Couldn't you have thought up a better username Juju?
Bart Simpson Thread XI: The Movie - The Manga Adaption - The Animation
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Fighting at parties is lame. I avoid fights and I never said I ran from cops. I am not the king of anything, I just said I danced with girls. I find it funny how you guys think dancing with girls is some mission impossible. Can't the mode look at my Ip and show that I live in New York?
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Yea just stop posting here.
There's no shame in being from a farm near Chelyabinsk Russia Juju.
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I am a-good american, club fun fun time, dancey girl very nice, clark gable, coca cola, a-mickey a-mouse, god-a bless the spacious purple mountains, yes
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A-new yorka, a-new yorka, she is how you say.... Great apple
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@Monkey:
You sound like a bad marketing campaign aimed at pre-teens.
But anyway, since I'm nice I'll help you on that photo taking.
Here you go.
Off-topic. The 2nd image. That was a nice read, thanks
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Just curious but since Mito Uzamaki was married to the first they would have a kid right? which would mean Naruto has blood relation to Tsunade and the First Hokage right?
Yeah, I thought about that too, when I saw it.
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So Tsunade IS Naruto's granny? :ninja:
Is it too much to ask for a SINGLE new jutsu? Bored of Rasengan
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Is it too much to ask for a SINGLE new jutsu? Bored of Rasengan
It is too much to ask apparently. It's not going to happen. Naruto has close to unlimited chakra to continue using it. It makes any other technique useless, since it's an A/S rank technique. If a large based attack comes his way, all Naruto needs to do is either block it with either a large stupid fox hand, or a giant rasengan. So that's basically it. Naruto's speed makes him the fastest character in the series, which in turn makes him one of the best taijutsu users in the series. Especially with stupid fox hands making other taijutsu enemy users around him useless, unless you have a sharingan. That's probably why Kishi has all the Jinchuuriki with sharingan eyes. Otherwise, none of them would be a challenge for Naruto. Ninjutsu, Naruto is already the best. He has unlimited chakra and he knows two of the most powerful techniques in the series, the rasengan/frs. If Naruto can create a mini frs, he can create a giant one. Genjutsu is Naruto's only weakness. But he'll always be able to break out of it. So where's the fun in knowing that Naruto has just been gifted with god powers? Where's the fun in knowing that when someone like Madara or Sasuke will try to challenge Naruto, it will be both fighters throwing beams of chakra at each other? …
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Gah. In one point in Naruto Shippuden episode 215, Naruto and Sasuke have their attacks mixed up! I think I'm gonna be sick…
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Fighting at parties is lame. I avoid fights and I never said I ran from cops. I am not the king of anything, I just said I danced with girls. I find it funny how you guys think dancing with girls is some mission impossible. Can't the mode look at my Ip and show that I live in New York?
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Yea just stop posting here.
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Yea I think I got rasengan diabetes this chapter. Remember the best thing about seeing the QB fight? It was the fact that he didn't use the rasengan.
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ahh my bad I forgot bijudama = rasengan.
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Gah. In one point in Naruto Shippuden episode 215, Naruto and Sasuke have their attacks mixed up! I think I'm gonna be sick…
Good god, man.
That was in the manga. Listen to the dialogue (or read it).
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Episode 218 had all the biju´s animated including 10tail one who lool pretty shity.I still dont know what gender is feudel lord of konoha and dont know why they put "leaf hero newspaper" filler, not bad episode.
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There's filler again?
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Seems its going to be 70%-30% perhaps because preview also showed shizune crying over tsunade scene, but im guessing fillers are going to start around this episodes.
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http://mangastream.com/read/naruto/57765310/13
Does this mean Naruto´s transformation is going to be like the thunder god Raijin? So, Sasuke´s getting a Faggy Scarf or something like a pouch to be the wind god Fujin? or am i just overimagining things?
Sasuke is Raijin, Nauto is Fuujin.
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Naruto Ultimate Ninja Storm Generations announcement trailer
Get to use pre timeskip characters I'm liking it already
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Naruto. The filler anime. Around half of the series is pointless, aggravating filler. We use this filler to explore the 405th forgotten legendary enemy of Konoha! We could have used it to explore other countries besides Konoha which would give the audience what they want even if it wouldn't be canon. But we decided coming up with more and more incredibly bland, generic villians is what mass audiences want. And considering all the people eating up the current Naruto manga, I don't think Naruto's audience has particularly high standards for their stories. YAY MONEY!
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I like to think that twenty years down the line Naruto's anime will be remembered solely for having over a year of nothing but filler.
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That and that one Pain episode.
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That and that one Pain episode.
That one episode that is only spoken of in whispers, for if it is uttered out loud then it shall bring terror and chaos from everyone in the room automatically deciding to run away, run for their very soul, from the horror that is Naruto Shippuden 167.
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YOuR JUST HATING AND NOT APPRECIATING 167'S TECHNICAL SHIT
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@Cyan:
YOuR JUST HATING AND NOT APPRECIATING 167'S TECHNICAL SHIT
Indeed! The Graphics, I say, are a beautiful piece of art! TV shows can get wacky at times, and this is when it blossoms in a good way!
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plz someone explain what happened on this pagehttp://mangastream.com/read/naruto/57765310/16. It looked like Naruto threw the rasengan thingy and zetsu turned into water instead of being cut in half. Usually don't yu have to summon a summon on a substance? How exactly did gamahiro come out of the sky?
Also why watse chakra doing rasengans when a simple swipe would cut them in half.
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Naruto Ultimate Ninja Storm Generations announcement trailer
Get to use pre timeskip characters I'm liking it already
naruto games y u so gud
your manga is so bad
but u r so gud
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! @Namixluffy2:
! > sorry it took me so long to reply. Too much parties this weekend
! Don't feel sorry about this. We all have lives and I was confident you'd reply. It's cool bro. So don't feel sorry about taking awhile to reply.
