Well, current ticket sales are breaking records, and I'd say this is already guaranteed to be the greatest box office hit of 2021, that's about enough reasoning for Sony to never sell Spiderman seeing how profitable the franquise still is.
In my country.. people are literally beating each others to get tickets
I'm not a Tom Holland spidey fan at all, but I'm looking forward to this movie because of the villains and the hope for the return of Tobey.
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The movie has big Kamen Rider/Super Sentai crossover film vibes, so I'm definitely looking forward to that aspect. If Holland is really getting more films then I hope we see some real curve balls. A lot of iterations of Spider-Man try to make him forever young but a part of experiences as a young adult that a lot of films don't cover is parenthood. I think a cool curve ball would be exploring that angle, even if Sony and Disney aren't likely to give us a twenty year old Spider-Dad.
I just can't get over the fact that…these aren't this Spideys villains. He has no history with them, to him they're just some dudes. I know William Dafoes Green Goblin, but the MCU Spidey doesn't even have an equivalent Norman Osborn to have history with so theres not any real dramatic meat here, just "remember this?". The excitement of collecting Spideys villains in a sinister six team is only there in the most superficial sense.
Also I wish there could be a moratorium on MCU pointing at itself and going "Lol this is pretty dumb, right?" and NO I do not consider the stop-for-literal-laughing-at-Ottos name moment from the trailer equivalent to an understated JJJ going "huh, what are the odds". Hopefully its just a trailer thing, so much of the Ant Man marketing was just "Ant Man is a dumb name, we know", but the movie wasn't as bad with it.
Holland is already 25 so I don't think they'd be able to pretend he's still in high school much longer anyway.
But yeah, I know a lot of people are psyched about the big crossover but I am not. Its the laziest possible route to go, and yeah, he has no connection to these guys so its a very superficial sinister six, though probably the only way we could work up to in in movie form.
Doesn't help that I have very little actual fondness for the previous iterations.
I admit I've never seen the Andrew Garfield versions. But I will always have a spot in my heart for Tobey.
@Daz:
so much of the Ant Man marketing was just "Ant Man is a dumb name, we know", but the movie wasn't as bad with it.
Don't you dare mock the Ant Man marketing
Paul Rudd and Michael Douglas slapping their legs and just saying "ants" over and over again is the best marketing of the entire MCU
That should have been the only trailer for the movie.
@Daz:
I just can't get over the fact that…these aren't this Spideys villains. He has no history with them, to him they're just some dudes. I know William Dafoes Green Goblin, but the MCU Spidey doesn't even have an equivalent Norman Osborn to have history with so theres not any real dramatic meat here, just "remember this?". The excitement of collecting Spideys villains in a sinister six team is only there in the most superficial sense.
Kinda of the pro and con with Spider-Verse you get villains that have history with the Spider-Men involved you also get villains who don’t have history with the Spider-Men involved.
@Daz:
I just can't get over the fact that…these aren't this Spideys villains. He has no history with them, to him they're just some dudes. I know William Dafoes Green Goblin, but the MCU Spidey doesn't even have an equivalent Norman Osborn to have history with so theres not any real dramatic meat here, just "remember this?". The excitement of collecting Spideys villains in a sinister six team is only there in the most superficial sense.
Also I wish there could be a moratorium on MCU pointing at itself and going "Lol this is pretty dumb, right?" and NO I do not consider the stop-for-literal-laughing-at-Ottos name moment from the trailer equivalent to an understated JJJ going "huh, what are the odds". Hopefully its just a trailer thing, so much of the Ant Man marketing was just "Ant Man is a dumb name, we know", but the movie wasn't as bad with it.
I havent been a fan of MCU Spidey fighting people that have beef with Tony more than him. So I'll settle with having villains that have beef with alternate version of him. But I also am bias to my fondness of the Raimie movies.
The Otto joke is weird since he's team up with a guy named Strange. And It might be me but I dont find the name that laugh inducing.
I finally went to see Eternals, after it's been out for I think a month or so, which is pretty late for me. I really wasn't looking forward to it much either. This was always the Phase 4 movie I was least excited about, and the rather lukewarm reception so far didn't help with that, of course. Like, I didn't expect a bad movie, just that I would be rather bored and that the characters would be kinda dull and uninteresting.
