Wow!
Is that a spoiler? Best chapter in years
Wow!
Is that a spoiler? Best chapter in years
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shhhh don't tell 2ch or narutoasylum that we got the spoiler here first for the next chapter.
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shhhh don't tell 2ch or narutoasylum that we got the spoiler here first for the next chapter.
More spoilers coming in
The author not intending something doesn't make it not meaningful to find. It's not to the credit of the author, nor is it likely to never get contradicted, but it's still meaningful, right?
this is a stupid statement, if you spend enough time and effort (and for some, smoking enough weed) you can find symbolism in anything. A good enough writer could watch shawshank redemption and find a way to twist the words to talking about how it's supporting fascism and the nanzi regime if they wanted to. All they have to do is find a few instances they can vaguely make coincide and ignore any of the obvious messages of being about hope and not giving up, and maybe throw in one instance where they show that and then throw in a counter argument, which of course if anyone sensible was stating there opinion they'd rip it apart… but there not and your hearing a one sided argument (which is the basic concept of why conspiracy videos have rotted the brains of so many Americans... seriously though, if I hear another person tell me to watch a video on how 9/11 and the marathon bombing were conspiracy's by the government I'm going to scream)
so my point is even though you can make an argument about something being symbolic and meaningful it can be utter bullshit and malarkey... and people are stupid enough to believe it so long as no one with common sense, decent debate skills, and the need to educate the unenlightened, comes along and rips there theory to shreds.... and sadly there are still people stupid enough to believe it :sad:
there's a good south park episode on this actually, where they write a really gruesome and disgusting story just to be vulgar and blame it on another kid (butters) only for them to find out that people believe it's some deep and meaningful philosophy on politics, spirituality or whatever they link it to
in short, don't buy into crappy symbolism that isn't there, ridiculous conspiracy theories, anything written in a tabloid magazine or Reese Witherspoon
EDIT: somehow I feel a new thread title coming
This is my reaction to 9/11 Conspiracy Theories.
This is my reaction to 9/11 Conspiracy Theories.
it's honestly sad how many people belive this shit, and I'm already hearing stuff about the marathon bombers being innocent, like government agents were seen putting back packs into those garbage cans, then when you ask them what about the pictures of the Terrorists putting the bags in the garbage can they say it's to convenient for them to have been caught on camera, it seems fishy… but of course it doesn't seem the least bit ridiculous to them that government agents wouldn't have delted such video footage or planned it out better so they never got caught.... it's really fucking stupid
this is a stupid statement,
This is not the best way to start a post.
if you spend enough time and effort (and for some, smoking enough weed) you can find symbolism in anything. A good enough writer could watch shawshank redemption and find a way to twist the words to talking about how it's supporting fascism and the nanzi regime if they wanted to. All they have to do is find a few instances they can vaguely make coincide and ignore any of the obvious messages of being about hope and not giving up, and maybe throw in one instance where they show that and then throw in a counter argument, which of course if anyone sensible was stating there opinion they'd rip it apart… but there not and your hearing a one sided argument
I do really doubt anyone could manage that lol.
so my point is even though you can make an argument about something being symbolic and meaningful it can be utter bullshit and malarkey… and people are stupid enough to believe it so long as no one with common sense, decent debate skills, and the need to educate the unenlightened, comes along and rips there theory to shreds.... and sadly there are still people stupid enough to believe it :sad:
I don't know if you just completely missed the point of my post or what. The perceived symbolism not holding up to scrutiny due to factors inside the work are one thing. Given that it does (and I didn't actually read the super long thing in the first place), it doesn't really matter whether or not it was intentional; it still holds water as an interpretation.
in short, don't buy into crappy symbolism that isn't there, ridiculous conspiracy theories, anything written in a tabloid magazine or Reese Witherspoon
Same again; I'm assuming it is there.
@Cyan:
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Tell 'em… that you have crappy tastes.
It's Nardo's BIRTHDAY?! And…we're doing nothing? How disappointing.