! Especially when I'm guilty of the same thing right now lol.
! So by all means, take as long as you need to. I'll wait.
! @Namixluffy2:
! > How does Raikage letting Naruto pass make him useless. The story is about the Uchia and uzamakis, Fine, but i don't see how that makes Raikage useless. Raikage could end up killing Kabuto, will he still be useless? Naruto hasn't pushed aside anybody. Naruto/Bee just convinced him to let him go after multiple attempts of killing him. I still don't see how having the Sage of the six path blood means your irre.
! This is why in my first post that started this mess I said you just didn't get it.
! This is why back during our sexism debate on your last account I REALLY needed to pound why something was wrong in your head.
! You're looking at things at face value. You're taking it as literally as possible and completely missing the underlying implications of what is happening.
! The Raikage is a very powerful man. Both in physical strength and in political strength. Yet he's completely willing to let Naruto and Bee go, likely falling right into Madara's plans, after Naruto used the power of Talk no Jutsu. Sure Bee helped but that's beside the point. The point is Naruto, an Uzemaki, is having people who really should be important and really shouldn't let Naruto and Bee go for any reason is letting them stroll by, defying all logic.
! These characters aren't controlling the how the story continues anymore. Almost everything is decided by descendants of the Sage of Six Paths now.
! Destiny is now everything and hard work is dead.
! @Namixluffy2:
! > I guess Kabuto is also irrelevant too, but yet he is a the major arc villain.
! The main villain here is Madara. Obviously.
! @Namixluffy2:
! > Point is kind of moot. Rock Lee loss every major fight he has been in. Naruto still works hard or he wouldn't be the child of destiny. He would be dead.
! Almost every major fight. Rock Lee has pulled off some victories. And even when he didn't win, sometimes it was a moral victory enough that one could say "yeah he didn't win, but look how close he came with nothing but the power of hard work". My best example I can think of off the top of my head is the example I believe I already mentioned, the Rock Lee vs Gaara fight.
! And again, I have to point out that if this was part 1 Naruto you'd be absolutely right. Part 1 Naruto worked his tail off (no pun intended) to become stronger. And even then he still sometimes lost. His kyuubi powers sometimes helped, but even then it was not always a gurantee for victory. Especially if he can't control it.
But that was then. In part 2 Naruto after awhile is now the child of destiny. He's literally pulling new powers out of his ass. And by new powers, I mean new super forms (sage mode and this super sayian kyuubi form) and new variations of the ransengan.
! Instead of him being a random kid who was unlucky enough to have a demon fox in him that wants to be the best, he's now chosen to have the fox put in him. Chosen to be the one to stop Madara. He's the son of the Fourth and has the blood of the Sage of Six Paths in him. He's destined for greatness now and is now one of the most powerful ninja in the entire series.
! Why don't you get this?
! @Namixluffy2:
! > Naruto hasn't done anything in the war yet either, but being the main character his role will be the most important.
! Yet is the key word here. Chances are everyone will get their asses kicked and Naruto will swoop in to save the day.
! @Namixluffy2:
! > Sakura found out about Madara plan and alerted the alliance, Ino stopped Kin from killing their whole fleet, and Choji destroyed half their fleet. I also gurentee Gaara, Rock lee, and others from the 11 will do things in the 2nd day.
! I hope they become more relevant. I want them to be more relevant. I want to be proven wrong. I genuinely hope there's more moments like the Ino-Shika-Cho tag team.
! But that's not what we're talking about. They're still irrelevant in the grand scheme of the story. They are just footsoliders in a war, which would be fine, BUT compared to Naruto or Sasuke, they have no impact on the greater events of the story.
! @Namixluffy2:
! > On my main point. Naruto still doesn't belive in destiny, he just wants to do what his parents left for him.
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Whether Naruto cares isn't the issue at all. The fact is that it was implied even one clone could kill him quickly, and he's making tons now with no visible side effects. it's bad writing plain and simple.If Kishi wanted to do this, than he shouldn't have made that page that said he couldn't. The chakra system had potential until it became extremely clear that it was totally irrelevant and nobody ever ran out of chakra no matter what techniques they used (except Kakashi, which is bull because Kakashi should have far, far more chakra than the average ninja, so I'm guessing he just missed the memo)
The page doesn't say he couldn't do it (use clones).
! As you said in your second sentence it was only "implied" that using clones was a significant risk which could wind up killing him. And you know what? It is a significant risk but it also says for every clone he makes the fox will drain a "portion" of Naruto's chakra. Not anything like, 'It'll double the amount of chakra the fox drains from you!' I'm sure Naruto will feel the drain but there's also this as Juju credibly pointed out.
! His unnaturally large chakra attribute has been reinforced over and over again since Part 1 of the series…
! So it's a credible case for Naruto being able to create clones and be able to withstand the chakra drain better than the others.
The Hachibi (8 Tails Biju) was just talking from his and Killer Bee's own experience. They don't know how much extra chakra Naruto has. The Hachibi warned Naruto not to underestimate the Kyubi but couldn't it just as easily be the same case the other way around?
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Just curious but since Mito Uzamaki was married to the first they would have a kid right? which would mean Naruto has blood relation to Tsunade and the First Hokage right?
Naruto is related to everybody at this point. Anyway, you're right. Naruto is related to Tsunade because he has Uzumaki blood running through him. Tsunade also has some Uzumaki blood running through her because her grandmother was an Uzumaki.
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The chapter was pretty good. Naruto ran around smashing up Zetsu clones and rooting out the enemy for the majority of the chapter. It's pretty hard to screw that up. We all saw this savior act coming so it's no big surprise. Whoever remembered that talk with the 8 tails about cloning brought up a really good point though. I'll be watching out to see how far Kishi will make Naruto to go with those clones.
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Just curious. The last chapter I read was the one where the one puppet guy was killed by love or something.
