Clearly Oda needs a guy to work exclusively with fact checking the power level wank.
Chapter 890: Big Mom on Top of the Ship
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for that happen you will need
a) for the news of the fact that there are no defenses and totalnd is in some kind of crysis to get out of the territory
b) for whoever is interested, to get the info,prepare an invasion fleet and actually reach totland in what are in the story less than 10 hours.so i can't really say that i see that happening.
in blackbeard's case it was just luck, he didn't knew that there was going to be a crysis at impel down,his plan was always to get there and invade anyway.
The Blackbeard pirates just razed the Revo base to the ground on the night after Burgess tipped them its location. Unless there really was some time unaccounted for between events, which would make sense, considering we saw a full moon in Zou and now there's another one.
Stussy being here at Mama's Tea Party may have been an act of espionage by the World Government, so she could very well have told them hours ago, after the Whole Cake Chateau fell, the chaos going on in Totto Land. The fleet could very well be on its way, since Marine HQ is now in the New World and more powerful than it was pre-TS, according to Jinbe back in Fishman Island. Plus, it doesn't need to happen right now. It could happen in the day after or something, while things still haven't been totally gone back to normal. It just seems too good an oportunity for this arc to have a massive consequence for Oda to set up and not use. -
This comment is made invalid by the first attack which was entirely Nami feeding Zeus.
Except Zues didn't even eat the lightning. Nami just forced him to discharge the lightning he already had.
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Edit: honestly, it's not that hard. Oda portrays WB as the pillar of epicness and BM as a floundering crazed madwoman.
And Shanks as a hobo-looking but badass party-hard pirate, and Kaido as a mentally unstable drunk monster/wild creature. Thank god the 4 emperors have different traits other than "uber epic legend".
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Oda sits awake at his desk at three in the morning, desperately trying to reconcile Power Level Math.
A tear falls down his face as he realizes that Big Mom is only 267 bounty-admiral-douriki, meaning she is not strong enough to pose a threat to Nami (at 270 bounty-admiral-douriki).
He immediately rewrites the entire storyline to accommodate this,
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Except Zues didn't even eat the lightning. Nami just forced him to discharge the lightning he already had.
That is the second time. Im talking about the first time on the island. Nami DECIMATED Big Mom and her army with one strike by her own power combo: Zeus, clouds, and climatact.
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@Cyan:
Oda sits awake at his desk at three in the morning, desperately trying to reconcile Power Level Math.
A tear falls down his face as he realizes that Big Mom is only 267 bounty-admiral-douriki, meaning she is not strong enough to pose a threat to Nami (at 270 bounty-admiral-douriki).
He immediately rewrites the entire storyline to accommodate this,
The editor barges in and shouts about what the hell he is playing at.
Did he arrogantly think people weren't going to notice that the power levels don't add up?
Not around here buddy, we got folks who know for a fact that a 200 power level can't do that to a 225.
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That is the second time. Im talking about the first time on the island. Nami DECIMATED Big Mom and her army with one strike by her own power combo: Zeus, clouds, and climatact.
Which she tanked without damage.
Besides you were just talking about the one in the recent chapter. My point in regards to that was it's still Nami hitting BM with Zeus's own lightning. Not her own. And she still took it despite being weakened.
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That is the second time. Im talking about the first time on the island. Nami DECIMATED Big Mom and her army with one strike by her own power combo: Zeus, clouds, and climatact.
Last I remembered that didn't affect Big Mom at all
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Big Mom is starving to death, in a horrible mental state, completely isolated from her god-tier crew, up against a very poor match up in regards to her homies and she is STILL dominating the straw hats completely. Absolutely everything is stacked against her now and she is still wrecking face. This entire arc has been a blunder by the BM pirates, but that's what every arc in OP is. If anything this point just shows how truely monstrous Big Mom actually is.
^So much this.
