I mean the first comic literally has a one year jump in it. And we know aang is 14 by the rift so I think depending on how many months aang was 12 for before he froze over they've been away from the finale by 18-24 months. I know that's not the ages in the illustration but I feel that skipping right ahead would have been too hasty. I think part of the reason they've stopped now is that they (if they return to the comics) can jump in the future a fair bit now. Maybe not mid-thirties but mid-twenties or so
Avatar: The Last Airbender/Legend of Korra
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I don't care that they haven't done a significant jump. You gotta keep them close to their marketable designs. I'm bothered they try to cram in a lifetime of achievements and worldbuilding from Korra into their lives immediately so most of their major things happened instantly.
It may be less noticeable now a few years later, but when the first series hit the same time as Korra started airing, it was reeeeeally jarring and blatant.
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Seems at one point season 4 might have been a thing. More reason ton hate the live action movie ever happening. https://io9.gizmodo.com/avatar-the-last-airbenders-writer-says-a-possible-seas-1833776084?rev=1554306760183&utm_source=io9_twitter&utm_medium=socialflow&utm_campaign=socialflow_io9_twitter
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I'm glad they didn't The show ended in a good place. If that season was just going to be the garbage that is the comics, we're better off.
At least in comic form I can basically forget it ever happened eventually. If the awful was on screen I'd be fully reminded everytime I went back and revisited the series. As is the absurdity that is the resolution to "what happened to Zuko's mother" just taints that entire narrative arc on so many levels.
ANd yes, I know the comics are canon. I don't care. They're easy to ignore.
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The show could have used 5-7 more episodes to do everything it wanted but really with a full 4th season it would have been way to watered down.
It's just that by the time we got to season 3 there was too much for the perfect 3rd but to little for a 4rth one and between the two I preferred the "rushed" season 3. They made misteps but they delivered a satisfying finally where with a 4rth season it would be be a mercy killing and change avatar from great to it was fine.
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Also, I guess the mother's story could have been vetoed or improved through the tv process, thing that they are more used to work than comics.
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I'm glad that was all there was honestly. Sure, there were plot threads they still could've explored but overall, I was really satisfied with the conclusion of AtLA's story.
And that's only in part because boy, has what followed since been very narratively & thematically inconsistent! (I'm seconding Robby on the fanficcy nature of the comics)
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I never read those. I should get on that.
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No! That's the exact opposite of what people are saying.
You've been warned, though. Those comics are the sort of bad that can retroactively taint the whole thing, like Robby said. I'm glad my little tolerance to terrible writing made me drop those before any real damage was done.
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I never read one of those, only knew the resolution to Zuko’s mother thread…and oh boy I wish i could forget that.
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Zuko's mom is very much one of those "we didn't actually have a plan for this" things.
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I think that there was ONE good one. But the whole experience was not good.
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Can someone fill me in on what happened with Zuko's mom?
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in the follow up books?
! After poisoning Azulon, She ends up going back to her old village and meets her old lover who changed faces thanks to Koh's mom, the mother of faces, and also erased her memory. Ended up starting another fam with her old lover. Zuko, Azula, and the gang go to find her because of some implication that Zuko may not be Ozai's kid (which is, of course, just bait for the plot without any actual substance). Anyway they restore her face and memories and bring her back to the fire nation mainland
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Can someone fill me in on what happened with Zuko's mom?
! She had magic face change and amnesia to keep her safe all these years with zero repercussions for her actions and not worry about Zuko at all while she lived a happy life with a new family.
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What I got from the show is that Ozai convince her to king the previous king so Zuko would be safe but she would have to be exiled.
And in terms of guessing I would have placed her as random lady in earth kingdom or living in some remote region of the fire Nation or being a couple years later(peacefully but with the one regret of not seeing Zuko).
She made a deal with Ozai to be the bad guy(kill the king) so Zuko could live and she couldn't come back as long as he was in power. Simple enough.
The comic
! sounds more meh than infuriating.
! I don't need her to be torturing herself so her having another family doesn't bother me.
! But I really don't see the point of the face change. Amnesia should be enough. Especially with an old lover.But I never read it. Last Airbender was good enough as it is and sequels tends to make stories a little too crowd pleasing or main characters to perfect/godly.
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Two sentence summaries aren't quite the same as seeing it unfold over 200 pages… over the course of nine months.
It was... not good.
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I wouldn't say it wasn't good, but it's wasn't worth the hype, at all. I'd say its average at best. The stories that come after are better, even though I feel they're quickly paced and are only there to fill in the gap between then and how the world becomes more industrial by the time Korra becomes Avatar.
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It was not good.
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Guess some things are truly best left unsaid (or unwritten).
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It was bad. .
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I'm not crying, you're crying.