Has the series gotten any better since then?
And, is it actually close to ending (close as in a year or less left) as far as anyone can tell? If so then I'll probably catch up and see it to the end, just for the sake of nostalgia.
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Well I hope it will end soon …but I kinda doubt it ... :/
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Just curious. The last chapter I read was the one where the one puppet guy was killed by love or something.
Has the series gotten any better since then?
If anything its only gotten worse.
And, is it actually close to ending (close as in a year or less left) as far as anyone can tell?
We all hope so.
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Just curious. The last chapter I read was the one where the one puppet guy was killed by love or something.
Has the series gotten any better since then?
To give you a quick recap:
To the tune of "We Didn't Start the Fire"
Seven swordsmen, Zabuza, Haku and Kakashi yah, Darui and Samui, Magic suction gourd-y thing,
Fight with Ino-Shika-Cho, Mifune and Hanzou, Giant statue, big surprise, 40,000 dead guys.
Creepy weird confession from, a guy who likes Sakura. Guys that pee, gotta be, Zetsus in disguise, see.
Naruto, he gets a clue. Wants to fight, what will they do? Raikage flashback, Bee has got his back, Madara makes Pains(ies) with the Jinchuurikis.Hmm, not bad considering I made that up on the spot.
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Also armadillo schlong.
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You forgot the "Savior" role Naruto had been given by his dad to beat Madara.
Am I the only one who thinks that Minato is not just really bad of a character, being as perfect as he is, is also an asshole to doom his child to destiny? You know, the same kid that had to endure destiny with hard work and now finds out his hard work doesnt mean almost anything anymore, its destiny. Neji was right.
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! Don't feel sorry about this. We all have lives and I was confident you'd reply. It's cool bro. So don't feel sorry about taking awhile to reply.
! Especially when I'm guilty of the same thing right now lol.
! So by all means, take as long as you need to. I'll wait.
! This is why in my first post that started this mess I said you just didn't get it.
! This is why back during our sexism debate on your last account I REALLY needed to pound why something was wrong in your head.
! You're looking at things at face value. You're taking it as literally as possible and completely missing the underlying implications of what is happening.
! The Raikage is a very powerful man. Both in physical strength and in political strength. Yet he's completely willing to let Naruto and Bee go, likely falling right into Madara's plans, after Naruto used the power of Talk no Jutsu. Sure Bee helped but that's beside the point. The point is Naruto, an Uzemaki, is having people who really should be important and really shouldn't let Naruto and Bee go for any reason is letting them stroll by, defying all logic.
! These characters aren't controlling the how the story continues anymore. Almost everything is decided by descendants of the Sage of Six Paths now.
! Destiny is now everything and hard work is dead.
! The main villain here is Madara. Obviously.
! Almost every major fight. Rock Lee has pulled off some victories. And even when he didn't win, sometimes it was a moral victory enough that one could say "yeah he didn't win, but look how close he came with nothing but the power of hard work". My best example I can think of off the top of my head is the example I believe I already mentioned, the Rock Lee vs Gaara fight.
! And again, I have to point out that if this was part 1 Naruto you'd be absolutely right. Part 1 Naruto worked his tail off (no pun intended) to become stronger. And even then he still sometimes lost. His kyuubi powers sometimes helped, but even then it was not always a gurantee for victory. Especially if he can't control it.
But that was then. In part 2 Naruto after awhile is now the child of destiny. He's literally pulling new powers out of his ass. And by new powers, I mean new super forms (sage mode and this super sayian kyuubi form) and new variations of the ransengan.
! Instead of him being a random kid who was unlucky enough to have a demon fox in him that wants to be the best, he's now chosen to have the fox put in him. Chosen to be the one to stop Madara. He's the son of the Fourth and has the blood of the Sage of Six Paths in him. He's destined for greatness now and is now one of the most powerful ninja in the entire series.
! Why don't you get this?
! Yet is the key word here. Chances are everyone will get their asses kicked and Naruto will swoop in to save the day.
! I hope they become more relevant. I want them to be more relevant. I want to be proven wrong. I genuinely hope there's more moments like the Ino-Shika-Cho tag team.
! But that's not what we're talking about. They're still irrelevant in the grand scheme of the story. They are just footsoliders in a war, which would be fine, BUT compared to Naruto or Sasuke, they have no impact on the greater events of the story.
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! Wants to do what his parents left for him.
! Left for him = DestinyLike i said i understand what your saying. I just don't agree with you. Raikage decided to let him pass after proving himself. Bee had to help convince him. Just like he did to Gaara, Raikage was also trying to kill him. How is trying to kill someone lying down and doing noting? Also they wouldo f eventually let him out anyways because of Madara plan withh the Zetsus. Madara can be the main villian, but Kabuto has advance madara plan greatly and HIS Edos are giving the alliance the most trouble. If someone other then naruto kills him your point makes no sense. Kabuto is likly to betray Madara too.
Naruto hasn't pull out one moves out of his ass. Not 1 move. Please tell me these moves he pulls out of his ass.
Naruto has been the same guy who trains all the time. If naruto is not on a mission all he does is ask for training. IDK what your talking about. If naruto didn't train he wouldn't have the "destiny" would he because he would be dead.Obviously Naruto will have to fight Sasuke. Seriously, he is the main character and the story is being pushed foward by them. Sakura just figured out Madara plan.
Yes compared to the the 2 main characters, nobody is more revelant. I agree.Like i said a million times. Naruto doesn't believe in Destiny. That page doesn't prove Naruto does. http://mangastream.com/read/naruto/39717916/9 He has faith in the job his parents left for him. He CHOOSES to do it like he said in part 1 to Neji.
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You forgot the "Savior" role Naruto had been given by his dad to beat Madara.
Am I the only one who thinks that Minato is not just really bad of a character, being as perfect as he is, is also an asshole to doom his child to destiny? You know, the same kid that had to endure destiny with hard work and now finds out his hard work doesnt mean almost anything anymore, its destiny. Neji was right.