It's Nardo's BIRTHDAY?! And…we're doing nothing? How disappointing.
This kid has the right idea
Apparently it's been Naruto's birthday for the last like fifty chapters but nobody cares and still doesn't care.
The art was really good; content was slightly above average. My opinion, of course.
What the hell happened lol? So much monologue and dialogue lately, yhis is getting nowhere. And where did that sword come from? Or yhis ugly form?
I like that Naruto's "closest friends" decided to help defeat Obito (even though I think that technically any 9 random people would've suffied), and yet Sakura still did nothing but watch.
Another flashback incoming in Naruto or is this fight finished?
This chapter had Kyubi-Cloaked-Tenten. I'm satisfied!:ninja:
I snorted at Obitos DNA sword
and I still don't fully grasp why absorbing the Juubi gives you the powers of the sage. I get that he's the son of someone who ate the holy chakra fruit but…that fruit was removed from the Juubi. When was Juubi + sage mixed up again?
@The:
I snorted at Obitos DNA sword
and I still don't fully grasp why absorbing the Juubi gives you the powers of the sage. I get that he's the son of someone who ate the holy chakra fruit but…that fruit was removed from the Juubi. When was Juubi + sage mixed up again?
The logic about Juubi and Sage of six path make as much logic as the bible! Like, Sage of six path created the world with that sword, but before that the world already existed!
P.S: People that believe in the bible and this it makes a lot of logic, please don't attack me, I don't want to enter into that kind of discussion here!
So many holes to fill the holes that needed to be filled.
Don't care, this was cool.
I like that Naruto's "closest friends" decided to help defeat Obito (even though I think that technically any 9 random people would've suffied), and yet Sakura still did nothing but watch.
and Neji is still dead.
isn't that Sage was the Juubi's jinchuuriki.. that was their connection.. even without his mom ate chakra fruit bullshit story, sage was already connected with juubi in the first place..
on this week chapter, i don't know which one is worst, Fairy tail friendship solve everything or take this in your face fake friendship in this week naruto.
Why d'you guys not tell me Bleach is out ?
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@No:
Why d'you guys not tell me Bleach is out ?
Who knows…....
http://www.mangareader.net/bleach/553/14
http://www.mangapanda.com/bleach/553/14
Except, you know, the self conscious human-like personality that is the source of the bankai ?
http://www.mangareader.net/bleach/553/19 Oh no ! If only I had the ability to easily absorb spirit particles which is what all animate and inanimate objects in this dimension are made out of, including my opponent, oh woe with me !
Well, that was close.
For a second there I thought soi fon's vc was actually going to have to step up and not be useless.
And for someone who, apparently, hates their bankai because it goes against their entire fighting style, soi fon sure can't beat an enemy without it.
Good god I hate everything about soi fon and her squad.
Edit: really hope machine gun quincy isn't dead. His design was actually sweet in this chapter (-_-)
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@the:
Well, that was close.
For a second there I thought soi fon's vc was actually going to have to step up and not be useless.
And for someone who, apparently, hates their bankai because it goes against their entire fighting style, soi fon sure can't beat an enemy without it.
Good god I hate everything about soi fon and her squad.
Edit: really hope machine gun quincy isn't dead. His design was actually sweet in this chapter (-_-)
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funny part is that her shikai is way more powerful than her bankai. You know that crap "if i touch the same place twice you will die". But no i have to get to my bankai because its impossible to kill any enemy without it.
edit. Nah and Blah IV: Its all in genes
funny part is that her shikai is way more powerful than her bankai. You know that crap "if i touch the same place twice you will die". But no i have to get to my bankai because its impossible to kill any enemy without it.
Her shikai is overrated and isn't as efficient as you say. Otherwise she would have used it instead of shunkou and bankai.
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Seriously wtf is that DNA sword.
Her shikai is overrated and isn't as efficient as you say. Otherwise she would have used it instead of shunkou and bankai.
