Chapter 716: "Don Chinjao"

[Darkestsith6]

Anyone find it odd hat Don used his fist rather than his head? Makes me think he is holding back and that when he's serious, he uses his head butt

[Shadowgreed]

@DollarScholar:

I think thats where i first read it. The reason i brought it up is not because it would be the most logical reason, but because it would catch you completley off guard and surprise you, and that is what this manga and its author likes to do. Anything is possible. To exclude any other option or explanation other than "teach has a wierd body" just because Marco said so at that moment would be foolish and narrow minded. Im sure the real reason is far more complicated, and in the end will make more sense within the context of the story.

you actually took it out of the Dumb Prediction thread, never take a theory out of that thread, it was placed in that thread for a reason don't think

@knceng:

Of course he's a target just like every pirates/yonkou. But if everyone knows about his DF ability, doesn't that make him the no.1 on the list? no.1 priority to be kill to get his DF? beside, what's the reason yami yami no mi is consider as the strongest logia/DF ?

He might be a priority but no everybody has the power to go against a yonkou who posses two of the strongest Devil Fruits, BB can just destroy them and more now that knows how to use the quake fruit

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@Darkestsith6:

Anyone find it odd hat Don used his fist rather than his head? Makes me think he is holding back and that when he's serious, he uses his head butt

KOF gave you that idea aha, If he's fighting with his fist is because he's being serious now, it doesn't matter how you look at it a head butt can't be stronger than his fits

[CaptainKid]

@Supernova122:

This has got to be the best.

It's a waste of chapters, guyyys, Oda only has x00 left so he needs to make sure he onyl puts the highest priority chapters in. At this rate, we'll run out of pages before we reach Raftel!!

Yeah that's totally what I was implying… Let me make it in bullet points so you can comprehend it

1. Chapters filled with introductions and characters that have no impact to the story more so than just existing could be cut down.
2. Allowing for more dialogue and important things to be explained, not massive plot points but there are small questions like in PH that we don't know and were drifted over. Like is Monet or Vergo alive? What was Aokiji doing? Sure we'll get a Vergo cover story but why not show him in a [back on PH] panel?

So yeah you're a moron.

[Monkey King]

@CaptainKid:

Yeah that's totally what I was implying… Let me make it in bullet points so you can comprehend it

1. Chapters filled with introductions and characters that have no impact to the story more so than just existing could be cut down.

As someone actually diagnosed with ADD, I now feel comfortable more than ever mocking the insanely impatient people like you who don't actually want a living breathing world that has small unimportant characters doing things, and just wants quick fixes of plot development and big names fighting like a heroin junkie.

2. Allowing for more dialogue and important things to be explained, not massive plot points but there are small questions like in PH that we don't know and were drifted over. Like is Monet or Vergo alive? What was Aokiji doing? Sure we'll get a Vergo cover story but why not show him in a [back on PH] panel?

Vergo and Monet, like five thousand characters before them, have ambiguous fates, but all that matters is they got their asses kicked. It's NOT fucking important lol. In fact it's less important than anything currently going on.
Aokiji is for another time it's big deal plot stuff that we won't find out for awhile. What the fuck made you think that was a current story issue.

You are the moron.

[CaptainKid]

@The:

I really don't get this concept; the idea that something is only enjoyable based on future, yet unseen events, rather than being enjoyable in the present. Its like being a fan of Kid because he might do something unspecified in some unknown arc down the line, rather than because he was entertaining at Sabaody.

Going by this notion, if Sai is revealed as a major player for the next 90 chapters, his scenes in this chapter will be retroactively be made great - whereas if Cavendish and Barto turn out to not matter much in the grand scheme of things, their scenes will be transforrmed into trash?

1. I'm a fan of Kid because of what he did and what we know about him. He did the opposite of Luffy at mocktown, has the only other non-captain Supernova in his crew, competed with Luffy and Law on SA, and believes that only those with conviction have a place in the new era as examples. As for what he will do in the future he has been foreshadowed as an having a larger role. An example from this arc being Cavendish (with his rare sword and hate for the super novas) and Bartolomeo (for his "past" with Luffy and who he works for).

2. Sai is shown to have importance because the Happo Navy, being related to Chinjao, and from a country that has been mentioned several times now. The Funk Brothers are interesting and Jake Jake no Mi fruit is interesting but apart from that, they are just people who are relevant to this block. Their intro as strong fighters and one being mild and the other strong was like ok… Maybe I'm wrong but they could of been made more relevant to the storyline other than being a duo that lasted this long. Dagma being a better example of a worthless character.

