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Nami tends to have pearl earrings. For unique Hancock has those snake earrings to stand out… doesn't stop her from looking like timeskip Robin though.
I agree that (s)he'd look better with a more distinct facial style, but I find it funny that you used Oden's eyes for the first example, as if (s)he wasn't trying to be Oden enough.
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Also when Nami and Carrot we're captured, Robin only said Nami, if Carrot was truly part of SHs, then her name would've been with Namis.. at least that's that's what I think.
How can you say that, Carrot has such great connection with the crew!!! :ninja::ninja:
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How can you say that, Carrot has such great connection with the crew!!! :ninja::ninja:
I mean… I mean.... Yes great connection:ninja:
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Honestly at this point I think Yamato is mostly there because Oda went "this arc has spiraled out of control" and she's there to help tidy up and speed some things along. Get Kaidou's goons fighting (and weakening each other) rather than being fresh? Why are they even on a hunt for her if she's going to be thrown right back into Kaidou instantly? Need to get Luffy directly to a spot rather than work around fodder for another dozen chapters? Get an inside guide. Need to know some secret weakness of Kaidou? Need something other than Tama to anchor in the Ace flashback we're apparently going to get at some point? And having Oden's journal, while not a shortcut for this arc, could contain help for any number of things, like the fourth poneglyph.
And yeah, Orochi's child really feels like something that should have been at least hinted at earlier. We saw Pudding years before we got to the Cake Island arc. And we know that, for instance, when Oda first introduced Kuma, he already knew then that he'd someday separate the crew. Or that when Ace was first introduced, he was going to die. Or Laboon…
The BIG stuff Oda plans way in advance. The little stuff like a design or a fruit power or a character quirk he'll make up on the spot, but anything major he knows. So just being mentioned only 6 chapters in advance is weird, unless there's some detail from way earlier we've all overlooked. 977 being the first mention is just SO recent. If 972 was actually an intended starting cameo with a finished design that's something, but even that isn't much further back.
So its just... yeah, Yamato ticks a lot of boxes narratively but also kind of fits the "made up just recently" bill.
But then, making it up on the spot was also the case with Viv,i we know for sure.Also when Nami and Carrot we're captured, Robin only said Nami, if Carrot was truly part of SHs, then her name would've been with Namis.. at least that's that's what I think.
It's bs to go "Luffy said Carrot's name and that's proof!" it's equally bs to go "Robin didn't say Carrot's name and that's proof!" You're not going to list off every character name every time a situation comes up. Narratively there's no space for it most of the time.
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Yamato and Carrot are both red herrings to distract readers from Caribou joining.
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I'm guessing the rest of the Beast Pirates understand what an Ancient weapon is based on how casually Kaido said it
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Well yes, if it was larger group then I wouldn't use that as a argument, but Carrot really has missed out on a lot of moments since she's kinda been,… Just there.
But yeah, Yamato could be a red herring, if she was planned in advance, then I'd argue thered be some clue to it.. unless the whole Kaidou vs Shanks thing has more to it idk
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but I find it funny that you used Oden's eyes for the first example, as if (s)he wasn't trying to be Oden enough.
Oden and Kaidou actually have very similar eyes and noses, so that's what I was going for. The rest of their faces are super distinct though.
She sort of has his thick eyebrows anyway?
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Yamato isn't safe for me to become a Nakama.
She fought against her dad several times. It could be a training. Maybe it is a plan between Kaido and Yamato to catch Luffy.
Why should say Kaido that he wants Yamato to become the Shogun?It's sound weird.
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Maybe it is a plan between Kaido and Yamato to catch Luffy.
Like this one time when Luffy got one hit by Kaido's club?
It was Kaido's plan to lure Luffy into believing he freed Udon, just so that he can give Yamato the credit for capturing him.And there I thought Kaido was stupid… it's just 200 IQ :ninja:
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Someone mentioned the possibility of that octopus being Yamatos helper, I kind of liked the idea, but I'm also doubtful.
I'm like 60/40 at this point
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Carrot and Nami have been separated from Shinobu. This might mean Shinobu's Scabbard narrative is separate, unless this is a plan to play possum and save Momo. If there was a plan, Zeus would be in on it. Zeus doesn't look like he's part of anything like that tho
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I don't get why people are so adamant on Yamato being evil just because Kaido had destined for them to be Wano's shogun. You people realize the shogun position is purely symbolic, right? Even when Orochi was in charge, he was merely just the face of Wano while Kaido and his goons where doing the real heavy lifting behind the scenes.
Also, even if the Shofun position was legit, nothing about Yamato so far has convinced me that they're in any way a responsible person, or even a competent person. Knocking a high ranking officer out and finding Luffy purely by happenstance does not make one responsible. Granted, we've literally only met Yamato for a grand total of 2 chapters, but I have my suspicions. Orochi was a figurehead, and I don't see why Yamato wouldn't be any different.
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Yamato isn't safe for me to become a Nakama.
