I think Doflamingo will catch WB in his strings sooner or later, but the one who will stab him in the back will be Croc.
Chapter 571 "The Execution Stand" Discussion
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I think Doflamingo will catch WB in his strings sooner or later, but the one who will stab him in the back will be Croc.
Who? the man who decided that killing this shadow of a legend wasn't worth it right now and is fighting for his own weird reasons to free ace?
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I think Doflamingo will catch WB in his strings sooner or later, but the one who will stab him in the back will be Croc.
And than, Ace will become Luffy's nemesis because Luffy was the one setting Crocodile free from ID and made it possible for im to kill WB.
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And than, Ace will become Luffy's nemesis because Luffy was the one setting Crocodile free from ID and made it possible for im to kill WB.
Ace will be the Saucegay of One pieceand will become His Hero, for saving him twice ( Cause luffy freed Corocodile from IP, crocodile Saved Ace)
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Close topic anyone?
Way too many offtopic posts, guessing about the outcome of war and all that kind of crap.
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But it seems to me that Oda's writing style and symmetry with previous parent figures are a bit at odds with each other. By saying symmetry with previous parent figures, I mean to take as relying on stereotypes from other shows, while Oda's writing style is not stereo typical. What do you mean by that?
People in OP don't die unless they've achieved what they wanted and they're at peace with dying, and they have no regrets. (Which is why Luffy could smile at the execution platform, and Ace can't.) Its why Oars wasn't dead when he first fell, he hadn't saved Ace.
The same way Shanks lost his arm, Zoro took on his friend's dream, Bellemere proudly died for her children and announced they truly were hers, Zef sacrificing his leg to Sanji but passing on the dream of finding All Blue, Hiriluk blew himself up so Chopper wouldn't think he killed him, Robin's mother and Saul dying to let her escape and Saul laughing one last time so she wouldn't be sad, and Franky losing Tom after Tom said "always take pride in whatever you make!"
Dreams, the shattering and fullfilling of them, and the entrusting of the next generation are incredibly important in One Piece, and Whitebeard dying to protect Ace, and entrusting him (and now Luffy) as the next generation of pirates, immensely fits with the tone of the parental figures before.
Ace is saved, so now Whitebeard can die, all the while passing his dream onto Ace.
(An thats not even getting into how ending Whitebeard's era will usher in a new one.)
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Kidd will save the bros by taking them on a metal surfing desk. That would be epic.
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Close topic anyone?
Way too many offtopic posts, guessing about the outcome of war and all that kind of crap.
Shut up. If you don't like it, I got a suggestion for you; don't come back to this thread.
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Shut up. If you don't like it, I got a suggestion for you; don't come back to this thread.
Shut up. If you like it, I got a suggestion for you; go to the ''dumb prediction thread'' and don't come back to this thread.
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You aren't making any sense. I ain't wasting my time on you.
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Well, next chapters is going to be:
- Jozu being back into the picture
- Ace freeing the Phoenix
- Whitebeard getting killed.
- Blackbeard is going to take a spotlight. The person who said the Redline is going to be destroyed..
World Balance -
One of the Yonkou is destroyed
Red Line get's a gap. Easier to travel through the differen seas.Well, there are to much possibilities xD
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You aren't making any sense. I ain't wasting my time on you.
The fact that you don't understand me shows that I would be the one wasting my time.
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I don't think that the Redline will be destroyed because then Luffy wouldn't have any intentions going to Fisherman's Island anymore. And the Strawhats are going to go there definitely.
I just hope that the next chapters won't be spoiled with too many big fight-pictures, I want the story to go on finally.
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Luffy wants to go to Fishman Island. An alternate path being available wouldn't mean he'd choose to bypass the place entirely. They didn't need to go to Skypeia, but look how that turned out.
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I don't think that the Redline will be destroyed because then Luffy wouldn't have any intentions going to Fisherman's Island anymore. And the Strawhats are going to go there definitely.
I just hope that the next chapters won't be spoiled with too many big fight-pictures, I want the story to go on finally.
You mean the guy who rode the knockup stream would take the shortcut ?
