One Piece Chapter 741 - Usoland The Liar
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The dwarves want to destroy the factory? In what chapter ? I must have missed that…
Destroy the factory = freeing the dwarves. The dwarves ARE the "factory" that DD's using to create the SMILE….
http://mangasee.com/manga/?series=OnePiece&chapter=738&index=1
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It's not the same progress as AP b/c he should've grown even more. What is the point of saying Nojiko told him the situation, he knows the situation on Dressrosa b/c the dwarves told him and the Den-Den mushi call with the other SHs. And after he shot Arlong, he bragged and lied like he always does (which isn't not ignoring character development).
You bring up why he needed to defeat Chew, but you ignore why he has to defeat Sugar and Trebol, namely that Franky is fighting against DD's crewmates just to give him the chance to (something knows about).
Your point? He ran away to let the Tontatas to fend for themselves before he turned back…...which is the point I'm trying to make.
One last quote.
Exactly, he has more variety to his arsenals, he has more confidence (Daruma/Getting the sea stone handcuffs) and it's safe to say he's stronger after the time-skip but he did not become brave as people expected him to be (well I also thought he was around Fishman Island).
There was no clear indication that Usopp has gotten braver, except his re-introduction in Sabaody - "nothing will faze me anymore" but he got freaked out afterwards so if you wanna take that as a serious statement then please go ahead, there's your problem though.
As for the Arlong thing, that's right he DID brag ("Captain Usopp" "I have 8000 followers") didn't he? Did he do that NOW?
Chu thing, do you remember his epiphany? his declaration/confidence boost to himself "I'll show you my former Usopp Pirate Members! and Kaya! I've left for the seas to become a pirate! and so I'm going to fight! Because one day… I'm really going to become a brave warrior of the seas! The carefree fun days I spent... playing "pirates" are over!" again.. did he do any of that here?
Usopp isn't fighting as ever before, there are no lies, alter ego nor needed confidence booster, if that isn't a step to the right direction of being brave.. I don't know what is.
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Anyways I'm taking a break forreals now.. sorry to anyone I've offended with all my quotes.
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Usopp isn't fighting as ever before, there are no lies, alter ego nor needed confidence booster, if that isn't a step to the right direction of being brave.. I don't know what is.
That's not the point I'm trying to make though…..............................well then, okay.
There was no clear indication that Usopp has gotten braver
I'm not going to go through 700+ chapter just to prove that he has. If you haven't seen that, then we'll have to agree to disagree against the evidence.
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You know what, fuck Usopp's behavior.
He ran then he came back. Why write theses about it as if it's such a big of a deal? Yeah, I'd like it if Oda didn't emphasize his cowardly side that much here. Might have made him cautios, hiding and panically thinking about his options (running away not being one of them). Wouldn't have problem with that. But it is like it is now. He's about to redeem himself. Guess I'm easy.
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Hamster, then do you think that this situation is comparably scary to the ones he's been in before? Because I think that this is arguably the scariest situation he has ever been in.
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Okay 3 things can happen from here.
1.) Ussop ends up getting owned up to the point until he learns haki.
2.) Kanjuro shows up and helps.
3.) Ussop takes out sugar while avoiding Trebol's attack.
Or maybe Oda does something completely different. But I really want him to start learning haki….
LOL are you saying Ussops haki will be awakend via haveing the shit beaten out of him? haha
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I'm not going to go through 700+ chapter just to prove that he has. If you haven't seen that, then we'll have to agree to disagree against the evidence.
Shush I know I said I was gonna go… after this OK.. but you misunderstood me. I meant there was no clear indication he got braver AFTER the timeskip (my bad, I rushed it) except the 2 I already stated (Daruma/handcuffs).
Anyways if you're gonna check, you only got like.. 143 chapters to go through?
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Your point? He ran away to let the Tontatas to fend for themselves before he turned back…...which is the point I'm trying to make. Oh also, he ran to lend Franky handle it himself....
Sorry, but you're the one who having problem with Usopp running away in last chapter without seeing this from Usopp's pov.
http://mangasee.com/manga/?series=OnePiece&chapter=284&index=1
1.) he didn't leave nami behind.