Aaaaaaaand I actually really, really enjoyed it! Maybe it was my lowered expectations? I dunno, I thought it was a pretty good movie. It felt appropriately epic to me. And I cared about almost all the characters, including side characters, despite the small screentime some of them had. I may like it more than Shang-Chi, but I'm not sure yet. I know I definitely did enjoy the climax/final fight a lot more than that CGI mess in Shang-Chi. I did feel its length more than I did during the last two Avengers movies, but I can't say I was bored.
More details and major spoilers in spoiler tags:
! Ok, let's start with the characters. One of the major complaints I've read before is that the cast is way too big and a lot of the secondary characters don't get nearly enough screentime or characterization to make you care about them. And that was true….for about the first third of the film. Aside from Sprite, Ikaris and Sersi, most of the other Eternals sort of disappeared in the background for me, I could barely remember how many of them there were, not to mention get a grasp of their personalities. But that really changed when they started reintroducing everybody one by one. That was a very smart move and it really helped me to see everybody as an individual character with his or her own personality, motivations etc. It's true that a lot of them don't get that much to do or a ton of screentime, but imo this is a case of quality of quantity. You can do so much with just one or two scenes and skilled, charismatic actors. Phastos breaking down crying after seeing the destruction his inventions indadvertently caused in Hiroshima was enough, for example, to make me care about the character. We only got a few small scenes depicting the deep bond between Gilgamesh and Thena, but again, that was enough to make me really buy the emotions once Gilgamesh died and Thena was crying over his body (more on that later). And also, how is it not a bigger deal for people that we had an actual gay married couple rasing a kid together and sharing an onscreen kiss in a Disney movie. That's huge! I thought that was so great!
! I think Phastos, Kingo and Makkari were my favorites of the group (extra points for Kingos butler Karun, who stole the show a couple of times), but I thought Thena, Sprite and Druig were pretty interesting characters too. Sersi and Ikaris were probably my least favorites of the bunch, and that's of course a bit of a problem, because Sersi is kind of the central main character of the movie. I thought they were a tad bland and boring, but in Ikaris case, that actually kinda worked because he was supposed to be detached from humanity. Richard Madden was sooo channeling Henry Cavill in Man of SteelBut it worked better here because, even though he was sort of Marvels answer to Superman (which the movie even pointed out directly, I thought that was hilarious), he still isn't Superman, so I didn't need him to be a boy scout that loves humanity or anything. And I was so glad that he turned out to be the villain of the movie - a twist that actually took me by surprise. The film totally tricked me into thinking Druig or maybe Thena would be the bad guy. And I was happy about this because he was the one member of the Eternals that I felt was way too powerful. All the others, while strong, actually didn't seem that above the Avengers for example. but he was something else. And it's often troublesome when you have one character who is waaaaaay more powerful than the others, because it just makes you wonder why he can't take of every problem by himself and what the rest of the characters are even needed for.
! But yeah, he was the villain, and he killed himself by flying into the sun at the end (which felt sort of poetic), so that's all good. And that actually elevated the climax because now they had to stop this all-powerful guy, too, somehow? For the first time in a while, I actually went into a superhero movie climax thinking "How the hell are they going to win??". What also helped the climax was the fact some of the Eternals actually died earlier in the film. Now, Ajak I kinda expected to die, because, well, she was the leader of the team but not the main character, which is never a good sign. She also just gave me that vibe of the wise mentor to the hero type of character, so yeah, I anticipated her death. But Gilgamesh dying in the middle of the movie? I didn't see that coming! And that really helped raise the stakes for the climax, because suddenly, I wasn't sure how many of these characters were actually going to survive? I mean, in the end, most of them did, but it could have been a scenario where only two or three Eternals are left standing. And since I actually had started caring about these characters, this really had an effect on me during the final battle. I was actually worried about characters like Phastos or Makkari when they were fighting Ikaris (Makkari fighting Ikaris may have been my favorite scene of the movie btw, that was just satisfying to watch).
! I could go into more detail but I think this is already long enough.
