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Chapter 601: "Romance Dawn for the New World" Discussion
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Epic chapter. 'nuff said.
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My apologies to all who don't can't appreciate the amount of detail Oda applies when designing the various abilities used in One Piece, but I wanted to chime in regarding the potential partial body Gear 2 mechanism. Here are some of the more interesting posts on the matter thus far: @Don:
Now about Luffy using his gear2 in a differnet way.
In my opinion he is now using it more effective.
Instead of pumping his blood through his whole body he seems now to be able to control that pumping process in differnet parts of his body(like fist,leg etc).
By that hes not using all the time his whole gear2 strenght on his whole body, hes using it more effectivily on just parts of his body to lower the side effects of this dangerous technique and to concentrate his whole strenght at once in this one body part.
I think hes able to do so via his good use of Haki..hes concentrating there Haki to hold that strenght just in that one part.While I agree completely about the ramifications of partial Gear 2, I don't think that a haki explanation is necessary, save for that the mental training required to hone haki has allowed Luffy greater control over his other abilities. It is my interpretation that this is just a predictable extension of Gear 2 that allows for faster enhancement with less stamina drain.
@Vagrant:
It's called consistency. Oda explained how Gear Second works. And the way it works disallows partial activation. I don't care about how logical or illogical things are, as long as they remain internally consistent. Partial activation of Gear Second is not. I don't care if they even offer some throwaway line about it, I just want to know Oda's actually thought about it and that he hasn't just ignored what he initially said about Gear Second for a cheap power-up. I think better of him than that and want to hope that's not the case.
Oda hasn't ignored what he said at all. Let's start with a recap: Gear 2 had previously functioned by using the legs as a primer pump to increase blood circulation through out the body. Luffy's rubber body compensates for the increased blood pressure this causes, while the faster oxygen transfer enables luffy's cells to avoid resorting to anaerobic respiration while he overexerts his muscles. This leads to increased heat (red glow) and CO2 production (smokey mist) as byproducts.
I'll explain why partial gear 2 is coherent with with this explanation next.
@Hyza:1. Partial Second Gear. I hope Oda has an explanation that is consistent with the faster-blood-circulation-explanation. The Question is, if the doping effect was caused by the faster circulation or the higher amount of pressure on the veins or the higher amount of blood per second. For the first two cases, it would be possible to make a partial gear 2.
All Luffy would have to do, is shrink the veins in his arm (smaller diameter, same blood per second = fastercirculation and higher pressure. Physics Bitches). For the more blood per second-Theory I can't come up with a consistend explanation.But there is another explanation. Luffy just used his arm instead of his legs to pump. By shorten and lenghten his arm.
This would also explain how he jumped so high so quickly.The "more blood per second" theory works like this: Luffy no longer uses his legs as the pump for Gear 2. If you look at the bottom center panel on page 13 of the chapter, you'll notice two "throb lines" right in front of luffy's chest as he activates the partial gear two without any substantial leg movement. I posit that this shows that luffy is now using the body's natural pump, the heart, as his Gear 2 primer. By expanding and contracting his heart using his gomu gomu abilities, Luffy should be able to enter into Gear 2 much more efficiently than previously. Also, the major arteries that lead to various body parts all lead out from the heart, as can be seen from this picture: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Circulatory_System_en.svg
So given that the heart is now the pump for Gear 2, the mechanism for partial body Gear 2 should be easy to understand. Luffy gomu pumps his heart leading to greatly increased circulatory blood pressure. He then dilates his left subclavian artery while keeping the other major arteries constricted. This leads to all the increased blood pressure being directed to his left arm, which then returns to the heart along the subclavian vein directly to he heart, creating a closed system pump and allowing for the Gear 2 effect to be localized.
I think this explanation is logically consistent given the rules of the OP universe and answers any lingering questions about partial body Gear 2.
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Pandaman spotted!
Third panel, the upper right! Just above Brook's crown.
http://mangastream.com/read/one_piece/56751021/3If you're going on a trip… where would you like to go?
