The marines can't go into the colosseum
They already have agents in there monitoring things
If their scouts tell them that some real shit is going down then i doubt the sanctity of Doffy's play house is gonna matter
The marines can't go into the colosseum
They already have agents in there monitoring things
If their scouts tell them that some real shit is going down then i doubt the sanctity of Doffy's play house is gonna matter
Nothing too unusual is happening though? The presence of Luffy and Burgess isn't enough for them to break in. They'll just wait until the pirates leave the colosseum. Shit won't go down until that factory is destroyed.
I'm sure Luffy won't fail that soon. He'll get that damn fruit from Dofla.
Sanji gets it, official prediction.
What they were referring to was the idea that if things aren't panning out in the favor of the Blackbeard Pirates there's really no reason Burgess can't just say fuck it to the rules and forcibly take the fruit.
I mean yeah there's a lot less hassle in just winning the fruit legally (as legal as anything regarding Doflamingo gets anyways) but otherwise we aren't given any explicit reason as of yet as to why Burgess can't just take it and run if shit starts to go south.
My point is even if shit goes south, the fruit is still not there for taking. There is still Diamante and the other four. And there is still Luffy. Luffy doesn't have anything to do on this island other than to get Mera Mera or should I say keep Mera Mera from BB.
[http://www.mangapanda.com/one-piece/721/14
D](http://www.mangapanda.com/one-piece/721/14)iamante was on the left side, with the spade guy on the right so it's entirely possible for diamante to fight Sanji, and zoro to fight spade guy. (would also be a good way for sanji to rightfully win the mera mera from the champion).
Although, who will fight Trebol then?
Spade in spanish means espada which also means sword so it's highly likely that Zoro will fight him.
I'm sure others would have called it but…
Coby will get it, so he can defeat Akainu and become an admiral near the end of the series, giving us vengeance for Ace dying by Akainu's 'superior' power on the way.
I'm sure others would have called it but…
Coby will get it, so he can defeat Akainu and become an admiral near the end of the series, giving us vengeance for Ace dying by Akainu's 'superior' power on the way.
Roger's kid getting outclassed by a pink-haired former cabin boy would be pretty lame.
My point is even if shit goes south, the fruit is still not there for taking. There is still Diamante and the other four. And there is still Luffy. Luffy doesn't have anything to do on this island other than to get Mera Mera or should I say keep Mera Mera from BB.
Yes as things are right this second, but say the factory blows up from underneath the stadium after the round(s) involving the block winners and the Dofla family?
That would most likely leave Diamante and maybe 1 other family member. Who would be a hell of a lot more worried about getting down there and stopping the destruction of the factory, than keeping an eye on the Mera Mera.
Sanji gets it, official prediction.
It would really be awesome if Luffy somehow understands the situation from Sanji ( Who pops up into the D Block ) and tells Luffy to go help Law or something !? And then Luffy leaves the fruit to Sanji .. That would show how much Luffy have belief in his crews power :)
Anyway even if he wins it all by himself it would be ok :)
So noone believes that Luffy might just keep the mera² like Shanks kept the gomu²?
So noone believes that Luffy might just keep the mera² like Shanks kept the gomu²?
I personally think that's one of the outcomes.
A) Luffy wins the fruit, post-Dressrosa the crew decides to hang on to it as a momento…..then later down the line, Luffy buries it at Ace's grave.
B) Burgess wins/steals the fruit, leaves, giving Luffy another reason to hate Blackbeard
All this talk of Sanji/Coby/Rebecca/whothehellelse eating the fruit has made me woozy.....
What like keep it in a box and talk to it like it's his dead brother?
Well that wasn't what I was thinking.
But the thing is that I believe if Luffy gets it he'll offer it to his crew, wich will refuse (Zoro/Sanji will say no because they don't need it, Nami/Usopp because that would put them in the position of having to face danger so they will choose to stay on the background). Honestly, I believe Luffy will give it to someone later on as a recognition of valour or (don't kill me please, i know) give it to Sabo.