[Monkey King]

@CaptainKid:

1. I'm a fan of Kid because of what he did and what we know about him. He did the opposite of Luffy at mocktown, has the only other non-captain Supernova in his crew, competed with Luffy and Law on SA, and believes that only those with conviction have a place in the new era as examples. As for what he will do in the future he has been foreshadowed as an having a larger role. An example from this arc being Cavendish (with his rare sword and hate for the super novas) and Bartolomeo (for his "past" with Luffy and who he works for).

2. Sai is shown to have importance because the Happo Navy, being related to Chinjao, and from a country that has been mentioned several times now. The Funk Brothers are interesting and Jake Jake no Mi fruit is interesting but apart from that, they are just people who are relevant to this block. Their intro as strong fighters and one being mild and the other strong was like ok… Maybe I'm wrong but they could of been made more relevant to the storyline other than being a duo that lasted this long. Dagma being a better example of a worthless character.

Sai isn't important. Why does he have to be important. If you made an entire story of only big important things it would be like making a beef stew with only beef, not even broth. It wouldn't be stew. It would be dry beef in a bowl.
You just want "important" stuff for the quick jolt it gives your head, you aren't trying to enjoy the ride.

[CaptainKid]

@Monkey:

Sai isn't important. Why does he have to be important. If you made an entire story of only big important things it would be like making a beef stew with only beef, not even broth. It wouldn't be stew. It would be dry beef in a bowl.
You just want "important" stuff for the quick jolt it gives your head, you aren't trying to enjoy the ride.

I would rather stuff be relevant rather than important. Jean Ango and Rockstar aren't important but they have information that is relevant. Sai isn't important but him being involved in the Happou Navy and his connection to Kanokuni and Chinjao are relevant. I'm not saying don't have these characters I'm saying don't spend an entire chapter on them. These chapters are the first few chapters I've felt have been "meh" in a long time. I am enjoying everything that is going on, some people are complaining about there being a tournament and showing block B and C. I enjoy them but in my personal opinion I wish they had been done quicker. That said I'm not Oda and I still love One Piece and really am enjoying this arc. People seem to think if ONE chapter is not to your liking, you aren't appreciating the series or arc or whatever. Can I just say, this chapter wasn't really to my liking?

[Monkey King]

@CaptainKid:

I would rather stuff be relevant rather than important. Jean Ango and Rockstar aren't important but they have information that is relevant. Sai isn't important but him being involved in the Happou Navy and his connection to Kanokuni and Chinjao are relevant. I'm not saying don't have these characters I'm saying don't spend an entire chapter on them. These chapters are the first few chapters I've felt have been "meh" in a long time. I am enjoying everything that is going on, some people are complaining about there being a tournament and showing block B and C. I enjoy them but in my personal opinion I wish they had been done quicker. That said I'm not Oda and I still love One Piece and really am enjoying this arc. People seem to think if ONE chapter is not to your liking, you aren't appreciating the series or arc or whatever. Can I just say, this chapter wasn't really to my liking?

If you think stories are soley defined by things that happened, leading to other things happening… you have absolutely no understanding of what is or isn't actually relevant or important.

[Shadowgreed]

@CaptainKid:

words

Have you read your signature?

[Django]

@Darkestsith6:

Anyone find it odd hat Don used his fist rather than his head? Makes me think he is holding back and that when he's serious, he uses his head butt

Luffy also didn't use his stretchy powers.

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@CaptainKid:

I would rather stuff be relevant rather than important. Jean Ango and Rockstar aren't important but they have information that is relevant. Sai isn't important but him being involved in the Happou Navy and his connection to Kanokuni and Chinjao are relevant. I'm not saying don't have these characters I'm saying don't spend an entire chapter on them. These chapters are the first few chapters I've felt have been "meh" in a long time. I am enjoying everything that is going on, some people are complaining about there being a tournament and showing block B and C. I enjoy them but in my personal opinion I wish they had been done quicker. That said I'm not Oda and I still love One Piece and really am enjoying this arc. People seem to think if ONE chapter is not to your liking, you aren't appreciating the series or arc or whatever. Can I just say, this chapter wasn't really to my liking?

A lot of the seemingly irrelevant stuff is world-building, especially in One Piece. All of these characters are reflections of different communities in the New World.

[Monkey King]

None of that relevant or important stuff works a inch as well if Oda doesn't cook up a convincing fascinating living breathing world around them.

[CaptainKid]

@Monkey:

If you think stories are soley defined by things that happened, leading to other things happening… you have absolutely no understanding of what is or isn't actually relevant or important.

