Eh, this whole thing about the size of the island is screwed up. I don't see the point in arguing about it any further :ninja: .
Chapter 631: "Gyoncord Plaza" -Discussion
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Best chapter in a while, the last few chapters were "ok" at best and cringe-worthy at worst, but this one was great despite the lack of strawhats and it's always nice to be reminded why I like Van der Decken so much. The only problem I had was two pages dedicated to showing us how EXTREEEEEME Hodi's attack was OH EHM GEE!!, that reminds me a bit too much of lesser shonen series like DBZ.
I'm hoping we get a nice battle between the princes and villains that isn't too anticlimactic.
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Anyone think as well that maybe wasn't Luffy in the prediction of Shirley but VDD?
Well we only have seen a shadow with a hat… And now VDD wants to break everything apart
Of course, thats what I have been thinking as well. Though seeing how strong Hody got is flashing me back to when Jango hypnotized Luffy. If Luffy eats one out of stupidity, I could definitely see FI being destroyed.
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Yeah… Fishman Island is 10 kilometers bellow sea level, and it has a spheric bubble around it, which means that if the bubble had a radius of more than 150 kilometers the top of the bubble should reach far above the sea level... So definitely a mistake.
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I really hate how every single soldier is fodder. There were some tall guys standing in formation with Hody in the flashback. Really no more elite soldiers in their army?
Yeah, it does kind of suck how every single seaman and whatnot is always fodder and they just magicly get any kind of fighting ability only after they get promoted.
That's basicly the problem with the Marines too.
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And the striped cloak. And the fact Oda chose to obscure the steering wheel head and his sword feet…
Besides, wouldn't Yorki, presuming he wasn't dead, be a really old man by now?
Wouldn't Kong be a realy old man if he was at the very top of the Marines worldwide rank structure over 20 years ago ? And that he apears to be older then both Garp and Sengoku ?
There's also the matter of a person called you might have heard about called "Kureha" :ninja:
My point is, in Shounen, old people usualy kick ass while getting unrealisticly old at the same time
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Read it.
It was a fine chapter!
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I'm impatient for the Strawhats to arrive, but good chapter.
http://mangastream.com/read/one_piece/45311205/19
^I want that Shanks and Benn Beckmannnn!
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@No:
Yeah, it does kind of suck how every single seaman and whatnot is always fodder and they just magicly get any kind of fighting ability only after they get promoted.
That's basicly the problem with the Marines too.
It's not that they get powers after getting promoted it's that they get promoted because of their powers :ninja: .
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After the last chapter dissapointment im even more dissapointed because why do i have to wait another week to see some ass kicking the princes are really strong im thinking monster trio level, good chapter this week
You have the three princes slicing up several giant sea beasts on steroids in one slash.
How is that not awesome ?
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It's not that they get powers after getting promoted it's that they get promoted because of their powers :ninja: .
But do we ever see someone who has gotten strong enough to be promoted, but has yet not been promoted ? :ninja:
It just feels all of them are completely worthless in the long run unless they get a coat and tie.
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@No:
You have the three princes slicing up several giant sea beasts on steroids in one slash.
How is that not awesome ?
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But do we ever see someone who has gotten strong enough to be promoted, but has yet not been promoted ? :ninja:
It just feels all of them are completely worthless in the long run unless they get a coat and tie.
Slicing is boring, especially after Neptune used fancy merman-combat-ultra-marine-kame-hame-ha
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Deal with it, Oda didn't think of the logical size restriction here. It's NOT a printing mistake, even 15 instead of 150 would be far too much. That's just how it is. 5 km in ANY direction means the bubble is about double that high - that's just how it works.
We COULD just say that "oh, fishman island is 10.000 metres under the sea - that is where the TOP is…" or sth like that. But that's just equally retarded coz it'd mean it would extend at least 300km downwards... It's simple, Oda made a huge mistake here regarding the logical size issues and also population number, I guess, to make it more impressive while ignoring the restrictions he set himself. He screwed up.
Doesn't make the story less interesting.
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Yeah… Fishman Island is 10 kilometers bellow sea level, and it has a spheric bubble around it, which means that if the bubble had a radius of more than 150 kilometers the top of the bubble should reach far above the sea level... So definitely a mistake.