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Predictions cariboo brothers will kill the fakes for decieving them
I love this idea. It would totally fit with Caribou's ideology too.@Noqanky:
Ugh, I feel like people overestimate the brothers waay too much.
So yea, they're the supernovas of the present, but it's clear they got such high bounties because they're demented freaks ready to kill anything and anyone that is "sinful" or a "hypocrite" in their eyes.
We've had no indication that they're as powerful as the old supernovas, something I severely doubt. There's no way they can face sentoumaru … hell, the monster trio just saved their asses by destroying the PX.The bounties were 210 and 190 million, both higher than a fair amount of Supernovas back from two years ago. They're definitely not pushovers. Plus, we have no idea how "powerful" they are or how "powerful" the Supernovas were either.
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@ultimateclima:
I love this idea. It would totally fit with Caribou's ideology too.
The bounties were 210 and 190 million, both higher than a fair amount of Supernovas back from two years ago. They're definitely not pushovers. Plus, we have no idea how "powerful" they are or how "powerful" the Supernovas were either.Also, we only saw them vs some random marine. For all we know they could have the DF that shoots mountains at people or something equally weird. Just saying that we haven't seen them up against anyone they'd need to try against.
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Predictions cariboo brothers will kill the fakes for lying to them
Fixed.
Now it makes perfect sense, based on Caribou's ideology.
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My apologies to all who don't can't appreciate the amount of detail Oda applies when designing the various abilities used in One Piece, but I wanted to chime in regarding the potential partial body Gear 2 mechanism. Here are some of the more interesting posts on the matter thus far: While I agree completely about the ramifications of partial Gear 2, I don't think that a haki explanation is necessary, save for that the mental training required to hone haki has allowed Luffy greater control over his other abilities. It is my interpretation that this is just a predictable extension of Gear 2 that allows for faster enhancement with less stamina drain.
Oda hasn't ignored what he said at all. Let's start with a recap: Gear 2 had previously functioned by using the legs as a primer pump to increase blood circulation through out the body. Luffy's rubber body compensates for the increased blood pressure this causes, while the faster oxygen transfer enables luffy's cells to avoid resorting to anaerobic respiration while he overexerts his muscles. This leads to increased heat (red glow) and CO2 production (smokey mist) as byproducts.
I'll explain why partial gear 2 is coherent with with this explanation next.
The "more blood per second" theory works like this: Luffy no longer uses his legs as the pump for Gear 2. If you look at the bottom center panel on page 13 of the chapter, you'll notice two "throb lines" right in front of luffy's chest as he activates the partial gear two without any substantial leg movement. I posit that this shows that luffy is now using the body's natural pump, the heart, as his Gear 2 primer. By expanding and contracting his heart using his gomu gomu abilities, Luffy should be able to enter into Gear 2 much more efficiently than previously. Also, the major arteries that lead to various body parts all lead out from the heart, as can be seen from this picture: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Circulatory_System_en.svg
So given that the heart is now the pump for Gear 2, the mechanism for partial body Gear 2 should be easy to understand. Luffy gomu pumps his heart leading to greatly increased circulatory blood pressure. He then dilates his left subclavian artery while keeping the other major arteries constricted. This leads to all the increased blood pressure being directed to his left arm, which then returns to the heart along the subclavian vein directly to he heart, creating a closed system pump and allowing for the Gear 2 effect to be localized.
I think this explanation is logically consistent given the rules of the OP universe and answers any lingering questions about partial body Gear 2.
you are pretty amazing
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So given that the heart is now the pump for Gear 2, the mechanism for partial body Gear 2 should be easy to understand. Luffy gomu pumps his heart leading to greatly increased circulatory blood pressure. He then dilates his left subclavian artery while keeping the other major arteries constricted. This leads to all the increased blood pressure being directed to his left arm, which then returns to the heart along the subclavian vein directly to he heart, creating a closed system pump and allowing for the Gear 2 effect to be localized.