That is the main point of the story is it not? And if you're being literal EVERYTHING leads to something else. A story is a progression of one thing to another. Maybe at times I don't see something as relevant and BAM it later does become relevant/important. However most things that are relevant at least hint at it, the characters being introduced now apart from the few with important dialogue have yet to show how they will be relevant later on. I was simply saying their could be a quicker more effective way to do this. I'm not Oda or his assistants but I can make decent assumptions on if something seems relevant or not.

@Django:

A lot of the seemingly irrelevant stuff is world-building, especially in One Piece. All of these characters are reflections of different communities in the New World.

That's a really good point. I guess I think of world building in the exploration of places like Green Bit and the mention of places like Kanokuni and groups like the Happo Navy. Really I had just hoped the blocks had more fighting and less time for introductions. However I love good dialgoue that involves story progression and helps build a bigger picture (world) like Jean Ango's dialogue this chapter.

@Shadowgreed:

Have you read your signature?

Yes, it's a quote. You're point is? Oh that's right you don't have a point. I pointed out why I liked Kid in a previous post. If you think somehow he isn't relevant to the story in the same way many of these new characters are then I'm better off talking to a door. He's been in maybe 15 chapters, very briefly yet he has a whole history and conflict built up. I feel bad for feeding your blatant retardation.

[Monkey King]

@CaptainKid:

That is the main point of the story is it not?

If you honestly believe that why don't you just ask Oda for his storyboards or even just the scripts or plot outlines, and stop reading the completed project.
This is the equivalent of calling a skeleton a human being.
You really don't give a shit about anything but a quick jolt of "Event" into your blood stream lol.

I wonder why people are giving you grief? Hmm.

And if you're being literal EVERYTHING leads to something else.

Actually neither being literal or metaphorical would that ever be correct about a story.

A story is a progression of one thing to another.

No, it's not.

Maybe at times I don't see something as relevant and BAM it later does become relevant/important. However most things that are relevant at least hint at it, the characters being introduced now apart from the few with important dialogue have yet to show how they will be relevant later on. I was simply saying their could be a quicker more effective way to do this. I'm not Oda or his assistants but I can make decent assumptions on if something seems relevant or not.

Oh man, you really don't have a goddamn clue what I was talking about.

[Shadowgreed]

@CaptainKid:

Yes, it's a quote. You're point is? Oh that's right you don't have a point. I pointed out why I liked Kid in a previous post. If you think somehow he isn't relevant to the story in the same way many of these new characters are then I'm better off talking to a door. He's been in maybe 15 chapters, very briefly yet he has a whole history and conflict built up. I feel bad for feeding your blatant retardation.

Did I hit a nail on the head because you went off in a simple question, did you or did you not read your signature, I never asked you "Hey why do you like Kid so much, If he has only been shown like 5 times in the manga" did I?

[Whackadoodle]

@CaptainKid:

I guess I think of world building in the exploration of places like Green Bit and the mention of places like Kanokuni and groups like the Happo Navy. Really I had just hoped the blocks had more fighting and less time for introductions. However I love good dialgoue that involves story progression and helps build a bigger picture (world) like Jean Ango's dialogue this chapter.

World building is more than making a huge backdrop in which the story occurs, and this is something that too many authors forget. The world shouldn't be a static place where the main characters are at the center of everything that goes on in the entire world, it's important to give the impression that the world is a far larger place than we'll ever see in the story, and that many other big stories are going on just out of sight. The world should feel like a living, breathing place. The characters we're seeing in the tournament include all sorts of other people having their own adventures, from different parts of the world, with varying levels of importance (and who may turn out to be relevant to the story later… or may not). This is exactly what world building is about - giving the impression that all sorts of other things are going on, and the world isn't just some static background in which the story takes place.

[NuFiasco]

@Whackadoodle:

World building is more than making a huge backdrop in which the story occurs, and this is something that too many authors forget. The world shouldn't be a static place where the main characters are at the center of everything that goes on in the entire world, it's important to give the impression that the world is a far larger place than we'll ever see in the story, and that many other big stories are going on just out of sight. The world should feel like a living, breathing place. The characters we're seeing in the tournament include all sorts of other people having their own adventures, from different parts of the world, with varying levels of importance (and who may turn out to be relevant to the story later… or may not). This is exactly what world building is about - giving the impression that all sorts of other things are going on, and the world isn't just some static background in which the story takes place.

This is spot on. The only other series that seems to carry a grand scale as convincing and effectively as One Piece to me is Berserk. Both series make sure that there is way more beyond just the main cast…

[Strawhat Chan]

@Whackadoodle:

World building is more than making a huge backdrop in which the story occurs, and this is something that too many authors forget. The world shouldn't be a static place where the main characters are at the center of everything that goes on in the entire world, it's important to give the impression that the world is a far larger place than we'll ever see in the story, and that many other big stories are going on just out of sight. The world should feel like a living, breathing place. The characters we're seeing in the tournament include all sorts of other people having their own adventures, from different parts of the world, with varying levels of importance (and who may turn out to be relevant to the story later… or may not). This is exactly what world building is about - giving the impression that all sorts of other things are going on, and the world isn't just some static background in which the story takes place.

