I get a little chuckle that Shirahoshi can't tell a balloon from her father yet knows the killer of her mother. I guess living in a tower for ten years leaves you a little stupid.
Chapter 632: "I knew it" -Discussion
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I don't really understand these morons who thinks Oda skipping fights between Princes and NFP is rushing things. Seriously… Why do you need to see this? It is totally meaningless.
If you really want to see the fight between those, wait for the anime to catch up. There will be some fighting scenes for filling. And trust me, it is not going to be any different from what Oda would have done.Oda skipping these unnecesary scenes is a pro for him. This way story progress more rapidly and quality of 1 One Piece chapter increases.
But Jinbe's scene is different. A powerfull warrior like Jinbe's getting caught needs to be explained. Because otherwise it seems like fail on Oda's part.
I mean we do wonder how could someone on Jinbe's level could get caught up so easily? -
Noir will definitively be the way for the fishman to quit fishman Island after it's destruction and then go to the surface. Anyway it was a nice chapter even though we still did not get to see the Straw Hat… and the fact that we have two weeks to wait for the next chapter ..
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I get a little chuckle that Shirahoshi can't tell a balloon from her father yet knows the killer of her mother. I guess living in a tower for ten years leaves you a little stupid.
Perhaps she has COO, that's why she knew Hody was the assassin, probably because she felt his presence.
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What onemoment said completely flew over your head.
Especially if she has COO
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@Myu:
But Jinbe's scene is different. A powerfull warrior like Jinbe's getting caught needs to be explained.
Being strong doesn't equal being quick on the up take.
You could probably write a whole list of strong people who'd easily fall for such a dumb trap. Garp and Luffy for instance.
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Noir will definitively be the way for the fishman to quit fishman Island after it's destruction and then go to the surface. Anyway it was a nice chapter even though we still did not get to see the Straw Hat… and the fact that we have two weeks to wait for the next chapter ..
Although it won't happen I would love to see Luffy surfacing on Noah near the new Marine Base. That would be terifying for Marines.
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What onemoment said completely flew over your head.
Especially if she has COO
Is this or something happened days before the incident. Though Shirahoshi seemingly feeling Madam Shirley's life fading away for a few seconds may hint she certainly inherited her mother's haki. I won't be surprised if she did, Otohime's COO almost had no purpose during the flashback aside from dodging some bullets or feeling the pain in Fisher Tiger's heart.
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Why do people think Luffy will stop Noah and not the Seaking summoning Princess the ark is aiming for?
Yes. Only not showing his mistakes just telling the story like Kubo does and seeing how we react. Why? I don't know.
The subtle retcon of Arlong and Hatchi's ages is like something Kubo has done(only more blatantly) before multiple times.
! In Bleach we clearly see in a flashback that Tousen was a Captain before Kenpachi became one and watched the match that got Kenpachi his promotion. Then the Vizard flashback retcons that to say he was a 3rd after Zaraki already killed the previous captain. To make the retcon less obvious Kubo gives all the officers of Tousen's division, including tousen, captain like robes except the actual lieutenant. Explaining why Hisagi doesn't wear one in the present. To me making Hodi and his gang look very young at 15 was like giving 3rd seat Tousen captain like robes.
So people would just assume Hatchi was older than his toddler like appearance in Chapter 0 would suggest.
That's not what a parody is. I wish people would stop trying to make everything deeper than what it really is.
Example of a parody:
Ginyu Force to Super Sentai (power rangers) where they both do stupid poses and say their names constantly, They are even called Ginyu TokuSENTAI.
Bobobo is a parody of Fist of the Northstar where the post apocalyptic waste land is now a land without hair, they have ridiculous overpowered art styles, and Bobobo's villains are his brothers, just like FOTNS.
Parody's have to have a similar theme going.
This has none of those. Do you see grim reapers or ghosts? No? It's not a parody of Bleach. It must have imitiation of some sort, and it's supposed to be OBVIOUS.
What you just pointed out was a mistake made by both authors.
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Being strong doesn't equal being quick on the up take.
You could probably write a whole list of strong people who'd easily fall for such a dumb trap. Garp and Luffy for instance.