Naruto said destiny doesn't matter because you get to choose your own destiny. If hardwork doesn't matter why didn't naruto just sit down and do noting in part 2 and not train. Wait for the war and kill Sasuke/Madara oh thats right he can't because he would be dead from not training.
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It's not whether or not Naruto believes in destiny, it's that it is his destiny. It makes the first whole half a joke. Remember that whole argument with Neji? First it made it seem like Neji was wrong, but Rock Lee still hasn't beaten him in a fight. But guess who has? Naruto. Whose now not the ninja failure, but the chosen one.
So doesn't that mean Neji was right?
If Kishi had went without using those words in this series, it would've been all the better. They don't belong in any series, unless you're going to pull that twist that Star Wars did with Anakin, where even though he helped kill everybody, he still fulfilled his prophecy and stopped Palpatine.
To top it all off, now he's bloodline kid on top of all of that. Also something that wasn't necessary, I would've preferred if he was just some regular joe schmuck with the nine tails in him. He already had one perk, he didn't need anymore. Not if you wanted to keep the hard work theme going, which Kishimoto obviously did not.
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It's not whether or not Naruto believes in destiny, it's that it is his destiny. It makes the first whole half a joke. Remember that whole argument with Neji? First it made it seem like Neji was wrong, but Rock Lee still hasn't beaten him in a fight. But guess who has? Naruto. Whose now not the ninja failure, but the chosen one.
So doesn't that mean Neji was right?
If Kishi had went without using those words in this series, it would've been all the better. They don't belong in any series, unless you're going to pull that twist that Star Wars did with Anakin, where even though he helped kill everybody, he still fulfilled his prophecy and stopped Palpatine.
To top it all off, now he's bloodline kid on top of all of that. Also something that wasn't necessary, I would've preferred if he was just some regular joe schmuck with the nine tails in him. He already had one perk, he didn't need anymore. Not if you wanted to keep the hard work theme going, which Kishimoto obviously did not.
Once again Naruto said people get to choose their Destiny. Hmm Would their even be a future telling about Naruto if he didn't work hard? I new Naruto wasn't a regular Joe since part 1. They were throwing hints that Minato was his father all over the place. Lee could surpass Neji. Gai is the 3rd strongest person in the village where their are plenty of Hyuugas. Lee was just not strong enough then and when he did get strong enough(Gates) He never got to fight Neji.
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Naruto said destiny doesn't matter because you get to choose your own destiny. If hardwork doesn't matter why didn't naruto just sit down and do noting in part 2 and not train. Wait for the war and kill Sasuke/Madara oh thats right he can't because he would be dead from not training.
Part 1 was built around that destiny was cold and cruel, and only doomed those who were bound to it into living hellish lives. We have Neji, who is destined to be a sacrifical pawn for his clan with that seal on his forehead. He takes it out on others, blaming destiny.
Rock Lee was the opposite. He was unbound by any destiny, but had to do everything with hard work. Part 1 was essentially Hard work against Destiny. That early on atleast I thought Naruto was a kid picked by chance, even if there were qualities needed to have the Kyuubi sealed within.Here are other points that make much less sense, given Kishi's recent updates in regards to the past story.
1. If the father was the 4th Hokage, how come Naruto was living in a corner of the village, hated by everyone? The Birth only needed to be kept secret until the ritual was over. But none the less, only select few know about the kid, Naruto had to live a hellish life because of the Kyuubi and destiny his father imposed upon him.
2. If hard work really is what pays off, then what has indeed happened with the effort and struggles we used to see in it? We keep hearing about Naruto blabbering about Destiny, even though he started out as a no-name kid with "missing or dead parents", but now that its updated that his parents gave him the destiny to defeat Madara, his entire life up until then has been meaningless.
Why? Because he was struggling to be approved by everyone when he already was the 4th hokages kid, who also happened to be given the destiny to save the world. Im not saying his hard work became obsolete, but the meaning behind it was killed! It died! Kishi threw Narutos primary goal out the window with the destiny slapped onto him. Recognition through hard work. Not required anymore, you have a destiny to fulfill!
Naruto: Emh, any destiny we have seen in this story has been entirely cruel and empty-
Minato: Bullshit, you are destined for greatness. Save the world!… from someone I didn't beat for any weird plot reason.
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Doesnt that make Minato rather vengeful if he wants to raise his kid to defeat someone he never defeated? Normally this would be portrayed as dark and cruel but in Naruto logic, its admirable and respectful. Yeah, I bet Neji would rejoice at his destiny had it been words like that wouldn't he?Like i said a million times. Naruto doesn't believe in Destiny. That page doesn't prove Naruto does. http://mangastream.com/read/naruto/39717916/9 He has faith in the job his parents left for him. He CHOOSES to do it like he said in part 1 to Neji.
Claiming himself to be the savior does not sound all to different from claiming it is his destiny.
Meh, I read Naruto for the laughs now, so I dont hate these twists. I just enjoy seeing the summary fade out with each new chapter about this destiny stuff.
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Part 1 was built around that destiny was cold and cruel, and only doomed those who were bound to it into living hellish lives. We have Neji, who is destined to be a sacrifical pawn for his clan with that seal on his forehead. He takes it out on others, blaming destiny.
Rock Lee was the opposite. He was unbound by any destiny, but had to do everything with hard work. Part 1 was essentially Hard work against Destiny. That early on atleast I thought Naruto was a kid picked by chance, even if there were qualities needed to have the Kyuubi sealed within.Here are other points that make much less sense, given Kishi's recent updates in regards to the past story.
1. If the father was the 4th Hokage, how come Naruto was living in a corner of the village, hated by everyone? The Birth only needed to be kept secret until the ritual was over. But none the less, only select few know about the kid, Naruto had to live a hellish life because of the Kyuubi and destiny his father imposed upon him.