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if Sengoku DF makes him a Budah statue made of metal, then Kid may do something :ninja:
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The fact that you don't understand me shows that I would be the one wasting my time.
You tell me to leave this thread and go to the dumb predictions thread when I "Like this thread so much".
If I liked this thread, what reason could there be for me to go to a different thread?
All I did was tell you that if you did not like this thread any more, you need not waste your time telling people you don't like the thread any more. Thus, your time would have been better spent elsewhere.
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Ahahaha suggestions Luffy won't go to Fishman Island
APforums you never cease to amaze me.
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@robbybedfart:
Since his last bounty upgrade Luffy has
-defeat Moria (kept a secret, no increase, but factored in later)
-slugged a tenryubiito
-invaded impel down and released many prisoners
-clearly been associated with known revolutionaries like Ivanakov
-been associated with the "great schemer Buggy!"
-aided in the war (including the "defeat" of shichibukai Boa Hancock, and battling Mihawk)
-shown King's Ambition
-freed Ace
-whatever the hell else he's going to do (Be an ally with all the rookies?)For punching the tenryubiito ALONE Luffy would have been guaranteed a huge increase, plus possibly a bonus cash incentive from the Tenryubiito. (they were willing to spend more than that simply on buying Camie as a short term pet) And the King's Ambition is clearly going to get him a ton too.
Luffy will have a massive increase after this.
The thing is, he was already on the "heavily wanted" list, so by default the initial big bounty increases where he declared war on the goverment, and defeated high tier opponents like Crocadile and Lucchi were already factored in as his strength level. So him fighting alongside whitebeard or invading Impel Down were already calculated into his threat level (and that Ace is his brother might also be considered). He was already calculated as officially anti-government so him doing something crazy like attacking a government instilaton was factored… though actually suceeding in the impossible is another thing entirely.
Plus, he needs to remain peers with the other Rookies, (and his own crew) so it can't be TOO outrageous a jump . (They can get raises by helping here, but...)
Slugging the Tenryubiito and the King's ambition are going to be what gets him the increase.
We're hindered by the fact that Luffy is already at the edge of highest seen bounties in the series, we have no idea what the scale is. What Mihawk, Shanks, Dragon, Ace or Whitebeard himself are worth, so we don't know what the upper bounty limit is.
500,000,000 is a crazy sum to jump to, but given ALL that Luffy has done in the course of... a week... it'll need to be at least that much. Anything less than 700,000,000 doesn't really feel like enough, but it probably can't make that high a leap... unless we suddenly get a rash of comparison bounties right after. (And again, the tenryubiito can throw in a bonus reward to make it ridiculously higher without being out of place)
Well, his crew might not get a raise at least…
...Though they may reconsider due to their captains actions.
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@robbybedfart:
People in OP don't die unless they've achieved what they wanted and they're at peace with dying, and they have no regrets. (Which is why Luffy could smile at the execution platform, and Ace can't.) Its why Oars wasn't dead when he first fell, he hadn't saved Ace.
The same way Shanks lost his arm, Zoro took on his friend's dream, Bellemere proudly died for her children and announced they truly were hers, Zef sacrificing his leg to Sanji but passing on the dream of finding All Blue, Hiriluk blew himself up so Chopper wouldn't think he killed him, Robin's mother and Saul dying to let her escape and Saul laughing one last time so she wouldn't be sad, and Franky losing Tom after Tom said "always take pride in whatever you make!"
Haven't there been people in One Piece who have died and didn't achieve what they wanted? Of course I'm talking about the villains of the show. And what about Pell, didn't he achieve what he wanted and still didn't die, he prevented the courtyard from being destroyed. Or did he establish another goal of protecting Arabasta for as long as possible?
Another one I can think of is Shanks. Through the logic you've put forth, and I agree with, doesn't it mean that Shanks as a character is in danger? Since by placing his bet in Luffy, he's ready to die at any time. He's already made the sacrifice that WB is making right now.
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You do not have to take it so literally, Shanks still has a place in the story (Luffy has to return his strawhat and such) so ofcourse he isn't going to die just yet.
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Haven't there been people in One Piece who have died and didn't achieve what they wanted? Of course I'm talking about the villains of the show.
