Ludicrous as it is, being an aethist is still toxic to the average voter in the United States.
But so was being a socialist.
Ludicrous as it is, being an aethist is still toxic to the average voter in the United States.
But so was being a socialist.
Tim Kaine is a really solid, though boring, choice; this IS NOT a bad thing. At least we get to see Kaine CRUSH Pence if they go head-to-head against one another. Kaine is really well respected, intelligent, and a great politician and human being.
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People wanted Warren, but, she's much better in the Senate, for various reasons.
Kaine, eh? Don't know much about him, but he's from my state, so…pretty cool I guess.
Been looking into Kaine, guy's surprisingly cool. The African-American community of Virginia loves him, he cracked down on illegal guns, started an initiative to archive as many Freedman's Bureau documents in Virginia as possible, and speaks Spanish. His Senate spot is almost certainly going to get filled in with another Democrat (because the governor of Virginia is also a cool guy). The real problem with putting Warren on the campaign trail is the unfortunate fact that the Kennedy Throne she protects would go to a Republican if it were vacant right now.
And while VP choices very very very rarely actually affect voting patterns, it's easy to take this as another sign that Virginia might actually flip Blue this year.
Kaine, eh? Don't know much about him, but he's from my state, so…pretty cool I guess.
Copypasta from somewhere else:
Positives
-Experience governing a fairly large state that's also a swing state (Virginia)
-In the Senate, is a member of the Committees on Armed Services, Foreign relations and the Budget
-Speaks Spanish fluently and as a lawyer represented Hispanics and African Americans in fair housing cases. Also did missionary work in Honduras for 9 months during college.
-Relatively good record on the environment
-History of fighting for funding for education and infrastructure
Negatives (at least for a fair number of Dems)
-Fairly cozy with the banking sector
-Is pro-choice, but supports abstinence education to an extent (although he cut off funding for abstinence-only education as governor), and parental notification for minors seeking an abortion
-Supports TPP
Kaine, eh? Don't know much about him, but he's from my state, so…pretty cool I guess.
Dude just basically won Hilary Virginia, Ohio, and PA. The NRA HATE HIM, and he's pretty progressive in terms of his stances and stuff (he can also speak fluent Spanish, and his church is a primary black baptist one, in a poorer part of Richmond). Minorities love him here, in Virginia, and I'm sure in the other states I mentioned as well (and probably some I didn't mention). His only issue is, well…he might be considered a little too buddy-buddy with banks (not imho), and he has some weird controversy surrounding him when it comes to animal rights, but I think that's according to primary conservative polling sources.
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Obama supports TPP, and so does Hilary... So... If you like Obama and Hilary, Kaine's TPP stance shouldn't bother you, because it's the same.
Kaine gonna decimate Trump and Pence. lol
Incidentally, if Hillary takes Virginia, then The Donald has to take all of the other swing states to have a chance to win.
But so was being a socialist.
Only to poorly uneducated morons who equate socialism to communism while being blissfully unaware of just how socialist this country and some of it's policies are…..i.e. most of Fox News's viewer demographic.
@Cyan:
Incidentally, if Hillary takes Virginia, then The Donald has to take all of the other swing states to have a chance to win.
Yeah… Though, Kaine practically wins Hilary not only Virginia, but, PA AND Ohio as well. He's respected and liked there as well (heavily respected by all minorities across the country, tbh). Trump really doesn't stand much of a chance, unless some disastrous event happens between now and election day (which is doubtful lol).
Kaine was definitely the sensible choice. Virginia's basically a lock at this point given how popular he is there.
@Cyan:
Catholics, Jews, Orthodox, Poles, Russians, Balkan peoples, Greeks, Turks, Italians, Irish, the French, Finns, Roma, Bulgarians, and Albanians need not apply for "European-American"
Hard to say about the Irish, this sort of Southern style white nationalist (to fit their own demographics because of course) always seem to obsess on "ANGLO-CELTIC HERITAGE" specifically. All that Scottish and Scots-Irish heritage being the reason. Technically that should extend to Irish Irish, but hard to say, hard to say.