2. If hard work really is what pays off, then what has indeed happened with the effort and struggles we used to see in it? We keep hearing about Naruto blabbering about Destiny, even though he started out as a no-name kid with "missing or dead parents", but now that its updated that his parents gave him the destiny to defeat Madara, his entire life up until then has been meaningless.
Why? Because he was struggling to be approved by everyone when he already was the 4th hokages kid, who also happened to be given the destiny to save the world. Im not saying his hard work became obsolete, but the meaning behind it was killed! It died! Kishi threw Narutos primary goal out the window with the destiny slapped onto him. Recognition through hard work. Not required anymore, you have a destiny to fulfill!
Naruto: Emh, any destiny we have seen in this story has been entirely cruel and empty-
Minato: Bullshit, you are destined for greatness. Save the world!… from someone I didn't beat for any weird plot reason.
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Doesnt that make Minato rather vengeful if he wants to raise his kid to defeat someone he never defeated? Normally this would be portrayed as dark and cruel but in Naruto logic, its admirable and respectful. Yeah, I bet Neji would rejoice at his destiny had it been words like that wouldn't he?Claiming himself to be the savior does not sound all to different from claiming it is his destiny.
Meh, I read Naruto for the laughs now, so I dont hate these twists. I just enjoy seeing the summary fade out with each new chapter about this destiny stuff.
Not that Naruto as a manga was ever accurate to begin with, I mean: Colorfully clothed ninjas with magic energy plus flashy techinques talking about peace and justice and saving the world? Yeah... x)Why are people misquoting things and making up fantasy? He even tells Neji he was a hypocrite because he was defying his own destiny http://www.mangareader.net/93-108-8/naruto/chapter-103.html of protecting the main branch. Neji choose that too. Naruto was right, people choose whatever they want to do.
"Naruto hasn't changed his outlook on destiny. You and others have just rewritten what he originally meant in your own minds. That's where the contradiction lies. Your perception of Naruto part 1 and Naruto part 2.
Disliking Naruto's personality, choices, and outlook are ALL perfectly acceptable things for you to do. Saying definitively that he is a hypocrite when he can clearly be shown as not being one is ridiculous on your or anyone else's part.
How does that make him a hypocrite? His going along with what HE plans anyway doesn't mean he's accepting a "destiny he doesn't want".
Why does he have to say this? He hasn't shown the slightest interest in the prophecy. The prophecy is just a foretelling of future events. It doesn't make them true. The prophecy is true because the actions of others (mainly Naruto) make it true. Naruto has basically just ignored the prophecy. What he hasn't ignored is the faith his parent's and Jiraiya had in him. He has CHOSEN to accept the mantle they left for him. Nothing inconsistent or hypocritical between part 1 and part 2 Naruto at all.
Neji was wrong and Naruto is right. Naruto's life isn't about a destiny. Prophecy doesn't equal destiny. You have such a simple understanding of this topic it pains me. The prophecy doesn't make Naruto do anything. He is the one who makes the prophecy. Naruto shapes his own destiny. The prophecy is just a glimpse at the destiny HE MADE.
You are wrong. The only thing Naruto had going for him was the kyuubi. That's the only thing that put a destiny on him. He however was left pretty much to his own. Jiraiya tried to put a destiny on Nagato and it didn't turn out that way. Why? Nagato chose differently. You are discounting the effort Naruto has made out of personal convenience. He hasn't contradicted his words. You just don't like the situation so you are attacking it."
What does him being the 4th Hokage son mean? Minato didn't have a bloodline limit or anything. He a beast because he made it so.
hmmm Neji was going against Destiny too. If he wasn't he wouldn't even touch Hinata. He would just sit their a forfiet "sorry i can't fight her i have to protect her" Naruto showed him he a freaking hypocrite who doesn't even follow his own BS destiny talk.
He hasn't talked about being the savior. He's talked about accepting what his parent's and Jiraiya left to him. ACCEPTING it and trying to fulfill it. All his words are confidence he has in himself and them. Not in a destiny. He doesn't know how it will all go down. He just know what he wants to do. All the rest is garbage you and other jaded people have invented. If Naruto cared about Destiny he would of treated that old frog with respect and actually let him finish his prophecy. Instead he said " i already know i will be doing this why am i here".
He's the "chosen one" because he's the one that succeeds. You still don't understand how a prophecy works. The prophecy was a glimpse at a future event. The prophecy wouldn't exist about him at all IF NARUTO HADN'T DONE IT"Naruto didn't cliam himself has a savior. Jman did and he Choosed to accept it.
Show me the chapter Naruto says (HE) believes in Destiny. I am not talking about what his parents told him to do or anything. SHow me the chapter naruto says HE believes he will win. Why didn't Naruto just sitback and do noting after the frog told him he will be in a big fight? He is detined after all right? he didn't have to train right?
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Why are people misquoting things and making up fantasy? He even tells Neji he was a hypocrite because he was defying his own destiny http://www.mangareader.net/93-108-8/naruto/chapter-103.html of protecting the main branch. Neji choose that too. Naruto was right, people choose whatever they want to do.
"Naruto hasn't changed his outlook on destiny. You and others have just rewritten what he originally meant in your own minds. That's where the contradiction lies. Your perception of Naruto part 1 and Naruto part 2.
Disliking Naruto's personality, choices, and outlook are ALL perfectly acceptable things for you to do. Saying definitively that he is a hypocrite when he can clearly be shown as not being one is ridiculous on your or anyone else's part.
How does that make him a hypocrite? His going along with what HE plans anyway doesn't mean he's accepting a "destiny he doesn't want".
Why does he have to say this? He hasn't shown the slightest interest in the prophecy. The prophecy is just a foretelling of future events. It doesn't make them true. The prophecy is true because the actions of others (mainly Naruto) make it true. Naruto has basically just ignored the prophecy. What he hasn't ignored is the faith his parent's and Jiraiya had in him. He has CHOSEN to accept the mantle they left for him. Nothing inconsistent or hypocritical between part 1 and part 2 Naruto at all.
