@brennen.exe:
They don't necessarily NEED to know where the enemy is. The whole point of Ace's public execution is to lure the enemy to THEM. So no matter where he is, they know where he will end up. Losing sight of him prior to the battle wasn't good, sure, but that hardly makes or breaks the deal. It just means that they need to divide their attentions a little to the prison and Marineford; but really Marineford isn't much of an issue until Ace arrives there, so their attentions aren't divided that much. It's just a point in Whitebeard's favor, that's all.
A point for WB can mean a complete defeat of the marines. If they're so worried about his strength they would be more competent
They gathered "all the top Marines" to MHQ; it's figurative, not literal. Surely they didn't pull every single scrap of Marines from all over the world. I would bet they still have some capable hands in appropriate places. I was talking to Muddy Gorilla a few weeks back about the World Government and the Nations under it, comparing it to America, and I suggested that the Nations are the "States" to the World Government's "America". America (World Government) has control of the military (Marines), and while it might get involved with escalated issues within any given state (Nation), it's primary duty is the protection of the country (World) as a whole. Each state (Nation) likely has it's own police (Army/Warriors), special task force (Elite Fighters), and investigation unit (Intelligence/Spies), so they likely do not rely on or necessarily need the military's (Marines') involvement whenever they face an issue. Given these examples, you can sort of see how the Marines are not the only force in the world that watches over islands and nations, and that even if they are gathering their top brass, they likely left a few capable people at their strongholds during the course of this war. So, like I said, try not to take it too literally. If you must take it literally though, read on:
I agree here. It makes sense that every WG country/kingdom has its own defense forces. I expect the marines to have something like important points they have to defend in order to protect their territory. I mean the admirals and vice admirals have sections they patrol. If you gather them all then these sections are now defenseless. The empire or what you would call the WG is now vulnerable.
They don't have much of a choice. Sure, this is an opportune time for any pirate seeking glory and fame, but if the World Government ever plans to do anything about Whitebeard then they have to deal with what comes with that. The thing is, if/when they take Whitebeard down, they will still have most of their power behind them after the battle, while the other weaker pirates and Yonkou will have LESS power due to the "Strongest Man in the World" no longer being around. This would mean, to both the WG and the Pirates, that it's only a matter of time until the rest are taken care of and rounded up. Whitebeard is the primary threat; the first of many that will fall in a domino effect. (From their perspective). Once they are done with the major pirates, they can focus more on Dragon. I'm sure that the Marines (or the WG) believe these to be practical and worthy sacrifices for taking down their biggest threat to the World.
Isn't that a bad strategy? They're are willing so much to take down WB that they jumped on the first opportunity to bait him. They are now risking their kingdoms, their territory and they are risking a lot of human lifes. They are rushing the war without thinking of the consequences they may not be able to handle. If the other yonkous right now think "Oh yes we all hate the marines seeing them in such a bad shape after the war is a good occasion to hurt them more".
Not really. Dragon takes down countries by spurring civil war and the likes. Remember what I said earlier about the other nations? They without a doubt have their own forces and their own power to help protect them, so while this is a good opportunity for Dragon to exploit, it isn't an invitation to do that much. Like I said though, what other choice do they have if they plan to take Whitebeard down? Any difficulties Whitebeard's issue brings can be taken care of afterward when those other gigantic threats are no longer existant. If not now, EVENTUALLY they would have to pull all their strong forces to take Whitebeard down, unless they plan to continue to lose forces to Whitebeard and have nothing change. What better time than when they have one of Whitebeard's top brass in their hands and about to be executed? What better way to ensure victory than to lure him to your base of operations where you have most of your top men at hand?
The only advantage they have from all this is that WB will fight them on their territory and they have BB which may probably attack them after the war but hey let's trust him. They are desperate seeing how Sengoku reacts to the bad news he is receiving every day :)
They aren't counting on the Shichi. They are using them. That is what they are for. Their sole existence. If you paid a criminal to do some dirty work and gave him immunity, wouldn't you want him to show up to do his job? If he wasn't coming wouldn't you threaten to take away his immunity and throw him in prison where he belongs? Wouldn't you still want to make use of his special abilities if you still could? Wouldn't you throw him in prison if he rebelled against you? Dealing with criminals isn't a great idea, I agree, but this was something established long ago, so I am sure they made it an option that would work in their favor. If not, then that was poor planning on their part years ago and not simply due to the war. They are just forcing the Shichi to do exactly what they were meant to do, giving them the option to do it or lose it. In some cases we already know they are losing it (Jinbei).
Yes but sending vice admirals gathering the shishis rather than elaborate a proper plan to take down WB without risking so much shows me that
they have:
- not the better plan
- they are really greedy
Why am i saying they are greedy. Garp already said that if Ace kill himself it won't change the fact that WB will attack the marines yes? Why don't they kill him. Magellan can drop a lot of hydras on him killing him in ID without taking the risk of Ace becoming free. If they are willing so much to take WB down then why don't just kill Ace in ID when he is so weak? Because killing him in front of 1000 people who can go nuts will be a better way of showing their power? That's taking a lot of risks. They already did this with Gold Roger and now they are just confident that they will be able to do it with Ace?
Again, not really. They will be transporting Ace (secured) via a MARINE-ACCESS-ONLY pathway from one Gate of Justice to another Gate of Justice. Anyone who attempts to enter that path and rescue Ace will end up at MHQ whether they like it or not, else they will be forced to continue sailing in a big circle forever.
What if those doors doesn't mean anything to WB? What if he is actually able to slice them with the power he has shown so far? I mean ok that might be too much but it is possible. And who said that WBs crew isn't able to escape the whirl?
Why is everyone besides the marines/WG talking about a new rampaging era and not the WG/marines? We saw what Kaidou tried after seeing WB moving. Isn't that something they would have predict? Aren't the marines aware that the other yonkous know what will happen if WB falls? Wouldn't that also means the yonkous can decide to also take down the marines and then WB? Or first WB and then the marines? Or wouldn't that means the yonkous will go berserk and attack everyone in order to survive since the TGP wouldn't be in balance anymore after WBs death. And are they really thinking they can handle all that?
I think they were dumb rushing Aces public execution.
…I...I just thought, y'know, like discussing which FLOOR a guy hung out on for like, forever, got old.