You're right they would, but Jinbe has been a serious character all along, for him to suddenly turn into a Luffy silly character.. ugh
I dunno, the balloon trap is really off, I'm starting to believe Jinbe was captured on purpose, although I doubt it.
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Wasn't he captured because it was Shirahoshi's fault for mistaking her father for a fake made with balloons? Or so I seemed to understand.
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Yes it was Shirahoshi that was guiding the shark, which doesn't mean he couldn't have jumped off or used his karate to destroy the trap or simply forced the shark to steer away.
Regardless Shirahoshi's "COO" knowing Hodi killed her mom but not that the balloon is not her dad is..
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What's going on with Shirahoshi around here..First her power=CoC now she has CoO because she "felt" something when shirley got attacked…srsly people....
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What's going on with Shirahoshi around here..First her power=CoC now she has CoO because she "felt" something when shirley got attacked…srsly people....
Is there something wrong if people want to speculate possibilities?
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Regardless Shirahoshi's "COO" knowing Hodi killed her mom but not that the balloon is not her dad is..
Well, if I recall correctly COO allows you to determine the number of persons there's in a certain area, right? That would discard being this the reason why she knew Hody killed the queen. Nevermid, she still could develop it if we take into consideration her mother had COO. Inherited will, they call it.
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Ofcourse not but people here seem to lost their sanity with this "sea kings summon=CoC" and now because she looked worried before shirley got shot=CoO…
Maybe she would be able to control it but this scene has nothing to do with this.. -
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Not really fair to equate people saying the sea king thing was CoC with speculation about possible CoO from this chapter. It was extremely easy to see that the sea king summoning had absolutely nothing to do with the Sovereign Haki for numerous reasons, nothing really contradicts this being Observation Haki (that she can not yet control). It does make sense for the most part, Otohime was able to feel the hearts and pain and sadness of her people and Shirahoshi could have been able to feel that Hody wasn't actually sad back then. I think it's a pretty good explanation of how she could already know that he was the killer. The Shirley scene could be "oh noez Hody hurts people!!" but by the way it's drawn it could easily be more.
Not saying one way or the other but there's really nothing wrong with this particular theory.
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What if Shirahoshi simply saw that it was hodi? She was there at her mothers execution…
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That's not what a parody is. I wish people would stop trying to make everything deeper than what it really is.
Example of a parody:
Ginyu Force to Super Sentai (power rangers) where they both do stupid poses and say their names constantly, They are even called Ginyu TokuSENTAI.
Bobobo is a parody of Fist of the Northstar where the post apocalyptic waste land is now a land without hair, they have ridiculous overpowered art styles, and Bobobo's villains are his brothers, just like FOTNS.
Parody's have to have a similar theme going.
This has none of those. Do you see grim reapers or ghosts? No? It's not a parody of Bleach. It must have imitiation of some sort, and it's supposed to be OBVIOUS.
What you just pointed out was a mistake made by both authors.
Parodies don't necessarily have to expressly point at something.
Nonetheless, you've got to be blind to not realize the similarity between Hody and Aizen, who both have undergone evolutions of some sorts, which were effects of both Energy Steroids and Hougyoku. Moreover, a lot of things have happened off-screen during this arc, similar to what Kubo does in Bleach.
Where is Oda going to go with this, I don't know. Maybe it's a cheer-up aimed at Bleach's author, a spite, he simply wants to show how he would've gone with the plot (or lack of it) that Kubo's served throughout these 10 years, or he merely wants to show his superiority. Who knows.
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Wait, so Vander Decken just needs to TOUCH any object and it will start moving towards its target!?
If so, his is one of the most overwhelming devil fruit powers I've seen since Whitebeard's.
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Not really fair to equate people saying the sea king thing was CoC with speculation about possible CoO from this chapter. It was extremely easy to see that the sea king summoning had absolutely nothing to do with the Sovereign Haki for numerous reasons, nothing really contradicts this being Observation Haki (that she can not yet control). It does make sense for the most part, Otohime was able to feel the hearts and pain and sadness of her people and Shirahoshi could have been able to feel that Hody wasn't actually sad back then. I think it's a pretty good explanation of how she could already know that he was the killer. The Shirley scene could be "oh noez Hody hurts people!!" but by the way it's drawn it could easily be more.