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Well Avatar being on Netflix bring on a lot of awful hot takes on twitter. Guess a "little" gatekeeping ain't so bad.
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Been out of the loop for awhile but noticing a lot of Avatar TLAb resurgence. Is this due to being on Netflix now?
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Probably that. Great way to introduce people.
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I had no cable at all growing up, so I missed out on the Avatar during its initial run. Seeing it on Netflix has been an immense joy! The characters, the story, the creativity behind some of the bending. A lot of people told me it was good, but I didn't know it was this good.
Hooray for interesting antagonists, too. It's refreshing to see a female villain driven by ambition instead of revenge, and one who arguably succeeds in the 2nd season.
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Are we really in that phase where Avatar got too old?
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Are we really in that phase where Avatar got too old?
The hot takes on Twitter prove that we are already part of the geezers and not hip anymore.
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My younger cousins asked me if I had seen Avatar. "Yeah, I watched it on tv when it aired and have it on dvd. There is also a second series called Legend of Korra." "Oh, we don't know about that."
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I used to see Avatar and while it wasnt bad I didnt care much for it. That 4-5 years ago a reaction channel was doing it so I decided to finally binge. It was a pretty great experience. And despite several flaws there's isnt much stories I love like Avatar.
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Oh boy the first heavily politicized hot take on a cartoon show sequel that the creators had put much thinking effort on because it was supposed to a one shot spin off before being renewed has come:
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Republic city being the first true melting pot of civilization of that world went right over their heads right?
Aang personally stopped fire Hitler, and the avatar is the proven pope/hero Dalai Lama, who have religious temples everywhere. I don’t have the energy to read it completely, but for all the faults that Korra (the series) had, the state of the world wasn’t one of it (except Vaatu)
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I think that article makes some pretty good points in regards to Republic City being a played out setting in Korra, but its overall thesis that this is because of an over reliance on whiteness, I can't get behind.
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They also go on about everyone being white… uhm... main title character Khorra?
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Oh boy the first heavily politicized hot take on a cartoon show sequel that the creators had put much thinking effort on because it was supposed to a one shot spin off before being renewed has come:
https://medium.com/@nettlefish/the-inescapable-whiteness-of-avatar-the-legend-of-korra-and-its-uncomfortable-implications-debc76bbf7fWhen the Avatar franchise is explicitly concieved as evoking eastern asian culture, I can't exactly see why its an unfair "heavily politicized hot take" to interrogate the sequel through a cultural lens. Interrogating the cultural allusions and thematics of Avatar is as fair as discussing gender identity in One Piece, and saying saying that "interrogating the cultural themes of Korra is not fair because the writers didn't put thought into it" is uh, not the best counterpoint
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Republic city being the first true melting pot of civilization of that world went right over their heads right?
Aang personally stopped fire Hitler, and the avatar is the proven pope/hero Dalai Lama, who have religious temples everywhere. I don’t have the energy to read it completely, but for all the faults that Korra (the series) had, the state of the world wasn’t one of it (except Vaatu)
The point made in the article is, why does "melting pot of civilization" have to default to evoking New York City? Especially when the mixed civilizations are fire nation and earth kingdom - neither of which draw upon the civilizations that form the basis of New York? Apart from the multiple direct adaptations of american architecture and automobiles listed in the article, I don't think you can make a serious, good-faith case that the bigass Aang statue in the waters outside of the beacon-of-progress multicultural skyscraper metropolis is not meant to evoke the statue of liberty.
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They also go on about everyone being white… uhm... main title character Khorra?
Culturally white. As in, the very western wedding that has no basis in the cultures of the characters partaking in said wedding. Skin color is not mentioned in the article at any point. I don't agree with everything the article says, but c'mon guys.
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Anyway, if people are interested in some essays interrogating Korra from an angle focused on its storytelling, these reaction-recaps are pretty neat. FAIR WARNING: the writers opinion on season one end up even more negative than the norm. It also sadly contains a bunch of distracting spelling/grammar errors, but still worth a read.
https://www.patreon.com/posts/legend-of-korra-37606826 https://www.patreon.com/posts/legend-of-korra-37643960 https://www.patreon.com/posts/legend-of-korra-37795627 https://www.patreon.com/posts/39778643 -
NY angle I see as they went for something more of style over substance, by the times they wanted to emulated ('20s) Shangai and Hong Kong don't have all that jazz that NY had. And all the eastern metros were modernized in this era following the exemples of the big metros os US and Europe, which lead to my personal bias against modern architecture that all looks fucking homogeneous. They could've spent more time developing a more organic modern architecture meets Earth Kingdom Chinese aesthetics and Fire Nation Thai aesthetics.
Aang statue feels kind the Liberty one…but it's not like there aren't giant Buddha statues all over southeast asia.