So yeah, I certainly didn't expect to end up praising this film and defending it against criticism, but here I am. I honestly think this is the type of film where people might look back at in a few years and say "Hey you know what, this is actually pretty cool, maybe we were a bit too hard on it." But who knows
Ah yeah
Oh damn, that ending.
! Part one
Did we know that before now?
This is the Spidey movie I'm looking forward to! Spiderverse 1 did what I thought was impossible and was better than Spidey 2. I'm hoping this lives up to the hype.
chef's kiss Perfect.
That trailer tells me nothing. I hate that, but I love this movie and I'm happy to see more of it and that animation looks incredible. Looking forward to it.
So
! Charlie Coxis Daredevil.
I’m shocked:whistling::whistling:
Shang-Chi 2 confirmed
In other news, I got a ticket for the first showing of No Way Home here, very excited
A little more info on the Shang-Chi 2 confirmation:
https://movieweb.com/shang-chi-2-sequel/?utm_source=MW-FB-P&utm_medium=Social-Distribution&utm_campaign=MW-FB-P&fbclid=IwAR2-952m8tT8_Lguw-eC71pWiC2dVoiII1f_NH-revIDvvvQyq60q3jk4Is
And who wants to see Morbius transform?
I just hope the next Shang-Chi is more martial arts and less cgi pls
I loved Shang Chi, one of my fav Marvel movies
Only problem I had, that probably didn’t bother anyone else but me 
was that they didn’t introduce the concept of Chi which is essential to the character in the comics and to Kung Fu in general, I mean he’s the marvel comics master of Kung Fu, and chi is a huge part of Kung Fu and it’s philosophy
Again no one else probably cared but I did (still loved the movie though)
About to be 3 films in and Happy is more of a prioritized character than Ned, May, or MJ. I hope NWH is good and not a letdown like FFH. I'm already uncertain about the writing for Strange.
Okay folks, Spiderman NWH has had screenings now, so spoilers will start coming hard and fast soon.
Please remember to use spoiler tags. And even though we all know what the big surprise at the end of the movie is going to be, and we've joked and speculated on it for months, we don't KNOW it as fact yet, so please keep stuff tagged as much as possible for a while. Youtube and twitter and facebook are whatnot are no doubt gonna ruin it, but show the courtesy.
The film has been delayed to January 15th in Norway due new variant and another lockdown. Avoiding spoilers is going to be impossible :(
No Way Home was pretty ballin.
Huh, I guess there wasn't another major Marvel announcement between the site crashing and now. Neat, it's like we lost no time here.
Well, there was a whole bunch of Moon Knight stuff, including the trailer:
Seriously looking forward to this, even though I know squat about Moon Knight. Because who doesn't like a character with Dissociative Identity Disorder?
I think this pretty much sums Moon Knight.
I guess I've seen a bunch of edits, Moon Knight seems to be just the right portion of crazy. He calling Dracula a fucking nerd had me cackling
I think this pretty much sums Moon Knight.
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Jesus .
Overall, NWH was a cool movie…
! but fundamental error with Strange as I expected from the trailer.
! Strange said it himself as he fought Peter. You don't mess with reality like that. Yet, he attempted the spell??? Did a whole bit and lectured Peter about trying other ways before coming to him over a magic spell. This is an issue that is the result of McKenna and Sommers having to write Strange and they have never written for him on any of the other films.
! It's on Marvel Studios to communicate on that front. They brag about their brain trust that keeps a strong line of communication between creatives to avoid issues like this. There are ways to pull off this great concept of dealing with characters from other Earths without making Strange inconsistent.
! Strange learned in his first film a lesson that grounds him and even he says it in this exact film. It's the reason why he lectured Peter after the spell about going to the college and trying to speak to someone before trying to cast a spell to solve his issues.
! It's like the main issue of the writing is there, but they know most of the audience are too enamored by all the cool parts that no one would care to question.
! Sucks that such a great character study is flawed by something so overt and fixable.
! Low self esteem Peter and Peter that constantly has to deal with duality were spot on for Andrew and Tobey's iterations. Bring them together and going the self love route is a great touch.