Spade in spanish means espada which also means sword so it's highly likely that Zoro will fight him.
spade means picas if you're talking about the english/french deck or pala is you're talking about the tool for digging.
espada means sword, never spade, it's a false friend.
the spanish deck does have a suit of swords(espadas), don't let that confuse you.
Well I don't know you guys but Sabo might end up having a Zoan type Devil Fruit (mythical or not)
Let's see
1)either Luffy will somehow eat it and become a dual DF user like Blackbeard- something he can do because of the D-
or 2)the next crewmember will eat it
or 3)Sunny will eat it.
Cavendish will eat it and join the crew
spade means picas if you're talking about the english/french deck or pala is you're talking about the tool for digging.
espada means sword, never spade, it's a false friend.the spanish deck does have a suit of swords(espadas), don't let that confuse you.
you are wrong. in some spanish speaking countries spade is picas, in others it is espada.
just google "A de Espada"
you will get images of the ace of spade
Noooo! Sanji will fight Trebol(the ugly asz logia dude), everyone thinks he's disgusting and Violet is working under Trebol so I can see Trebol punishing Violet for not dealing with Sanji then Sanji avenging her.
you are wrong. in some spanish speaking countries spade is picas, in others it is espada.
just google "A de Espada"
you will get images of the ace of spade
the only place that I know that use spade as picas is Spain, I'm from an Hispanic country myself and I've never heard of that world before
Noooo! Sanji will fight Trebol(the ugly asz logia dude), everyone thinks he's disgusting and Violet is working under Trebol so I can see Trebol punishing Violet for not dealing with Sanji then Sanji avenging her.
Sanji fighting Trebol is still possible, especially if he's under the colosseum at the factory. But there's also the chance of Oda continuing his pattern of sanji vs martial artist, and zoro vs swordsman which i assume are Diamante and Spades guy. They were also positioned left and right of the stage last chapter(so possibly DD's left-hand and right-hand members), while Trebol was in the front center. But ofcourse then this leaves someone else to deal with Trebol and i don't think Luffy will fight him.
Sanji fighting Trebol is still possible, especially if he's under the colosseum at the factory. But there's also the chance of Oda continuing his pattern of sanji vs martial artist, and zoro vs swordsman which i assume are Diamante and Spades guy. They were also positioned left and right of the stage last chapter(so possibly DD's left-hand and right-hand members), while Trebol was in the front center. But ofcourse then this leaves someone else to deal with Trebol and i don't think Luffy will fight him.
Daimentai was sitting in the middle while the other two was on left and right.
Daimentai was sitting in the middle while the other two was on left and right.
No, Diamante was in the right
No, Diamante was in the right
! Dofla also standing in the middle, if you haven't noticed but Oda 80% of the time always foreshadow Luffy, Zoro and Sanji opponents by putting the main villain in middle while others on the side left for Sanji, right for Zoro. So Dolfa and Diamentai in middle meaning Luffy will fight Dofla and Diamentai.
! http://i996.mangapanda.com/one-piece/700/one-piece-3945933.jpg
Ohh, I'm talking about the last chapter because he was talking about the last chapter
Daimentai was sitting in the middle while the other two was on left and right.
http://www.mangapanda.com/one-piece/721/14 well in this one Diamante and the spade guy were left and right of DD. The position we saw in chapter 700, http://www.mangapanda.com/one-piece/700/20, i always looked at it as the order of weakest to strongest(left to right). So it would make sense for sanji and zoro to fight the 2 strongest seats, and maybe a team fight of some of the other SH vs Trebol. That's just how i looked at it.
http://www.mangapanda.com/one-piece/721/14 well in this one Diamante and the spade guy were left and right of DD. The position we saw in chapter 700, http://www.mangapanda.com/one-piece/700/20, i always looked at it as the order of weakest to strongest(left to right). So it would make sense for sanji and zoro to fight the 2 strongest seats, and maybe a team fight of some of the other SH vs Trebol. That's just how i looked at it.