Supposedly her Shikai was pretty good to kill individual people while her Bankai to kill people in a area. You could say her Bankai is stronger, but against only one enemy she could very well do with only her shikai.
The question is, why doesn't she use it?
Her shikai is overrated and isn't as efficient as you say. Otherwise she would have used it instead of shunkou and bankai.
overrated? Please do tell how exactly. You know nothing about it except the explanation you got the first time which pretty much was op against any single opponent.
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Seriously wtf is that DNA sword.
fixed it for you.
overrated? Please do tell how exactly. You know nothing about it except the explanation you got the first time which pretty much was op against any single opponent.
Why do I have to explain… Aizen nullified its effect and proved that it isn't as powerful as she claimed for it to be. Besides, if it was then she wouldn't be so focused on attacking vitals with it, like she did vs Yourichi, arrancar and Aizen.
Either way if we assume that quincies have similiar level of speed with captains, then getting 2 hits in same place under fair conditions shouldn't be possible, not until they let their guard down. However this quincy knew about her abilities and he uses ranged attacks, so it isn't a viable tactic to attempt to fight him with that shikai and instead it's a risky task to even get close to him. She can't block his attacks with that skikai after all.
Do I need to explain how her bankai is more effective than her shikai still? All she have to do is to aim and pull the trigger.
Why do I have to explain… Aizen nullified its effect and proved that it isn't as powerful as she claimed for it to be. Besides, if it was then she wouldn't be so focused on attacking vitals with it, like she did vs Yourichi, arrancar and Aizen.
Either way if we assume that quincies have similiar level of speed with captains, then getting 2 hits in same place under fair conditions shouldn't be possible, not until they let their guard down. However this quincy knew about her abilities and he uses ranged attacks, so it isn't a viable tactic to attempt to fight him with that shikai and instead it's a risky task to even get close to him. She can't block his attacks with that skikai after all.Do I need to explain how her bankai is more effective than her shikai still? All she have to do is to aim and pull the trigger.
@aizen was a special case so you cant compare him to the rest
i really dont want to join a stupid argument about things i dont care but wasnt it stated that she is proud of her speed and that she is by far fastest of the captains. excluding an option before trying it is just plain wrong
@aizen was a special case so you cant compare him to the rest
i really dont want to join a stupid argument about things i dont care but wasnt it stated that she is proud of her speed and that she is by far fastest of the captains. excluding an option before trying it is just plain wrong
I think that was very early in series when she was still a pretty cocky brat.
Stupid argument? I don't really understand what do you mean by that, except for you not wanting to bother discussing Bleach.
Aizen said that he nullfillied it easily with his reiatsu. Quincies have been freely studying shinigami's abilities for xxx years, including all their battles. The main problem is that before all events on manga began, most captains were OP enough with too few threatening enemies, so it's very likely that they didn't have a decent battle experience for gettng to know limits of their abilities. For someone with such level of power as those captains it would be easy to degrade their basic understanding of combat, since they don't have to worry about efficiency of their techniques for enemies not being able to keep up with them anyway.
Why do I have to explain… Aizen nullified its effect and proved that it isn't as powerful as she claimed for it to be. Besides, if it was then she wouldn't be so focused on attacking vitals with it, like she did vs Yourichi, arrancar and Aizen.
Either way if we assume that quincies have similiar level of speed with captains, then getting 2 hits in same place under fair conditions shouldn't be possible, not until they let their guard down. However this quincy knew about her abilities and he uses ranged attacks, so it isn't a viable tactic to attempt to fight him with that shikai and instead it's a risky task to even get close to him. She can't block his attacks with that skikai after all.Do I need to explain how her bankai is more effective than her shikai still? All she have to do is to aim and pull the trigger.
The best way to fight a long range enemy is getting close to him, just Saying!
The best way to fight a long range enemy is getting close to him, just Saying!
He doesn't shoot just from his arms, he shoots from everywhere on his body.