Not saying one way or the other but there's really nothing wrong with this particular theory.
Pretty much, and as I said I won't be surprised if Shirahoshi has CoO. Besides, Otohime had, so it would make sense if the daughter inherited her will.
About she mistaking her father for a fake… Luffy too would have fallen like the idiot he is, and you all know I'm right.
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Wait, so Vander Decken just needs to TOUCH any object and it will start moving towards its target!?
I don't know how accurate mangastream is this time, but in their translation, at least, he says that he "threw" it. I really doubt he could have actually thrown an ark that is like a hundred times larger than Oars so I'm going to assume that he means he just pushed it (even though that's also pretty insane). So far his fruit has been portrayed as working only with stuff he himself "launches" and I honestly doubt he can just "will" it to move. I imagine he has to get it moving before the targeting effect takes place.
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Just found out that the rumble ball distorts the wavelengths of the Devil Fruit's transformation, it dosent amplify power just basickly tricks the brain. so goin by that definition it shares hardly any compparisons to the Es pill.
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Just found out that the rumble ball distorts the wavelengths of the Devil Fruit's transformation, it dosent amplify power just basickly tricks the brain. so goin by that definition it shares hardly any compparisons to the Es pill.
Wait, people forgot that? .______.
Yeah, Rumble Ball and Energy Steroid are totally different drugs. They're both drugs but they're hugely different in how they work.
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Just found out that the rumble ball distorts the wavelengths of the Devil Fruit's transformation, it dosent amplify power just basickly tricks the brain. so goin by that definition it shares hardly any compparisons to the Es pill.
Wait, people forgot that? .______.
Yeah, Rumble Ball and Energy Steroid are totally different drugs. They're both drugs but they're hugely different in how they work.
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Perhaps she has COO, that's why she knew Hody was the assassin, probably because she felt his presence.
If she had COO shouldn't she be able to undesrtand that the balloon wasn't her father?
Also to the guys talking about oda's mistake on the 150km issue:did oda confirm this?
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I don;t understand why Hodi exposed himself by admitting he killed the queen?
By that he did show to all fishmen (and readers) that :
1. it was not human who killed Otohime, and they not need a reason to hate human because of that. they just blame Hodi.
2. Hodi is pure evil, arrogant, hate everyone, etc. (and i haven't seen his reason of being evil yet)
3. Hodi is strong and smart enough to be capable enemies for SHSo can now SH kicked his ass??? (Too bad.. i expect him to be new nakama before.. still don't give up this aspiration though..)
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Jimbei 4 Nakama?
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Perhaps she has COO, that's why she knew Hody was the assassin, probably because she felt his presence.
whats COO?
You mean that type of haki?
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I don;t understand why Hodi exposed himself by admitting he killed the queen?
By that he did show to all fishmen (and readers) that :
1. it was not human who killed Otohime, and they not need a reason to hate human because of that. they just blame Hodi.
2. Hodi is pure evil, arrogant, hate everyone, etc. (and i haven't seen his reason of being evil yet)
3. Hodi is strong and smart enough to be capable enemies for SHSo can now SH kicked his ass??? (Too bad.. i expect him to be new nakama before.. still don't give up this aspiration though..)
I'm pretty sure he was trying to get a rise out of Shirahoshi most likely to get her to summon Sea Kings
whats COO?
You mean that type of haki?
nah he means coo like you know what birds sound like.
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Hodi for nakama!!!!
wait… wrong topic?
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And just why is that?
Lil' perverted kids who just want to see more boobs in every chapter.
"The SH need more women!" haha, definitely, it's an essential thing to have if Luffy aspires to be PK guys, would be a very very bad story-telling if not and would kill OP.
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Someone at Narutofan Forums pointed out that this fishman looks like Woop Slap:
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i would so mark for arlong return, it just seems to be pointing that way
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Someone at Narutofan Forums pointed out that this fishman looks like Woop Slap:
[qimg]http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z42/Young_Cell22/mayor.png[/qimg]I noticed that! Same hat.
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Lil' perverted kids who just want to see more boobs in every chapter.
There's absolutely nothing wrong with wanting more boobs.
