So it seems Sanji is royalty. Can't say I honestly expected that. This arc is very interesting so far.
Chapter 812: Capone "Gang" Bege
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btw i read somewhere else that the translation to winsmoke might actually be bismarck which would mean that sanji would be the son of a very powerful family. can somebody who knows japanese tell us if this is possible?
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Man, and people say Kid is brutal. Capone could really give Kid a run for his money on being merciless.
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btw i read somewhere else that the translation to winsmoke might actually be bismarck which would mean that sanji would be the son of a very powerful family. can somebody who knows japanese tell us if this is possible?
it is not bismark but vinsmoke or a similar romanization
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Nice chapter, but I have 2 questions:
Why didn't the Minks react to Pekom's shooting?
And why did Capone's threat of "firing bullets into the air" scared Ceasar so much? He had cover at high ground, no one was near him. -
Nice chapter, but I have 2 questions:
Why didn't the Minks react to Pekom's shooting?
And why did Capone's threat of "firing bullets into the air" scared Ceasar so much? He had cover at high ground, no one was near him.Considering how small the guns are inside Capone, they're probably not as loud when used from there.
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Noticed 2 things this chapter.
1. Big moms "daughter" may be a concept like Whitebeard used, aka not her biological daughter. However Lola exists, so maybe not?
2. Capone backstabbing Pekoms is a reference to his gangster theme, betrayal being a theme of stereotypical gangster movies.
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Nice chapter, but I have 2 questions:
Why didn't the Minks react to Pekom's shooting?
And why did Capone's threat of "firing bullets into the air" scared Ceasar so much? He had cover at high ground, no one was near him.Answer number 1: It's just like King Cannon said. The gunshot and its sound effect happened inside Capone's body, and Capone's body minimizes everything inside him. Basically, Capone's body acted like a suppressor to those guns. It's likely for this reason that the sound wasn't heard.
Answer number 2: It's because Capone said that the bullets are made of Sea Stone, the material that weakens devil fruit users. -
Noticed 2 things this chapter.
1. Big moms "daughter" may be a concept like Whitebeard used, aka not her biological daughter. However Lola exists, so maybe not?
Yeah, most likely Big Mom is a female Whitebeard in this regard. I mean, her epithet is Big Mom after all.
We saw Pekoms, Tamago, Bobbins and even Capone now calling her "mama", so the chances are all her followers see her as their mother and she probably sees them as her kids. It makes more sense than she getting pregnant at least 35 times (although much less interesting). -
Remember that it's the "Charlotte Family". It's possible they aren't all her biological children. There could be cousins and sisters in the mix.
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btw i read somewhere else that the translation to winsmoke might actually be bismarck which would mean that sanji would be the son of a very powerful family. can somebody who knows japanese tell us if this is possible?
Sanji is probably a member of a powerful family regardless of the family being inspired by Bismarck or not, otherwise it wouldn't be a big deal would it? Anyhow, Bismarck is ビスマルク (Bisumaruku) not exactly the way Vinsmoke or Winsmoke would be written in Japanese. ビスマルク bisumaruku surname (p) Bismarck/Otto/Eduard/Leopold/von
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I think that Sanji's lastname was one of his big secrets . I can't decide which fan theory that I like better concerning it. I do like the idea that Bonney and Lola as one of Big Mom's daughters . This whole wedding sounds like some kind of Dumb prediction to me . I do think that this wedding will play in the big role of Jinbe joining the Strawhats crew as well as starting the Big Mom vs Straw Hats arc. I have wonder what Pudding will look like . She could beautiful or she could ugly. I'm not surprise at Capone's actions to be honest . I seriously don't think Pekom is dead .
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I think Sanji just wants to learn about his parents/siblings etc
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Alright that's pretty funny
Haha, I was grinning & slightly laughing when I was making it
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@.access:
New generation = trying to reach their full potential. Old generation = already got there.
