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    While Doflamingo was leaving Mock Town, he said that the ‘New Age’ is coming. The ‘new age’ was stressed in the Japanese text. He further added that only the worthy pirates are allowed to ‘exist’ in the ‘New Age’ after its 'wave' completely sweeps away the worthless pirates.

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    Only an enormous power that far transcends the currently displayed power of the World Government itself, which wasn’t capable of stopping the ‘Great Pirate Age’, can do something like this.

    After the Straw Hats brought ruin to Disco’s human trade business, Doflamingo told Disco that they are in the age of ‘smiles’.

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    Moments before Doflamingo finished his discussion with Disco, he had said to Disco that a ‘new age’ is coming, in the same discussion as the one about ‘smiles’.

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    We later discover that ‘Smiles’ are in fact artificial zoan devil fruits, and Doflamingo uses them to do business with the ‘big names’ of the New world.

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    We further get told that one of the four emperors has amassed several hundred ‘smile’ users through his dealings with Doflamingo, and we later discover that that emperor is in fact ‘Kaido’.

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    When Kaido first made his appearance after falling from a sky island, he shouted at Joker(albeit there was no Joker) and said ‘to finish the preparations’ for the final ‘battle’. He further declared that he wants the destruction of this world.

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    This suggests that both Kaido and Doflamingo are partners in this scheme of the ‘final war’.

    Back at Dressrosa when Doflamingo was talking to Bellamy, he said that, unlike Bellamy, he didn’t care whether he was a pirate or otherwise, so long as he was able to destroy this ‘world'.

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    As you can see by now, both Kaido and Doflamingo share the desire of the destruction of the world. This both further supports the idea that they are partners in this destruction-of-the-world plot and explains a little about why Doflamingo was funding him with Smiles.

    The only things capable of destroying the world are the ‘ancient weapons’ and Whitebeard’s ‘Earthquake Devil Fruit’. Whenever the ‘destruction of the world’ is mentioned it is 99 % of the time associated with the ‘ancient weapons’. The author even adds emphasis on this idea of ‘world destruction’.

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    When Doflamingo was asked by Law about how he was able to deploy CP0, he said that it was because he knows about the existence of the ‘national treasure’. He further added to his speech that the national treasure is hidden inside of Mariejois, and its very existence is enough to shake the world.

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    When Iceberg was talking about the ancient weapon, he said that the whole world will fight over it if it is ‘reawakened’.

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    Both the ancient weapon and the national treasure have this intersection point of ‘shaking’ the world.


    Doflamingo further displayed a great desire of ‘using’ the ‘national treasure’ to ‘control the world’.

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    The only things known to us with the capability of achieving something of this scale are the ‘ancient weapons’.

    Back at the War of the Best, Doflamingo was the only one brimming with excitement at the idea of a war between one of the four emperors and the marines. This was stressed by the author over and over again throughout the entire war.

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    When Doflamingo was asked by Whitebeard’s 13 division captain about why he was laughing, he responded that the feeling of standing right at the ‘turning point of an age’ makes him laugh. And he added to what he said that this place is ‘neutral’.

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    The word ‘neutral’ was stressed in the Japanese version. This signifies that Doflamingo believes that a battle between one of the four emperors and the marines is ‘neutral’ and whoever wins will be able to create a ‘new age’.

    My theory is that Doflamingo was funding Kaido with Smile so as to wage a war against the marines/World Government just as Whitebeard had done, and create an opportunity for himself to obtain the ‘national treasure’.

    After Aokiji saved Smoker from Doflamingo at Punk Hazard, Smoker said that he must be connected to the underworld.
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    Being connected to underworld allows Aokiji to sniff out information that eludes the Government.

    After conciliating Smoker that he is still the same person, he told him to be wary of Doflamingo. He was speaking of him as a 'threat' to Sakazuki and his new Marine HQ, and he told him to tell Sakazuki to "mobilize" the admirals because things could go from bad (which is what's happening) to worse (which is what is about to happen), and fast(without warning).
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    The way Aokiji spoke about the "mobilization" of the admirals was like a warning to make a preparation for war, and a war that could happen without warning.