@Monkey:
Hard to say about the Irish, this sort of Southern style white nationalist (to fit their own demographics because of course) always seem to obsess on "ANGLO-CELTIC HERITAGE" specifically. All that Scottish and Scots-Irish heritage being the reason. Technically that should extend to Irish Irish, but hard to say, hard to say.
But yeah, when you think KKK, you normally think WASP.
I would be genuinely interested to see a line of hillbillies charging at a bunch of South Boston street toughs, and what the result would be.
@Monkey:
I would be genuinely interested to see a line of hillbillies charging at a bunch of South Boston street toughs, and what the result would be.
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAA!!!!! So would I.
@Monkey:
I would be genuinely interested to see a line of hillbillies charging at a bunch of South Boston street toughs, and what the result would be.
a red-haired youth wearing a golfer's hat, tight jeans, and Pogues shirt inspects the line of troops, I'm Shipping Up to Boston plays in the distance
Boomhauer from King of the Hill sits atop his mighty steed and stares at his army, the Monday Night Football version of All My Rowdy Friends Are Coming Over Tonight plays in the distance
can these two sides put aside their differences and bond over their mutual love of banjos?
Boomhauer lifts his sword
the answer is no
Ugh I never knew how much I needed Boomhauer to give a rousing pre-battle speech.
@The:
Obama supports TPP, and so does Hilary… So... If you like Obama and Hilary, Kaine's TPP stance shouldn't bother you, because it's the same.
Actually, Hillary supported the TPP and then didn't (currently doesn't) support the TPP. So it'd be more accurate to say, 'If you agree with Obama's stance on the TPP then Kaine's stance shouldn't bother you, because it's the same.' With Hillary though the TPP deal puts her at odds with her VP choice on that particular issue. Whether that changes or not remains to be seen.
Actually, Hillary supported the TPP and then didn't (currently doesn't) support the TPP. So it'd be more accurate to say, 'If you agree with Obama's stance on the TPP then Kaine's stance shouldn't bother you, because it's the same.' With Hillary though the TPP deal puts her at odds with her VP choice on that particular issue. Whether that changes or not remains to be seen.
You down with TPP :ninja:?
You know me.
I had to read up on Kaine as well. On the surface I like the cut of his jib. Seems like a decent politician. Probably help offset Hillary's less personable personality traits.
Ugh I never knew how much I needed Boomhauer to give a rousing pre-battle speech.
And I tell you what man, them dang ol' guys back in England.Man, gonna be dang ol' mad they weren't round here man.Gonna feel all unmanly, when they hear us talking man.Any of us dang ol guys who fought on dang ol' St Crispins day man.
Wait. Bernie Sanders is still in the race?
@Mr.:
Wait. Bernie Sanders is still in the race?
Basically, he endorsed Hillary and promised not to raise a stink at the convention in return for them taking on more of his platforms and letting him have a place to speak at the convention. He's realized essentially that he's lost and is now focusing on pushing Hillary and the rest of the party more to the left.
However.
This new Email leak thing that happened might throw a wrench in that. The Bernie supporters who already hold an unfavorable view of Hillary/The Democrats/ "The System" are starting to get riled up again because in a couple of DNC emails it looks like they discussed strategies to use to take down Bernie… you know, the exact kind of strategies I'm sure Bernie's camp internally discussed to try to take down Hillary with.
But, because this happened, there's some concern Bernie's camp might take offense to it and withdraw his support... go back to challenging the DNC at the convention or before it.
wait, Trump wanted Kaisch to be VP even after he made this ad???
wait, Trump wanted Kaisch to be VP even after he made this ad???
I heard he was trying to avoid Pence right up to the end
Mike Pence perpetually looks like a guy who is getting the chair tomorrow morning.
So them DNC leaks.Politics gonna politic.
I heard he was trying to avoid Pence right up to the end
Pence was almost certainly forced onto him by Manafort.
Pence was almost certainly forced onto him by Manafort.