Pretty much every villian is still alive, aside from a couple minor minor background grunts with no expressed dreams or ambitions. Many of them have had their DREAMS CRUSHED, like Kuro, Krieg and Arlong, but they're definatley still alive.
And what about Pell, didn't he achieve what he wanted and still didn't die, he prevented the courtyard from being destroyed. Or did he establish another goal of protecting Arabasta for as long as possible?
He wanted to keep serving the kingdom, and he regretted making Vivi sad. He was not satisfied with dying then.
Another one I can think of is Shanks. Through the logic you've put forth, and I agree with, doesn't it mean that Shanks as a character is in danger? Since by placing his bet in Luffy, he's ready to die at any time. He's already made the sacrifice that WB is making right now.
Again, its about DREAMS, not life and death.
Shanks has just been hanging out being a goofball pirate for the last 20 years. He's shown no great ambition or goal or desire to be Pirate King. He's just being Shanks. He's passed the dreaming onto Luffy and is content to just drink with his buddies. He already lost his good sword arm, same way Zeff lost his good fighting leg. He'll never be the greatest like he could have been. (not that Shanks ever actually seemed interested in being pirate king.) He already made that sacrifice, and now he's looking forward to seeing the next generation to suceed. (And also Luffy has to return the hat.)
The sacrifice was already made, it doesn't have to be a life.
Also, Oda likes the caveat of "this character was already going to die from a disease, (Roger, Hiriluk, Brook's captain,) having his old farts go out in blazes of proud parental glory instead of dying slowly by sickness is soemthing he likes doing. Whitebeard fits into ALL the standards.
Plus obviously, his dying has incredible ammounts of symbolism tied to it. (And him sacrificing his ship was the clearest sign of all that he's ready to die on this one, and WB has even been saying it himself)
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@robbybedfart:
People in OP don't die unless they've achieved what they wanted and they're at peace with dying, and they have no regrets. (Which is why Luffy could smile at the execution platform, and Ace can't.) Its why Oars wasn't dead when he first fell, he hadn't saved Ace.
The same way Shanks lost his arm, Zoro took on his friend's dream, Bellemere proudly died for her children and announced they truly were hers, Zef sacrificing his leg to Sanji but passing on the dream of finding All Blue, Hiriluk blew himself up so Chopper wouldn't think he killed him, Robin's mother and Saul dying to let her escape and Saul laughing one last time so she wouldn't be sad, and Franky losing Tom after Tom said "always take pride in whatever you make!"
Dreams, the shattering and fullfilling of them, and the entrusting of the next generation are incredibly important in One Piece, and Whitebeard dying to protect Ace, and entrusting him (and now Luffy) as the next generation of pirates, immensely fits with the tone of the parental figures before.
Ace is saved, so now Whitebeard can die, all the while passing his dream onto Ace.
(An thats not even getting into how ending Whitebeard's era will usher in a new one.)
I really like this and I agree that most of the people who made an impact in the Strawhats' lives died achieving something they believed in or fulfilling a dream; however, I couldn't agree that everyone in OP died achieving and fulfilling their dreams.
The person I'm talking about is Thatch
Unless he's really still alive or something, I don't really believe he's someone we can consider "content with his dream."That aside, I see the argument you've made and I believe that you're right about WB dying. I think after Ace has saved from the execution/war, WB can die peacefully knowing that Ace will carry on his dream.
P.S. you forgot about Usopp's mom :ninja:
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@electricfield: if white beard doesn't die then no major change happened, no new era unless your suggesting the marines get destroyed and no one makes bounties pirates have no resistance what so ever etc etc. which would just be retarded, if white beard lives no changes have occurred making the war pointless in the first place
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@robbybedfart:
People in OP don't die unless they've achieved what they wanted and they're at peace with dying, and they have no regrets. (Which is why Luffy could smile at the execution platform, and Ace can't.) Its why Oars wasn't dead when he first fell, he hadn't saved Ace.