2.) he shuts the door and then decides to face Enel
3.) He even told nami he'll distract him while she gets ready to GTFO out of there…......
1. he leave nami behind.
2. nami yell asking him to come back.
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Hamster, then do you think that this situation is comparably scary to the ones he's been in before? Because I think that this is arguably the scariest situation he has ever been in.
Enel, Jabara, Admiral, Arlong, Mr. 4+Miss Merry Christmas….etc. You can make the argument that every new arc would be the scariest opponent, b/c that will be the toughest opponent for him at the time. I make the argument that we haven't seen his total growth yet, so we don't know if he could handle Trebol or not, but pre-timeskip we have seen that he's a regular human with some cool toys at certainly much difficult odds. Now post-time skip, he's above average human, taking down fishman with ease.
Sorry, but you're the one who having problem with Usopp running away in last chapter without seeing this from Usopp's pov.
1. he leave nami behind.
2. nami yell asking him to come back.
3. after mustering his courage, he came back.1. intially yes and this was pre-timeskip and before many arcs of character growth, which isn't a problem for me personally (and that's part of the point I've been trying to make).
2. it was a sentence of pretty much saying "hey come back"
3. that little bit was enough for him to say he's a brave warrior and open the door again. This time it took a whole of the tribe to go on this long speech about ussop for him to feel guilty. See why I have a problem with that? This is AFTER so many years of growth and it still took more for him to face trebol than enel…And why do I have problem with him running away? B/c all evidence points the fact that Ussop, while a coward who ran, never turned his eyes from people in need, this chapter shows that he ran from people in need (and again sorry to sound like a broken record) after so many arcs of growth.
Shush I know I said I was gonna go… after this OK.. but you misunderstood me. I meant there was no clear indication he got braver AFTER the timeskip (my bad, I rushed it) except the 2 I already stated (Daruma/handcuffs).
Anyways if you're gonna check, you only got like.. 143 chapters to go through?
Ahh, if that's the case, we're arguing about 2 different things then. Cheerio.
LOL are you saying Ussops haki will be awakend via haveing the shit beaten out of him? haha
Haki can be awakened under times of stress….and it's canon, so I don't know why you're laughing at me for thinking it's plausible that with so much on his shoulders and in battle ussop could potentially awaken it against a (possible) logia opponent.
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Usopp may not be as strong as other Strawhats but he is definitely not a regular human, taking a 4 tons (or was it 2 tons?) baseball bat in the face and still being able to move isn't a regular human feat.
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Which doesn't at all involve…
It's not the sam…
You're like the most frustrating…
There was no clear indication…
You know what, fuck…
Sorry, but you're the one…
As much as I hate being a tyrant and suppressing your freedom of speech on these forums, it really is time to give this topic a rest. It had its chance last week, and it has been given more than enough time this chapter already, so if you _must_ continue it then take it to PM or if absolutely necessary find a more appropriate thread.
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EDIT: Brennen is right. I will keep the post below, but will avoid discussing anymore. After all, it's not really that relevant, right?
It's not like it will ruin this arc or we'll start to dislike Usopp because of that.Enel, Jabara, Admiral, Arlong, Mr. 4+Miss Merry Christmas….etc. You can make the argument that every new arc would be the scariest opponent, b/c that will be the toughest opponent for him at the time. I make the argument that we haven't seen his total growth yet, so we don't know if he could handle Trebol or not, but pre-timeskip we have seen that he's a regular human with some cool toys at certainly much difficult odds. Now post-time skip, he's above average human, taking down fishman with ease.
Exactly, this is not only a matter of the enemies strength, but Usopp as well.
He faced enemies as strong or even stronger than Treból before, when he was much weaker and less experienced than he is now. The gap between Enel and Usopp back in Skypiea was much much bigger than Treból/Sugar and the current Usopp. Back in that time Usopp had basically nothing but rotten eggs and rubber bands in his arsenal. When he fought Miss Merry Christmas and Mr. 4 (who hold the same post in a Shichibukai crew as Treból/Sugar) he also didn't had any personal achievement besides beating Chuu, sure Chopper was there with him but back in that time Chopper was not seen as much stronger than Usopp himself.
