the right to be discontent.Oda doesn't have to oblige every fan and a fan doesn't need to like everything Oda dishes out.One Piece has so much international appeals nowadays and so many people from different social habits and customs read it that how Japanese people themselves receive it is largely immaterial at this point.
There were arguements about changing the story because someone outside Japan didn't like it, but Japan is content and having no problems.
It's not a matter of customs and habits at all. We have 1 character in the ENTIRE series that refuses to hit women (besides Zeff) but people will claim one piece is sexist and "this is japan" simply because 1 character has a Godly golden rule that mustn't be broken according to his belief. When all it is is a young boy who followed his "fathers" beliefs.
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Count me among the complainers as well. Not because I think or care if it's sexist, but because I think Oda could have done better with explanation of origin, considering Sanji's inhibition has put his crew in danger before. I'm sure at least "some" japanese had a problem with it, considering they aren't some exotic alien race.
Also, count me among those that believe it's not as simple as hearing Zeff say something, and that it's also caused to some extent by his interaction with his mother, who was suspiciously absent for most of the flashback.
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As a child you don't need depth. They'll believe their idol and follow to the extreme.
People were saying there should be more to it and to stop making conclusions on Sanji's feelings because "It was only lightly touched on so far". So the " complainers" should wait as they tell the rest to do so.
It looks like a prelude to a flashback.
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Dressrosa was like a Arabasta 2.0 and Big Mom arc is going to be a Thriller Bark+Davy Back Fight hybrid version
Paradise/New World parallels does not exists.
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Right, so glad that's out. They're not my complete thoughts on the topic but they're enough.
The response to the arc and what everyone has been complaining about overseas has been extremely positive over here. I've heard no voices of discontent whatsoever.
Well, the Japanese also like Dragonball Super, so that's not really an argument.
I'll get over how the Sanji situation was handled at some point, I guess (maybe what you wrote will also sway me a bit more, we'll see).
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There were arguements about changing the story because someone outside Japan didn't like it, but Japan is content and having no problems.
It's not a matter of customs and habits at all. We have 1 character in the ENTIRE series that refuses to hit women (besides Zeff) but people will claim one piece is sexist and "this is japan" simply because 1 character has a Godly golden rule that mustn't be broken according to his belief. When all it is is a young boy who followed his "fathers" beliefs.
As i said Oda doesn't need to think differently for everyones sake,since it is impossible to satisfy everybody to begin with….
Also my point was not necessarily direct at 'sexist' vibe some people get,i was just generalising the varying tastes of people when i spoke about customs and cultures.Personally i am fine with Sanji's motto not to hit women,i am just against his storyline,that's all.Not that i bother about it much since there are so many things to look forward(starting with Reverie). -
Great article.just one minor thing,i don't think Sanji says exactly what the Zeff says to Reiju,as there is one small important distinction according to Stephen.it was the changing of "since the age of dinosaurs" to "from the age of dinosaurs",which depicts their possible slight differences in ideology
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In ideology regarding wording of sentences?
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In ideology regarding wording of sentences?
posted about this earlier,so just gonna repost it
@sggupta:it's just a matter of one day,and we can all move on to more interesting conversation.
speaking of interesting,i was listening to the podcast and stephen brought up something very interesting(someone did mention about it,but only vaguely).basically what Zeff says about hitting women is"it's been this way since the age of dinoausaurs",wheras what sanji says to reiju is"it's something from the age of dinosaurs",and according to him it's something very clear in the japanese.this would imply that sanji himself recognises that his attitude and behaviour are archaic and irrevelant to today's time.he also makes other good points,basically describing his own view on oda's stance towards gender roles and sexism/feminism,you should listen to it if you are interested.
but anyway,the difference in wording plus the specification in SBS that Sanji can't hit women,rather than won't does leave a chance that there will be more emphasis and resolution to sanji's behaviour.
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I think a better question would be: Has the japanese fan community EVER voiced discontent over anything in one piece?
Yup.
Whereas the foreign complaints that stick seem to be, "This doesn't agree with my personal belief.", the complaints raised towards One Piece are more related to how Oda handles the story and/or his characters. Believe it or not, yes, there are One Piece fans that don't enjoy Law-mania. But they're not the ones willing to shell out massive dough for the umpteenth Law figure.