The same way Shanks lost his arm, Zoro took on his friend's dream, Bellemere proudly died for her children and announced they truly were hers, Zef sacrificing his leg to Sanji but passing on the dream of finding All Blue, Hiriluk blew himself up so Chopper wouldn't think he killed him, Robin's mother and Saul dying to let her escape and Saul laughing one last time so she wouldn't be sad, and Franky losing Tom after Tom said "always take pride in whatever you make!"
Dreams, the shattering and fullfilling of them, and the entrusting of the next generation are incredibly important in One Piece, and Whitebeard dying to protect Ace, and entrusting him (and now Luffy) as the next generation of pirates, immensely fits with the tone of the parental figures before.
Ace is saved, so now Whitebeard can die, all the while passing his dream onto Ace.
(An thats not even getting into how ending Whitebeard's era will usher in a new one.)
I like this Robby, I really like this. ^
good to be reminded that there are people like you in ap forums.
Ha… well, having read this maybe I better accept the fact that WB's end's near..... (sigh)
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@robbybedfart:
Ace is saved, so now Whitebeard can die, all the while passing his dream onto Ace.
(An thats not even getting into how ending Whitebeard's era will usher in a new one.)
I like the sound of that. I'm not a Whitebeard hater or anything. But, I can see that happening.
Man… now you can search for One Piece, find it and become Pirate King AND be dubbed as the Strongest Man in the World... although, searching for a treasure doesn't mean, you're badassly swole.
Whitebeard needs to help everyone escape. Create an earthquake that shakes the world, that also causes an escape route for the pirates.If Whitebeard does that... he'll die with a DON!
He'll be a total "G" in my One Piece book.EDIT: Also, may I add, if Whitebeard dies, then not only is the Straw Hat Pirates (and other new pirate crews) go into the New World, there'll also be a new era.
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i dunt get why all of you are trying to explain the death in OP while you just have to quote Oda-Sama from SBS:
Why doesn't Luffy ever kill his enemies? If you look back, he didn't kill Mohji, he didn't kill Helmeppo or Captain Morgan, or anyone. Well, Zoro was the one who beat Morgan, but still. Why?[4] O: Ahh, good question. First of all, Morgan is still alive. He's being held in prison now by his former subordinates. So why didn't Luffy kill him? In this era, people put their lives on their beliefs and convictions, and fight. When he goes into battle, Luffy is destroying others' beliefs. And when these enemies' beliefs are shattered and defeated, they feel a pain equal to death.
I think that for these pirates, killing or not killing is secondary to winning or losing.You get it now? This is the way that Oda choiced to make his manga. Period.
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@People:
i dunt get why all of you are trying to explain the death in OP while you just have to quote Oda-Sama from SBS:
Because while that quote neatly explains the "no killing the bad guys policy", part of the discussion here is about the parent figures and why Whitebeard's actual DEATH is impending, and so it helps to bring in other examples and putting in the extra emphasis of the passing of dreams from parent to child.
Also, all that said, I'm quite sure Oda is going to make us all cry like little bitches when Whitebeard goes in a few more weeks. Oda made me sad over a BOAT dying, and both Bellemere and Hiriluk get me every time… I'm sure he'll twist the knife of happiness and sorrow intertwined like the master storyteller he is, like he always does.
We'll all be sad when it happens, but we probably won't be dissapointed. The world's strongest man, father and pretector of the entire era, is no doubt going to show his best at the end.
There will be a speech, there will be epicness, there will be tears. Count on it.
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Oda made me sad over a BOAT dying
I wonder if Oda would be able someday to surpass that, one of the best moments on the manga.
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there is a difference between killing and dieing noone is going to kill WB other then himself
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@robbybedfart:
He already lost his good sword arm, same way Zeff lost his good fighting leg.
Oda told us that Zeff lost the leg that allowed him to still kick. He made the choice himself, after all. Also, what makes you think that Shanks lost his stronger arm of the two?
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Oda told us that Zeff lost the leg that allowed him to still kick. He made the choice himself, after all. Also, what makes you think that Shanks lost his stronger arm of the two?
Because when Mihawk Visited Shanks, he Mihawk said something like he and Shanks shouldn't fight, he lost his good arm.
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@mdmartin101:
Because when Mihawk Visited Shanks, he Mihawk said something like he and Shanks shouldn't fight, he lost his good arm.