Usopp now has a really strong arsenal, with the dials and the pop greens, and we know he is confident on those things as he made clear when he met Nami in Sabaody. Also, since he came back there were only reasons for him to grow even more confident in his new found strength, seeing as he effortlessly defeated one of the New Fishman Pirates officers and even managed to finish Buffalo and capture Ceasar.
That said, it's hard to think he would see the current situation as more scary than the ones he went through previously. There are reasons for him to cower, but not enough to evoke a more radical reaction than previous experiences did.
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I've been thinking about Pica and his devil fruit. I don't buy him being a logia just like that.
I mean, with that kind of control, he could be somewhere on the side, making the rocks look like him. That also might be one of the reasons why Zoro can't make his attacks work. Pica isn't even there (maybe).
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Usopp may not be as strong as other Strawhats but he is definitely not a regular human, taking a 4 tons (or was it 2 tons?) baseball bat in the face and still being able to move isn't a regular human feat.
Neither is surviving lightning, but Pagaya did it.
Not to mention all the shit Spandam went through, despite his 9 Douriki.
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1. intially yes
Good, and that's because?
2. it was a sentence of pretty much saying "hey come back"
And she said that because?
3. that little bit was enough for him to say he's a brave warrior and open the door again. This time it took a whole of the tribe to go on this long speech about
See why I have a problem with that? This is AFTER so many years of growth and it still took more for him to face trebol than enel…No, it's not. It's a different case with Enel. Usopp have the responsibility for his nakama.
And he don't have the responsibility to saving the dwarves.And why do I have problem with him running away? B/c all evidence points the fact that Ussop, while a coward who ran**, never turned his eyes from people in need**, this chapter shows that he ran from people in need (and again sorry to sound like a broken record) after so many arcs of growth.
what ? when that happen?
Destroy the factory = freeing the dwarves. The dwarves ARE the "factory" that DD's using to create the SMILE….
http://mangasee.com/manga/?series=OnePiece&chapter=738&index=1
It's must be just you who think that way. Meanwhile in Usopp's head
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Would be hilarious if Usopp awakens Haoskoku haki and knocks out Sugar.
Fire is hot, so are ladies. Sorry Sanji lovers, a mera mera no mi lady will join and melt his heart 
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Would be hilarious if Usopp awakens Haoskoku haki and knocks out Sugar.
16 chars of nope
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I personally think it'll be a situation where he learns it but can't control it well and it'll progress through arcs where he finetunes it. And I agree to a certain degree that he's a gadget user, but his attacks are still physical based (besides firebird star), much like the Kuja warriors and their arrows. As a sniper of the SHs, it would be handy to learn it. The only crewmates I don't see learning Haki are Franky and Nami, both use technology and have attacks that aren't physical (laser, fire, lightning….etc).
IDk how haki would work through plants though. Vergo used a bamboo for his attacks, but ussops plants are more "alive"…rather than an inanimate object or part of his own body. Not saying putting armaments through plants isn't possible though but I don't think its been done before. I do think some underhanded attack like a seastone pellet would work more for him though but we'll see if he pulls out some crazy stuff during this fight.
Franky I kinda think he would eventually have haki eventually though. Even though he probably wouldn't need it, he is one of the stronger fighters and certainly has more "will/ambition". But yea I agree franky's laser and such probably makes up for haki, but Franky does like needless additional firepower....
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Would be hilarious if Usopp awakens Haoskoku haki and knocks out Sugar.
People still think Sugar is weak?
Okay 3 things can happen from here.
1.) Ussop ends up getting owned up to the point until he learns haki.
2.) Kanjuro shows up and helps.
3.) Ussop takes out sugar while avoiding Trebol's attack.
Or maybe Oda does something completely different. But I really want him to start learning haki….
Probably number 3. That would fit his character best.