This also holds true with a sphere of a 15km radius. It would make FI 30km wide and tall. Unless the translators in this forum disagree and know something I don't, the more likely explanation is that Oda wrote 1,50 km and someone removed the coma or Japanese equivalent. But since I wouln't know if this is missable in Japanese writing, I wouldn't wan't to speculate on this.
Regardless of language 1,5 km seems far more likely than 15 kms nevermind 150kms.
Also, just thinking about the scale of the attacks from the strongest people in the world during the War it does not seem logical at all to give it even 15k.
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@No:
But do we ever see someone who has gotten strong enough to be promoted, but has yet not been promoted ? :ninja:
It just feels all of them are completely worthless in the long run unless they get a coat and tie.
I'm quite sure I remember seeing Smoker saying something like "there are people who are far above my position but have the same level of power as me"…
This also holds true with a sphere of a 15km radius. It would make FI 30km wide and tall. Unless the translators in this forum disagree and know something I don't, the more likely explanation is that Oda wrote 1,50 km and someone removed the coma or Japanese equivalent. But since I wouln't know if this is missable in Japanese writing, I wouldn't wan't to speculate on this.
Regardless of language 1,5 km seems far more likely than 15 kms nevermind 150kms.
Also, just thinking about the scale of the attacks from the strongest people in the world during the War it does not seem logical at all to give it even 15k.
Agreed, I also think that something around 1,5 km is probably what was intended by Oda…
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Deal with it, Oda didn't think of the logical size restriction here. It's NOT a printing mistake, even 15 instead of 150 would be far too much. That's just how it is. 5 km in ANY direction means the bubble is about double that high - that's just how it works.
We COULD just say that "oh, fishman island is 10.000 metres under the sea - that is where the TOP is…" or sth like that. But that's just equally retarded coz it'd mean it would extend at least 300km downwards... It's simple, Oda made a huge mistake here regarding the logical size issues and also population number, I guess, to make it more impressive while ignoring the restrictions he set himself. He screwed up.
Doesn't make the story less interesting.
Even 1.5 km would be impressive, you know? Oda wouldn't have done this just to make the attack INSANELY impressive. It's a printing error.
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This also holds true with a sphere of a 15km radius. It would make FI 30km wide and tall. Unless the translators in this forum disagree and know something I don't, the more likely explanation is that Oda wrote 1,50 km and someone removed the coma or Japanese equivalent. But since I wouln't know if this is missable in Japanese writing, I wouldn't wan't to speculate on this.
Regardless of language 1,5 km seems far more likely than 15 kms nevermind 150kms.
Also, just thinking about the scale of the attacks from the strongest people in the world during the War it does not seem logical at all to give it even 15k.Central Park in New York is roughly 843 acres (3.41 km2) - length of 4kms.
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Even 1.5 km would be impressive, you know? Oda wouldn't have done this just to make the attack INSANELY impressive. It's a printing error.
Sure it's a printing error. Or Oda messed up for once. Which one you go with is your choice until it has been proven and doesn't change how you stand towards OP - but it's far more likely that he miscalculated things this time.
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I'm barely alive. I've read the chapter in Japanese. I can make the script and give it to Aohige_AP if he wants to check it. I'm out if you ask me, hardly can stand on my feet.
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@THE:
Let me just say that Oda is making a mistake because Fishman island is only 10 km underwater. The diameter of the bubble covering it being more than 150 km make no sense whatsoever.
the top part of fishman island can be 10km underwater, come on now use your imagination. There is no way it took the princes a hour to get there if the distance was just 1.5 km. i can run there faster then that.
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I'm barely alive. I've read the chapter in Japanese. I can make the script and give it to Aohige_AP if he wants to check it. I'm out if you ask me, hardly can stand on my feet.
No need to kill yourself man :P get some sleep.
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@No:
You have the three princes slicing up several giant sea beasts on steroids in one slash.
How is that not awesome ?
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But do we ever see someone who has gotten strong enough to be promoted, but has yet not been promoted ? :ninja:
It just feels all of them are completely worthless in the long run unless they get a coat and tie.
Im sorry did i not make my self clear enough if you read my post you will see i actually said it was a good chapter and the only dissapointing thing is that i have to wait another week for the next chapter
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Central Park in New York is roughly 843 acres (3.41 km2) - length of 4kms.