Neji was wrong and Naruto is right. Naruto's life isn't about a destiny. Prophecy doesn't equal destiny. You have such a simple understanding of this topic it pains me. The prophecy doesn't make Naruto do anything. He is the one who makes the prophecy. Naruto shapes his own destiny. The prophecy is just a glimpse at the destiny HE MADE.
You are wrong. The only thing Naruto had going for him was the kyuubi. That's the only thing that put a destiny on him. He however was left pretty much to his own. Jiraiya tried to put a destiny on Nagato and it didn't turn out that way. Why? Nagato chose differently. You are discounting the effort Naruto has made out of personal convenience. He hasn't contradicted his words. You just don't like the situation so you are attacking it."
What does him being the 4th Hokage son mean? Minato didn't have a bloodline limit or anything. He a beast because he made it so.
hmmm Neji was going against Destiny too. If he wasn't he wouldn't even touch Hinata. He would just sit their a forfiet "sorry i can't fight her i have to protect her" Naruto showed him he a freaking hypocrite who doesn't even follow his own BS destiny talk.
He hasn't talked about being the savior. He's talked about accepting what his parent's and Jiraiya left to him. ACCEPTING it and trying to fulfill it. All his words are confidence he has in himself and them. Not in a destiny. He doesn't know how it will all go down. He just know what he wants to do. All the rest is garbage you and other jaded people have invented. If Naruto cared about Destiny he would of treated that old frog with respect and actually let him finish his prophecy. Instead he said " i already know i will be doing this why am i here".
He's the "chosen one" because he's the one that succeeds. You still don't understand how a prophecy works. The prophecy was a glimpse at a future event. The prophecy wouldn't exist about him at all IF NARUTO HADN'T DONE IT"Naruto didn't cliam himself has a savior. Jman did and he Choosed to accept it.
Show me the chapter Naruto says (HE) believes in Destiny. I am not talking about what his parents told him to do or anything. SHow me the chapter naruto says HE believes he will win. Why didn't Naruto just sitback and do noting after the frog told him he will be in a big fight? He is detined after all right? he didn't have to train right?
I'm going to refer you to my previous post.
http://www.apforums.net/showthread.php?t=32452&p=2285545&viewfull=1#post2285545
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Do you honestly think Naruto would "choose" not to fight Sasuke? Not to try and save Sasuke? It's hard-wired in his brain and beliefs to confront Sasuke whenever possible. Oh, and it's also his destiny as a descendant of the Senju clan to confront a descendant of the Uchiha clan! Those two (Naruto and Sasuke) represent those clans the best for this generation. Lol, yeah Naruto can just as well choose not to save the world or turn his back on Sasuke. Yeah sure, he could "choose" that and your point about Naruto not having to follow his destiny would be proven very well. Honestly though, what are the chances of him taking that course of action? He's destined to save the world. He's destined to fight Sasuke, the current generation's best representative of the Uchiah Clan. Naruto will do both of these things because he chooses to, sure. Naruto will do both of these things because he's Naruto and he's the Destined Child, definitely. A prophecy foretold before he was even born and events set in motion.
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For a moment there I thought Juju's grammar and spelling had miraculously improved, and he'd learned how to properly defend a point. As if he'd gone into serious mode or something.
Then I realized he was just quoting things badly.
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Once again Naruto said people get to choose their Destiny. Hmm Would their even be a future telling about Naruto if he didn't work hard? I new Naruto wasn't a regular Joe since part 1. They were throwing hints that Minato was his father all over the place. Lee could surpass Neji. Gai is the 3rd strongest person in the village where their are plenty of Hyuugas. Lee was just not strong enough then and when he did get strong enough(Gates) He never got to fight Neji.
I said I would've preferred if he was a regular joe. Not that he was. I'm saying the fox was enough as it was. When did they say Gai was the 3rd strongest person in the village?
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I always knew Juju is the one destined to bring this thread back to life.
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Might want to delete two of those three posts you made Outerspec. And one of those two posts you made Robby. Seeing as how they're copies of each other.
Anyway Mysterion brings up a good point. Why was Naruto discriminated against when he was the son of the greatest ninja who ever lived? Couldn't the Third Hokage do anything about it? It's just annoying because probably the worst part of Naruto is when Kishimoto screws around with what was good about the series in the beginning. It just would have been nice if the Third (before he died) said anything like "I wish I could've been there for that boy. I wish I could've made sure he grew up with the love and affection he deserved. But a Hokage's life is time consuming." Something along those lines would be good. As far as I know there wasn't ever any line like that, though if someone could find me one it would be helpful.
I'm not even really talking about that whole "It's an honor" thing that came around with Kushina. I'm talking about the early parts of the series. It's a little weak that the Third couldn't have told people to back off on Naruto or found someone who could be there for him. I loved the idea of Naruto being the kid who everyone hated who would rise beyond his background and become a great ninja. That's what was appealing about the series in the beginning. It just feels a little contrived that he's the son of the village's hero and all of the Konoha's highest ranked shinobi know this, and they can't do anything to prevent people from discriminating against him. I don't know, can anyone find a decent explanation of why the Third let Naruto be essentially ostracized by most of the adults and children in the village? Preferably not Juju.