There are also fans who have quit One Piece over disagreements with the story and use/misuse of characters to that end. Oda did this himself as a child and it directly influenced a major part of how he tells his stories.
Greg I feel like the previous arc and the current one are being praised a lot more than the other post-timeskip arcs that came before them at least around here, Is the difference the same in japan or have they been more even in their enjoyment of the post timeskips arcs like they liked fishman island - dressarosa a lot more than people here did.
I've been very vocal over expressing how it seems that OP is slowly going back to its 'classic' (some might say 'golden' but with the MF boom I might disagree) age and long-time Japanese fans have expressed agreement. I certainly don't speak for the whole fanbase but I do see a trend of agreement with your notion.
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Believe it or not, yes, there are One Piece fans that don't enjoy Law-mania.
Oh, I believe it. I've seen a lot of people on multiple english forums that hate the guy's guts and hope he dies. I just didn't think he'd draw a notable amount of hate over there in japan, too.
There are also fans who have quit One Piece over disagreements with the story and use/misuse of characters to that end.
Was there anything in particular that caused any "exoduses"?
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Was there anything in particular that caused any "exoduses"?
I believe Ace dying might have been one of those.
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I believe Ace dying might have been one of those.
SO DOES THAT MEANS LAW IS TOO SEXY TO KILL, BETTER PLAY YOUR CARDS RIGHT ODA IF YOU DONT WANT ANYMORE FANDOM EXODUSES…
Seriously though While I really liked Ace as a background character and he's top 10 ( as of the 5th poll taken sometime in dressrosa ) how many specific fans could there be of him, I mean my sister said ace was her definite favorite character didnt know about him dying and was really saddened but she iked the rest of it so much she never considered stop watching it, she still wanted to move along in the story. -
About a year and a half ago, I spoke directly to someone who stopped reading OP because of Ace's death.
The individual was distraught by that event. While they weren't absorbed into the story too far to be…'different'...the person just really enjoyed the character and wanted him to be a part of the larger story.
Oda's similar reaction to Hokuto no Ken became public a few months ago but at the time I related this anecdote to the person and explained that Oda felt the same way they did. So killing a character is not a light choice for him. If it's unavoidable because the natural flow of the story is heading in that direction and it's what needs to happen for his characters, he won't stand in the way of natural events.
The individual was so relieved to hear this they actually started tearing up and thanked me for telling them the story. They went back to reading and the individual remains in contact with me over Twitter.
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Oda stopped reading HnK because of a character's death?
Never heard that story. Care to share?http://forums.arlongpark.net/showthread.php?t=42229&page=29&p=3677384&viewfull=1#post3677384
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Much obliged.
Rei's death was a sad moment but Oda missed out on some great moments if he never picked up HnK after that. :p
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Whereas the foreign complaints that stick seem to be, "This doesn't agree with my personal belief.", the complaints raised towards One Piece are more related to how Oda handles the story and/or his characters. Believe it or not, yes, there are One Piece fans that don't enjoy Law-mania. But they're not the ones willing to shell out massive dough for the umpteenth Law figure.
There are also fans who have quit One Piece over disagreements with the story and use/misuse of characters to that end. Oda did this himself as a child and it directly influenced a major part of how he tells his stories.
I think there is this type of complaints here too. Myself and quite a few others from what I have read don't really like that the scenario of a crew member which is force to leave against his will and how it is handle happens again. But otherwise I must admit the chapters are really well written
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I think there is this type of complaints here too. Myself and quite a few others from what I have read don't really like that the scenario of a crew member which is force to leave against his will and how it is handle happens again. But otherwise I must admit the chapters are really well written
Sure, that's why I was careful to write 'the foreign complaints that stick'. By that I meant complaints that hover over the series like a cloud and never vanish. Some people will regard it as a reason to dislike a character, Oda's choices or even quit reading. Whereas not liking how the general flow of the story is something that sticks with the series over here.
ie.
Some foreign readers: Yeah, Skypiea was kind of slow.
Some Japanese readers: Skypiea was slow and I lost interest in the series and I stopped reading.