That's not something exclusive to OP, it goes for every manga. Look at Naruto, for example: while every kid grew a lot during the time-skip, their teachers remained the same. Usually a change in the character design comes along to signify the growth - that's why the SH and supernova got new designs, but the Shichibukai, the Admiral, and other characters look exactly the same with some exceptions, like Kuzan, who got a change in their status so the design also changes accordingly.
You can be sure no Shichibukai (except Law) got stronger, no Yonkou (except Teach), no Admiral, etc., but every single supernova did just like the SH.
I would argue that rule only applies to the main character or the characters that are set up to the main antagonists for the finale battle. You bring up Naruto but while every kid did grow, Naruto out classed all of them minus sasuke. SHs while in the arc might not outclass a supernova, has a strong likelihood to become much stronger and fairly soon. But I digress, this isn't a argument about strength exactly, it's an argument about the imho sloppiness of the writing. I get we're setting up the arc to bring sanji in the spotlight (which OP sorely needed), but to do it in this way seem plot devicey. The sloppiness I'm referring to is the fact that nami, chopper, sanji and brook didn't put up a fight. And people bring up they might not stand a chance, and hence why I bring strength level up.
Doula was specifically told to not have improved in those years, unlike the Worst Generation.
Is this true. I don't remember reading it, can you point me to the chapter, legit serious and not trying to be a dick.
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I'm also getting a bit more of a mafia/crime family vibe through this. If we were talking legitimate royalty why would a pirate working under Big Mom be tasked to send out the invitation? I am more or less expecting "Vinsmoke Sr" to fit the part.
However, this is somewhat at odds with the wanted poster, which suggests that Vinsmoke is a big wheel in relation with the WG. So big in fact that even Sanji being a member the notorious Straw Hat crew can be waived. Yet if this is "official WG business", why on Earth would he be married off the the family of a notorious pirate crew like Big Mom? I await to see who Vinsmoke is–a typical royal, a Michael Corleone type character able to manipulate from a distance, or something else.
In case people haven't realized it yet, it's 35th daughter, not third daughter. MS got it wrong the first time.
Not to mention they called a guy "Veto" while I'm 99% sure it's suppose to be "Vito"
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There's no sloppiness. The Minks just had a 5 day battle and were in recovery. There's no way to fight back on Zou without there being potential for more Mink injuries.
Sanji almost definitely wasn't going to risk anything with Nami and Chopper having guns pointed at their head. Bege's crewmembers are not like Helmeppo, because they'll actually shoot.
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Loved that a Supernova DF was named. A pretty cool chapter, though that twist at the end was very unexpected in a "wtf" way.
Right now I'm hoping that Pudding is actually really hot and kind of resembles Sanji's fantasy of Big Mom.
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And why did Capone's threat of "firing bullets into the air" scared Ceasar so much? He had cover at high ground, no one was near him.
He threated to shoot him with "seastone bullets", which would have killed him. However, it turned out to be just a bluff to get Caesar out into the open. Which is just as well because seastone bullets shouldn't really exist.
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Is this true. I don't remember reading it, can you point me to the chapter, legit serious and not trying to be a dick.
At the end of Chapter 690. Law states that the Worst Generation has been making moves while people like Doflamingo have been sitting around and keeping the peace.
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@Galaxy:
Sanji almost definitely wasn't going to risk anything with Nami and Chopper having guns pointed at their head. Bege's crewmembers are not like Helmeppo, because they'll actually shoot.
That and Sanji isn't bulletproof himself.
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@Mr.:
That and Sanji isn't bulletproof himself.
Well, I'm sure if there had been no Minks or hostages, Sanji would have been able to take the goons out. The risk wasn't really on him here.
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sanji wasn't going to fight because he knew the big mom pirates were likely waiting outside of zou. defeating capone would have led to nothing good and that is why he decided to negotiate from the start.
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@Galaxy:
At the end of Chapter 690. Law states that the Worst Generation has been making moves while people like Doflamingo have been sitting around and keeping the peace.