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I'm going to refer you to my previous post.
http://www.apforums.net/showthread.php?t=32452&p=2285545&viewfull=1#post2285545
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Do you honestly think Naruto would "choose" not to fight Sasuke? Not to try and save Sasuke? It's hard-wired in his brain and beliefs to confront Sasuke whenever possible. Oh, and it's also his destiny as a descendant of the Senju clan to confront a descendant of the Uchiha clan! Those two (Naruto and Sasuke) represent those clans the best for this generation. Lol, yeah Naruto can just as well choose not to save the world or turn his back on Sasuke. Yeah sure, he could "choose" that and your point about Naruto not having to follow his destiny would be proven very well. Honestly though, what are the chances of him taking that course of action? He's destined to save the world. He's destined to fight Sasuke, the current generation's best representative of the Uchiah Clan. Naruto will do both of these things because he chooses to, sure. Naruto will do both of these things because he's Naruto and he's the Destined Child, definitely. A prophecy foretold before he was even born and events set in motion.
Why would Naruto Choose not to confront Sasuke?? SO your saying naruto should give up on something he said he won't. hmm Naruto didn't even know Sasuke had the sharingan when they first met. He only wanted to beat him because of girls and to become strong. Naruto isn't hardwire to fight any Uchia. Madara is butthurt because he got pwned by the 1st so he saves Sasuke life and turns him against Naruto. I guess Lee is hardwired to fight Neji?? What are you even talking about? Why would Naruto Choose not to save the world. Naruto is the reason their is a destiny in the first place because he made it.
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Theme of part 1: Anyone can strive for and achieve greatness regardless of heritage, class, background, etc.
Theme of part 2: Eugenics is the answer
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@Kareem:
Might want to delete two of those three posts you made Outerspec. And one of those two posts you made Robby. Seeing as how they're copies of each other.
Anyway Mysterion brings up a good point. Why was Naruto discriminated against when he was the son of the greatest ninja who ever lived? Couldn't the Third Hokage do anything about it? It's just annoying because probably the worst part of Naruto is when Kishimoto screws around with what was good about the series in the beginning. It just would have been nice if the Third (before he died) said anything like "I wish I could've been there for that boy. I wish I could've made sure he grew up with the love and affection he deserved. But a Hokage's life is time consuming." Something along those lines would be good. As far as I know there wasn't ever any line like that, though if someone could find me one it would be helpful.
I'm not even really talking about that whole "It's an honor" thing that came around with Kushina. I'm talking about the early parts of the series. It's a little weak that the Third couldn't have told people to back off on Naruto or found someone who could be there for him. I loved the idea of Naruto being the kid who everyone hated who would rise beyond his background and become a great ninja. That's what was appealing about the series in the beginning. It just feels a little contrived that he's the son of the village's hero and all of the Konoha's highest ranked shinobi know this, and they can't do anything to prevent people from discriminating against him. I don't know, can anyone find a decent explanation of why the Third let Naruto be essentially ostracized by most of the adults and children in the village? Preferably not Juju.
The 3rd Hokage is a dumbass its that simple. He choosed this way to handle the Naruto situation, The Cloud who don't believe in Will of fire or other BS handled it different. They also didn't let a known pedophile go because he is his student. I think most of the Hokages are stupid. The 2nd Hokage secretly spied on uchia(We know how that turned out) 3rd failed to stop a freaking genocide. The 3rd was a dummy actually agree with you.
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So we are going to discuss random stupidity details? Sounds like actual fun no sarcasm, so i'll bring about another point besides the whole Naruto being bullied despite all his traits we just got to know even if that is like hiding the kings son in the bully town for 15 years, Tell everyone a specific thing they cant tell Naruto and not doing squat about it thereafter… Wait a second. Just wait a single second. It just came to mind.
How did the villagers find out that Naruto had the Kyuubi inside of him in the first place?
Lets recap: We have the Kyuubi attacking the village, controlled by madara, okay? Minato seals him with his wife into their child, naruto. Thus entrusting the Naruto to the care of the village. What the Hokage did was force a rule on the entire village to not tell Naruto this one thing, that the Fox was inside of him. But wait just a second, they were allowed to discriminate against him, and know the truth about him? If this mr.3rd Hokage wanted to keep things secret in the first place, why let the villagers know the Fox was inside of him? I know; he's a sadist who hated his students student, and faked out some lame protection while telling everyone. Way to go Sarutobi.
EDIT: (I guess the same can be said for anyone responsible for their Jinchuuriki in other villages who has had to live a hellish life).Another thing that came to my mind as I read this, are the consequenses of Naruto being bullied and discriminated against. We all know that once a Jinchuuriki is unveiled, they are treated with absolute hatred. Another thing we got to learn with Bee's childhood, is that they need love and affection. And I bet you know what happens when a Jinchuuriki becomes unstable from all the hatred (Gaara, much?).
Naruto's childhood never had to be such a hell if the 3rd would have kept his mouth shut about the Kyuubi inside Naruto from the very start?
So the actual villain here is Sarutobi himself, he put Naruto into a hell of discrimination knowingly! And dont you tell me it wasnt him, the whole birth ritual was a top secret rite to begin with, that only top members knew. >.>On a funny matter though, it does mean the Hokages were pretty self-centered douchebags. And with it, i'd like to suggest we look into another thing.
If Naruto was hated in part 1, and loved in part 2 (pain). Where did Naruto go from being hated... to being not so hated? Seriously, I dont recall him proving anything to the villagers at all, infact they were all likely dead when he fought Nagato (Pain). And all of a sudden he goes from being the worst hated child in the village, to the most loved one. In a single hour. Plot-guided people, or simply assholes kissing his ass so he'll ignore his life until then? Guess we'll never get anything of this put into perspective, since the villagers are paper thin substance in the plot anyway. Its not like Naruto was trying to get their approval or anything, it was just Sasuke he wanted to be friends with. Screw the villagers. x) -
Why would Naruto Choose not to confront Sasuke??
Exactly. He won't make another choice. Basically the only choice Naruto has is the path of destiny.
SO your saying naruto should give up on something he said he won't.
Nope, I'm saying Naruto choosing to follow his destiny is destiny working out just the way its been planned from the very beginning.
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hmm Naruto didn't even know Sasuke had the sharingan when they first met.