Couldn't have said it better!

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Is it possible we might get the next chapter early because of the break the following week?

[Kingdomkey]

@Strawhat:

Couldn't have said it better!

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Is it possible we might get the next chapter early because of the break the following week?

Yes because the next chapter is part of a double issue we should get it one day early

[knceng]

@Shadowgreed:

He might be a priority but no everybody has the power to go against a yonkou who posses two of the strongest Devil Fruits, BB can just destroy them and more now that knows how to use the quake fruit

seeing sengoku has no problem giving him a punch or two, he might make the other yonkou turn their eyes on him… but, he's playing it safe and keep the method secret.
anyway, it's all just a speculation... maybe it's his D or his unique body.

[Demonicpoodle]

@Whackadoodle:

World building is more than making a huge backdrop in which the story occurs, and this is something that too many authors forget. The world shouldn't be a static place where the main characters are at the center of everything that goes on in the entire world, it's important to give the impression that the world is a far larger place than we'll ever see in the story, and that many other big stories are going on just out of sight. The world should feel like a living, breathing place. The characters we're seeing in the tournament include all sorts of other people having their own adventures, from different parts of the world, with varying levels of importance (and who may turn out to be relevant to the story later… or may not). This is exactly what world building is about - giving the impression that all sorts of other things are going on, and the world isn't just some static background in which the story takes place.

This is great.

[andre]

@knceng:

maybe it's his D

[knceng]

@andre:

http://images4.fanpop.com/image/photos/20500000/-You-like-Krabby-Patties-don-t-you-Squidward-spongebob-squarepants-20518839-500-333.jpg

[Aohige_AP]

@CaptainKid:

2. Sai is shown to have importance because the Happo Navy, being related to Chinjao, and from a country that has been mentioned several times now. The Funk Brothers are interesting and Jake Jake no Mi fruit is interesting but apart from that, they are just people who are relevant to this block. Their intro as strong fighters and one being mild and the other strong was like ok… Maybe I'm wrong but they could of been made more relevant to the storyline other than being a duo that lasted this long. Dagma being a better example of a worthless character.

Isn't that intentional part of the fun though?
It keeps us guessing with many surprises.

For example:
Jean Ango, Jet & Abdulla were only briefly shown, and played a very minor role.
Yet we would have never guessed Elizabello, who was equally minor, would play such a big role in Block B fight.
Bartolomeo wasn't even shown, just briefly mentioned, yet in a chapter or two we found out he's a bigger player than others shown in that scene.
Ricky was only shown briefly with other contestants, yet it's obvious by now he plays a major role in the whole arc.

So on and on. So far I think Oda did a fantastic job at keep us guessing, as to which players are important and which aren't.

[Carmilla]

@CaptainKid:

1. Chapters filled with introductions and characters that have no impact to the story more so than just existing could be cut down.
2. Allowing for more dialogue and important things to be explained, not massive plot points but there are small questions like in PH that we don't know and were drifted over. Like is Monet or Vergo alive? What was Aokiji doing? Sure we'll get a Vergo cover story but why not show him in a [back on PH] panel?

who knows exactly, will these characters be relevant or not? (even if they werent, its world building which was perfectly explained up there) every one in c block introduced us to a new place or gave us important news and everyone had interesting powers, so what exactly was wasted about them? And on what character was spent whole chapter? i think its opposite, it was done quick and it was fun to read.
and its not like we wont see aokiji anymore, or questions wont be answered. and of course tournament will be more interesting when it will be vs donquixote family, but that doesnt mean this chapter and character introductions are useless.

@DollarScholar:

To be fair, we dont know for sure why Blackbeard can have 2 DFs. There is no reason to believe that Marco is somehow an "expert" on the subject. It could very well have something to do with the will of the D. Blackbeard having a "Abnormal Body" would be a piss poor exuse to throw everything we know about DFs out the window just to create a strong villain, and Oda is sure as hell better than that. Im pretty damn sure we are going to get a more in-depth explanation.

if marco was right, it doesnt give us much information anyway, we just know that its because of his body, but we dont know what excatly is different, or was teach born with that kind of body or got it somehow. but i doubt people with will of d have something different about their bodies, its something about spirit. and even if marco didnt say anything, what blueno said means that its the body that cant take 2 fruits.

personally, i'd like it to be eaten by someone from whitebeard pirates, who was close to ace, they were also ace's family. and i wonder, do they even know about this tournament or where are they?