Oh right, but that doesn't mean no growth in strength though, at least from my reading of it. I think that's a big jump in conclusion from well you're not doing anything to change the world, to well your strength level didn't increase. In the context of that conversation, I think it's a political and changes to the workings of the world.
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Couldn't big Mom also have a pull in the this ? Maybe she has someone in the Government doing changes, One Piece is pretty unpredictable.
Don't ever say OP is unpredictable. I said that once and had everyone harassing me about how I clearly wasn't paying attention to the manga then bc Oda follows patterns to a t
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Is this true. I don't remember reading it, can you point me to the chapter, legit serious and not trying to be a dick.
The end pages of 690 is all about Law giving a speech about the new generation coming and messing with the top guys, who have been stuck in a status quo. There's a reason Doula thought Vergo could take down Law with no problem, but was ultimately wrong. He underestimated Law's growth.
While Luffy and the rest of the Worst Generation were out there causing waves and getting stronger, people like Doula were just chilling in their fancy pools.
It's just inevitable. Luffy will catch up with Shanks. Zoro will catch up to Mihawk. Law himself is very close to Doula Mongo, and he's 15 years younger too. This is possible because those people have already peaked.
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@Mr.:
He threated to shoot him with "seastone bullets", which would have killed him. However, it turned out to be just a bluff to get Caesar out into the open. Which is just as well because seastone bullets shouldn't really exist.
Well they probably do exist but it's probably reeally expensive and only the marines really have them
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The end pages of 690 is all about Law giving a speech about the new generation coming and messing with the top guys, who have been stuck in a status quo. There's a reason Doula thought Vergo could take down Law with no problem, but was ultimately wrong. He underestimated Law's growth.
While Luffy and the rest of the Worst Generation were out there causing waves and getting stronger, people like Doula were just chilling in their fancy pools.
It's just inevitable. Luffy will catch up with Shanks. Zoro will catch up to Mihawk. Law himself is very close to Doula Mongo, and he's 15 years younger too. This is possible because those people have already peaked.
Doffy essentially stayed in shape waiting for the big war, while law and luffy made serious gains essentially
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Don't ever say OP is unpredictable. I said that once and had everyone harassing me about how I clearly wasn't paying attention to the manga then bc Oda follows patterns to a t
Well, Zou hasn't exactly been easy to predict. Not saying it was completely unpredictable, but it certainly has been bucking formula.
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@Long:
Well they probably do exist but it's probably reeally expensive and only the marines really have them
Either way, it's good to see such and OP weapon be so scarce.
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Don't ever say OP is unpredictable. I said that once and had everyone harassing me about how I clearly wasn't paying attention to the manga then bc Oda follows patterns to a t
There's a huge difference between "completely unpredictable" and there being twists and turns in a fictional work.
Most people use unpredictable in a context of "anything could happen, literally anything", which includes random new crewmembers joining the crew with no buildup, people beginning to die randomly, crazy things happening with almost no buildup whatsoever, etc; basically anything that doesn't fit the way Oda has been writing for the past 18 years. It's okay to call things unpredictable in the fashion of "Wow, the whole wedding subplot came out of nowhere." or "Bege decided to shoot Pekoms?!" Those are the kinds of things that are meant to be "unpredictable" in a sense in a fictional work.
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The chapter was nice, finally some good twist. I did not even see the wedding coming; I told you before that I'm not always right when it comes to predicating the story, however I was right about Sanji not being an alien prince.
And because of how "Game of Thrones" One Piece is getting, I half expect characters from GOT to appear.
Sarcasm aside, I can't help to notice that the situation with Sanji reminds me of Han Solo from Empire Strikes Back
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All the people who are saying, "Sanji should have put up a fight" Or "it was disappointing that Chopper and Nami were captured", are acting silly in my mind. The whole set up was for a negotiation between Sanji and Capone. Which was shown by the nod they gave each other. Which was extremely cool by the way. I really like this whole Mafia vibe that Big Mom is putting off. Demanding a ransom (candy) from the islands under her control, Arranged weddings, hosting a formal meal (tea party). These sort of politics and negations are a new aspect of piracy that I don't feel like we get to see much in One Piece. Obviously Luffy does not shine in the whole words and plans aspect, and Zoro is not one for talking. so I thought it was really great to see Sanji be the lead in that kind of situation. It gives him a new quality and role in the crew.