I think this explanation is logically consistent given the rules of the OP universe and answers any lingering questions about partial body Gear 2.
tihs wud defintaely be a great explaination. i think most people are thinking that its just his arm since Oda drew luffy with nothing but face, torso and arm, which wud lead one to believe that its an isolated Gear 2 or that he used his arms to pump instead.
http://mangastream.com/read/one_piece/56751021/13
i personally am gonna go with isolation theory, becuase if u watch the last panel where luffy is in the air right before he smacks the PX in the face wit a fish, u can see that the smoke isn't coming from his entire body, but only the arm that was shown in the panel before
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Lol, this has probably been pointed out already but I noticed The Flying Fish Brook is riding on has the #8 on its fin, and Brook was the 8th member to join the SH's.
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I'm kinda disappointed in the PX's development, if any. After 2 years you'd think Vegapunk would have given them some major upgrades beyond those lasers. Missles would have been nice or another weapon based off an Admiral's DF. Oh well, they just couldn't handle the monster trio.Everything's Eventual…
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Lol, this has probably been pointed out already but I noticed The Flying Fish Brook is riding on has the #8 on its fin, and Brook was the 8th member to join the SH's.
! http://img840.imageshack.us/img840/1306/73974342.pngI'm kinda disappointed in the PX's development, if any. After 2 years you'd think Vegapunk would have given them some major upgrades beyond those lasers. Missles would have been nice or another weapon based off an Admiral's DF. Oh well, they just couldn't handle the monster trio.
yup and the rider looks like Brook too!
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If there's any upgraded PXs Oda would save them for the NW. Not at SA.
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My apologies to all who don't can't appreciate the amount of detail Oda applies when designing the various abilities used in One Piece, but I wanted to chime in regarding the potential partial body Gear 2 mechanism. Here are some of the more interesting posts on the matter thus far: While I agree completely about the ramifications of partial Gear 2, I don't think that a haki explanation is necessary, save for that the mental training required to hone haki has allowed Luffy greater control over his other abilities. It is my interpretation that this is just a predictable extension of Gear 2 that allows for faster enhancement with less stamina drain.
Oda hasn't ignored what he said at all. Let's start with a recap: Gear 2 had previously functioned by using the legs as a primer pump to increase blood circulation through out the body. Luffy's rubber body compensates for the increased blood pressure this causes, while the faster oxygen transfer enables luffy's cells to avoid resorting to anaerobic respiration while he overexerts his muscles. This leads to increased heat (red glow) and CO2 production (smokey mist) as byproducts.
I'll explain why partial gear 2 is coherent with with this explanation next.
The "more blood per second" theory works like this: Luffy no longer uses his legs as the pump for Gear 2. If you look at the bottom center panel on page 13 of the chapter, you'll notice two "throb lines" right in front of luffy's chest as he activates the partial gear two without any substantial leg movement. I posit that this shows that luffy is now using the body's natural pump, the heart, as his Gear 2 primer. By expanding and contracting his heart using his gomu gomu abilities, Luffy should be able to enter into Gear 2 much more efficiently than previously. Also, the major arteries that lead to various body parts all lead out from the heart, as can be seen from this picture: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Circulatory_System_en.svg
So given that the heart is now the pump for Gear 2, the mechanism for partial body Gear 2 should be easy to understand. Luffy gomu pumps his heart leading to greatly increased circulatory blood pressure. He then dilates his left subclavian artery while keeping the other major arteries constricted. This leads to all the increased blood pressure being directed to his left arm, which then returns to the heart along the subclavian vein directly to he heart, creating a closed system pump and allowing for the Gear 2 effect to be localized.
I think this explanation is logically consistent given the rules of the OP universe and answers any lingering questions about partial body Gear 2.