I have no idea what this has to do with anything. Are you trying to tell me Naruto didn't know Sasuke was a Uchiha when they first met? His name is Uchiha Sasuke. What is the point of you telling me Naruto didn't know Sasuke had the Sharingan, really? Does it matter if Naruto didn't know about his destiny when he's following it anyway? Does it matter that he didn't know about the long time rivalry between the Senju and Uchiha when he….ummm....struck up a rivalry with a Uchiha anyway?
He only wanted to beat him because of girls and to become strong. Naruto isn't hardwire to fight any Uchia.
So? Who cares how their rivalry started? Who said Naruto is hard-wired to fight any Uchiha? I said, "Do you honestly think Naruto would "choose" not to fight Sasuke? Not to try and save Sasuke? It's hard-wired in his brain and beliefs to confront Sasuke whenever possible." Is this not true? Every time Naruto sees Sasuke or gets any hint to his whereabouts he's off like a racehorse to find him.
Madara is butthurt because he got pwned by the 1st so he saves Sasuke life and turns him against Naruto. I guess Lee is hardwired to fight Neji?? What are you even talking about?
There is no rivalry spanning centuries going on between The Hyuuga Clan and whatever clan Rock Lee is from (if he's even from a clan). Oh, but there is a rivalry going on between the descendants of Uchiha and Senju. Is it just a coincidence that Naruto and Sasuke became immediate rivals like their ancestors? It's just a coincidence that Naruto and Sasuke fought at the Valley of End where Uchiha Madra and Hashirama fought? Is it just coincidence that Sasuke embodies the hate of the Uchiha and Naruto embodies the fiery will of the Senju so well!? That these 2 should develop a rivalry and confront each other…coincidence not fate!!!
! Lol, really? Coincidence is a persistent sonofabitch!
! This is what I'm talking about! This clash between Naruto and Sasuke is fate! Madara didn't turn Sasuke against Naruto. Those two were rivals long before either of them knew who he was. There confrontation is a fate Naruto has been walking headlong into ever since he met Sasuke. Probably even before.
Why would Naruto Choose not to save the world. Naruto is the reason their is a destiny in the first place because he made it.
Wait, back up. Naruto wasn't even born yet when the Great Toad prophesied he'd be the Destined Child to save the world. Now explain to me how an unborn child can create a destiny. You know, before he was born…
! And it turned out Naruto and Nagato were the Destined Child together. Now Nagato is dead and all who's left to bring peace to the Ninja World (ridiculous) is Naruto!
The fact is Naruto is following a destiny he basically has no option to ignore. That's the thing about destiny. It's nearly impossible to get away from it and no matter how much Naruto used to talk about changing destiny or…destiny isn't set in stone. Here is Naruto now following a set path that has been laid out for him many years before. So now I repeat.
"The change of tone from Part 1 to Part 2 is what I think Jay is trying to get at.
A beloved theme of Part 1 was screw Destiny or even change it.
The entire Part 2's theme IS Destiny."
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So we are going to discuss random stupidity details? Sounds like actual fun no sarcasm, so i'll bring about another point besides the whole Naruto being bullied despite all his traits we just got to know even if that is like hiding the kings son in the bully town for 15 years, Tell everyone a specific thing they cant tell Naruto and not doing squat about it thereafter… Wait a second. Just wait a single second. It just came to mind.
How did the villagers find out that Naruto had the Kyuubi inside of him in the first place?
Lets recap: We have the Kyuubi attacking the village, controlled by madara, okay? Minato seals him with his wife into their child, naruto. Thus entrusting the Naruto to the care of the village. What the Hokage did was force a rule on the entire village to not tell Naruto this one thing, that the Fox was inside of him. But wait just a second, they were allowed to discriminate against him, and know the truth about him? If this mr.3rd Hokage wanted to keep things secret in the first place, why let the villagers know the Fox was inside of him? I know; he's a sadist who hated his students student, and faked out some lame protection while telling everyone. Way to go Sarutobi.
EDIT: (I guess the same can be said for anyone responsible for their Jinchuuriki in other villages who has had to live a hellish life).Another thing that came to my mind as I read this, are the consequenses of Naruto being bullied and discriminated against. We all know that once a Jinchuuriki is unveiled, they are treated with absolute hatred. Another thing we got to learn with Bee's childhood, is that they need love and affection. And I bet you know what happens when a Jinchuuriki becomes unstable from all the hatred (Gaara, much?).
Naruto's childhood never had to be such a hell if the 3rd would have kept his mouth shut about the Kyuubi inside Naruto from the very start?
So the actual villain here is Sarutobi himself, he put Naruto into a hell of discrimination knowingly! And dont you tell me it wasnt him, the whole birth ritual was a top secret rite to begin with, that only top members knew. >.>On a funny matter though, it does mean the Hokages were pretty self-centered douchebags. And with it, i'd like to suggest we look into another thing.
If Naruto was hated in part 1, and loved in part 2 (pain). Where did Naruto go from being hated... to being not so hated? Seriously, I dont recall him proving anything to the villagers at all, infact they were all likely dead when he fought Nagato (Pain). And all of a sudden he goes from being the worst hated child in the village, to the most loved one. In a single hour. Plot-guided people, or simply assholes kissing his ass so he'll ignore his life until then? Guess we'll never get anything of this put into perspective, since the villagers are paper thin substance in the plot anyway. Its not like Naruto was trying to get their approval or anything, it was just Sasuke he wanted to be friends with. Screw the villagers. x)I agree with you the 3rd is a dumbass. The Cloud is the only one who did the right thing. They protected and trained their Beast. The 3rd didn't make anything really for Naruto.
To be fair the 3rd wasn't the only one present for Naruto sealing. We also don't know if he made these rules after the bullying occurred through. The villagers feared he couldn't control him. What does the 4th being a hero means? This is how people normally react to things they fear. Also you didn't answer anything in my last post about destiny.