Some foreign readers: Ace is dead? That sucks… Poor Luffy.
Some Japanese readers: Ace is dead? That sucks. Poor Luffy. I'm not reading this series anymore.
Some foreign readers: Wow, there certainly are a lot of characters.
Some Japanese readers: There are too many characters and Oda doesn't use them like he used to, I'm not reading this anymore.
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I'd guess that is part of the options and level of engagement of the different fandom's.
Buying the magazine week in week out, vs simply going to a site vs the yearly subscription of e-WSJ.
It's easier to ignore the magazine, than to ignore a website that you can go 10-20 min or the yearly subscription that you played 3+ months ago. So its easier and more beliable to "not read this anymore".
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I wonder, i Jaya Bellamy mentioned the emerald City/town. Does one of you think we get to see this City/town during this Story? Or was this sth just brought up by german translations?
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I wonder, i Jaya Bellamy mentioned the emerald City/town. Does one of you think we get to see this City/town during this Story? Or was this sth just brought up by german translations?
It would seemingly fit more with Kaido saga, considering his first henchmen shown look not a lot unlike a scarecrow, a lion and a tin man. Then there's Hawkins who can also turn into a scarecrow and Kid who relies heavily on metal to fight. Too bad Apoo can't fit into that mold by any stretch of imagination (that I'm aware of).
There's probably not a shortage of crazy theories on Orojackson.
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As someone who loves the adventure aspect of OP and places Skypiea in my top three arcs, I'm not really sure why I don't feel the same as most people for these two latest arcs.
Punk Hazard and Fishman Island really filled the adventure bubble for me, especially Punk Hazard, and I just feel like those two and Dressrosa are better in every aspect than Zou and Whole Cake which have really been killing my OP vibe.
@Greg:Sure, that's why I was careful to write 'the foreign complaints that stick'. By that I meant complaints that hover over the series like a cloud and never vanish. Some people will regard it as a reason to dislike a character, Oda's choices or even quit reading. Whereas not liking how the general flow of the story is something that sticks with the series over here.
ie.
Some foreign readers: Yeah, Skypiea was kind of slow.
Some Japanese readers: Skypiea was slow and I lost interest in the series and I stopped reading.
Some foreign readers: Ace is dead? That sucks… Poor Luffy.
Some Japanese readers: Ace is dead? That sucks. Poor Luffy. I'm not reading this series anymore.
Some foreign readers: Wow, there certainly are a lot of characters.
Some Japanese readers: There are too many characters and Oda doesn't use them like he used to, I'm not reading this anymore.
Bellamy was one of my favorite villains pre-timeskip, and post timeskip he's jumped into my top three favorite characters overall and I consider him to be one of the best Oda's written.
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As someone who loves the adventure aspect of OP and places Skypiea in my top three arcs, I'm not really sure why I don't feel the same as most people for these two latest arcs.
Punk Hazard and Fishman Island really filled the adventure bubble for me, especially Punk Hazard, and I just feel like those two and Dressrosa are better in every aspect than Zou and Whole Cake which have really been killing my OP vibe.Bellamy was one of my favorite villains pre-timeskip, and post timeskip he's jumped into my top three favorite characters overall and I consider him to be one of the best Oda's written.
I'm just curious as to whether the Japanese perspective on him was ever any different than the ones shared by 99.9% of people on English speaking boards?I'm curious as well regarding that. Though i still wouldn't call him one of my favourite character, we're both some of the very few who appreciated Bellamy's character development after time-skip and his role and presence at Dressrosa. Before he was a coward who always secretely wished to be part of the Donquixote main officiers, but never had the guts to try, but after he visited Skypiea he changed completely for the better to the point that Oda aknowledge him as a true pirate (chapter 769: The pirate Bellamy). I don't know how japanese readers reacted to him but the overwhelming hate and criticism i read on weastern forums was just too exagerated and ridiculous in my opinion.
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You can find redeeming qualities in almost everyone. I got around from hating Bellamy (first time I saw him get knocked out was in anime, and it was such a cathartic experience) to actually liking him and feeling sorry for him over the course of PH. So kudos to Oda for character growth.