Stupid argument?
i just mean that its bleach and there is nothing concrete in the manga. thats why any discussion cant be based on anything. Kubo will just come and say you "know that thing i wrote earlier about 1+1=2 well fuck it none of it is true its actually 1+1=5".
Her shikai is overrated and isn't as efficient as you say. Otherwise she would have used it instead of shunkou and bankai.
This is not argumentation! And you know what our problem is? That her shikai is super efficient and she completely neglected to use it!
Why do I have to explain… Aizen nullified its effect and proved that it isn't as powerful as she claimed for it to be.
Aizen was fucking Aizen, and he very specifically did not get hit by it (Hinamori pincushion, remember?). He used his haxx hypnosis to dodge an obscenely powerful insta-kill ability- an ability Soifon chose to use against him over her bankai. What does that tell you about her shikais effectiveness?
Besides, if it was then she wouldn't be so focused on attacking vitals with it, like she did vs Yourichi, arrancar and Aizen.
What? The whole point of the Yourichi battle was that the latter got covered head to toe in "first-hit" marks. By the end, Soifon could have hit Yourichi almost anywhere on her body and won. With the arrancar, it just goes to show that with her super speed, she can literally unify the two-hit kill into a 1 hit unblockable kill.
Either way if we assume that quincies have similiar level of speed with captains, then getting 2 hits in same place under fair conditions shouldn't be possible, not until they let their guard down.
You mean like the time Soifon punched Roboquincy in the gut with her superspeed? Where she could have just as easily insta-killed him like that arrancar? And boy howdy the quincy was a speedster, not dodging an incredibly obvious bazooka shot slowly aimed by a half dead opponent.
However this quincy knew about her abilities and he uses ranged attacks, so it isn't a viable tactic to attempt to fight him with that shikai and instead it's a risky task to even get close to him.
She did get close to him. And closing the distance to someone using ranged attacks is the opposite of a bad idea, its not like he was fucking barragan where standing next to him was a problem.
She can't block his attacks with that skikai after all.
She can "Block" tentacles and energy beams with her shitty bazooka, which is far more cumbersome and less mobile than her usual fighting style?
Do I need to explain how her bankai is more effective than her shikai still? All she have to do is to aim and pull the trigger.
ITS JUST A FUCKING BEAM SPAM. Literally just a roided up bazooka, and for all its hype it wasn't what finished barragan despite a direct hit. And a big, extremely obvious bazooka does not mesh well with Soifons hypersonic fighting style, where she can blitz past an opponent and leave them instantly dead in her wake, like the time she totally did that, and just like she could have done here.
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The worst thing is that there isn't even a throwaway "why I didn't use my shikai" explanation. Its not even mentioned as a potential option for Soifon.
Yay the rookies are doing something, it just hard to understand who was who the all time.
So this why Neji is dead, not enough tails for everyone.:ninja:
I'm not sure why they were needed in the tails at all
Like, they all…activated the rasengans? They jumped out of the tails into the shield? The Kyusanoo couldn't just shoot rasengans from the tails?
Eh whatever, seems like a "decisive blow" at least. Now Obito can wallow in redemption-pity for a few months, while Madara usurps his position as Main Baddie (no one seriously believes this is the end, right?)
He doesn't shoot just from his arms, he shoots from everywhere on his body.
That doesn't change anything! Targeting moving things closer is harder.
@The:
This is not argumentation! And you know what our problem is? That her shikai is super efficient and she completely neglected to use it!
It's same level of argumentation as stating that "her shikai is super efficient", although I guess you think that way because she had said few cocky lines during early stage of series.
@The:
Aizen was fucking Aizen, and he very specifically did not get hit by it (Hinamori pincushion, remember?). He used his haxx hypnosis to dodge an obscenely powerful insta-kill ability- an ability Soifon chose to use against him over her bankai. What does that tell you about her shikais effectiveness?
He said that he nullified it with his reiatsu and that shinigami fights are fights of reiatsu. When he said that, I remembered that in her fight vs Yourichi she said that she had finally mastered her shikai, therefore I made a speculation it's more likely because her amount of reiatsu is grown, hence she became more powerful in comparison with victims of this ability. Therefore I think that it's very likely that this ability don't work against opponents with sufficient amount of reiatsu to nullify it.