    It appears Aokiji caught a whiff of the war that Kaido and Doflamingo intento wage because of his affiliation to the underworld.

    When Doflmaingo gave Monet her ‘final order’ to push the ‘switch’ that will make every life form on Punk Hazard disappear along with hers(except Caesar’s), she said that it’s going to be him who’ll become ‘Pirate King’.
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    This shows that Doflamingo has the intention of ruling the world as its ‘king’.

    Since Doflamingo is pertinacious on becoming the ‘pirate king’, funding Kaido will not work in his favour because it is Kaido that grows stronger instead of him – stronger than Doflamingo. Furthermore, I don’t see how funding an army that is not at his command will help him in his objective of becoming the pirate king. To wage a war against the marines while he has gone through so much trouble of becoming a warlord and taking over Dressrosa so as to leisurely make Smiles for Kaido is counterproductive, unless he has a deeper objective than that. Even if the army manages to emerge victorious in a war against the marines, it will still be Kaido who has won the war. Such victory will not make Doflamingo the ‘pirate king’.
    However, if the waging of the war against the marine were to give him an opportunity to get his hands on the national treasure, which is said to make a person able to ‘rule the world', it would reasonably explain how he intends to become the pirate king.

    This reminds me of what Blackbeard has done to them. While the marine forces were all occupied with Whitebeard’s war, Blackbeard used that opportunity to sneak to Impel Down to fulfill his underhanded motive. Same goes for Doflamingo: while the government’s forces are occupied by a war against Kaido, he could use that opportunity to sneak to where the national treasure is in Mariejois.

    After Blackbeard successfully executed his plan of sneaking to Impel Down and fulfilling his underhanded motive, Doflamingo was shown brimming with excitement at that.
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    Oda-sensei did this for a reason – a reason that we will discover later on as the story progresses. Doflamingo was shown being excited at both the idea of a war between an emperor and also the idea of using that war to one’s own advantage. As the story progressed, we discovered that Doflamingo was trying to execute the same thing(war) using Kaido, so it is reasonable to think that the next step is likely to be similar to what Blackbeard had done.

    When Doflamingo was talking about his past, he said that he swore to destroy the world that the celestial dragons control.

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    To accomplish something of this magnitude, Doflamingo would need the greatest power there is: one of the ancient weapons.

    Through the destruction of the world that has been controlled by the celestial dragons, and through his ‘reign’ over the One Piece world by the ‘national treasure’, Doflamingo will have created a ‘new age’. So this stands as a decent explanation for his aim of creating a ‘new age’.

    22 years ago at Ohara, when Dr Clover was deeply engaged in a discussion with the ‘five elders’ about his ‘hypothesis’ concerning the void century, he said that there existed an ‘enormous kingdom’(also known as the Great Kingdom) that prided itself on its ‘great power’, but when that kingdom ‘realized’ that they were about to be defeated by their ‘enemies’(the World Government), they engraved their ‘ideas’ on indestructible stones, known as the poneglyphs, and scattered them over the globe. In other words, the Great Kingdom was able to ‘foresee’ with great certainty their loss.

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    This alludes to the notion that their enemies, the world government, had obtained a ‘power’ that far surpassed the ‘great power’ of the Great Kingdom and made the World Government’s victory over the Great Kingdom predictably ensured and unavoidable.


    After writing their ideas on the poneglyphs and scattering them throughout the world, the Great Kingdom was completely defeated insomuch as ‘nothing has remained of it’.

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    The only thing that can do something like this are the ancient weapons.


    When Crocodile was talking about Pluton, he said that one of its blasts is capable of destroying an ‘entire island’ without leaving a trace.

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    It’s exactly the same thing that had happened with the ancient kingdom because, according to Professor Clover, ‘nothing has remained of that kingdom’, aside from information about it one the glyphs.

    As Dr Clover was telling us the ‘hypothesis’ behind the void century, he said that the ‘fallen people’ engraved their history on ‘indestructible’ stones, known as the poneglyphs, because they had ‘enemies’(the World Government).