I seriously wonder what The Donald's actual pick was. Christie, so he could get McDonald's whenever he needed? Gingrich, because the theme of the election is apparently digging up terrible shit from the 90s to harass Hillary with? A mirror?
He would've picked Christie had he not turned himself into the second coming of Rick Perry.
@Cyan:
Gingrich, because the theme of the election is apparently digging up terrible shit from the 90s to harass Hillary with? A mirror?
My guess is Newt since that would be the "manly" going-against-the-common-wisdom pick so both of those really. McChristie's apparently called and begged Trump to change his mind after the Pence pick was leaked.
Basically, he endorsed Hillary and promised not to raise a stink at the convention in return for them taking on more of his platforms and letting him have a place to speak at the convention. He's realized essentially that he's lost and is now focusing on pushing Hillary and the rest of the party more to the left.However.This new Email leak thing that happened might throw a wrench in that. The Bernie supporters who already hold an unfavorable view of Hillary/The Democrats/ "The System" are starting to get riled up again because in a couple of DNC emails it looks like they discussed strategies to use to take down Bernie… you know, the exact kind of strategies I'm sure Bernie's camp internally discussed to try to take down Hillary with.But, because this happened, there's some concern Bernie's camp might take offense to it and withdraw his support... go back to challenging the DNC at the convention or before it.
Huge difference between bernie's campaign attacking or having discussions about it and the DNC doing so. You're showing bias, which is ironic.
wait, Trump wanted Kaisch to be VP even after he made this ad???
Interesting ad. I remember the original version and one more than one occasion on hearing Trump speak I thought of that and how it could apply to Trump.
Debbie Schultz, the chairwoman for the DNC, steps down after email leak.
lol Democrats and e-mails
This new Email leak thing that happened might throw a wrench in that. The Bernie supporters who already hold an unfavorable view of Hillary/The Democrats/ "The System" are starting to get riled up again because in a couple of DNC emails it looks like they discussed strategies to use to take down Bernie… you know, the exact kind of strategies I'm sure Bernie's camp internally discussed to try to take down Hillary with.
You don't see the difference between those two things? This is the difference between a candidate smearing another candidate and the federal election commission putting up signs at every voting booth mocking him. The DNC is supposed to be impartial, they clearly were not, and Hillary supporters have been mocking my concerns for months with "it's not a conspiracy!" I'll still vote for Hillary, but I had to get that off my chest.
Debbie Schultz, the chairwoman for the DNC, steps down after email leak.
It wasn't simply case of wanting Hillary to win though, Bernie hasn't exactly endeared himself
to Democratic Party as a whole which was why they considered throwing him under the bus there's also the fact he caucused with the democrats only because he didn't want to take the risk of running as a third party candidate.
You don't see the difference between those two things? This is the difference between a candidate smearing another candidate and the federal election commission putting up signs at every voting booth mocking him.
Unless I missed something in this leak did the DNC even do latter?
Since I don't really remember Bernie's supporters citing that after what supposedly happened
in Nevada? And New York.
Guys, especially after these DNC leaks, I'm finding it reeeeeaaaaaalll hard to vote for Hillary this year. Like shit man, this is against my moral code to vote for such shadiness and dishonesty. Can someone give me a legit reason to vote for really other than "hurr durr you're basically voting for Trump?" As of now I won't write in Bernie but I'm either not voting or going Independent/Libertarian because Trump and Hillary make me sick to my stomach.
The legit reason is that she seems willing to support policies that Bernie wanted. Also… she's been in power for a long time; That makes her the devil we know, which is an advantage we as voters haven't had for a while.
Of COURSE they talked about ways to beat him. He's not a democrat and has been vocally against the party for 30 years, he just ran on the ticket because he would have been ignored if he'd just run indie, and no one would even know who he is. The exact same candidate with the exact same ideas and platform, running as liberal party or green party would have gotten zero attention. So of course the DNC talked about how to beat him while he was playing in their yard, he wasn't one of their own.