I likened this to the FF barely holding their own against a starving Galactus. Despite all the plot and circumstance restraints BM is still stronger than all of them. She'll no doubt be more impressive when we finally fight her in Elbaf.
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@Cyan:
Big Mom gets a bit roughed up
WEAKEST WEAK PERSON TO EVER WEAK, WEAKER THAN PAPER
Big Mom puts up a good fight
ODA OVERHYPING, TIME SKIP WAS FOR NOTHING
Ooooh boy, just you wait until Wano and some pissant peasant like say… Franky dares to even stand in the way of Supreme God Kaido-Sama.
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^So much this.
I likened this to the FF barely holding their own against a starving Galactus. Despite all the plot and circumstance restraints BM is still stronger than all of them. She'll no doubt be more impressive when we finally fight her in Elbaf.
Just to point out BM was entirely FULL HEALTH at the wedding and her haki punch did not even phase Sanji. Luffy was unconscious but probably due to circumstances and not because of the punch.
Again, I love Big Mom she is a lot of fun to watch. And she is strong. Just not so formidable for a yonko.
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All right, I'm going to break up this monotony with a very important question.
…...........Why is it that Napoleon gets his face on the blade part of him when he turned into a cutlass, but stayed on the hat part of him as a longsword?
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The Blackbeard pirates just razed the Revo base to the ground on the night after Burgess tipped them its location. Unless there really was some time unaccounted for between events, which would make sense, considering we saw a full moon in Zou and now there's another one.
the revolutionaries are not a mighty military force and their base was probably not heavily defended either..and we have notions of that since they bailed out once they were discovered….invading an entire nation,even with their defenses being lowered, is another matter entirely, even more when it is a yonkou country.
Also in-between burgess giving them the location and the attack we had the entire travel from dressrosa to zhou plus the day and a half roughly passed on zhou..still way more than 10 hours.Stussy being here at Mama's Tea Party may have been an act of espionage by the World Government, so she could very well have told them hours ago, after the Whole Cake Chateau fell, the chaos going on in Totto Land. The fleet could very well be on its way, since Marine HQ is now in the New World and more powerful than it was pre-TS, according to Jinbe back in Fishman Island. P
first thing first, stussy is part of cp0, an unit that answers to the celestial dragons,not the government.While it's still possible that they will pass info to the government, the cp0 we saw until now (between dressrosa and the non-canon gold movie,only seems interested in the businesses of the tenryuubito and nothing else)
second,even if stussy gave the info the moment after the castle collapsed, that was still roughly 8 hours ago,not enough time to raise an army and reach the place
third, while the base has been moved to the old g1, the marine presence in the new world is still limtied..also jinbe never said they are more powerful now, in fact he said that they have yet to make any move after they moved the hq to the old g1 base.plus, it doesn't need to happen right now. It could happen in the day after or something, while things still haven't been totally gone back to normal. It just seems too good an oportunity for this arc to have a massive consequence for Oda to set up and not use.
considering that in 3 days luffy recovered from the battle with doflamingo and that as of now the big mom crew suffered very little damage (except fro cracker,some fodder and maybe katakuri at the end of the arc) ,i can't say i really see the advantage of an attack in the following days…even the snails are gonna fast get back to their place after the strawhats are gone...it's not like the fishmen pirates are gonna stay in the territory more than necessary..and once praline stops singing, the snails are gonna restart their usual patrol routes.
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@S.C.:
All right, I'm going to break up this monotony up with a very important question.
…...........Why is it that Napoleon gets his face on the blade part of him when he turned into a cutlass, but stayed on the hat part of him as a longsword?
His eyes move to where his consciousness is. I think it is a sword that ate the hat hat fruit maybe
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His eyes move to where his consciousness is. I think it is a sword that ate the hat hat fruit maybe
But transforming from a cutlass to a longsword emphasizes that Napoleon's consciousness is embedded in the blade part even more than before, hence why it increased in size and presumably power. Yet the eyes go back to the hat hilt. It's a bit weird. Actually, everything about Napoleon is weird. Love the idea of a bicorne sword, but I really want Oda to answer how Zeus and Napoleon were made in an SBS soon.