Except that he didn't say that at all…
@Stephen's:Mihawk: Hmph… I'm not interested in our fight, now that you have but one arm. (chapter 96)
On a slightly more unrelated note, Zeff had to eat his own leg raw.
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Now that I think about it Mihawk just doesn't want to risk losing to a man with one arm.
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Isn't Whitebeard want to see the new age brought by the new generation? And he said he don't want to die and see the future of his children. Isn't that make him like Pell than? I still think Whitebeard won't die.
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@AdmiralYonkouMt.Bandit:
Now that I think about it Mihawk just doesn't want to risk losing to a man with one arm.
Who Failhawk? Of course he wouldn't risk it. He's VA level at most.
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No early 572 spoilers yet?
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No early 572 spoilers yet?
Theres on at mangahelpers but it says verification fake, tough the context could be legit.
Soruce: 2ch // JJT
Credit: Apprentice
Verification: Fakeso i guess we have to wait a little bit longer than the last two weeks…....
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an apprentice fake???
Butz no talking about fakes. We have to wait
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Theres on at mangahelpers but it says verification fake, tough the context could be legit.
Soruce: 2ch // JJT
Credit: Apprentice
Verification: Fakeso i guess we have to wait a little bit longer than the last two weeks…....
That one IS fake, though the story seems reasonable,
BUT this spoiler says robin's on the cover, but she already had her cover pic this round/turn. She can't have 2 cover pics in one row.
And because of this little mistake it's fake. But maybe apprentice means Vivi, but she doesn't look that similar to Robin. -
That one IS fake, though the story seems reasonable,
BUT this spoiler says robin's on the cover, but she already had her cover pic this round/turn. She can't have 2 cover pics in one row.
And because of this little mistake it's fake. But maybe apprentice means Vivi, but she doesn't look that similar to Robin.The only female who is similar too Robin is Hancock, but Hancock in a cover means that she will join?? That's weird
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That one IS fake, though the story seems reasonable,
BUT this spoiler says robin's on the cover, but she already had her cover pic this round/turn. She can't have 2 cover pics in one row.
And because of this little mistake it's fake. But maybe apprentice means Vivi, but she doesn't look that similar to Robin.So it was fake just because of that? frankly it all seems very light.
No other spoil has emerged since …
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So it was fake just because of that?
yep, stupid but still a mistake which clear shows us that someones tries to trick us.
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So it was fake just because of that? frankly it all seems very light.
No other spoil has emerged since …
Anyway we'll see by WednesdayNo it was fake because Apprentice simply did not post yet, it was the old "quote a post that never existed in the first place" trick.
When I first read it I thought it looked real because I was excited about the content, but when I thought about it more, it lacked any sort of "Oda surprise" (like Inazuma hiding in Ivankov's hair or mr3 showing up on the platform) that will tip off a spoiler is real from the content alone.
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So it was fake just because of that? frankly it all seems very light.
No other spoil has emerged since …
Anyway we'll see by WednesdayThere are two ways:
1. Faker made a mistake by pickin Robin for cover story although she already had her pic.
2. Oda made a mistake by pickin Robin for cover story although she already had her pic.
Which one of them makes such a mistake?
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I defiantly agree with **robbybedfart!
White beard shall fall an epic yet tearful demise.**
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3. Screw Vivi's cover and it's the continuation of Robin's side story.
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Also, what makes you think that Shanks lost his stronger arm of the two?
Mostly due to Mihawk's not wanting to fight him anymore. The dialouge puts them at roughly equal "fun sparring partners level" before. Granted, Oda says in an SBS that Shanks hasn't actually lost any strength.
So maybe it boils down to Shanks and Mihawk are both of such a level, they needed to wield their swords with both hands to have an interesting fight between them. (Mihawk has been using both hands to wield his giant sword, after all)
So Shanks may still have the same level of strength as he did, (and thus be overwhelming to any given lesser opponent) and he may even still have his good main swordfighting arm, but his skill dropped just enough for absolute top tier Mihawk to lose interest.
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I think it was also stated by Oda, either in SBS or Databook, that Shanks lost his sword arm.
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