! I wonder if the villains go back and have to deal with their drastic change or does it not really matter because they don't ever have to address it again. It was big on fan service as well as therapeutic.
! It's so crazy that there was more characterization for MJ and May here than in the 1st two films combined. I actually made the joke last year that the MCU writers would rush delineation in the 3rd film for a character they plan to kill. Didn't know it would be May. Someone replied to my old reddit post saying it and spoiled me that they did kill her. I wasn't even mad at them either.
! They made Tony and Happy the main supporting characters of the 1st two films as the actual Spiderman supporting characters like May play 2nd place to them in those films.
! The great responsibility line felt so forced and May has never had so many lines in this trilogy before. Again, a great concept of May being the heart and motivation to keep Peter on the path of helping the villains, yet it's so unnatural. Why? Because May has little to no lines in the prior films. This is a character you could have done some of these same things with in FFH and it was never priority. The MCU comes first. This is 1 of the few characters they do this to. I fear for Fantastic Four and X-Men. In a F4 or X-Men film, make their support have little to no inclusion in the plot, while prioritizing other MCU characters until you want to kill the X-Men's "May" off.
! So many cool concepts that lack impact by taking writing shortcuts. If anything, you should have killed Happy. He was developed. It had to be May tho. It fits perfectly compared to Ben and Gwen and would have made sense if you cared to make May matter in the 1st 2 films.
! Another flaw in bringing Parker into the MCU. His supporting characters play backseat to the other characters. Then when you have cool ideas for impactful moments like killing off a supporting character or bringing in characters from other Earths, it falls flat.
! It doesn't matter because Peter got to fight dope villains from old films, wrestle with Strange, and hug it out with himself from other films.
! All that understanding and hugging meant nothing too because when Peter was antagonized by Goblin, he tried to kill him anyway because he can't learn that easily. Tobey's Peter has to get stabbed 1st and mirror Norman getting impaled in Raimi 1. Another dope idea that lacks impact because Peter is made into an emotional idiot for it to happen. Just like 1 of the worst parts of FFH where Peter is dumbed down ridiculously to hand over EDITH to Mysterio. 1 of the worst scenes in the trilogy.
! Favorite part was Ned promising he won't betray him. Look at that. Peter's actual supporting characters getting development. MJ becoming more optimistic. Look at that, actual growth. Not that hard when you finally sideline Strange, Stark, and Happy. Yes, that is what MCU can possibly do to the X-Men and F4 going forward.
! 1 Give them a supporting cast that will be mostly sideline.
2 Prioritize an already existing MCU character because the universe comes first before storytelling
3 Then poorly execute cool ideas due to not utilizing the supporting cast until the last minute
! These films are just better when you dim down the MCU mess and it's about Spiderman and his support. Another problem is the way they try to keep Strange away. It's is filled with holes. They make Peter a genius in the Mirror dimension when they need him to be and turn his brain off to hand EDITH over to a guy he has known for less than 2 weeks.
! There are believable and natural ways to pull these off too. This could have easily been a top 5 MCU film.
This is a beautiful trailer
Drop dead gorgeous. And it looks like Raimi is having a blast making it.
And shirtless Benedict Cumberbatch always makes me happy.
What that Patrick Stewart's voice? That faceless man sounded like Patrick Stewart.
What that Patrick Stewart's voice? That faceless man sounded like Patrick Stewart.
It was. Sound like
! They will drop the Illuminati on the movie.
And shirtless Benedict Cumberbatch always makes me happy.
You should watch Power of the Dog. You'll see more than just his chest.
What that Patrick Stewart's voice? That faceless man sounded like Patrick Stewart.
Sure sounded like him.
Anyway, the trailer was cool. Didn't reveal too much more, but I'm excited for the movie.
I'm significantly hyped
Overall, NWH was a cool movie…
! but fundamental error with Strange as I expected from the trailer.
! Strange said it himself as he fought Peter. You don't mess with reality like that. Yet, he attempted the spell??? Did a whole bit and lectured Peter about trying other ways before coming to him over a magic spell. This is an issue that is the result of McKenna and Sommers having to write Strange and they have never written for him on any of the other films.