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    Among the things that the ‘fallen people’ left to the future generations on the poneglyphs against their enemies were the ‘ancient weapons’. The very engravings of the locations of these ancient weapons strongly imply that the ancient weapons will be ‘needed’ as a ‘countermeasure’ against their ‘enemies’, later known as the ‘World Government’. That is a strong hint that their ‘enemies’ have an ancient weapon.


    At Water 7 when Iceberg was talking to Robin about the possibility of having an ancient weapon falling into the ‘wrong hands’, he said that the 'power' that can stop it is the power that can 'match it'. In other words, an ancient weapon.

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    When Dragon was talking to Sabo near the Gray Terminal, he said that he does not yet have the ‘power’ to change the ways of this land.

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    When Iceburg and Robin were having their conversation, he said that Robin is the only person capable of resurrecting the ancient weapons because of her ability to read the glyphs.

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    Later on in the storyline, we discovered that Dragon and the revolutionaries had been looking for Robin and calling her the ‘Flame of Revolution’.

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    Robin can be of only ‘two’ uses to the revolutionary army: tell them the history from the void century or resurrect the ancient weapons. We all know that Robin doesn’t know the history of the world YET, and that is her purpose in her adventure with Luffy. So the only use she could be to the revolutionaries is by helping them reawaken ‘Pluton’ and find the ‘power’ that can match the other power of the ancient weapon in Mariejois so as to make their battle against the world government on equal footing.

    When Doflamingo was narrating a little of the history from the ancient world, he said that 20 kings, known as the ‘creators’, from 20 countries gathered together and formed the World Government.

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    He further added that the Nefertari family was one the founders of the World Government.

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    However, since the Nefertari family both declined the opportunity of joining the ‘creators’ in their movement to Mariejois and ‘secretly’ went against the desires of the World Government by protecting the ‘wishes’ of the ‘Great Kingdom’ (passing on their ideas through poneglyphs) through the ‘concealment’ of a poneglyph in their own country, this signifies that the Nefertari family wasn’t an ‘enemy’ to the ‘Great Kingdom’.

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    Since Alabasta was ‘concealing’ the poneglyph, which was given to them by the Great Kingdom ‘before’ their demise, and which contains information about Pluton, this both further supports the idea that Alabasta wasn’t their ‘enemy’ and rules out the possibility that ‘Pluton’ was the weapon that has destroyed the ‘Great Kingdom’.


    When Kalgara was telling Noland about story behind the poneglyph and its relation to Shandora, he said that Shandora was decimated for ‘protecting’ this stone.

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    This further indicates that anyone who protected the poneglyph(including Alabasta) is the ‘enemy’ of the World Government because the protection of the glyphs is in and of itself an act of ‘rebellion’ against the World Government. It also further supports the idea that Alabasta wasn’t the enemy of the Great Kingdom.

    When Robin reached Fishman Island, she went to read the poneglyph of that island and found that it was ‘almost’ like a letter of apology by a man named ‘Joy Boy’.

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    When Robin privately asked Neptune about Joy Boy, Neptune responded that Joy Boy was a man who lived in the ‘surface’.

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    Since the scattering of the poneglyphs throughout the globe was the ‘last resort’ of the Great Kingdom, and Joy Boy was executing his part of the Great Kingdom’s plan of passing on their ideas to the future by scattering the glyphs, it logically follows that Joy Boy was a great part of the Great Kingdom.

    As the discussion between Neptune and Robin was progressing, Neptune told Robin that Joy Boy apologized to Poseidon for breaking a promise he made with Fishman Island.

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    My theory is that the ‘broken promise’ is connected to the downfall of the Great Kingdom.


    When Neptune was talking with his sons about the Noah and its connection to the promise made with Joy Boy, he described him as a ‘great man’.

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    Being described as such implies that Fishman Island and Joy Boy have been on good terms. If one of the patriots(Joy Boy) of the Great Kingdom was in good terms with the people of Fishman Island, that means Poseidon did not perceive the Great Kingdom as an ‘enemy’. Therefore, it couldn’t have been Poseidon that has destroyed the Great Kingdom.