I was so glad to see him go from nose bleeding fool to bad ass to being the representative for the Strawhats while Luffy was gone.
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The end pages of 690 is all about Law giving a speech about the new generation coming and messing with the top guys, who have been stuck in a status quo. There's a reason Doula thought Vergo could take down Law with no problem, but was ultimately wrong. He underestimated Law's growth.
While Luffy and the rest of the Worst Generation were out there causing waves and getting stronger, people like Doula were just chilling in their fancy pools.
I replied to someone else already but this is where I disagree. To be aiming for pirate king and not growing is foolhardy. The context of the conversation that DD and Law had was about political climate and world affairs as much as strength level, at least from my reading. So I think DD did grow, not as fast as luffy or law b/c he wasn't pushed in as many corners, he was comfy. We've seen him display powers that he didn't during the war (which can be argued that he didn't have to or oda didn't have time to showcast everyone).
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I replied to someone else already but this is where I disagree. To be aiming for pirate king and not growing is foolhardy.
Doflamingo has never personally stated that he wants to be the Pirate King. Only his subordinates have said that they wanted to get him to that position.
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Wait.. I thought the Tea Party was already suppose to be done by the time SHs reached Zou???
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Not sure if it has been pointed out already. But Bege's bounty might not be a typo if you consider that it is the combination of all the gang members he has inside of him. Maybe they just lumped all their bounties into one since capturing him would be capturing his entire crew.
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@Buggy:
Wait.. I thought the Tea Party was already suppose to be done by the time SHs reached Zou???
It's either a second one, or the first one was delayed for the marriage.
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Not sure if it has been pointed out already. But Bege's bounty might not be a typo if you consider that it is the combination of all the gang members he has inside of him. Maybe they just lumped all their bounties into one since capturing him would be capturing his entire crew.
It's a mistranslation by Panda. Sandman already confirmed that the raw text was 300 million, along with stream translating it that way.
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@Galaxy:
Doflamingo has never personally stated that he wants to be the Pirate King. Only his subordinates have said that they wanted to get him to that position.
Before Monet's life was apparently extinguished, she had stated that it was going to be him who would become the Pirate King.
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Furthermore, Doflamingo displayed a desire to 'rule the world', which strengthens the idea that he personally desires that position.!
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Why and how Capone know about the invitation and Pekoms don't?
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@Galaxy:
Doflamingo has never personally stated that he wants to be the Pirate King. Only his subordinates have said that they wanted to get him to that position.
But that's more information we have to base things on than most other things. It's true that it's only his subord. but it's b/c he aims seemingly to reach the "top" and turn the world upside down. His subordinates recognize that in him, his personal character strength to be "king" and his motivations. Even with motivations as reaching higher, you can argue that he would'e recognized that personal growth is needed. Though he might not have felt the urgency as supernovas did, he still recognized people like yonkos who far outgun him.
anyway, we're going on tangents on this, my point is that DD is still a strong and SHs defeating him is indicator of THEIR strength. Hence why giving up so easily seems like lazy writing
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@Galaxy:
Doflamingo has never personally stated that he wants to be the Pirate King. Only his subordinates have said that they wanted to get him to that position.
During Trebol's last moments, it was clear that it was not a dream shared by Doflamingo, only one foisted upon him by Trebol. Doflamingo just seemed prefer just exploiting the world that he felt wronged him and watching the world burn as a result, but Trebol was blind to that up to his defeat.
Although had the Ope-Ope no Mi immortality surgury been performed on him, he would probably would have ended up de facto Pirate King regardless. So I suppose the dream is still here.