! It's on Marvel Studios to communicate on that front. They brag about their brain trust that keeps a strong line of communication between creatives to avoid issues like this. There are ways to pull off this great concept of dealing with characters from other Earths without making Strange inconsistent.
! Strange learned in his first film a lesson that grounds him and even he says it in this exact film. It's the reason why he lectured Peter after the spell about going to the college and trying to speak to someone before trying to cast a spell to solve his issues.
! It's like the main issue of the writing is there, but they know most of the audience are too enamored by all the cool parts that no one would care to question.
! Sucks that such a great character study is flawed by something so overt and fixable.
! Low self esteem Peter and Peter that constantly has to deal with duality were spot on for Andrew and Tobey's iterations. Bring them together and going the self love route is a great touch.
! I wonder if the villains go back and have to deal with their drastic change or does it not really matter because they don't ever have to address it again. It was big on fan service as well as therapeutic.
! It's so crazy that there was more characterization for MJ and May here than in the 1st two films combined. I actually made the joke last year that the MCU writers would rush delineation in the 3rd film for a character they plan to kill. Didn't know it would be May. Someone replied to my old reddit post saying it and spoiled me that they did kill her. I wasn't even mad at them either.
! They made Tony and Happy the main supporting characters of the 1st two films as the actual Spiderman supporting characters like May play 2nd place to them in those films.
! The great responsibility line felt so forced and May has never had so many lines in this trilogy before. Again, a great concept of May being the heart and motivation to keep Peter on the path of helping the villains, yet it's so unnatural. Why? Because May has little to no lines in the prior films. This is a character you could have done some of these same things with in FFH and it was never priority. The MCU comes first. This is 1 of the few characters they do this to. I fear for Fantastic Four and X-Men. In a F4 or X-Men film, make their support have little to no inclusion in the plot, while prioritizing other MCU characters until you want to kill the X-Men's "May" off.
! So many cool concepts that lack impact by taking writing shortcuts. If anything, you should have killed Happy. He was developed. It had to be May tho. It fits perfectly compared to Ben and Gwen and would have made sense if you cared to make May matter in the 1st 2 films.
! Another flaw in bringing Parker into the MCU. His supporting characters play backseat to the other characters. Then when you have cool ideas for impactful moments like killing off a supporting character or bringing in characters from other Earths, it falls flat.
! It doesn't matter because Peter got to fight dope villains from old films, wrestle with Strange, and hug it out with himself from other films.
! All that understanding and hugging meant nothing too because when Peter was antagonized by Goblin, he tried to kill him anyway because he can't learn that easily. Tobey's Peter has to get stabbed 1st and mirror Norman getting impaled in Raimi 1. Another dope idea that lacks impact because Peter is made into an emotional idiot for it to happen. Just like 1 of the worst parts of FFH where Peter is dumbed down ridiculously to hand over EDITH to Mysterio. 1 of the worst scenes in the trilogy.
! Favorite part was Ned promising he won't betray him. Look at that. Peter's actual supporting characters getting development. MJ becoming more optimistic. Look at that, actual growth. Not that hard when you finally sideline Strange, Stark, and Happy. Yes, that is what MCU can possibly do to the X-Men and F4 going forward.
! 1 Give them a supporting cast that will be mostly sideline.
2 Prioritize an already existing MCU character because the universe comes first before storytelling
3 Then poorly execute cool ideas due to not utilizing the supporting cast until the last minute
! These films are just better when you dim down the MCU mess and it's about Spiderman and his support. Another problem is the way they try to keep Strange away. It's is filled with holes. They make Peter a genius in the Mirror dimension when they need him to be and turn his brain off to hand EDITH over to a guy he has known for less than 2 weeks.
! There are believable and natural ways to pull these off too. This could have easily been a top 5 MCU film.
I actually agree with most of this. The first 2 MCU Spidey movies are this film's greatest weakness.
How many variations of Kang exist in the comics?
How many variations of Kang exist in the comics?
That's a VERT complicated question because there are a toooooon of characters that showed up first as their own character… and then got retconned into being Kang later because editorial thought "hey, it'll streamline things if we make all these random timetravel villains into the same villain."
That... did not work out.
And then as a character he embraced multiverse pretty far back so there's like, a council of Kangs.