Even for Lil' perverted OLD MEN like me. -
I don't think Hodi hates humans. There's no reason for him to hate humans. What he hates is Otohime, the royal family, and all goody-two-shoes.
He's just using hatred for humans to rally up fishmen for his private army and to usurp Ryuuguu Kingdom so he can launch more military campaigns to plunder more power.
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I don;t understand why Hodi exposed himself by admitting he killed the queen?
By that he did show to all fishmen (and readers) that :
1. it was not human who killed Otohime, and they not need a reason to hate human because of that. they just blame Hodi.
2. Hodi is pure evil, arrogant, hate everyone, etc. (and i haven't seen his reason of being evil yet)
3. Hodi is strong and smart enough to be capable enemies for SHSo can now SH kicked his ass??? (Too bad.. i expect him to be new nakama before.. still don't give up this aspiration though..)
He told everyone that he killed the queen because there is no point hiding it anymore. He's got so much power, no one he knows can stop him. Only someone he doesn't know can stop him.
By the way, isn't tossing a baby kind of child abuse? Doesn't that mean Mr. 9 and Ms. Monday are horrible ignorant parents? And doesn't that mean Oda lacks the common sense to raise babies?
Well, his wife rears his kids so that's probably why. -
Ok I have a wild theory regarding Jimbei's cheap capture. Granted this is all probably quite farfetched but who knows?
I notice that when Shirahoshi apologies Jimbei for being captured he simply implies its over already, don't worry about it! He doesn't seem shocked or phazed by the fact that he, the one who planned to stop hodi was captured.
Then i believe Hodi, now with the supposed threats contained he feels the need to blurt out his "secret:ninja:". Now I wonder if its possible that Shirahoshi made a plan to get Hodi to blurt this out just so the inhabitants would know the truth, to which would allow the straw hats the freedom to beat hodi not because he's a fishman and hates humans but for he murdered the beloved queen and reduce the risk of the hatred cycle continuing? Though Jimbei didn't know this he had trust in Shirahoshi and decided to follow with her plan whilst the straw hats are either hiding in Megalo, or of rescuing the "for now imprisoned" Zoro, Brooke and Mansopp. Thus why Jimbei isn't very concerned that he was captured and mabye thats why he wasn't as careful to avoid getting caught for he had his ace up his sleeve being the strawhats.
Just a crazy theory of mine of course. I doubt it but I just can't see how Jimbei would have got captured so easily. Now if the neptune balloon was more realistic on the other hand.
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Nice theory Pharier.
I'm really itching to see the awesomeness of timeskip Straw-hats displaying their upgraded skills for so long.. and this keeps dragging from the history of Fishmen Island and all….zzzzzzzz
Back on this chapter:
Initially when Hody was slashed by Zoro in a single slash, I was like oh crap this is too weak for a main villian! Not surprisingly, he was upgraded by a few pills and now he has transformed/evolved.
I think, the differences between Rumble Ball and that steroids is that, RB deals with Devil Fruit powers, where as steroids generally make anyone, be it DF users or not, stronger.
so perhaps overdose adn side effect of the drug for fishes, or fishmen in this case, made them stronger. fuses the element (water) of hodi and gives him the ability to produce water. I would really like to see Jinbe own Hody's water based powers, since Jinbe's true mastery of Fishmen Karate allows that.
On the capture of Jinbe, I guess he did it on purpose, as this is a plan devised by him and straw-hats.
I also do not think Luffy will be saving zoro et al, as Brooke is gonna manage to set them free. Instead, Sanji could be planning something....
Also, VDD's throwing of Noah proves my hunch of him destroying FI, and not Luffy. As Mdm Shirley's prediction only saw someone with a STRAW HAT, that doesnt mean Luffy. AND because of her taunt to Hody, Hody will wanna rip off Luffy, FORCING Luffy to settle him. True that Luffy has no reason to fight Hody, but if Luffy regards the Shira-zzzz princess as a friend (cus he killed her mom), and Hody hunting Luffy down, or maybe do things to Luffy's crewmates to make luffy fight him, I think he might fight Hody.