This would also mean that luffy has much more percise control over his devil fruit powers meaning there is a high probability that he has fixed the mistakes in 3rd gear and leaves a large amount of possibilites for new techniques or gears that he has come up with xD its going to be awesome i cant wait
i dont really know because i have only be reading OP for less than a year but if Oda really thinks this far into it im a lot more impressed with the whole thing -
Did someone already pointed that brook got considerably bigger now
http://www.cloudmanga.com/One_Piece/500/#6
http://mangastream.com/read/one_piece/56751021/3
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The "more blood per second" theory works like this: Luffy no longer uses his legs as the pump for Gear 2. If you look at the bottom center panel on page 13 of the chapter, you'll notice two "throb lines" right in front of luffy's chest as he activates the partial gear two without any substantial leg movement. I posit that this shows that luffy is now using the body's natural pump, the heart, as his Gear 2 primer. By expanding and contracting his heart using his gomu gomu abilities, Luffy should be able to enter into Gear 2 much more efficiently than previously. Also, the major arteries that lead to various body parts all lead out from the heart, as can be seen from this picture: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Circulatory_System_en.svg
So given that the heart is now the pump for Gear 2, the mechanism for partial body Gear 2 should be easy to understand. Luffy gomu pumps his heart leading to greatly increased circulatory blood pressure. He then dilates his left subclavian artery while keeping the other major arteries constricted. This leads to all the increased blood pressure being directed to his left arm, which then returns to the heart along the subclavian vein directly to he heart, creating a closed system pump and allowing for the Gear 2 effect to be localized.
I think this explanation is logically consistent given the rules of the OP universe and answers any lingering questions about partial body Gear 2.
I'm totally with you on this except for the part I highlighted, How does his DF ability him to control his heart this way? Like I have said before it makes more sense for luffy to be able to use life return, that would allow him to do what you said and it neatly explains his creepy eating meat to heal thing. You channel your consciousness through your body to control any part of it, this kind of mental training seems to be the sort of thing needed for haki as well so it seems reasonable that luffy could have gain complete mastery of it during his training with Rayleigh.
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i can already see it
KAME HAeeh i mean
GEAR…..4!!!!
i really like gear 2 though, all fast an shit,looks more like a cannon and not like the normal rubber punch,which we hopefully never have to see again.
but i still dont like the fact that luffys strong attacks harm himself
he should have just raped the px in teh butt, this would have been more dramatical
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Why are people worrying about how Luffy can control where he does gear 2.
That's probably the most logical power up this series is ever going to get.
Good move on Oda's part. Let's not try to bring real world physics and laws into a manga here guys.
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Did someone already pointed that brook got considerably bigger now
http://www.cloudmanga.com/One_Piece/500/#6
http://mangastream.com/read/one_piece/56751021/3
oda even put same people to compare it.Just ignore the sizes, that is the one thing in OP who changes constantly… Size constancy is one thing Oda isn't so good at.
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Rayleigh isn't pleased.
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Why are people worrying about how Luffy can control where he does gear 2.
Because we all know what this means for h-manga….
Gomu Gomu no... JET RAPIER!
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Maybe that's just a bit too off-color of a pun.
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I'm kinda disappointed in the PX's development, if any. After 2 years you'd think Vegapunk would have given them some major upgrades beyond those lasers. Missles would have been nice or another weapon based off an Admiral's DF. Oh well, they just couldn't handle the monster trio.
These were called PX-5 and 7, so probably two of the first Pacifistas ever created. You can expect that since the end of the war, upgraded PX versions were created. Atleast I hope so.
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Rayleigh isn't pleased.
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Hahahahahah that was the best one yet! loved Ray's expression!
Just ignore the sizes, that is the one thing in OP who changes constantly… Size constancy is one thing Oda isn't so good at.
This is true but the fact that Oda used the same character in the same situation makes me think that it's more that just his usual er "artistic license"
@Lee:
These were called PX-5 and 7, so probably two of the first Pacifistas ever created. You can expect that since the end of the war, upgraded PX versions were created. Atleast I hope so.
I don't see why they need to be upgraded, just don't send them into the NW, station a few at each island in paradise and you can kill off most of the pirates on their way to the NW, I mean all a pacifista would have to do is shoot the pirates ship as it came up to the island and boom no more pirates.
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A big boiga post! I miss these.
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Not sure if I said it before, but the last page really is the best part of this chapter. The dumbfounded, completely speechless looks on the faces of the guys after Luffy tells Rayleigh he's going to be Pirate King…the best things in the last few chapters, at the least.