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@Bon:
Why Capone know about the invitation and Pekoms don't?
Maybe Big Mom gave him that order and not to Pekoms. Or it's a back up order
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@Bon:
Why and how Capone know about the invitation and Pekoms don't?
Pekoms did know. He was going to ignore it and pretend they got away.
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Before Monet's life was apparently extinguished, she had stated that it was going to be him who would become the Pirate King.
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Furthermore, Doflamingo displayed a desire to 'rule the world', which strengthens the idea that he personally desires that position.Yes, I'm aware of Monet's statement. That's why I said his subordinates are the only ones who have personally stated it. This same thing was abundant with Whitebeard, since Ace wanted to make him Pirate King when he actually never stated or wanted it himself.
I take his second statement as him wanting to be able to control the world, which would require much more than being the Pirate King. He'd have to go further and topple down the upper echelons of the Celestial Dragons and government.
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Hence why giving up so easily seems like lazy writing
What about the fact that the Minks would be in danger if they resisted?
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@Mr.:
During Trebol's last moments, it was clear that it was not a dream shared by Doflamingo, only one foisted upon him by Trebol. Doflamingo just seemed prefer just exploiting the world that he felt wronged him and watching the world burn as a result, but Trebol was blind to that up to his defeat.
Although had the Ope-Ope no Mi immortality surgury been performed on him, he would probably would have ended up de facto Pirate King regardless. So I suppose the dream is still here.
Yeah, he probably would've gotten it eventually as a side effect. But his ultimate goal was to throw the world into chaos.
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I've never thought much of Capone before but he was brilliant and absolutely cold-blooded in this chapter. Not to mention that he's way more entertaining when you read him with a 30's gangster accent, y'hear?
I can see easy justifications for why Pekoms went down so easily and why the crew was captured without a fight, but it was still a bit disappointing to see it happen.
Also, Capone has a line where he indicates that killing Pekoms with a cannon could have caused him some personal problems. Is that solely a reference to Mink reinforcements or does he mean he might get in trouble with Big Mom?
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Also, Capone has a line where he indicates that killing Pekoms with a cannon could have caused him some personal problems. Is that solely a reference to Mink reinforcements or does he mean he might get in trouble with Big Mom?
Both for sure.
Capone has his own Agenda, seems like he's under BM just for the time being until he gets what he wants. Prolly is after something.
on another note, if Capone can have devil fruit users inside him and they can use their powers normally then thats just crazy!!!
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Also, Capone has a line where he indicates that killing Pekoms with a cannon could have caused him some personal problems. Is that solely a reference to Mink reinforcements or does he mean he might get in trouble with Big Mom?
On the next page he mentions the Minks being drawn to the area as a result of the cannon fire, so probably just the former.
I think it's inevitable that Big Mom will find out about it regardless, so it wouldn't make any sense for the cannon to matter for that case.
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@Galaxy:
On the next page he mentions the Minks being drawn to the area as a result of the cannon fire, so probably just the former.
I think it's inevitable that Big Mom will find out about it regardless, so it wouldn't make any sense for the cannon to matter for that case.
I was thinking it was the difference between guns and lethal force. Like it might reveal his hand too much if he outright killed Pekoms.
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Oh right, but that doesn't mean no growth in strength though, at least from my reading of it. I think that's a big jump in conclusion from well you're not doing anything to change the world, to well your strength level didn't increase. In the context of that conversation, I think it's a political and changes to the workings of the world.
no i think it also means people like doflamingo got weaker and his crew was proof of it. they all got out of shape from their prime because they got comfortable.
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Finally we get to see some action from Capone. He was menacing and I liked it. Hopefully some cool stuff happens with him and I wouldn't mind seeing Urogue do stuff too. Now I just want some quality Brook action. I still can't figure out where the arc is going and I love it.
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Speaking od Space Prince(Because Space Alien is redundant.), doesn't Sanji reminds Bowie?