Nothing like order of weakest, me I'm talking about where all the Card seats members are shown. Cuz that's the real scene.
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http://www.mangapanda.com/one-piece/721/14 well in this one Diamante and the spade guy were left and right of DD. The position we saw in chapter 700, http://www.mangapanda.com/one-piece/700/20, i always looked at it as the order of weakest to strongest(left to right). So it would make sense for sanji and zoro to fight the 2 strongest seats, and maybe a team fight of some of the other SH vs Trebol. That's just how i looked at it.
And none of the other Strawhats even have haki, so nope they can't team up and beat Trebol… Only Monster trio has haki and I can't see Luffy or Zoro fighting that disgusting guy logia Trebol.
Nothing like order of weakest, me I'm talking about where all the Card seats members are shown. Cuz that's the real scene.
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And none of the other Strawhats even have haki, so nope they can't team up and beat Trebol... Only Monster trio has haki and I can't see Luffy or Zoro fighting that disgusting guy logia Trebol.
I saw the order of the 4 seats as weakest to strongest. DD expected Law to be the heart seat and assumed he was weaker than vergo, so it fits with my order of strength idea. Of course, i could be wrong about the strength. Although many seem to agree that Trebol is the weakest.
I wouldn't mind seeing some of the old fashioned ways of figuring out a logia's weakness type of fight, kind of like Luffy vs Crocodile. I think Franky, Brooke, Kinemon, and possibly Kanjuro stand a chance 4 vs 1, if they could hurt Trebol.
I saw the order of the 4 seats as weakest to strongest. DD expected Law to be the heart seat and assumed he was weaker than vergo, so it fits with my order of strength idea. Of course, i could be wrong about the strength. Although many seem to agree that Trebol is the weakest.
I wouldn't mind seeing some of the old fashioned ways of figuring out a logia's weakness type of fight, kind of like Luffy vs Crocodile. I think Franky, Brooke, Kinemon, and possibly Kanjuro stand a chance 4 vs 1, if they could hurt Trebol.
DAFUQ you talking about? If Law was among the seat he will be the strongest seat guy.. According to card ranking- King, Queen, Joker(Doflamingo) then the rest Diamond(Diamentai), (Trebol), Heart, and Spade should be equal ranking…. And I don't know since when going from right to left means strongest to weakest and enlighten me on this people who thinks Trebol is the weakest?
That logia weakness stuff won't work much any, it doesn't apply to every logia. Now tell what will be the weakness to BB fruit logia? Or magma or ice or smoke or swamp tell me there weakness?
DAFUQ you talking about? If Law was among the seat he will be the strongest seat guy.. According to card ranking- King, Queen, Joker(Doflamingo) then the rest Diamond(Diamentai), (Trebol), Heart, and Spade should be equal ranking…. And I don't know since when going from right to left means strongest to weakest and enlighten me on this people who thinks Trebol is the weakest?
That logia weakness stuff won't work much any, it doesn't apply to every logia. Now tell what will be the weakness to BB fruit logia? Or magma or ice or smoke or swamp tell me there weakness?
I meant DD thought Law was weaker than vergo yet he was going to get a seat. However he turned out to be stronger, and more than likely is stronger than the seats now. A lot of people look at spades as the highest and clubs as the lowest(This is what most people say, I'm no expert when it comes to this). Also, i said the left to right strength thing was only my opinion. Also, diamante is getting hyped quite abit being calm even with Burgess and Luffy showing their strength, and spade guy is hyped up since we don't even know his name yet, potentially being the strongest seat. Trebol hasn't gotten anything since his intro. Then there's the martial artist and swordsman match-up pattern that Oda does.
The logia weakness was just an idea if the monster trio isn't fighting Trebol.