    When an important piece of Fishman Island’s history was revealed through Hachi, he had said that ‘up until two hundred years ago’, Fishmen were officially considered as types of ‘fish’.

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    In other words, from the Void Century up to 200 years ago, the World Government was discriminating against them. This signifies that the World Government wasn’t on ‘good terms’ with Fishman Island. If it wasn’t in good terms, this means that Fishman Island wasn’t part of the alliance that took down the Great Kingdom. And since Fishman Island has Poseidon, this means that Poseidon wasn’t the weapon that was used to obliterate the Great Kingdom.


    When Otohime was talking about her daughter, Shirahoshi(also known as the Ancient Weapon Poseidon), she said that her power is capable of sinking the ‘world’ beneath the waves.

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    The word ‘world’ (世界) (sekai) was stressed in the Japanese version of both Doflamingo and Otohime in exactly the same way.

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    Since Poseidon’s ability is the ‘submergence’ of things through the power of the Sea Kings instead of the reduction of islands to ‘nothingness’, it couldn’t have been Poseidon that has pulverised the Great Kingdom because the Great Kingdom was reduced to ‘nothingness’. The submergence of islands still leaves practically their entire existence underwater. But Professor Clover said that ‘nothing remains of the Great Kingdom’.

    Since two of the three weapons have been logically ruled out, there remains only one weapon, and that is Uranus.

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    Uranus is named after the Greek god of the sky. Since the ancient weapons are named after deities that coincide with them, Uranus could then be a sky weapon. Furthermore, Mariejoie is in the sky, so Uranus fits smoothly with this theme.

    Back in Alabasta, Crocodile’s ultimate objective was the acquisition of an ancient weapon.

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    Since the parallels between Alabasta and Dressrosa are too great to dismiss, it follows that Doflamingo’s ultimate objective of the obtainment of the ‘national treasure’ must be exactly similar to that of Crocodile. In other words, the acquisition of an ancient weapon.

    These are my thoughts for why the national treasure must be the Ancient Weapon Uranus.

    Thank you for reading.
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    A lot of it makes sense. I just wonder if the government was so hell bent on stopping the great pirate era why go through all the trouble to get Pluton if Uranus is parked right at home?
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    One question, Australopithecus‎. Doflamingo seems to think that someone who has been given the Ope Ope no Mi's Eternal Youth Operation and with the National Treasure can conquer the world. In fact, it seems he thinks it is necessary in order to harness it. Do you have any ideas or opinions about this connection?

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    does it really deserve its own thread...or do you just need attention? FYI, there are threads for theories and ancient weapons.

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    Quote Originally Posted by S.C. Amigo View Post
    One question, Australopithecus‎. Doflamingo seems to think that someone who has been given the Ope Ope no Mi's Eternal Youth Operation and with the National Treasure can conquer the world. In fact, it seems he thinks it is necessary in order to harness it. Do you have any ideas or opinions about this connection?
    Eternal youth operation with the national treasure, would make him rule longer.
    The "personality transplant ability" would allow him to get ahold of the national treasure.
    That why the Ope Ope No mi was vital to his plan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ICEMAN View Post
    Eternal youth operation with the national treasure, would make him rule longer.
    The "personality transplant ability" would allow him to get ahold of the national treasure.
    That why the Ope Ope No mi was vital to his plan.
    I was referring to this:

    Doflamingo further displayed a great desire of obtaining and ‘using’ the ‘national treasure’ to ‘control the world’.
    http://i.imgur.com/ics2tkm.jpg
    Doflamingo seems to think you need the EYO first, then acquire the National Treasure.

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    There are 2 things that I always feel like I have to say whenever we talk about the ancient weapons.

    CrocoBoy seems to be as informed about them as any peasant is in the OPworld, ancient weapons are feared and massively destructive, common knowledge, apparently he knew nothing special.

    Seems like we need to re-open the discussion about what Tom San had and gave to Iceburg. Was it an ancient weapon or was a weapon to counter ancient weapons?

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    Anything sounds better than the Sky Island theory.
    By the way Australopithecus, do you know how to use hide tags?