…

btw this is my first post. and im someone who caught up to the manga one 1 or 2 month ago, found this forum and registered 2 weeks ago. and im someone who likes law and doflamingo, whos very interested in their past and fight, also in past of dressrosa.
and.. someone said its people like me who complain about tournament or this chapter. arent they just the people who criticize everything? if this chapter was about law vs doffy vs fujitora, everyone would complain that c block should have been finished first.

[Shadowgreed]

@mary:

If this chapter was about law vs doffy vs fujitora, everyone would complain that c block should have been finished first.

I like you dude but what did Blueno said?

[Carmilla]

@Shadowgreed:

I like you dude but what did Blueno said?

that your body will explode if you eat two fruit

[Shadowgreed]

@mary:

that your body will explode if you eat two fruit

ahhh I thought you meant that he said something about BB

[HTC]

@Whackadoodle:

World building is more than making a huge backdrop in which the story occurs, and this is something that too many authors forget. The world shouldn't be a static place where the main characters are at the center of everything that goes on in the entire world, it's important to give the impression that the world is a far larger place than we'll ever see in the story, and that many other big stories are going on just out of sight. The world should feel like a living, breathing place. The characters we're seeing in the tournament include all sorts of other people having their own adventures, from different parts of the world, with varying levels of importance (and who may turn out to be relevant to the story later… or may not). This is exactly what world building is about - giving the impression that all sorts of other things are going on, and the world isn't just some static background in which the story takes place.

Nicely put: couldn't have said it better myself.

@Aohige_AP:

Isn't that intentional part of the fun though?
It keeps us guessing with many surprises.

For example:
Jean Ango, Jet & Abdulla were only briefly shown, and played a very minor role.
Yet we would have never guessed Elizabello, who was equally minor, would play such a big role in Block B fight.
Bartolomeo wasn't even shown, just briefly mentioned, yet in a chapter or two we found out he's a bigger player than others shown in that scene.
Ricky was only shown briefly with other contestants, yet it's obvious by now he plays a major role in the whole arc.

So on and on. So far I think Oda did a fantastic job at keep us guessing, as to which players are important and which aren't.

Exactly.

Another (probably the most extreme) example: Laboon. When Laboon was introduced nobody thought it would become relevant later on and yet, about 350 chapters later, it DOES become relevant: that's over 7 years later for crying out loud.

With such a "track record", how can anyone honestly say who is relevant and who is not?

[kouch_lee]

I think people like The Daz already said it much better, but the idea is: and if it's not relevant in the long run, so what?

Gaimon will allways be a fantastic and deliciously bizarre character concept. He was around for 2 chapters if I remember correctly (or was it a single chapter?), and yet he left a strong impression because the idea behind his design and his character quirk were a fantastic show of Oda's imagination.

He'll probably never, ever be relevant, but so what? Does that take anything away from him?

If the Funk bros role is over, if Blue Gilly's role is over, if Dagama's role is over, what's the big deal? They had a great and original design, had a motive, had a distinct ability, tried their best and got defeated by superior opponents. They all came from different parts of the world, they served a purpose of showing us how big of a deal getting Ace's fruit is not only for individuals searching power for their own benefits (Ideo, Rebecca), but entire countries and kingdoms send their best assets to get it (Prodense, Mogamo).

Also, Oda went with the Battle Royale format; how fucking exciting would it be if Block B was Bellamy vs. Bartolomeo, and the rest was faceless, nameless fodder? And Block C, let's just cut all the crap: from the beginning, only Luffy and Don Chinjao. Sorry, that's not Oda's style, he has fun creating characters, designs, abilities, backgrounds. . .
That's how he works. And it's also exciting for the reader: the colosseum chapter discussion threads, you can see different people rooting for different characters. There were people wanting Elizabello being one of the last ones standing, others wanted Ricky to perform better, in Block C, people wanted Jean Ango to make a good fight, others wanted Sai. . .

It is exciting if you just get into it and forget about relevance, or stop asking if these guys will ever appear again. If they do? Great! If it depended on me, we'd go to Prodense, we'd go to Kanonuki, we'd go to Mogamo, we'd go to wathever the hell the Longleg Tribe come from, we'd go everywhere in the One Piece world. But if that doesn't happen, just enjoy the ride and appreciate the extra work Oda puts by creating all these "useless characters that are not important nor relevant", cause all they do is add to the experience, never take away enjoyment.

[Katzztar]

@kouch_lee:

I think people like The Daz already said it much better, but the idea is: and if it's not relevant in the long run, so what?