How much was talk, and how much was action, and how much was simply no one in the media taking him seriously, are all different matters. It's one thing to talk about "Maybe we should make a big deal about him being a jew" in an internal memo… (because hey, that affects votes, of course you talk about that) and another to actually actively push the point in an ongoing way. Did he get the amount of fair coverage he deserved? Obviously not, while Trump has gotten way too much free press, and Clinton is a super well known name. Was he specifically suppressed? Maybe. But not in any way that would be overall significant.
The sheer idea that it was all rigged and bought for Hillary from the outset is insane. We just went over this like, a week ago. Sanders lost by FOUR MILLION VOTES, Just among the people that liked him! Compare any national election in our history, that's one of the historically biggest losses there is... and that's with only one party voting for him! You can't rig a loss that huge. A few hundred votes, a caucus, a district here or there maybe... but not four million votes nationwide worth. Actual national elections with democrats AND republicans AND independents and two or three times the turnout are closer than 4 million votes apart.
Sanders did incredibly well for someone on the outside, that was a complete unknown. Let's not take away from the millions of votes he did get, how much attention he drew, how far he pulled Clinton's own campaign to the left. He did unbelievably well... far far better than a guy that couldn't ever win had any right to. (He was not the second coming of Obama, no matter how much people wanted him to be. Look at the actual turnouts, Obama was much closer to Hillary the entire time in 2008.)
Embrace and celebrate the AMAZING thing he did, don't just dismiss it with "it was rigged from the start. The DNC is corrupt" That's just downgrading his accomplishment and what he actually did do.
If only more states embraced the shitshows known as caucuses.
It wasn't simply case of wanting Hillary to win though, Bernie hasn't exactly endeared himself to Democratic Party as a whole which was why they considered throwing him under the bus there's also the fact he caucused with the democrats only because he didn't want to take the risk of running as a third party candidate.
If that's the reason you want to go with for why the DNC wasn't as impartial as they should've been that's fine, but the fact is they did want Hillary to win and they wanted to undermine Bernie's campaign. @Green-Hair:
Guys, especially after these DNC leaks, I'm finding it reeeeeaaaaaalll hard to vote for Hillary this year. Like shit man, this is against my moral code to vote for such shadiness and dishonesty. Can someone give me a legit reason to vote for really other than "hurr durr you're basically voting for Trump?" As of now I won't write in Bernie but I'm either not voting or going Independent/Libertarian because Trump and Hillary make me sick to my stomach.
Well, let's give Hillary some agency here. A lot of her ideas already gelled with Bernie Sander's ideas before the campaign even started. Yes, Bernie moved her to the left on some policies but it wasn't Bernie who made Hillary a fighter for progressive ideas. She was already there. Hillary is a great politician and would get things done in the White House. While you should have some legitimate concerns and reservations over Hillary Clinton you should know she isn't as 'shady' or 'dishonest' as many people make her out to be, and I am no big Hillary defender while saying that. Besides, this whole DNC thing really isn't on her. It's on the DNC.
leaks show DNC started conspiring against Bernie in May when Hillary was ahead by 3 million votes
Every headline: BERNIE VINDICATED; DNC RIGGED THE VOTE FROM THE START
@White:
More reasons why he needs to lose this election. I wonder how he would feel if someone said that he has to have extreme vetting to become president, just to make sure he's not a "terrorist taking over the country." Though I can already see what the outcome of that would be. Probably try to "sue" said person, etc.
I just want Trump to release his tax returns. I'm reeeeeeeeeeeeally curious about that.
It's never been an official law that the potential president has to do so, its just always been a bipartisan open agreement to do so.
If that's the reason you want to go with for why the DNC wasn't as impartial as they should've been that's fine, but the fact is they did want Hillary to win and they wanted to undermine Bernie's campaign.
If Biden had jumped in like almost everybody wanted and figured he would, would the DNC gone out it's way to undermine his campaign all for the sake of catapulting Hillary to the White House?
Point is why you can make the argument that the DNC considered cutting Bernie off at the legs
it less for the idea of wanting Hillary to win the nomination and more so for the reasons Robbie
listed contempt begets contempt.