I doubt he will be learning Haki just because of stress. He has been through several stressful situations before, but never learned any Haki because of them. He's bound to get himself in even more dangerous situations in the future too.
And the entire point of the character is that he's supposed to be limited in terms of power.
And really? Franky being unable to learn Haki because of his technological body? The technology is part of him. People can embue CoA on objects too, you know.
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And by the way, you're wrong. Usopp saved Genzo from Arlong before even talking to him and then he saved some random bystanders from Chuu at Arlong Park.
He only attacked Arlong after Nami sister went there, and he after that told a lie trying to scare Arlong away and after that he ran. Right now he just ran, he didn't tried to lie to the enemies.
Against Chu he was fighting for Nami; with Luffy, Zoro and Sanji; and even than he ran, than attacked Chuu when he wasn't looking(certainly it wasn't to safe the people, but even if it was, they were Nami's Villagers), and told a lie like he was fighting against Chuu and not running away.–- Update From New Post Merge ---
Can you remind me of this one?
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He didn't know yet that Genzo was related to Nami.
Only after Nojiko told their story.But he new that Nojiko was Nami sister and Nojiko went there trying to stop Arlong. In the end he just made a shot, lied and than run away.
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Please, no Haki for Usopp. Let him keep defeating his enemies through cunning and… hmm... ridiculousness (how I miss his curses).
Also, I wonder if CoA would work for him, since he is not using bullets anymore (at least not frequently) but living beings.
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the possibilities for Usopp to learn any kind of haki are as high as the possibilities for Chopper to have two DF's, or Nami to learn Tekkai and Soru.
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the possibilities for Usopp to learn any kind of haki are as high as the possibilities for Chopper to have two DF's, or Nami to learn Tekkai and Soru.
Higher. If he's to be a brave warrior of the sea, he's bound to use some form of Haki eventually. Like any other New World veteran.
Unless you meant now, on Dressrosa, then no.
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It took only three chapter for Usopp to save guys he met only a few hours ago(maybe less than an hour). Meeting that consisted into Usopp being captured and obliged to lie in order to avoid being killed or naked (or both). And Usopp still think that Franky is on his way so he did not have to risk his life until the situation was critical.
I don't think that Usopp's character has regressed, it might have been even weirder if he had saved them before that point. But obviously time can be really long when you wait for a scene that is definitely going to happen.
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Usopp learning haki would be fine. Usopp learning haki NOW seems like a pretty big stretch honestly.
I see the fight playing out like this: Trebol will serve as the muscle and an obstacle in the way of getting to Sugar. He'll most likely beat up Usopp pretty damn good like every other major fight that Usopp has been in, but he'll take out Sugar at the very last possible moment. Then the toys will change back to their former selves and gang up on Trebol, thus taking him out.
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@Panda:
Legitimate question here: is that not completely redundant? Cowardice, by its very nature, is a selfish motivator.
Well, if we're approaching this philosophically, how would we classify someone who is visibly shaking at some giant foe, but vows to not to escape for their friends? Your point would imply they`re not being a "coward"…just scared. I dunno, it is some weird grey area I'm missing?
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As much as I hate being a tyrant and suppressing your freedom of speech on these forums, it really is time to give this topic a rest. It had its chance last week, and it has been given more than enough time this chapter already, so if you _must_ continue it then take it to PM or if absolutely necessary find a more appropriate thread.
Oh, I said something about their posts before reading this post, am I in trouble? Should I remove my posts?
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Oh, I said something about their posts before reading this post, am I in trouble? Should I remove my posts?
Yes, in fact, you're FIRED. You have until the end of the day to clear your desk.
Pretty sure brennen just wanted the quoted people (myself included) to stop letting it escalate the way that it was.
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It was a drag to read through that useless bickering, especially since it didn't contain almost nothing that wasn't in the last chapter discussion.
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It was a drag arguing it, too, for the same reason. I should know better not to get so invested in the debates at this point.
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@jabso:
Really??
But that ending…..just had no suspense:-PIt got me excited anyways, I was looking forward to Kyros' flashback.
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Did anyone take a look at hq raw?