Gaimon will allways be a fantastic and deliciously bizarre character concept. He was around for 2 chapters if I remember correctly (or was it a single chapter?), and yet he left a strong impression because the idea behind his design and his character quirk were a fantastic show of Oda's imagination.

He'll probably never, ever be relevant, but so what? Does that take anything away from him?

If the Funk bros role is over, if Blue Gilly's role is over, if Dagama's role is over, what's the big deal? They had a great and original design, had a motive, had a distinct ability, tried their best and got defeated by superior opponents. They all came from different parts of the world, they served a purpose of showing us how big of a deal getting Ace's fruit is not only for individuals searching power for their own benefits (Ideo, Rebecca), but entire countries and kingdoms send their best assets to get it (Prodense, Mogamo).

Also, Oda went with the Battle Royale format; how fucking exciting would it be if Block B was Bellamy vs. Bartolomeo, and the rest was faceless, nameless fodder? And Block C, let's just cut all the crap: from the beginning, only Luffy and Don Chinjao. Sorry, that's not Oda's style, he has fun creating characters, designs, abilities, backgrounds. . .
That's how he works. And it's also exciting for the reader: the colosseum chapter discussion threads, you can see different people rooting for different characters. There were people wanting Elizabello being one of the last ones standing, others wanted Ricky to perform better, in Block C, people wanted Jean Ango to make a good fight, others wanted Sai. . .

It is exciting if you just get into it and forget about relevance, or stop asking if these guys will ever appear again. If they do? Great! If it depended on me, we'd go to Prodense, we'd go to Kanonuki, we'd go to Mogamo, we'd go to wathever the hell the Longleg Tribe come from, we'd go everywhere in the One Piece world. But if that doesn't happen, just enjoy the ride and appreciate the extra work Oda puts by creating all these "useless characters that are not important nor relevant", cause all they do is add to the experience, never take away enjoyment.

Now how to respond… oh I know [hide][/hide] Well said my friend, well said.

[Densuke]

Well if Oda chooses to show us part (if not all) of the Reverie, we're bound to at least see Elizabello and Dagama, maybe even Chinjao / Sai if their country's navy accompanies the King. Kelly and Bobby sure won't make an appearance but we'll get to see Mogamo's King and guards as well.

kouch_lee got it spot on though with Gaimon and it could possibly apply for the majority of these characters introduced so far this arc.

He'll probably never, ever be relevant, but so what? Does that take anything away from him?

[Nomi Nomi no Mi]

I simply don't understand peoples complaints, we've been reading over a decades worth of content. OP's superior content has kept us all coming back. How can people not have faith in Oda and the process? Wed. morning is my favorite part of the week and I cannot wrap my head around the idea that people do not like the product, or at least complain as if they could be doing better. Perhaps I'm naive and some people enjoy being critical, but I just love it too much to get worked up about a battle royal or whatever sticks in someone's particular craw.

God, I still remember when I started reading OP after just reading Naruto. It's just been so good and such a great journey.

[Buggy D. Clown]

@kouch_lee:

I think people like The Daz already said it much better, but the idea is: and if it's not relevant in the long run, so what?

Gaimon will allways be a fantastic and deliciously bizarre character concept. He was around for 2 chapters if I remember correctly (or was it a single chapter?), and yet he left a strong impression because the idea behind his design and his character quirk were a fantastic show of Oda's imagination.

He'll probably never, ever be relevant, but so what? Does that take anything away from him?

If the Funk bros role is over, if Blue Gilly's role is over, if Dagama's role is over, what's the big deal? They had a great and original design, had a motive, had a distinct ability, tried their best and got defeated by superior opponents. They all came from different parts of the world, they served a purpose of showing us how big of a deal getting Ace's fruit is not only for individuals searching power for their own benefits (Ideo, Rebecca), but entire countries and kingdoms send their best assets to get it (Prodense, Mogamo).

Also, Oda went with the Battle Royale format; how fucking exciting would it be if Block B was Bellamy vs. Bartolomeo, and the rest was faceless, nameless fodder? And Block C, let's just cut all the crap: from the beginning, only Luffy and Don Chinjao. Sorry, that's not Oda's style, he has fun creating characters, designs, abilities, backgrounds. . .
That's how he works. And it's also exciting for the reader: the colosseum chapter discussion threads, you can see different people rooting for different characters. There were people wanting Elizabello being one of the last ones standing, others wanted Ricky to perform better, in Block C, people wanted Jean Ango to make a good fight, others wanted Sai. . .