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@Count:
But transforming from a cutlass to a longsword emphasizes that Napoleon's consciousness is embedded in the blade part even more than before, hence why it increased in size and presumably power. Yet the eyes go back to the hat hilt. It's a bit weird. Actually, everything about Napoleon is weird. Love the idea of a bicorne sword, but I really want Oda to answer how Zeus and Napoleon were made in an SBS soon.
Well….wouldn't it just be putting a piece of her soul into a normal cloud? Now how someone made a bicorn-sword for her to make a homie is a good question.
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Thank god it wasn't another chapter of run piece, this was fun. Big Mom's powers are so entertaining to watch, her hair being on fire and the sword burning and shifting its shape. Even the Strawhats get to look good, Jimbei using haki and some of that fishman waterbending that would've been so useful many times by now. Seriously, he's basically a water logia except not intangible, we've seen some of what he can do in the waters of impel down, I was disappointed when he didn't do anything with it against Daifuku's fleet.
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Whitebeard literally DOESNT EVEN BLINK
Big Mom: disgrace to the Yonko name
WB: Epic legend.Does this looks like the face of a man not in pain?
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Again, I love Big Mom she is a lot of fun to watch. And she is strong. Just not so formidable for a yonko.
You can't possibly know how formidable a Yonko is since we barely seen what they could do. We didn't saw much of Shanks, Kaido and current BB to compare.
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Just to point out BM was entirely FULL HEALTH at the wedding and her haki punch did not even phase Sanji. Luffy was unconscious but probably due to circumstances and not because of the punch.
It was only Luffy who countered her Haki punch. Sanji blocked a Zeus attack simultaneously with Luffy.
@S.C.:
All right, I'm going to break up this monotony with a very important question.
…...........Why is it that Napoleon gets his face on the blade part of him when he turned into a cutlass, but stayed on the hat part of him as a longsword?
Probably just design
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Does this looks like the face of a man not in pain?
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You can't possibly know how formidable a Yonko is since we barely seen what they could do. We didn't saw much of Shanks, Kaido and current BB to compare.
Honestly you proved my point really well with that picture. WB looks like a badass and here is a side by side of Nami vs Big Mom for comparison
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Just to point out BM was entirely FULL HEALTH at the wedding and her haki punch did not even phase Sanji.
Um, what? It took G3 Luffy + Diable Jamble just to block a generic no-name attack that wasn't even meant for them.
That in no way makes her less formidable as a Yonkou.
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Honestly you proved my point really well with that picture. WB looks like a badass and here is a side by side of Nami vs Big Mom for comparison
You think getting shocked elicits the same reaction as getting stabbed? Especially when the shock is amplified by the metal sword in Big Mom's hand?
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I would bet $25 even current yonkou-level BB and/or Shanks would recoil in pain if he was in Big Mom's spot there.
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It was only Luffy who countered her Haki punch. Sanji blocked a Zeus attack simultaneously with Luffy.
Probably just design
It was Sanji AND Luffy. This is the same punch that incapacitated a Supernova using his strongest defense. And Capone is the King of defense!
@S.C.:
I would bet $25 even current yonkou-level BB and/or….
Yea but I don't see WB being tanked that hard. If this happened to WB he would maybe flinch. Maybe BB would wimper but not Kaido or Shanks
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The editors said there was a chapter which would be awesome soon. I wonder if they talked about this one
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It was Sanji AND Luffy. This is the same punch that incapacitated a Supernova using his strongest defense. And Capone is the King of defense!
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/9Qv7ErrPcfU/maxresdefault.jpg
Yea but I don't see WB being tanked that hard. Maybe BB but not Kaido or Shanks
Like Kaido said, that's not a "Haki punch", she was just throwing Zeus. Just look at the image and at the full spread.