So the population of FI all reside in around the space of Central Park - seems crowded.But FI is three-dimensional, so there are several layers, it is like a giant apartment complex…
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one way or another oda made a mistake.
if it's a printing error then it's a mistake for oda to make the princes so slow.
if oda really intended 150 km, it's a mistake for miscalculating.you just have to accept it
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the top part of fishman island can be 10km underwater, come on now use your imagination. There is no way it took the princes a hour to get there if the distance was just 1.5 km. i can run there faster then that.
Actually, it is the bottom of the island, no, the sea bottom, that is 10000 meter underwater:
http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/6660/010hi.png
http://img135.imageshack.us/img135/2410/011xk.png
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But FI is three-dimensional, so there are several layers, it is like a giant apartment complex…
lol earth is three-dimensional, it doesnt change anything. and new york is a giant apartment complex.
If you look at the earth from space, its one big circle. land doesnt stretch out in the same straight line from above as it does when we our on ground, it curves.
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first time i notice that there is three roots around fishman island and not two
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lol earth is three-dimensional, it doesnt change anything. and new york is a giant apartment complex.
If you look at the earth from space, its one big circle. land doesnt stretch out in the same straight line from above as it does when we our on ground, it curves.
What are you talking about? Did you even read our posts?
First of all, he was talking about the Central Park only (not the whole New York City), and how it would be crowded if they tried to make the whole population of FI fit in Central Park, and my point was that it wouldn't be crowded if they transformed the whole central park into a giant apartment building, with several floors…
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first time i notice that there is three roots around fishman island and not two
Funny, I noticed it with the first appearance.
And taking another look at that panel, we still don't have any info on that bubble on the ground. The fact that it's separate… the Fishman District where those exiled refugees that Hodi had brought in just a couple chapters ago, perhaps? Either that, or it's a prison of some sort, kept away from the civilians.
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What are you talking about? Did you even read our posts?
First of all, he was talking about the Central Park only (not the whole New York City), and how it would be crowded if they tried to make the whole population of FI fit in Central Park, and my point was that it wouldn't be crowded if they transformed the whole central park into a giant apartment building, with several floors…
It would be crowded though - because there needs to be viable space - also there is a large amount of water in that space as well which doesn't bother them being aquatic but obviously their more interested in living above the water not in it. I think the population of the Island was stated earlier in the series wasn't it?
Chapter 624 Otohime say's 5 million people populate FI - so 5 Million people in Central Park?
Sound's way too crowded even with multiple levels.Hawaii - The state encompasses nearly the entire volcanic Hawaiin Island Chain, which comprises hundreds of islands spread over 1,500 miles (2,400 km) has a population of 1,295,178
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It might be that I read that manga recently, and I know Oda was a fan, but this arc is reminding me more and more of Kinnikuman lately.
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Asian cities are more crowded than NY.
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Glad to have an actual spelling for Hody now. Not much this chapter, but I found it better than the previous one. Princes being badass, Hody Jones is going through some weird effects from the pills….and we leave on a cliff hanger.
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Asian cities are more crowded than NY.
And the princes are slow because of super traffic jam. Nice explanation.
Can we stop talking about this dumb distance discussion?
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It would be crowded though - because there needs to be viable space - also there is a large amount of water in that space as well which doesn't bother them being aquatic but obviously their more interested in living above the water not in it. I think the population of the Island was stated earlier in the series wasn't it?
Chapter 624 Otohime say's 5 million people populate FI - so 5 Million people in Central Park?
Sound's way too crowded even with multiple levels.Hawaii - The state encompasses nearly the entire volcanic Hawaiin Island Chain, which comprises hundreds of islands spread over 1,500 miles (2,400 km) has a population of 1,295,178
Maybe you're missing a 0 in the conversion. No one is really debating the fact that, length wise, on the ground, in one direction, 150 KM is fine. The problem is they are in a circular bubble, which means it also has to be at least that tall, if not taller.
150KM=150,000M. And they are only 10,000M below the water. And your Hawaii example is only a fraction of the size.
15 KM makes a lot more sense height wise, but is still pretty damn huge and goes over the top of the ocean. 15,000 M tall.