It is exciting if you just get into it and forget about relevance, or stop asking if these guys will ever appear again. If they do? Great! If it depended on me, we'd go to Prodense, we'd go to Kanonuki, we'd go to Mogamo, we'd go to wathever the hell the Longleg Tribe come from, we'd go everywhere in the One Piece world. But if that doesn't happen, just enjoy the ride and appreciate the extra work Oda puts by creating all these "useless characters that are not important nor relevant", cause all they do is add to the experience, never take away enjoyment.

Exactly. People need to stop complaining when the story doesn't go their way. Let Oda work on his masterpiece, 1 chapter at a time. Tbh, I never had a problem with any chapter. I just enjoy n thank god there is a new chapter lol b/c who knows what can happen to Oda(god forbid) on any given day due to the excessive smoking. Long live Oda!

[Bucephalus]

i'm betting that the tournament will be over with in 10 chapters so at the very least we don't have to wait too much longer before the complaints cease

then we can experience the return of such riveting criticisms as
"Good chapter.

Doflamingo is awesome"

[Katzztar]

@Bucephalus:

i'm betting that the tournament will be over with in 10 chapters so at the very least we don't have to wait too much longer before the complaints cease

then we can experience the return of such riveting criticisms as
"Good chapter.
Doflamingo is awesome"

Well at least there are 5 complete words there instead of "OMG! ADLDFS

[Swordsman LUCY]

Let's not forget that Burgess is still a part of the tournament, assuming he doesn't just mysteriously leave, Luffy is not simply going to walk out of tournament with mera mera. The tournament is bound to amount to something.

[juiceduphody3315]

You gotta think tho this arc is about taking down not only dolfa but the factory and silvas crew. I think some of the charcters introduced will have another role. Were in the new world luffy has a gift no one else has that mihawk mentioned people are drawin to him. I bet a lot of these charcters come back to help luffy if not play another role in the arc. Patientice fellows Oda has away of making everything unfold

[Densuke]

@Swordsman:

Let's not forget that Burgess is still a part of the tournament, assuming he doesn't just mysteriously leave, Luffy is not simply going to walk out of tournament with mera mera. The tournament is bound to amount to something.

I get the feeling that we will not see this tournament in full because of it being interrupted/shut down. I can see Burgess getting to impatient and just taking, or at least trying to take the Mera Mera fruit from Diamante. Or Luffy gets unmasked/de-bearded and the colosseum goes nuts. Something along those lines, maybe?

[Swordsman LUCY]

Sounds like typical One Piece. I still hope there's some kind of on screen display of Burgess' power this arc though.

[isrnick]

No, I think something outside will happen, and that will stop the tournament, maybe the factory explodes…

[kevo_koma]

@kouch_lee:

I think people like The Daz already said it much better, but the idea is: and if it's not relevant in the long run, so what?

Gaimon will allways be a fantastic and deliciously bizarre character concept. He was around for 2 chapters if I remember correctly (or was it a single chapter?), and yet he left a strong impression because the idea behind his design and his character quirk were a fantastic show of Oda's imagination.

He'll probably never, ever be relevant, but so what? Does that take anything away from him?

If the Funk bros role is over, if Blue Gilly's role is over, if Dagama's role is over, what's the big deal? They had a great and original design, had a motive, had a distinct ability, tried their best and got defeated by superior opponents. They all came from different parts of the world, they served a purpose of showing us how big of a deal getting Ace's fruit is not only for individuals searching power for their own benefits (Ideo, Rebecca), but entire countries and kingdoms send their best assets to get it (Prodense, Mogamo).

Also, Oda went with the Battle Royale format; how fucking exciting would it be if Block B was Bellamy vs. Bartolomeo, and the rest was faceless, nameless fodder? And Block C, let's just cut all the crap: from the beginning, only Luffy and Don Chinjao. Sorry, that's not Oda's style, he has fun creating characters, designs, abilities, backgrounds. . .
That's how he works. And it's also exciting for the reader: the colosseum chapter discussion threads, you can see different people rooting for different characters. There were people wanting Elizabello being one of the last ones standing, others wanted Ricky to perform better, in Block C, people wanted Jean Ango to make a good fight, others wanted Sai. . .

It is exciting if you just get into it and forget about relevance, or stop asking if these guys will ever appear again. If they do? Great! If it depended on me, we'd go to Prodense, we'd go to Kanonuki, we'd go to Mogamo, we'd go to wathever the hell the Longleg Tribe come from, we'd go everywhere in the One Piece world. But if that doesn't happen, just enjoy the ride and appreciate the extra work Oda puts by creating all these "useless characters that are not important nor relevant", cause all they do is add to the experience, never take away enjoyment.

This is why we need a thumbs up button on this site. Very well done mate. Unfortunately it seems that this is one aspect of One piece the new members(or people who just caught up to the manga) will never understand.