@The:
What? The whole point of the Yourichi battle was that the latter got covered head to toe in "first-hit" marks. By the end, Soifon could have hit Yourichi almost anywhere on her body and won. With the arrancar, it just goes to show that with her super speed, she can literally unify the two-hit kill into a 1 hit unblockable kill.
I think you're misunderstanding something. Real fighters aren't playing around like this, she went for kill seriously, but ended up missing her mark hit by hit. She eventually concluded that her shikai isn't enough to beat Yourichi and therefore switched to shunko. Fighters exchanging over 9000 blows is something introduced by fillers in anime in order to drag episodes longer.
@The:
You mean like the time Soifon punched Roboquincy in the gut with her superspeed? Where she could have just as easily insta-killed him like that arrancar? And boy howdy the quincy was a speedster, not dodging an incredibly obvious bazooka shot slowly aimed by a half dead opponent.
She did get close to him. And closing the distance to someone using ranged attacks is the opposite of a bad idea, its not like he was fucking barragan where standing next to him was a problem.
It was before she figured out his real strength, so she wasn't too worried about risks of getting close. Once he started using his full power, it became into a different story.
Well, good luck at trying to dance to dodge shotgun barrel aimed at your legs.
@The:
She can "Block" tentacles and energy beams with her shitty bazooka, which is far more cumbersome and less mobile than her usual fighting style?
? Why would she use her "bazooka" to block anything, it's a weapon to kill with 1 shot.
@The:
ITS JUST A FUCKING BEAM SPAM. Literally just a roided up bazooka, and for all its hype it wasn't what finished barragan despite a direct hit. And a big, extremely obvious bazooka does not mesh well with Soifons hypersonic fighting style, where she can blitz past and apponent and leave them instantly dead in her wake, like the time she totally did that, and just like she could have done her.
Obviously is not, because she wouldn't fire it if she didn't have confidence for it to hit its target. I think you've watched too much anime where it is animated in way like it appears to be dodgeable.
That doesn't change anything! Targeting moving things closer is harder.
Like I wrote about dancing to dodge a shotgun…
This crap that closing in to ranged enemy is way to go is because once you get close they're forced to use their arms for defense instead of shooting. He don't have such flaw and can shoot various things from many parts and angles of his body.
It's same level of argumentation as stating that "her shikai is super efficient", although I guess you think that way because she had said few cocky lines during early stage of series.
Her shikais ability was literally defined as "two hits and you're dead", and we've had it demonstrated to be true. That is absurdly effective.
And your argumentation is flawed because it removes all responsibility from the author, and paves over virtually any problem as if it didn't exist with a non-answer.
"Theres a totally good reason why all the top-tier shinigami didn't use their bankais against Aizen!
I don't know what it is, but they must have had one, otherwise they would have used them!"
Thats not an argument in any way shape or form.
He said that he nullified it with his reiatsu and that shinigami fights are fights of reiatsu.
That is totally irrelevant, since Aizen was never hit. Hinamori was.
When he said that, I remembered that in her fight vs Yourichi she said that she had finally mastered her shikai, therefore I made a speculation it's more likely because her amount of reiatsu is grown, hence she became more powerful in comparison with victims of this ability. Therefore I think that it's very likely that this ability don't work against opponents with sufficient amount of reiatsu to nullify it.
I think you're misunderstanding something. Real fighters aren't playing around like this, she went for kill seriously, but ended up missing her mark hit by hit. She eventually concluded that her shikai isn't enough to beat Yourichi and therefore switched to shunko. Fighters exchanging over 9000 blows is something introduced by fillers in anime in order to drag episodes longer.
Of course Soifon didn't intend to hit Yourichi all over, thats not the point of her ability. It was just a result of both fighters being insanely fast. But hey, you know whos' ability is tailor made for going for the kill instantly, and not prolonging fights?