She fought against her dad several times. It could be a training. Maybe it is a plan between Kaido and Yamato to catch Luffy.
Why should say Kaido that he wants Yamato to become the Shogun?It's sound weird.
Kaido doesn't plan because he doesn't need to against someone like Luffy. Except for the World Government and the other Yonko he doesn't perceive anyone else to be a threat. Especially when he can mow down other up-and-comers like Kidd.
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Please dear god do not let Oda pull another ha ha i was evil plot.
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Even Luffy he one-shot like two weeks ago after tankingthe best Luffy had like it was nothing. He has zero reason to fear him or plan against him. He doesn't know about shonen training arcs.
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Maybe the big reveal is that because he can't die by conventional means is so bored with life, that he acts like such a villain on purpose in order to grow enough resentment that a challenger can rise in order to take him down. That's why he didn't kill Luffy, that's why he had Yamato metaphorically and literally chained to Wano for 20 years. Just like The Chief from Doom Patrol, he's finding the best possible seedlings he can find in order to grow them into eventual surpassers.
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For me it's either Yamato, or Vivi. With maaaaaybe Tama as a dark horse.
Carrot doesn't stand a chance because Carrot doesn't feel like she is written as a next Strawhat. She barely interacts with Luffy. She becomes a background character for long periods of time. It just doesn't give the same feeling. She's a recurring ally, similar to Law and the samurais and the grand fleet characters.
Yamato feels like a big wake-up call by showing how it's like when Oda actually wants to make someone join. He doesn't let people spend years speculating on number patterns or whether the Pedro death counts as a sad past. He pushes the strawhat angle right out of the door. Every other candidate feels like just a fandom headcanon compared to Yamato in these last 2 chapters. Except Vivi, who's technically a strawhat already.
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Yamato also seems to have a character arc that needs to be developed, which is again something Carrot lacks. She needs to figure out who she is in relation to her father and to Oden.
There's no sad story or lesson to learn or dream to achieve for Carrot. She's enjoying the sea and that's it. Yamato has the misfit thing going on that all the strawhats do, Carrot has a happy family waiting for her at Zou when she's done adventurin'. She doesn't need Luffy the way strawhats normally do.
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Please dear god do not let Oda pull another ha ha i was evil plot.
Only if it leads to the Strawhats being super paranoid and beating up the first person to offer them help on Elbaf.
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Carrot has a happy family waiting for her at Zou when she's done adventurin'. She doesn't need Luffy the way strawhats normally do.
Still in the process of formulating my thoughts regarding this week's chapter and Yamato, so not really prepared to go full essay mode right now, but is there a reason that having a "family" to go back to is a problem?
Nami has Nojiko and Genji.
Usopp has Kaya.
Sanji has Zeff and the chefs of Baratie, as well as Pudding and Reiju if he can get them free of their current living situations.
Chopper has Kureha.
Franky has Iceburg and the Franky Family.
Brook has Laboon.
Jinbe has the Sun Pirates.So far as I'm aware, we've never been given any information about any actual family for Carrot, with the two "closest" people to her seemingly being Wanda and Pedro, the latter of whom blew himself up and has been treated quite consistently as dead since Totland. I agree Carrot is lacking in some development, but I don't think having a place to return to when all is said and done is necessarily a point against her.
Without love, it cannot be seen.
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Yamato really is the first character since Jinbe to really feel like they have a shot. For a lot of factors. But one I would add simply that she is very strong but also pretty sheltered even with being the daughter of Kaido. Lots of room to explore and develop there.
One could say that about Carrot I guess but she is not too much of a character really. Nor interesting. She is just mink number 272627347454 who happens to be Chopper's sidekick at best.
Yamato has a lot more going for her and it just feels…. like the perfect final crew member to balance it off. I could be wrong though but there are only so many years left until the series ends and it would be nice to have our full crew for the last few arcs sooner rather than later.
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Yamato’s best hope is for someone to stab them in the eye and they become the eyepatch character, which would make them less of a Nami clone.
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Yamato’s best hope is for someone to stab them in the eye and they become the eyepatch character, which would make them less of a Nami clone.
So basically you're saying that Yamato needs to look less like Nami and more like Zoro?
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So basically you're saying that Yamato needs to look less like Nami and more like Zoro?
Well, an eyepatch looks quite distinct from a scar.
Plus Zoro just waiting to show off his magic eye powerup.
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Still in the process of formulating my thoughts regarding this week's chapter and Yamato, so not really prepared to go full essay mode right now, but is there a reason that having a "family" to go back to is a problem?
Nami has Nojiko and Genji.
Usopp has Kaya.
Sanji has Zeff and the chefs of Baratie, as well as Pudding and Reiju if he can get them free of their current living situations.
Chopper has Kureha.
Franky has Iceburg and the Franky Family.
Brook has Laboon.