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This is true but the fact that Oda used the same character in the same situation makes me think that it's more that just his usual er "artistic license"
Could be, but I can't imagine what would make him suddenly grow up after 50 years being the same… So I take it as "artistic license" till proven otherwise...
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yup and the rider looks like Brook too!
Thats just one of those 3 main riders Oda always uses…that dude, the fat one and the other one always appear with Duval.
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Brook didn't get bigger, the Flying Fish Riders got smaller.
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Pandaman spotted!
Third panel, the upper right! Just above Brook's crown.
http://mangastream.com/read/one_piece/56751021/3Thanks I hadn't seen that one
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@Uncle:
Brook didn't get bigger, the Flying Fish Riders got smaller.
Honey get the caviar, we've found another genius.
Edit: This isn't sarcasm.
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Rayleigh isn't pleased.
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[/hide]OH GOD, i was not expecting that! Hilarious, you have won yourself 1 internet, and a full LOL.
(i know it's not much)
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[insert awesomeness here]
I think this explanation is logically consistent given the rules of the OP universe and answers any lingering questions about partial body Gear 2.:blink: You are amazing. Why do I not see you post more around here?
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I'm surprised that no one considered the fact that maybe Iva's attacks had little effect on Kuma because his ability involves hormones….machines have very few hormones....
Sentoumaru won't try and chase Luffy and the others, hes not stupid, he probably has realized he can't take all three of them on (maybe four if you include Reliegh). He'll cut his loses and stick to arresting as many of the lower pirates as possible (after all he is a marine now, he can't just parade around and do whatever he likes).
I don't expect much from the brothers, they're just the new favorite rookies right now, probably no stronger than any of the other supernova crews were 2 years ago.
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Great chapter
Zoro seemed to be the only one who just used a normal attack
partial gear from luffy with haki awesome seriously loved the whole sceen from dodging a light laser beam sayin it was too slow then the finisher
sanji isnt diablo coolloved how the fakes got rid off
felt sad for the marine killed by the bro hope he gets taken out by chopper or something like thatbounties seem awefully low for the crew after this chapter a captain worth 80 supposedly greater threat than sanji was one shoted compared to the feat sanji pulled off
grreat chapter fishman island will be the true test of strength simular to how skyapia pushed them in terms of oxygen etc
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You mean the guy with the Elvis hairstyle? Nah, just some lookalike.
nah, not the guy with this kewpie faux-hawk. the dude just below pandaman who's pushing down that marine's musket. i think he looks like mr 2.
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Now that Sanji did something infront of the Marines… I wonder if they'll change is Wanted Poster. The marines did call him Black Leg Sanji
Maybe even Raise his bounty? I could only wish =D
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Could be, but I can't imagine what would make him suddenly grow up after 50 years being the same… So I take it as "artistic license" till proven otherwise...
He probably had a lot of milk
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My apologies to all who don't can't appreciate the amount of detail Oda applies when designing the various abilities used in One Piece, but I wanted to chime in regarding the potential partial body Gear 2 mechanism. Here are some of the more interesting posts on the matter thus far: While I agree completely about the ramifications of partial Gear 2, I don't think that a haki explanation is necessary, save for that the mental training required to hone haki has allowed Luffy greater control over his other abilities. It is my interpretation that this is just a predictable extension of Gear 2 that allows for faster enhancement with less stamina drain.
Oda hasn't ignored what he said at all. Let's start with a recap: Gear 2 had previously functioned by using the legs as a primer pump to increase blood circulation through out the body. Luffy's rubber body compensates for the increased blood pressure this causes, while the faster oxygen transfer enables luffy's cells to avoid resorting to anaerobic respiration while he overexerts his muscles. This leads to increased heat (red glow) and CO2 production (smokey mist) as byproducts.
I'll explain why partial gear 2 is coherent with with this explanation next.