The only time she used a "Haki punch" was to counter Luffy's G4.
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It was Sanji AND Luffy. This is the same punch that incapacitated a Supernova using his strongest defense. And Capone is the King of defense!
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/9Qv7ErrPcfU/maxresdefault.jpg
Yea but I don't see WB being tanked that hard. If this happened to WB he would maybe flinch. Maybe BB would wimped but not Kaido or Shanks
How could you? You haven't even seen Kaido in a fight yet, silly. :P
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Honestly you proved my point really well with that picture. WB looks like a badass and here is a side by side of Nami vs Big Mom for comparison
Bruh…what are you actually trying to argue here? because your concern seems to be solely with appearances.
BM being damaged by her own power is drastically different than WB getting stabbed by a much weaker pirate.
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Honestly you proved my point really well with that picture. WB looks like a badass and here is a side by side of Nami vs Big Mom for comparison
You do know an electric shock is more efficient is penetrating someone's physical resistance do you?
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And yet in the end that damage was minimal at best.
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@S.C.:
Well….wouldn't it just be putting a piece of her soul into a normal cloud? Now how someone made a bicorn-sword for her to make a homie is a good question.
But how the hell do you make contact with a cloud? Did Big Mom go to a Sky Island? Did somebody bring Island Cloud? Can her powers create Homies from far distances and thus turn a random cloud in the sky into a Homie? It's just weird. The only reasonable explanation I've heard is somebody saying Zeus was created from fog.
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@S.C.:
All right, I'm going to break up this monotony with a very important question.
…...........Why is it that Napoleon gets his face on the blade part of him when he turned into a cutlass, but stayed on the hat part of him as a longsword?
Napoleon is just a weird Homie
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Bruh…what are you actually trying to argue here? because your concern seems to be solely with appearances.
BM being damaged by her own power is drastically different than WB getting stabbed by a much weaker pirate.
I'm not arguing. Someone tried to say Squard was a massive blow to WB and this pic shows WB didn't even flinch. BM fell on her face and whales like a madwoman.
WB gets half his face blown off and still it doesn't even phase him. That is why people were terrified of WB at the war. He IS power.
BM is being schooled by a 100 beli pet
Anyway. I'll stop. Some ppl here are being dishonest with themselves but we all enjoy One Piece so that is fair enough.
I will just say BM is strong I do not doubt that. It's just questionable how strong now.
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@Count:
But transforming from a cutlass to a longsword emphasizes that Napoleon's consciousness is embedded in the blade part even more than before, hence why it increased in size and presumably power. Yet the eyes go back to the hat hilt. It's a bit weird. Actually, everything about Napoleon is weird. Love the idea of a bicorne sword, but I really want Oda to answer how Zeus and Napoleon were made in an SBS soon.
I can easily get smoke from a burning country making a cloud(since the fire would make the sun). I have much more problem with the hat that for some reason turns to a sword. I was thinking zoan but then he isn't part animal but 2 inanimate object.
I am going with the idea that Big Mom designed her sword to have a hat-hilt with the specific idea that she would always have it on her head all the time. The reason it can turn into a hat being that like the other homie he compress himself.
It fits with her taste for the visually captivating.
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WB looks like a badass and here is a side by side of Nami vs Big Mom for comparison
Curiously, here is a side by side accurate comparison showing how that scene would have played out if it was BM instead of WB in there:
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I'm not arguing. Someone tried to say Squard was a massive blow to WB and this pic shows WB didn't even flinch. BM fell on her face and whales like a madwoman.
WB gets half his face blown off and still it doesn't even phase him. That is why people were terrified of WB at the war. He IS power.
If you read chapter 563 you can't say Whitebeard didn't felt that attack.