Sanji could end up fighting Trebol instead of Diamante since he is Violet's superior, while Luffy fights Diamante. Although i don't think Trebol is the one Violet wants dead, as i believe she would have mentioned that by now.
Anyways this threads for the mera mera, and i think if sanji does get to fight diamante, then he should get to keep the fruit. Beating the champion to get the fruit would be the best way to earn it.
That logia weakness stuff won't work much any, it doesn't apply to every logia. Now tell what will be the weakness to BB fruit logia? Or magma or ice or smoke or swamp tell me there weakness?
That he can't be intangible is his main weakness remember?
As for the rest ice can be melted, magma can be cooled down, smoke disperesed, and a swamp can be dried out
Not that i think they'll be going that route but their weaknesses aren't some unsolvable mysteries
Now that I think about it, what are weaknesses for particular fruits. I mean, how can you combat the Earthquake fruit through natural means aside from the solve-it-all haki/seastone? Likewise, the same goes for Mr 5's Bomb fruit (which…its potential is REALLY wasted on an uncreative guy like him which ironically was pointed out by Galdino). Sigh...Mr 5 was a total waste in terms of "Bomb" powers.
Shouldn't Luffy's rubber body be able to just vibrate along with the quakes?
Hopefully BB steals Mr.5s bomb fruit and gives it to 1 of his crewmembers. It really was wasted on that guy. A top tier could probably have atomic bomb level techniques with that fruit.
@wolfwoof:
Shouldn't Luffy's rubber body be able to just vibrate along with the quakes?
yeah…I don't know why, but I guess I wasn't thinking. If anyone should be able to handle it, they would probably be intangible "floating" characters like Smoker and CC should be mostly invulnerable to it considering how they can quickly re-materialize and mostly float around. Luffy "could" be fine too since he would just...bounce around. Likewise, any "fluid-ish" character could probably withstand it too. Huh, guess there are quite a lot of characters that might widthstand the Earthquakes.
Hopefully BB steals Mr.5s bomb fruit and gives it to 1 of his crewmembers. It really was wasted on that guy. A top tier could probably have atomic bomb level techniques with that fruit.
Mr.5's fruit has a lot of possibilities that were heavily undermined with gag moves like booger bombs (which were funny once but…yeah loses it's sort of threat level). I mean we could have had atomic kamikaze bombs, timed bombs...etc...I mean several other comics have done the bomb thing so well (cough Steel Ball Run) that it's a shame that OP didn't really do anything really interesting with it.
DAFUQ you talking about? If Law was among the seat he will be the strongest seat guy.. According to card ranking- King, Queen, Joker(Doflamingo) then the rest Diamond(Diamentai), (Trebol), Heart, and Spade should be equal ranking…. And I don't know since when going from right to left means strongest to weakest and enlighten me on this people who thinks Trebol is the weakest?
Well if Oda based the card seats to the actual card game ranking of suits, then Spades would be the strongest suit, next is heart, diamond, then clubs as the weakest.
@wolfwoof:
That he can't be intangible is his main weakness remember?
As for the rest ice can be melted, magma can be cooled down, smoke disperesed, and a swamp can be dried out
Not that i think they'll be going that route but their weaknesses aren't some unsolvable mysteries
Yeha not an unsolved mystery thing but you what I'm talking about. Like smoke has weakness but Luffy never found a way to use it against smoker, these logia's have weakness but its something you can easily expose like water to Croc, fire to Ceasar etc
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Well if Oda based the card seats to the actual card game ranking of suits, then Spades would be the strongest suit, next is heart, diamond, then clubs as the weakest.
what's this ranking suits you talking about??
what's this ranking suits you talking about??
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suit_(cards)
As there is no truly standard way to order the four suits, each game that needs to do so has its own convention; however, the ubiquity of bridge has gone some way to make its ordering a _de facto_standard. Typical orderings of suits include (from highest to lowest):
Bridge!