The "more blood per second" theory works like this: Luffy no longer uses his legs as the pump for Gear 2. If you look at the bottom center panel on page 13 of the chapter, you'll notice two "throb lines" right in front of luffy's chest as he activates the partial gear two without any substantial leg movement. I posit that this shows that luffy is now using the body's natural pump, the heart, as his Gear 2 primer. By expanding and contracting his heart using his gomu gomu abilities, Luffy should be able to enter into Gear 2 much more efficiently than previously. Also, the major arteries that lead to various body parts all lead out from the heart, as can be seen from this picture: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Circulatory_System_en.svg
So given that the heart is now the pump for Gear 2, the mechanism for partial body Gear 2 should be easy to understand. Luffy gomu pumps his heart leading to greatly increased circulatory blood pressure. He then dilates his left subclavian artery while keeping the other major arteries constricted. This leads to all the increased blood pressure being directed to his left arm, which then returns to the heart along the subclavian vein directly to he heart, creating a closed system pump and allowing for the Gear 2 effect to be localized.
I think this explanation is logically consistent given the rules of the OP universe and answers any lingering questions about partial body Gear 2.
Bounties are threat indicators, not power or accomplishment indicators. They don't increase because of every action committed, but rather how terrible the given crime is. At the time of his last increase (two years ago), he had done next to nothing to suggest he was more of a threat. I hadn't really considered this point of view myself until the 400mil was mentioned last chapter, but it makes sense to me now.
Well the name of the defensive/attacking type of haki is armor, after all. Rayleigh explained it as armor coating your body, and Sentoumaru said Luffy was "wearing" it when he hit the Pacifista. Consider that the Amazon's arrows (wood) broke stone instead of getting broken themselves, or that the Admirals were able to deflect Whitebeard's earthquake, or that Shanks' sword could stop Akainu's magma fist, and it makes sense that a meta-physical barrier is what allows a user more power or defense by using haki. Given that, Luffy should be able to safely land attacks on Magellan. I mean, I certainly hope it isn't something one can constantly maintain– for example walking through lava with a coat around you-- but the explanation and use thus far suggests you can at least momentarily use it to hit someone like Magellan.
A lot of people think Luffy could at least fight against them, if not stand his ground for a little while. Definitely not win or give them a real fight, but at least hold them off for a little while. I agree with that notion, as I expect their current power to be enough to last them a little ways in to the New World, and for the rest of the New World I certainly don't expect them to pick up more "upgrades", so the natural progression of strength would need to realistically bring Luffy from 'slightly below par' to 'strongest man in the world' during that short time. If he couldn't at least temporarily fend an Admiral off right now, he would have to grow far too much before the end of the series. I could be wrong, of course, but that's how I see it.
You guys said everything that needed to be said.
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i'm gonna say that boiga is wrong, and brennen to be very sexy
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Zoro seems to be holding the sword in his left hand irregularly. Perhaps that's a habit he picked up from Mihawk?
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Luffy, Sanji, and Zoro OWNED the Pacifistas with a Don! :D
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Now that Sanji did something infront of the Marines… I wonder if they'll change is Wanted Poster. The marines did call him Black Leg Sanji
Maybe even Raise his bounty? I could only wish =DSince he defeated the pacifista so quickly they didn't have time to take a new pic. Good thing they have fake sanji's picture though, they can use that instead :P
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@Kokutou:
Since he defeated the pacifista so quickly they didn't have time to take a new pic. Good thing they have fake sanji's picture though, they can use that instead :P
pull it out of the px's memory bank must saw something right before he got his head knocked off
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^ That's true
I myself imagined it more like that he just pumps his blood from the chest to the fingertips a few times ( like he did with the legs) and therefore gets more speed in his arm muscles.
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Question: Are Hacci & Camie & Starfish dude joining the Straw Hats to Fishman Island?
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^ That's true
I myself imagined it more like that he just pumps his blood from the chest to the fingertips a few times ( like he did with the legs) and therefore gets more speed in his arm muscles.
With no real biological explanation…I try not to think about it too much. Makes my brain hurt.
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Question: Are Hacci & Camie & Starfish dude joining the Straw Hats to Fishman Island?
We haven't seen them yet???Did they say anything about that? Haven't they just… left? I mean did they all live in the Shaboady Archipelago? They had that food-stand didn't they... So I guess they are still there.
I guess I don't know really, I hope not though I hate pappag with every sub-atomic particle of my being
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