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Can we stop talking about this dumb distance discussion?
Oda messed up. That's all.Well other then Hody's power up it's just more set up - at least distance is interesting. Also we've spent longer descussions on less viable information
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@RobbyBevard:
No one is really debating the fact that, ground wise, 150 KM is fine. The problem is they are in a circular bubble, which means it also has to be at least that tall, if not taller.
150KM=15,000M. And they are only 10,000M below the water.
15 KM makes a lot more sense, but is still pretty damn huge. 1,500 M tall.
NOt quite. A Km is 1000 meters, so 150 km= 150,000 M
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No one is really debating the fact that, ground wise, 150 KM is fine. The problem is they are in a circular bubble, which means it also has to be at least that tall, if not taller.
150KM=15,000M. And they are only 10,000M below the water.
15 KM makes a lot more sense, but is still pretty damn huge. 1,500 M tall.Yeah I know - I just think perhaps Oda's spent his time running with approx 150km distance thinking length like I was not taking in the rudementry Sphere mechanics in maths - simple mistake MAJOR ramifications - there isn't much of a way out of this unless he retcons something.
Like changing the bubble from a sphere to an oval/oblong shape.
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Look, to be honest, I don't think Oda likes this Arc as much anymore, because he hyped it up in his head for the past 10 years, and now that it's here, it seems… weird, and would be better off ending soon.
Oda generally doesn't do chapters without a single strawhat appearing like this, there has been too much exposition and a lack of One Piece fun in the past couple of chapters, I don't know how to explain it other than Oda is bored with this arc.
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How does the strawhats not appearing mean Oda doesn't like the arc? If anything, it means he likes the other characters a lot and wants to flesh them out a bit instead of spending all his focus on Luffy and making the villains generic cardboard cutouts
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Is there no way for Oda to fix this little math issue in the volume release?
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Look, to be honest, I don't think Oda likes this Arc as much anymore, because he hyped it up in his head for the past 10 years, and now that it's here, it seems… weird, and would be better off ending soon.
Oda generally doesn't do chapters without a single strawhat appearing like this, there has been too much exposition and a lack of One Piece fun in the past couple of chapters, I don't know how to explain it other than Oda is bored with this arc.It's possible but I wouldn't say bored with this arc - perhaps more excited about something coming up - or it could be going exactly the way he has planned it - whose to say.
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What are you talking about? Did you even read our posts?
First of all, he was talking about the Central Park only (not the whole New York City), and how it would be crowded if they tried to make the whole population of FI fit in Central Park, and my point was that it wouldn't be crowded if they transformed the whole central park into a giant apartment building, with several floors…
5 million people in an apartment building? the size of central park…..the streets never look that crowded so far in the manga. robin's bus was almost empty.
Fishman island does not have to be a perfect circle, it could easily be an oblique or Oda just screwed up. I never thought about this bout 10,000m is pretty shallow to be the bottom of an ocean. At least in earth terms.
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Jesus fucking Christ. DOES IT MATTER?!?
And how does the Straw Hats not being in it mean Oda is bored? Your just the one thats bored.
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Damn so I guess Oda is really going through with the use of drugs to make Hodi a "formidable" opponent. Now I can really see Jinbe fighting him first, gets his ass kicked and then Luffy beating him.
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Couldn't you all just accept that this island is mysterious?
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5 million people in an apartment building? the size of central park…..the streets never look that crowded so far in the manga. robin's bus was almost empty.
Fishman island does not have to be a perfect circle, it could easily be an oblique or Oda just screwed up. I never thought about this bout 10,000m is pretty shallow to be the bottom of an ocean. At least in earth terms.
Challenger Deep in the Mariana Trench is the deepest point in Earth's oceans. The bottom there is 10,924 meters (35,840 feet) below sea level. If Mount Everest, the highest mountain on Earth, were placed at this location it would be covered by over one mile of water. The Challenger Deep is named after the British survey ship Challenger II, which discovered this deepest location in 1951.
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Jesus fucking Christ. DOES IT MATTER?!?
More than you can possibly imagine.
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NOt quite. A Km is 1000 meters, so 150 km= 150,000 M
And 15 KM works if its only measuring to the top of the sphereOh sure, quote me before I fix my mistake on my own.
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