I think that the biggest fan of One piece is Oda himself and he writes and draws what he wants to see in the story.

[Greg]

Every major named character that was redeemable and had some use to the narrative will appear in the final battle so no real need to complain.

[Drazgoon]

Pointless criticism to a self-help group. This is moving along nicely.

[Primo11]

Maybe one of these nations being mentioned is in some kind of war right now? It is stated that a war is going on so that's a fact, not like it will warrant the strawhats to go to that place but it does add to other things going on that dont include the strawhats.

Though the war mentioned isn't stated to be in the new world.

[Monkey King]

@Primo11:

Maybe one of these nations being mentioned is in some kind of war right now? It is stated that a war is going on so that's a fact, not like it will warrant the strawhats to go to that place but it does add to other things going on that dont include the strawhats.

Though the war mentioned isn't stated to be in the new world.

When was it stated a war was going on?

Do you mean that the Revolutionaries seem to be in the business of starting wars in various countries? Than yeah, but there hasn't been any mention of some huge war that isn't contained to one island.

[Katzztar]

No, when the newspaper said Doflomingo was quitting the Shichibukai, it showed people reactions. One of them was a country at war, think they were trying to contact Doflo because he was supplying them with weapons… I need to go find issue to re-read it then give link

Found it, ch 700 pg 2 bottom panel=
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[Jado]

@Nomi:

I simply don't understand peoples complaints, we've been reading over a decades worth of content. OP's superior content has kept us all coming back. How can people not have faith in Oda and the process? Wed. morning is my favorite part of the week and I cannot wrap my head around the idea that people do not like the product, or at least complain as if they could be doing better. Perhaps I'm naive and some people enjoy being critical, but I just love it too much to get worked up about a battle royal or whatever sticks in someone's particular craw.

God, I still remember when I started reading OP after just reading Naruto. It's just been so good and such a great journey.

The criticism I have heard from the Dressrosa arc tournament have mainly been people who are grasping at straws, making conjectures and misusing terms to suit them. Any other arc, I could understand why people felt a certain way and addressed the issues they had with the story characters etc in a more coherent manner, even if I did disagreed with them.

The common complaints I hear about this tournament are down below.

'Oda is wasting time on these characters' - I wonder how these people know which characters are relevant. I wish people would stop it, people are making grand claims on what Oda is wasting time on and the arc is nowhere near completed yet to say to even state what he wasted time on. Also I hate people coming with bullshit deductions about 'We don't know if they are relevant, therefore they are irrelevant' nonsense.

"It's too slow paced" When it comes to actually focusing on the blocks themselves, Block B was only two chapters (707 and 709), Block C is longer but it is understandable since it is the main, but nothing too long at all. Plus Oda still has certain mysteries about is the 'real objective' for the Chinjao participating in the tournament, what is Bart's problem with Luffy, why does Rebecca want to kill Doflamingo and how will Burgess play a role.

I understand people's complaints, and it is simply not enough Fujitora. When Fujitora stated he was going to Greenbit in 705, then the tournament was suddenly deemed as dragging and Oda wasting time,and apart from Diamante, Rebecca, Burgess and Bart, the contestants were all deemed as fodder or irrelevant to the storyline, because people came to their conclusions. You can say that people wanted to see other sub-plots ex. Sanji or Nami, Chopper's Brook one, but now they have, the people who complain about the tournament are normally the ones who want to see Fujitora throw meteorites all chapter, then it will be the 'best chapter evaa'

I simply conclude this as people complaining just to complain. I can imagine when the Alliance battling the Zoan army and people will be bleating 'This is pointless, Oda is wasting time, I want to see them fight Kaido'

Edit: The Dressrosa arc pacing been great so far.

[MONKEY.D.TSUNA]

I like the pace its going at and the small details in every chapter, frankly I think most people want the bigger picture of the One Piece world to be covered every chapter, but one of the things that makes Oda-san great is the way he presents every chapter, every detail we get from previous chapter getting covered, god i love one piece!!!

[Fleet-Admiral Coby 0]

@wolfwoof:

He beats up people all the time. Most of the time even people he loves lol

He's named Garp the fist after all. It should be in reference to him bashing people upside the head all the time

Garp give's that "thought love", but doesn't take anything from others. This is how i see it.

I think Chinjao lost his mastery or something and that's what he meant saying he toke his power. He clearly has done bad things ,when he has that bounty, so there must be a reason why Garp was after him.

In other words, Garp did his duty and Chinjao lost something precious because of that.

[Shadowgreed]

@Fleet-Admiral:

Garp give's that "thought love", but doesn't take anything from others. This is how i see it.

that only apply to family though, according to Chinjao and Marco he gives "the hellish fist" to his enemies