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So from strongest to weakest:
Espada(or whatever his/her name is), Law(though he is probably stronger than the spade...maybe new member name corazon), Diamante, Trebol
Likewise, the same goes for Mr 5's Bomb fruit (which…its potential is REALLY wasted on an uncreative guy like him which ironically was pointed out by Galdino). Sigh...Mr 5 was a total waste in terms of "Bomb" powers.
Mr.5's fruit has a lot of possibilities that were heavily undermined with gag moves like booger bombs (which were funny once but…yeah loses it's sort of threat level). I mean we could have had atomic kamikaze bombs, timed bombs...etc...I mean several other comics have done the bomb thing so well (cough Steel Ball Run) that it's a shame that OP didn't really do anything really interesting with it.
I thought he had a couple creative moves (Breeze Breath Bomb, Nose Fancy Cannon) considering the only thing he can do is make his body explode. He can't create bombs or anything.
the only place that I know that use spade as picas is Spain, I'm from an Hispanic country myself and I've never heard of that world before
Yeah, but "Espada" means Sword. Using "espada" as "spade" is just an extended bad translation.
Yeha not an unsolved mystery thing but you what I'm talking about. Like smoke has weakness but Luffy never found a way to use it against smoker, these logia's have weakness but its something you can easily expose like water to Croc, fire to Ceasar etc
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what's this ranking suits you talking about??
Well Caribou getting locked inside a barrel was a pretty good example of exploiting a particular Logias weakness.
Yeah, but "Espada" means Sword. Using "espada" as "spade" is just an extended bad translation.
In Spanish they use the same word for both.
If i wanted to make mr.5 more dangerous i'd probably go the route of pin-point explosions
Assuming of course that he could focus the brunt of the explosion into like his finger
Mr.5 Devilfruit is dangerous, is like he can do red hawk with any part of his body and could even cause more damage.. Imagine every Luffy punch is red hawk..
the only place that I know that use spade as picas is Spain, I'm from an Hispanic country myself and I've never heard of that world before
you are wrong. in some spanish speaking countries spade is picas, in others it is espada.
just google "A de Espada"
you will get images of the ace of spade
Dressrosa is based off the mediterranean, specially spain. It's way more likely for oda to use the names used in Spain than the names used in Latin America
BTW, In Spain we use treboles(clubs), corazones(hearts) and diamantes(diamonds), It's the same for you or do you have another name for any of those?
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In Spanish they use the same word for both.
no, suits of cards aside, a spade is a shovel(pala) and by no means a sword(espada).
In spain we call the suit of spades picas, meaning pikes, probably becuase that is its french name.
A pike is neither a shovel or a sword
Mr.5 Devilfruit is dangerous, is like he can do red hawk with any part of his body and could even cause more damage.. Imagine every Luffy punch is red hawk..
Mr 5 explosions are weak, they barely do damage to Usopp. His biggest move didn't take Usopp out. Luffy didn't even feel them.
I thought he had a couple creative moves (Breeze Breath Bomb, Nose Fancy Cannon) considering the only thing he can do is make his body explode. He can't create bombs or anything.
Yeah. This is a valid point.
This limits him (and any other user of this ability I guess) to a pretty small box. You have to be pretty creative to not blow yourself up in the process. I don't really know how else this fruit could be very effective without the user injuring themselves in the process.
Dressrosa is based off the mediterranean, specially spain. It's way more likely for oda to use the names used in Spain than the names used in Latin America
BTW, In Spain we use treboles(clubs), corazones(hearts) and diamantes(diamonds), It's the same for you or do you have another name for any of those?
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no, suits of cards aside, a spade is a shovel(pala) and by no means a sword(espada).
In spain we call the suit of spades picas, meaning pikes, probably becuase that is its french name.
A pike is neither a shovel or a sword
Others online said it was translated that way, maybe Oda is getting it from an old source or something.. or maybe they do that in Mexico or South America.