Because I can't make out for sure what the situation on the ring, displayed in Suit room, is from this page:
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On the upper right corner of the screen is the part of the ring and the audience that got damaged by Burgess.
But on the lower right it looks like a big chunk of the ring is destroyed. It could be smoke, I guess, but it doesn't look like it is, to me anyway. The texture (for lack of a better word) is same as the one of the destroyed part of the audience.
Anyway, I think a raw image might shed more light on this.
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Hey Oda, that's a really nice tie you have drawn there
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First pic from Kyros flashback, second from B block!
Ouw! I am Suuuuuper! Oda is not bad either! -
Yeah, seems like the finals are pretty intense. The whole Colosseum is getting 'molished.
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Hey Oda, that's a really nice tie you have drawn there
! http://img15.hostingpics.net/pics/747583onepiece4087811.jpg
Ouw! I am Suuuuuper! Oda is not bad either!Nice catch, Ram!
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Hey Oda, that's a really nice tie you have drawn there
! http://img15.hostingpics.net/pics/747583onepiece4087811.jpg
Ouw! I am Suuuuuper! Oda is not bad either!haha awesome catch ! gj
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Nice catch man, so for those wondering if this old man was talking about Kyros or not, I guess this answers the question.
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Hey Oda, that's a really nice tie you have drawn there
! http://img15.hostingpics.net/pics/747583onepiece4087811.jpg
First pic from Kyros flashback, second from B block!
Ouw! I am Suuuuuper! Oda is not bad either!Oda is amazing… I struggle to think of any mangaka that pays more attention to details than him.
You're also amazing for noticing this.
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Oda is amazing… I struggle to think of any mangaka that pays more attention to details than him.
You're also amazing for noticing this.
even the face has similar features…..a little scary how good he can be...
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Hey Oda, that's a really nice tie you have drawn there
! http://img15.hostingpics.net/pics/747583onepiece4087811.jpg
First pic from Kyros flashback, second from B block!
Ouw! I am Suuuuuper! Oda is not bad either!Holy crap! That's amazing. Oda's attention to detail is really top-notch
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Hey Oda, that's a really nice tie you have drawn there
! http://img15.hostingpics.net/pics/747583onepiece4087811.jpg
First pic from Kyros flashback, second from B block!
Ouw! I am Suuuuuper! Oda is not bad either!Great catch buddy.
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Don't know if there's any other author who would give such detail to non-important characters.
That was a nice tie-in too.
Great catch!
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Don't know if there's any other author who would give such detail to non-important characters.
That was a nice tie-in too.
Great catch!
Togashi is that man!
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Togashi is that man!
Don't talk about Togashi, please, know you reminded me that I'll never see an ending for HxH. :sad:
Edit:
I was just wondering why HxH have so many hiatuses, then I found this.
Hunter X Hunter is a manga turned anime about a boy named Gon aiming to become a Hunter like his father. The manga is most known for its excruciating hiatuses, an art style which consists mainly of scribbles, and its uncanny resemblance to Ranma ½. The anime was released in 1999, so pretty much before you were born. Legend says the manga version is still continuing, but new episodes have years between releases as the author Yoshihiro Togashi spends an average of 80 hours a day playing Final Fantasy XI.
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Did anyone take a look at hq raw? […] It could be smoke, I guess, but it doesn't look like it is, to me anyway.
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Plot twist: Usopp somehow makes Sugar touch Trebol. Then when Sugar gets knocked out, Trebol curbstomps an unexpecting Usopp in the blink of an eye.
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Plot twist: Usopp somehow makes Sugar touch Trebol. Then when Sugar gets knocked out, Trebol curbstomps an unexpecting Usopp in the blink of an eye.
And then all the toys in the area(including Robin) turn to normal and proceed to curbstomp Trebol
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[hide]http://oi57.tinypic.com/21jxgm1.jpg[/hide]Just smoke, except for the one that Burgess damaged. Nothings really clear though, either way.
Thanks for posting that, Brennen. Hopefully we'll get to see some more Colosseum action in the next couple chapters. I want to see Sabo and Jesus fighting!