BM is being schooled by a 100 beli pet
All Chopper did was using his All-Defense Purpose mode to protect Nami from a normal strike of Big Mom's arms and he still felt the damage. And are you actually using Chopper's gag bounty to justify he is only a 100 beli bounty worthy? Come on…
Sorry, but there is a lot of inconsistencies in your arguments to ignore.
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Some ppl here are being dishonest with themselves
BM is being schooled by a 100 beli pet
Well, you're not wrong there.
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I don't get what the controversy is… Big Mam is starving, she's NEVER been starving for this long, and it's clearly a very exceptional situation that she's so into such an impossible to get cake. Whatsmore, she's looking for something that isn't there, while struggling to maintain consciousness and not go fully insane. She's clearly far far weaker than her normal "healthy" state.
If anything, one might argue that the fact she was stronger during the semla incident rather than weaker kinda contradicts what's happening this chapter... but if we take her being weakened by starvation, hunger, and inability to focus on the fight due to her mental state at face value... this outcome is totally reasonable. She's fighting in water, the homies have a bad matchup, and she's seemingly isn't even able to use haki in this state!
As for "tainting" the Younkou name... get outta here. One Piece has always been about characters having flaws or weaknesses, and being beaten through them. For WB it was his trust in his "family". For Shanks, his willingness to protect others over himself. For Big Mam, her inability to control her emotional state when she's hangry (this has been a bit inconsistent, especially with the mother caramel thing, it's a fair criticism to levy against Oda... but not for this specific chapter). Kaidou hasn't been shown one... but I'm sure he'll turn out to have a weakness too.
Crocodile seemed invincible, so did Enel, this is nothing new. Get over yourselves and stop discussing the fight as if it's about who has the biggest DBZ style powerlevel.
EDIT: ugh I'm rereading what I wrote and it's just written incredibly poorly... that's what I get for trying to write coherently after a 12 hour gaming marathon... lol it reads like gibberish frantically edits some more :ninja:
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About Big Mom's "soul stealing" Power: was It ever showed BM stealing someone's soul? I think that all the times her power was portrait the target had surrendered or ofered his soul to BM
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About Big Mom's "soul stealing" Power: was It ever showed BM stealing someone's soul? I think that all the times her power was portrait the target had surrendered or ofered his soul to BM
Jinbe just explained that her soul stealing powers comes from fear.
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Anyway. I'll stop. Some ppl here are being dishonest with themselves but we all enjoy One Piece so that is fair enough.
So now other people giving arguments in a forum is called being dishonest , huh
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@Joy:
Luffy only got a blood transfusion because the wound opened up and the blood transfusion didn't even make sense since Luffy spills gazillions of blood in every major fight he gets. That was just Oda wanting to draw that beautiful scene with Jinbe and the whole blood transfusion between a human and a fishman.
What ? Big Mom failed to hurt anyone, Jinbe threw her off the ship, she lost Zeus and Chopper blocked her attack without even getting hurt. They are clearly dealing with her easily. ALso the Straw Hats are amazing ? I remember the straw hats being treated like trash by Kuma. I remember the straw hats going through hell against Moriah. I remember Franky clearly stating that if not for Luffy, Lucci would have killed them all. I remember Enel seriously injuring nearly everyone.
I also remember these things a couple of arcs back
http://mangaseeonline.us/read-online/One-Piece-chapter-723-page-17.html
http://mangaseeonline.us/read-online/One-Piece-chapter-724-page-5.html
Yeah let's compare Doffy that wanted to kill the alliance to Big Mom looking for Cake.
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Didn't WB got stabbed by surprise at close range by Squard? Why when it's Brook doing that at long range after telling BM to show her panties unnaceptable?
Big Mom was ready to take the attack from Brook, because apparently during their first encounter, Brook couldn't put a scratch on her. BM ignored Brooks move but Brook wasn't planning to attack BM. How people can't make a sense out of it is beyond me.