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    Quote Originally Posted by S.C. Amigo View Post
    I was referring to this:

    Doflamingo seems to think you need the EYO first, then acquire the National Treasure.
    I don't think EYO has anything to do with controlling the National treasure. It just makes you live longer.
    The "personality transplant" on the other hand, will allow him to switch his subordinates with whoever has access with the national treasure.
    http://read.powermanga.org/read/one_...0/761/1/page/9
    Just like Law switching the SH's personality at Punk Hazard. Only this time, it's probably DD's subordinates with the CD's.

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    As we saw in the Water 7 and Ennies Lobby saga,the world goverment mobilized various forces and tactics in order to get it's hands in just one of these

    weapons,believed by it's upper ranks,Cp9 and Spandam that they had the potential to end the pirate era.Wouldn't that be a contradiction if the goverment

    already had an ancient weapon in Marijoa?Why this national treasure has to be an ancient weapon?Almost anything left from the ancient kingdom could definitely

    ''shake'' the world,weapon or not.Like an ancient inhabitant imprisoned in Marijoa,and an immortal ,thanks to the ope ope fruit for example.

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    I don't support this theory because doflamingo said existence of national treasure is such a huge secret that it allowed him to hold political power, something which shouldn't be the case if national treasure was an ancient weapon.
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    I think lot of things make sense. Some are even have connection with the "Inherited Will theory"

    I would like to see more evidences and connections in the future

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    Quote Originally Posted by RomanceDawn View Post
    A lot of it makes sense. I just wonder if the government was so hell bent on stopping the great pirate era why go through all the trouble to get Pluton if Uranus is parked right at home?
    Thank you, Romance. It’s always a pleasure to read your posts.

    The government is afraid of the upcoming war like Whitebeard said.


    To leave a weapon that is going to make another force(like the revolutionaries or Crocodile) a ‘threat’ to their reign is risky. If they obtain a second weapon, they will either greatly diminish the risk that threatens their reign or truly become ‘invincible’.

    The Government has always been trying to sweep under the rug anything and everything related to the Great Kingdom and this includes the weapon that was used against them(Uranus). To flaunt a weapon like that will both reveal an important piece of the past(which they have been trying very hard to conceal) and precipitate the war they dread.

    Uranus is a weapon of mass destruction. Its use on pirates will cause more harm than good to the people of the world. Since Uranus is a threat to world peace, its wielder will be considered a threat to world peace as well, and the world will loose faith in the World Government.


    It will cause people to secretly take countermeasures against the threat to world piece(World Government). That is how such precipitation to the world war will happen.

    Quote Originally Posted by S.C. Amigo View Post
    One question, Australopithecus‎. Doflamingo seems to think that someone who has been given the Ope Ope no Mi's Eternal Youth Operation and with the National Treasure can conquer the world. In fact, it seems he thinks it is necessary in order to harness it. Do you have any ideas or opinions about this connection?
    Sure, bud. When Doflamingo began talking about Law’s Ope Ope, he said that if he had had it, he would have been able to use the national treasure that day(past conditional). And he followed what he said with ‘not to mention, your personality transplant and the ageless surgery.’
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    The expression ‘not to mention’ is used to introduce additional information. So that means that the personality transplant and the ageless surgery are ‘additional uses’ to what he was previously talking about(the panel that you showed me). One possibility that I have in mind at the moment is, if he had had his ope ope, he could have used ‘shambles’ to steal Uranus and use it, or maybe to get close to it and use it. Or perhaps it is something we don’t know yet. In any case, I can assure you that it does not mean that obtaining the Ope Ope is a ‘necessity’ to his plan. It will help him achieve his plan more easily, but it’s definitely not ‘vital’ to his plan.

    Also, what Iceman said is very reasonable.

    Quote Originally Posted by Monquito View Post
    There are 2 things that I always feel like I have to say whenever we talk about the ancient weapons.

    CrocoBoy seems to be as informed about them as any peasant is in the OPworld, ancient weapons are feared and massively destructive, common knowledge, apparently he knew nothing special.
    Crocodile is also an exception. When he mentioned Pluton to his subordinates, they were surprised at the existence of something like that.