Idk, him deciding to keep following Dofla has a lot more sense to me than Sanji's thing. It's a shame Oda didn't emphasize on Dofla's charisma a little bit more. Pretty hard to fit in everything to 20 pages a week, though. Too bad Toei doesn't get what kind of things anime should expand on. Sure, just make Fujitora walk towards Zoro for a couple of minutes. Aw dammit, here I go again…
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You can count me in as another Bellamy fan. I personally loved how he was portrayed as absolute scum in terms of both a plot and thematic role in Jaya, and will never for get him getting OHKO's. Plus, his Spring Spring fruit just looks really cool lol. And seeing him get character development in Dressrosa towards actually respecting Luffy was really cool. Although I would have preferred if he contributed more to the plot than just getting beaten up, manipulated, and constantly crying/screaming, but oh well. I can kind of get why his pride made him want to still fight and fall to Luffy, Oda seems to really be into characters following loyalty to the end regardless of their captain's morals if you compare Bellamy to Gin. Not really that into such logic, but I get it.
Although something always bugged me about how Doflamingo treated Bellamy. And it's not that that Doflamingo's cruelty was distasteful or didn't make sense. I always loved to look at Bellamy's admiration of Doflamingo as a funhouse mirror version of Luffy idolizing Shanks, the twist being that Doflamingo just uses his biggest fan as a tool. Seeing how Bellamy got axed off back in Jaya when he explained how his reasoning was because he was afraid that the Straw Hats would catch up to him one day actually got a bit out of sympathy for him out of me.
It's just that… Why did he only see Bellamy as a tool to exploit that he never expected to have the merits necessary to join his crew while overconfident shmucks like Buffalo and Jora got in? I can definitely understand the executive officers due to molding Doffy's ideology. I can kind of get Monet for how willing she was to sacrifice herself, and she was most likely a double-deal with her sister Sugar who had a VERY useful Devil Fruit similar to how Doflamingo wanted the Ope Ope no Mi. And I can understand Baby 5 due to having a tragic backstory and psychosis, which is likely similar to how he was entranced by Law's warped self-destructive nature as a child resembling a young Doffy and how he was shunned for the amber-lead syndrome.
But after all of those characters, why were the rest allowed to join the family? I really like Señor Pink, but he got in before he suffered Russian and Gimlet's passing, and has a ability of swimming through the ground and wrestles people. Dellinger is valuable as being half-fighting fish, but his personality is complete garbage. Buffalo's a hopelessly clumsy gambling addict, Jora's just a snobby art critic, and Lao G's a bit strong I guess. But almost none of them are really that special, and Bellamy is easily as loyal to Doffy as they are. And the "Bellamy was too weak" argument doesn't work when Doflamingo was willing to take in and train kids. I always interpreted the reason Doflamingo never cared to truly acknowledge Bellamy was because he decided to run away from a rich privileged upbringing to join his gang, whereas Doflamingo deeply appreciates abusive aristocracy and hated how his father forced him to live a peasant life. So he probably looks at Bellamy as a complete poser who took his life for granted and doesn't understand true suffering like him and several of the other Doffy Pirates. But that still doesn't really explain why someone like Buffalo is more appreciated as family than Bellamy. And the instances of Lao G claiming that Baby 5 was just a tool and Law trying to convince Trebol that he's just one of Doffy's puppets (although that could have just been mind games) indicate that, to the contrary, Doflamingo arguably doesn't truly value his family. Maybe they all have sad backstories, but without knowing if they're present or not, this all feels a bit inconsistent and making Doflamingo a jerk on a whim than having an philosophy that would suit his personality based on his ego and speeches of change.
So... Yeah. Just my two cents. Still a big fan of his character though.
It would seemingly fit more with Kaido saga, considering his first henchmen shown look not a lot unlike a scarecrow, a lion and a tin man. Then there's Hawkins who can also turn into a scarecrow and Kid who relies heavily on metal to fight. Too bad Apoo can't fit into that mold by any stretch of imagination (that I'm aware of).
There's probably not a shortage of crazy theories on Orojackson.
Apoo's epithet is called "The Sea Roar". And submitting to Kaido as well arguably makes him the cowardly lion. Although I think that the Oz comparisons are a stretch and would make more sense in Totland, but you can never predict where Oda will take the story.