Soifons shikai.
Like the time she instantly obliterated that arrancar when she finally decided to use her bloody shikai. Funny that you keep ignoring that bit.
It was before she figured out his real strength, so she wasn't too worried about risks of getting close. Once he started using his full power, it became into a different story.
Maybe if Soifon had "went for the kill seriously" with her shikai from the start instead of using an objectively subpar move like a moron, in the middle of an exceptionally huge crisis, then she would have never had a problem.
Well, good luck at trying to dance to dodge shotgun barrel aimed at your legs.
He was at some random building roof suddenly, having teleported there in a shitty panel transition. He was looking down from a roof at a half-dead girl aiming an obvious firearm at him. We even had time to see the missile fly towards him.
? Why would she use her "bazooka" to block anything,
You said that she couldn't "Block his moves" with her shikai. This is true, but she can't do that with her bankai either, and her ability to dodge is hindered.
it's a weapon to kill with 1 shot.
Like it killed Barragan? And its just a powerful energy blast. Certain kills is no guarantee; unlike her fucking shikai
Obviously is not, because she wouldn't fire it if she didn't have confidence for it to hit its target.
There it is again
I think you've watched too much anime where it is animated in way like it appears to be dodgeable.
I watch close to no anime anymore.
And when Kubo draws his manga in a way where we are shown the missile travelling towards a character before hitting- characters with established near instantaneous flash steps- then yes, it is presented in a highly dodgeable way. Instead, the Quincy is standing completely still, despite a bazooka obviously being pointed at him.
How is there an argument about this when she herself said that's what it does and demonstrated it to us ?
Like, what else is there to debate ?
Can we just get back to how Kubo is now semi-aware that sword spirits exist but still decides to treat them as unpeople ?
Since when her skinai is better than her shunko? And she can block attacks with her shunko, which acts as a defense and offense at same time.
Anyway I don't have fun discussing this so I'll stop. I feel like you're saying that I'm spitting bullshit instead of having a proper discussion.
WOW!!!
Naruto is turning into a Shoujo manga! That friendship attack was sooo lame for a shounen but great for a shoujo. And why the heck is Kakashi NOT doing anything but just sit there and do the talk for us … get out and DO SOMETHING!!! Hopefully now that they hit Obito the war can come to an end ...
Bleach ... boring! Why focus on those 2 captains again? Give us other characters!! It's like Kubo is repeating what happened in FKT ... endless loop of I am WAY better than you and 2 panel fights ...
So, 3 more chapters for Naruto, right?
Sigh….I'm depressed. Not just because of the chapters.
Bleach: Hitsugaya and Soifon regain their Bankais, the end.
….Fine, I'll sum up. Quincy Zuko questions his loss and Hitsugaya responds with "maybe he wanted to come back". Oh, really? I appreciate you being spiritual (no pun intended), but it was Urahara's lolscience that did this. Also it's odd how the Bankai is literally hollowified; Kubo is trying to bring back the plotpoint of zanpakutou spirits being….there....at the same time....not really.
Battle was okay, I guess.
Soifon's situation just puzzles me, really. She doesn't even like the missile launcher, and while obviously getting a destructive nuke out of the hands of a homicidal robot Quincy is important.....why can't she just use the damn Shikai? Why didn't she use the damn Shikai? We know it works; Yoruichi and Aizen both avoided it but she offed Ggio Vega with it, no problem.
Anyway….next chapter will probably have....more of these fights (ugh, a trump card maybe?) and possibly Komamura getting his Bankai back from the loli.
Naruto: We're in the final stretch!
Obito monologues some more, gets a….sword?, and Kakashi (remember him?) thinks out loud.
Really, the funniest part was Naruto and his buddies all throwing the Rasengan at the Juubi. Because.....it's just absurd, and too cheesy for me. You string them along, give them selective moments to be relevant and most of the time, they aren't….but gotta make them take down the final boss!
So.....good one, Kishi? Or not?