    Quote Originally Posted by Monquito View Post
    Seems like we need to re-open the discussion about what Tom San had and gave to Iceburg. Was it an ancient weapon or was a weapon to counter ancient weapons?
    It was the blueprint of Pluton.

    Quote Originally Posted by gangonga View Post
    As we saw in the Water 7 and Ennies Lobby saga,the world goverment mobilized various forces and tactics in order to get it's hands in just one of these weapons,believed by it's upper ranks,Cp9 and Spandam that they had the potential to end the pirate era.Wouldn't that be a contradiction if the govermentalready had an ancient weapon in Marijoa?
    No, it wouldn’t be a contradiction. Read my reply to Romance for more info.

    Quote Originally Posted by gangonga View Post
    Why this national treasure has to be an ancient weapon?
    Reasons were provided in the theory.

    Quote Originally Posted by gangonga View Post
    Almost anything left from the ancient kingdom could definitely ''shake'' the world,weapon or not.Like an ancient inhabitant imprisoned in Marijoa,and an immortal ,thanks to the ope ope fruit for example.
    This includes an ancient weapon.

    Quote Originally Posted by zeff redleg View Post
    I don't support this theory because doflamingo said existence of national treasure is such a huge secret that it allowed him to hold political power,
    The Government is pampering him because it is completely inconvenient for them to have the world know about the weapon. The Government showed concern over public faith over and over again.
    Quote Originally Posted by zeff redleg View Post
    something which shouldn't be the case if national treasure was an ancient weapon.
    Why should it not be the case?



    Quote Originally Posted by The Humanoid Typhoon View Post
    I think lot of things make sense. Some are even have connection with the "Inherited Will theory"

    I would like to see more evidences and connections in the future
    Thanks! If I remember/ see anything else that further support this theory, I'll add it here.
    Last edited by Australopithecus; September 19th, 2015 at 07:36 AM.

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    Has anyone made a Nic Cage joke yet? No?

    Luffy will kidnap the Gorosei in order to find the National Treasure before Blackbeard.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Australopithecus View Post
    The Government has always been trying to sweep under the rug anything and everything related to the Great Kingdom and this includes the weapon that was used against them(Uranus). To flaunt a weapon like that will both reveal an important piece of the past(which they have been trying very hard to conceal) and precipitate the war they dread.

    Uranus is a weapon of mass destruction. Its use on pirates will cause more harm than good to the people of the world. Since Uranus is a threat to world peace, its wielder will be considered a threat to world peace as well, and the world will loose faith in the World Government.
    http://i.imgur.com/BgTjRuo.png

    It will cause people to secretly take countermeasures against the threat to world piece(World Government). That is how such precipitation to the world war will happen.
    Yeah, gotta disagree with this here. The display of an unequaled WMD isn't a case for distrust in the World Government and creates pressure on other nations. Rather than conceal a weapon, a government that both passively discriminates (Fishman Island, Doflamingo's flashback) and actively persecutes (Robin's bridge to nowhere TS adventure) is exactly the type of organization to flaunt a weapon of currently unparalleled power. It could be used as a threat against the Yonkou, the Revolutionaries, and any other problematic organization.

    Moreover, if the treasure was simply a weapon like we think Uranus is, there would be no reason to conceal it. Even if Uranus was what destroyed the Great Civilization in the past, there's no way to connect its activity back then to the WG today, 700 years later. The Gorosei could simply claim that they had acquired Uranus in the many years following the Void Century. Plus, there's no evidence that the Great Civilization is viewed in a positive light by any modern day nations as a whole, WG-affiliated or otherwise.

    In other words, the existence of Uranus as a simply powerful weapon isn't enough to justify concealing it.

    What's much more likely, in my opinion, is that the National Treasure of Mariejois poses a threat to the validity of the WG's rule in a way that the possession of a powerful weapon can't. Doflamingo didn't jist plan to steal the treasure, he blackmailed the WG government about its existence. Compare the secret nature of the treasure to Spandam's plan to obtain Pluton, which he would have used to expand control over the globe. It's certainly possible that the nature of Uranus, if in the possession of the WG, makes it unwise to publicize, just like Neptune. That possibility needs to be factored in to any analysis of the WG's handling of their treasure.