I find a tad little jumpy to judge Varrick's wedding as the standard world wedding, when we haven't seen one in the original series, or even another in Korra. The whole thing could be from what Varrick found aesthetics instead of tradition.
I also find unjust to expect Korra,a series that faced a multitude of production problems and Nickelodeon's apparent hate for the series, to hold the same good standards in writing and world building that it's predecessor set.
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She also had enough pyrokinesis to murder them, while the comet was active there was no better way to restraint her, and I am way more scared of calm Azula.
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It's 2010 again folks, this time we can't blame Shyamalan
So it’s probably to be different from the show in terms of tone and direction but maybe not necessarily bad. Keep in mind those two were the writers of Korra season 1 after all. Just because Shyamalan messed up doesn’t mean this will be guaranteed to be a disaster.
But then again this whole thing felt like a cash grab in the first place so…
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Yeah, it always felt like a crash bag. It also annoys me TV networks trying to make live actions outta comics and cartoons, instead you know, fund an original production with a good team of writers.
I know that they didn't put the same effort they put in Aang on Korra, but if I recall correctly Korra was supposedly to be a one season spin off, she would lose her other bendings in other to learn airbending; ending in a parallel Aang started with it and Korra was left with only it. BUT, when they were finishing production Nick said we're giving you guys a second season deal with it, and hence the ex machina at the end and the piss poor plot of S2, Varrick was the only good thing in that season. -
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Bryke supposedly left the Netflix adaptation because 1) they wanted a bigger budget than what was suggested, 2) Netflix wanted to open the casting to white people, and 3) Netflix wanted to create a “darker, mature tone with more romance, sex, and blood”.
You know? I'm… okay with that? Not whitewashing any of the cast, (again) that'd be complete shit move. But its live action, its going to have a different vibe anyway no matter what you do. Age the characters up so you can have actual actors who can ACT, and go with drama.
Don't turn it into Game of Thrones or Riverdale or anything, but nothing wrong with it being different and a little more grown up. Why would you want a scene for scene, joke for joke remake of the thing you already saw a dozen times for over a decade anyway?
Just don't go all Death Note on it and completely reinterpret it wrong..
Also for all the Bryke created the world, they're not the sole reason the original show was good. There were writers and supervisors and other heads that made it work, and those same guys weren't on Khorra while Bryke got more control and the change in quality is... very apparent.
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You know? I'm… okay with that? Not whitewashing any of the cast, (again) that'd be complete shit move. But its live action, its going to have a different vibe anyway no matter what you do. Age the characters up so you can have actual actors who can ACT, and go with drama.
Don't turn it into Game of Thrones or Riverdale or anything, but nothing wrong with it being different and a little more grown up. Why would you want a scene for scene, joke for joke remake of the thing you already saw a dozen times for over a decade anyway?
Just don't go all Death Note on it and completely reinterpret it wrong..
Also for all the Bryke created the world, they're not the reason the original show was good. There were writers and supervisors and other heads that made it work, and those same guys weren't on Khorra while Bryke got more control and the change in quality is... apparent.
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Wait, weren't there white characters in the universe already?
Was Bolin not white?Well since the show they're remaking is Last airbender, then presumably Aang, Katara, Sokka, and Zuko were the ones being discussed.
I'd like to think they wouldn't repeat the movie mistake and go lily white on Sokka and Katara, but I can easily see whitewashing Aang being a discussion point despite the obvious asian influence.
Though I'd have zero problems with the Fillipino washing Zuko if it meant just casting Dante Basco in the role. I don't care that he's 44 and it would require changing the role a ton.
Really the obvious solution they should have arrived at in the first place is just… tell a story from a different era in the franchise. Do a Kyoshi story, or one of the dozens of avatars we know nothing about. If you're not recasting old characters and rehashing an already told story, it works better.
Like, the Death Note movie, terrible as it was, would have avoided most of the problems if it was just a Deathnote story. Instead of whiteboy Kira named Light fighting L, just go with whiteboy Ken fighting Inspector X. Once its not the same story the differences become more acceptable and less glaring,
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Well since the show they're remaking is Last airbender, then presumably Aang, Katara, Sokka, and Zuko were the ones being discussed.
I'd like to think they wouldn't repeat the movie mistake and go lily white on Sokka and Katara, but I can easily see whitewashing Aang being a discussion point despite the obvious asian influence.
Though I'd have zero problems with the Fillipino washing Zuko if it meant just casting Dante Basco in the role. I don't care that he's 44 and it would require changing the role a ton.
Aside from reigning in the budget, Netflix also wanted the ability to consider some white actors for the series. This was a non-starter for the creators, who were insistent that not a single white actor be on the series.
Obviously the five main characters weren't intended to be white, but I'm pretty sure there were white side characters.