It will be major LOL if Noah came to the princess but instead it smashes on all the 10, 000 outlaws. LOLLLLLLLLLLL
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On Mr. 9 x Ms. Monday: I should have known that the two of them were still alive, but I wasn't expecting to see them in the coverstory, much less married with a kid. Still, good for them.
On the Princes getting captured: Expected, but I would have liked the three Princes, particularly Fukaboshi, to put up more of a fight… I had a 3v1 scenario in my head of Luffy, Jinbe, and Fukaboshi jointly taking on Hody (so drugged up as to be nigh unstoppable) as a final battle for the arc.
On Madam Shirley being Arlong's sister: Nice! I'm really liking the additional characterization that Arlong is getting through this arc... And I'm not entirely sure that Oda's not setting us up for his return.
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On Hody assassinating Otohime: I love that Hody makes his big reveal only for Shirahoshi to say what everyone reading was thinking... :p Not really a surprise, given what we know about him.On Decken "throwing" Noah: Well... THAT could cause some problems...
On no One Piece next week: NOOO!!! T_T Feel better, Oda!
You're rite, the princes have been beaten offpanel cause Oda didn't want to show what the NFPs are capable of in fights.
And don't forget: yet Hody is the only one with an overdoze! Imagine all other officers having the very same overdoze.
Make it happen, Oda!
IDK it could be that Shirahoshi has CoO, her reaction on Shirley gettin shot was kinda suspective, but if they're friends it'd explain it.
And she didn't use it to avoid Decken's projectiles cause she is such a crybaby.
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@Pharier
That theory dosun't sound that bad. It'd explain why Jinbe was caught so easily and it'd leave Shirahoshi pretty smart.
Cause she knew bout what happened she let him do his confession and anger all the people who liked Otohime.
The only flaw in this theory is:
How could Shirahoshi know that Hodi would tell his "secret" after capturing her? Maybe cause she knew that Hody would feel safe after catching her revealing his secret to the public.--- Update From New Post Merge ---
Also Shirahoshi dosun't have to have a fully developed CoO.
Maybe it just works in close ranges and if we consider of how far away VDD shot axes at her, she couldn't hear him doing that cause he was way too far away.
I like the theory of her havin CoO just like her mom.
Look @ Aisa from Skypia. She also had CoO.
IDK whats your problem is with Shirahoshi havin CoO.
Aisa proves that CoO dosun't make u an upper badass strong top tier fighter.
And maybe she and Jinbe got caught on purpose, so Hody could feel safe and reveal his dirty "secret", just like Pharier speculated.
I kinda like this theory. In this way Jinbe and the SHs could have made up a plan so Luffy can stop Hody instead of Jinbe.
Sth like:
Jinbe: ok, I know u wanna stop him, but what bout the hatred of the fishmen towards humans and stuff?
Shira: Well, I know sth bout Hody that would make him look really bad to the merfolk.
Jinbe: yeah, what is it?
Shira: I can't tell u yet, but you'll see. Let's just head to the plaza first.
Jinbe: 'kay, SHs, you can come to the plaza later. I'll check with Shirahoshi. In an emergency case u still can run wild with the NFP, but let us go first pleeze.
SHs: okay.Well, that dialogue sounded better in my mind than on the screen, but u never know what Oda can be up to.
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There's absolutely nothing wrong with wanting more boobs.
Even for Lil' perverted OLD MEN like me.boobs ftw! ! ! :D
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Anyone else who lost all their respect for the vice-commanders of Hody?
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There's absolutely nothing wrong with wanting more boobs.
Even for Lil' perverted OLD MEN like me.If you read City Hunter 20 years ago, I suppose you are somewhere around 35 (or 40 even).
And your mokkori seems to be as vigorous as ever. -
There's absolutely nothing wrong with wanting more boobs.
Even for Lil' perverted OLD MEN like me.!
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I don't think that Shira-something(the little crybaby)get caught on purpose… She just doesn't seem like this to me.... She looks more like Luffy and Chopper who can get caught in all kind of idiotic traps!
And if she didn't get caught in purpose then that makes the possibility of her having CoO even more unlikely, 'cause if she had it she would be able to understand that the balloon wasn't her father.
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Caribou is a tricky guy coming up with that balloon-father. Will this mean Caribou is allying himself with Hody?