    Another possibility that I like is that the treasure of Mariejois is actually another secret ancient weapon, one whose existence the WG has meticulously covered up. Uranus, Poseidon, and Neptune would have all been on the side of the Great Civilization, and this secret weapon would have had the strength to oppose them, though likely at great cost. Again, the nature of this weapon would necessitate secrecy, to the point where the WG erased all mentions of its existence.

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    Great theory, Austra-boy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Australopithecus View Post

    The Government is pampering him because it is completely inconvenient for them to have the world know about the weapon. The Government showed concern over public faith over and over again.

    Why should it not be the case?
    Leaking information to public that the world govt holds an ancient weapon won't cause much of a chaos in the world. The world govt can easily defend the public opinion by saying that it's to eliminate the pirates/yonkou.
    They could have also sent an admiral to capture doflamingo and resolve the situation as well as stop the rumors. I just don't see it as a big deal that they need to to hush up everything. On the other hand if the national treasure was something which caused the pirates to attack them for it's worth like say One Piece itself or the thing Shiki mentioned roger had then it would be a totally different situation.

    Anyways when i first read the chapter, i thought the national treasure was an ancient weapon as well, but then i rejected that idea because it seemed kinda obvious.

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    I want to come up with a more relevant/reasoned response (I agree with most of what you say, but have a few small qualms), but it's 2am and I just wanna put this out there for now: I believe that Dragon is Uranus, thus why he is "the most dangerous man in the world," and explaining his association with the weather.

    But I don't have many other reasons for it, besides thinking it would be REALLY cool. Though, on the other hand, Oda has said that his only way of deciding what to include in One Piece is asking himself "What would 15 year old Oda think is REALLY cool." So... Yeah, iunno.

    Good work putting together this theory, Australopithecus. I especially enjoyed each moment you ruled out one weapon or another as having opposed the ancient kingdom.

    I'll give a more relevant response when I can. But, by the way: Your name has a music note under it.... I can't help but wonder... Is your name a modest mouse reference? In the "Call to Dial a Song" portion of the old album "Sad Sappy Sucker," he recorded a song called Austral Opithecus. I know it's a long shot, but hey may as well ask!

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    Good job of gathering all the information, but this theory is a bit like stating the obvious in comparison to the well thought out dragon fruit theory.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ned_Gutters View Post
    I want to come up with a more relevant/reasoned response (I agree with most of what you say, but have a few small qualms), but it's 2am and I just wanna put this out there for now: I believe that Dragon is Uranus, thus why he is "the most dangerous man in the world," and explaining his association with the weather.

    But I don't have many other reasons for it, besides thinking it would be REALLY cool. Though, on the other hand, Oda has said that his only way of deciding what to include in One Piece is asking himself "What would 15 year old Oda think is REALLY cool." So... Yeah, iunno.

    Good work putting together this theory, Australopithecus. I especially enjoyed each moment you ruled out one weapon or another as having opposed the ancient kingdom.

    I'll give a more relevant response when I can. But, by the way: Your name has a music note under it.... I can't help but wonder... Is your name a modest mouse reference? In the "Call to Dial a Song" portion of the old album "Sad Sappy Sucker," he recorded a song called Austral Opithecus. I know it's a long shot, but hey may as well ask!
    Maybe Dragon has the countermeasure to those ancient weapons. It makes sense that the government is in possesion of at least one of the weapons and Poseidon and Pluton were literally confirmed in both manga and anime.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ned_Gutters View Post
    I want to come up with a more relevant/reasoned response (I agree with most of what you say, but have a few small qualms), but it's 2am and I just wanna put this out there for now: I believe that Dragon is Uranus, thus why he is "the most dangerous man in the world," and explaining his association with the weather.
    That would definitely be cool but Poseidon is already a person, two weapons being actual humans wouldn't be a bit too much ?

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    wouldn't make much sense..the WG wanted pluton to end the pirate era..if they already had an ancestral weapon on their own..they wouldn't have waited a bit and use it already

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