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A case study of reactions to getting stabbed vs. getting shocked, ft. Roronoa Zoro
Getting stabbed:
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Getting shocked:
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Plus, when has Big Mom ever been stoic? She's emoted far more frequently than Whitebeard and having her act exactly like him would be unoriginal and boring. The point in comparing Nami's attack to Squard's is in its long-term impact. Big Mom shrugged it off without much problem and is still fighting. Unless Oda pulls a massive twist with the cake, the Sunny team isn't going to successfully subdue Big Mom.
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Curiously, here is a side by side accurate comparison showing how that scene would have played out if it was BM instead of WB in there:
That is hilarious. I wonder how many times Big Mom has received flesh wounds in her lifetime.
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@Count:
But how the hell do you make contact with a cloud?
In a world of superhuman powers thats not even remotely impossible. So I'm not sure why you're acting like it's so crazy.
Can her powers create Homies from far distances and thus turn a random cloud in the sky into a Homie?
Clearly. The fruit allows the user to project their soul over a distance.
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People who keep re-iterating that Big Mom is underwhelming or a disgrace to the Yonko have somehow mistaken Yonko as unbeatable gods. Look at Kaido, he has scars; loads of them. Look at Big Mom, smoothest skin; only Kureha's is smoother. Is Kaido now a disgrace? I feel if we had kaido first and then BM there wouldn't be so much debate.
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Some ppl here are being dishonest with themselves
It's the exact opposite. Theres people making claims solely based on their negative feelings towards BM and Then theres the people choosing to acknowledge the actual facts of the matter.
It's just questionable how strong now.
This is clearly a weakened Big Mom. If she were at full power the strawhats obviously wouldn't stand a chance.
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In a world of superhuman powers thats not even remotely impossible. So I'm not sure why you're acting like it's so crazy.
I hate that type of argument. "We see a lot of absurd things in this series, why does this surprise you?" As if it's too much to expect a series' surreality to be logically consistent in how its portrayed throughout the story no matter how unrealistic the concept is.
Anyways, my issue isn't that it's impossible. It's a lot simpler than however Law or Sugar's assortment of powers can be rationalized when put on paper. My issue is how Zeus' probable creation doesn't really seem consistent with how we see all of the other Homies get made. Which is always shown by having Big Mom insert lifespans into nearby objects/creatures and the Homies that are produced mostly resembling their previous form. The only exceptions to this are Big Mom's Homies given how weird all three of them are, but a firestorm being bundled up into a sun makes enough intuitive sense from a cartoony standpoint. And Napoleon could have been a quirky hat-shaped sword before being a Homie.
I'm only wondering where the source for Zeus came from since clouds are all the way up in the sky. Was it smoke? Was it fog? Was it an actual cloud? It's a very insignificant nitpick, but it still makes my brain itch to this day out of sheer curiosity of how abstract a thundercloud is from things you would find on ground level. All I need is a quick SBS answer from Oda since I doubt he'll show Zeus' creation in the story with Big Mom's flashback fully covered.
Clearly. The fruit allows the user to project their soul over a distance.
No she didn't. There were giant flames in front of her. Carmel put a piece of her lifespan into the giant flames in front of her. They condensed into a talking obedient sun Homie. That's quite different from shooting a piece of your lifespan all the way into the sky to latch onto a random cloud. I understand that you're saying she used her ability on a wide area of flames, but they were still in very close proximity to her. I'm questioning the proximity of her powers, not how thin or wide the thing she's turning into a Homie is.
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Yep.. this is entirely a different Big Mom. This Big Mom is a monster albeit with lots of openings and could be caught off guard by the Strawhats which is why she seems to be getting toyed.. but who's getting trashed here anyway? She's just indirectly causing trouble to the Strawhats as her priority is the cake. Though I get other people's sentiments on how Oda poorly writes Big Mom underperforming as an emperor loitering like this compared to the performance they were expected to be with. It also annoys me as much as Peropero's subsequent fate.
Also, it seems like Jimbe here lost his left forearm down. Is the official mark of Strawhatness? Lole