But... a lot.
Off the top of my head, Immortus, Iron Lad, Rama-Tut, victor Timely, Scarlet Centurion, Mister Gryphon
So apparently there was a big Moon Knight spot during the Super Bowl too:
They keep teasing us with these teeny peeks at the actual Moon Knight.
What would you guys prefer, a Thunderbolts or a Dark Avengers movie?
Personally I've always been a Thunderbolts fan, if they could get the original 6 in a film I would be so excited
But seeing as they now have US Agent and Black Widow (Yelena Belova) and…
! Venom
I think there going the dark avengers or at the very least a more modern Thunderbolts and not the original 6
NWH is going for the 2 billion, so Sony refuses to announce or even really promote a digital release. They are smart to do so. The truth is, even if they kept it theatre only until the end of March, they wouldn't hit 2 billion. They will most likely have to rerelease it next year and easily hit the target. They need about 190M and the weekly rate already took the hit in its 3rd week due to Covid.
Now it has to worry about newer films. It went from 20M+ a week in late Jan, and now I don't think it will be more than than 12M a week by March.
The best they can do now is advertise the other records like domestic and beating Avatar there in hope of getting more to watch in theatre. Once they officially get behind a date, people won't feel the need to go. It can't beat Avatar world wide, so they have to celebrate the domestic records.
They announced that Spider-Man: No Way Home will be released digitally on March 22nd and for home release on April 12th!
But not before they also posted this:
THEY DID THE MEME!
Charlie Cox happily confirms that Daredevil will return in the MCU:
https://movieweb.com/charlie-cox-confirms-that-he-will-return-as-daredevil-in-the-mcu-soon/?utm_source=MW-FB-P&utm_medium=Social-Distribution&utm_campaign=MW-FB-P&fbclid=IwAR3_WSKRVPLn9wcerSH52KiAloLC9jSZjClYZELUcmkWjXaJERY_1FF_k5Y
I’m still upset about what they did to Iron Fist, he’s a great character in the comics but they absolutely ruined him
Gotta blame Marvel Television because Marvel Studios didn't even want them to make any of those shows. Feige spoke on having plans for the characters that were used and didn't have the power to stop them back then.
Gifted, those ABC series, Netflix series, Legion, Runaways, Cloak & Dagger, all Marvel Television. This is why they died the more closer they got to starting up Disney+. They were absorbed some years back by Marvel Studios and mostly make cartoons now.
Now, Fiege can pick and choose which specific storyline, character and even performers to be part of the Multiverse. So, if he wants to change a performer or storyline, he can. Many are under the belief that everything produced for Marvel Television is now "canon".
Well, if he handles a character in a way that makes a certain storyline from their series inconsistent, is their immediate MCU storyline now inconsistent? Or is the series they came from not canon and some assumed everything from their stories came along?
I do believe Marvel Studios have an obligation to clear it up once it airs, but to jump to the assumption that every story beat is being brought back over can be unrealistic.
Gotta blame Marvel Television because Marvel Studios didn't even want them to make any of those shows. Feige spoke on having plans for the characters that were used and didn't have the power to stop them back then.
Gifted, those ABC series, Netflix series, Legion, Runaways, Cloak & Dagger, all Marvel Television. This is why they died the more closer they got to starting up Disney+. They were absorbed some years back by Marvel Studios and mostly make cartoons now.
Now, Fiege can pick and choose which specific storyline, character and even performers to be part of the Multiverse. So, if he wants to change a performer or storyline, he can. Many are under the belief that everything produced for Marvel Television is now "canon".
Well, if he handles a character in a way that makes a certain storyline from their series inconsistent, is their immediate MCU storyline now inconsistent? Or is the series they came from not canon and some assumed everything from their stories came along?
I do believe Marvel Studios have an obligation to clear it up once it airs, but to jump to the assumption that every story beat is being brought back over can be unrealistic.
Oh man, I didn't know any of this, thanks for the info man
Yeah it would have been really nice to see Luke Cage, Iron Fist and the Runaways get there own show, I don't know how they could have adapted Jessica Jones though for a kid friendly audience, at least Dare Devil seems to be coming back