Jinbe has the Sun Pirates.So far as I'm aware, we've never been given any information about any actual family for Carrot, with the two "closest" people to her seemingly being Wanda and Pedro, the latter of whom blew himself up and has been treated quite consistently as dead since Totland. I agree Carrot is lacking in some development, but I don't think having a place to return to when all is said and done is necessarily a point against her.
Ok I believe I didn't explain the concept properly. It's not specifically having a family or not. But it's a sense of not fitting in and general unhappiness that all strawhats share until they meet Luffy.
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Zoro lost someone dear to him who shared his dream of becoming the best swordsman, he needs to fulfill that dream to honor her memory. He has to stay at the sea until he does. Luffy is the best chance he's ever got at reaching the top.
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Nami had her life destroyed by pirates and wasn't allowed to have any hope for 10 years besides the money quest. Luffy freed her of that and let her remember her dream again.
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Usopp was the village fool and felt abandoned by his father, Luffy gave him the chance to go after him and follow his footsteps.
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Sanji had to cut ties with his own family, then watched his entire crew die and forgot about his All Blue dream to be just Zeff's helper. Luffy gave him a new chance at dreaming high.
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Chopper was hated by absolutely everyone, until he met Hiluluk and then accidentally killed him. His own dream of curing diseases was killed in front of him. Luffy gave him a chance to revive it.
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Robin was completely alone for 20 years. Luffy allowed her to trust again.
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Franky is the one who can't even return since he got a bounty before joining the SHs. Either way, he is the one who watched his own dream kill his mentor and spent years not daring to build ships again. Luffy let him do it once more.
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Brook was lonely for 50 years, and his dream is perfectly aligned with Luffy. He was given the change to continue his original quest and meet the only "person" (Laboon) he still cares about, by joining the strawhats.
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Jimbei watched his mentor fail to bring the races together, then became a famous pirate but never came close to achieve it. Luffy gives him a chance to achieve new things.
Carrot is not broken. The strawhat needs to be broken. She watched Pedro die, but that didn't destroy her life. That's the key thing, the strawhat needs to be someone who died metaphorically and was brought back to life by Luffy.
And Yamato seems to fit that bill.
(though now that I think it does seem Jimbei fits this pattern worse than the others, it's unclear why he needs Luffy to achieve his dream. He just has a close bond with Luffy I guess. Which Carrot doesn't).
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I'll echo what other people have said, it doesn't seem like Oda put much effort/thought into Yamato's design so I can't see her joining the crew. Yeah she has horns and height but the all important facial area which Oda loves to emphasize for emotional impact or wacky expressions is way too close to Nami. Which is a huge shame since I like the concept of a tomboy oni.
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How can you say that, Carrot has such great connection with the crew!!! :ninja::ninja:
Yes, she does with Nami and the others who were on WCI, but Robin wasn't with them there. I certainly have no issue with Nami being the main priority for Robin here.
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It's bs to go "Luffy said Carrot's name and that's proof!" it's equally bs to go "Robin didn't say Carrot's name and that's proof!" You're not going to list off every character name every time a situation comes up. Narratively there's no space for it most of the time.
Oda actually highlighted how it's unusual when Luffy uses real names.
SBS V. 96, Ch. 965 Reader: Heso! A question! Luffy gives nicknames to all sorts of people, however, why doesn't he do so with his crewmates? P.N. Takataka
O: Ah, I see! Well…Luffy's a type of person who, basically, doesn't really care about remembering someone's name, so he'll give people a nickname based on his impression of them whether they like it or not, but with that said, when someone becomes his crewmate, he finally remembers their name. He knows their names, so he calls them by their names. That's really all there is to it. It's definitely not proof of her joining, but it is evidence that she isn't unimportant to him as many have tried to claim.
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I'll say the one subtle change in terms of design that would help Yamato look less like Nami is if she had fuller lips. Like Viola's. Sort of a mix between the Nami and Robin design types would go a long way.
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I'll say the one subtle change in terms of design that would help Yamoto look less like Nami is if she had fuller lips. Like Viola's. Sort of a mix between the Nami and Robin design types would go a long way.
I'll hold on to hope that her face gets brutalized after rebelling against Kaidou for the last time or something and she gets a cool scar like that one dude from Magi.
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Yes, she does with Nami and the others who were on WCI, but Robin wasn't with them there. I certainly have no issue with Nami being the main priority for Robin here.
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Oda actually highlighted how it's unusual when Luffy uses real names.
SBS V. 96, Ch. 965 Reader: Heso! A question! Luffy gives nicknames to all sorts of people, however, why doesn't he do so with his crewmates? P.N. Takataka
O: Ah, I see! Well…Luffy's a type of person who, basically, doesn't really care about remembering someone's name, so he'll give people a nickname based on his impression of them whether they like it or not, but with that said, when someone becomes his crewmate, he finally remembers their name. He knows their names, so he calls them by their names. That's really all there is to it. It's definitely not proof of her joining, but it is evidence that she isn't unimportant to him as many have tried to claim.
Luffy called Pekomz by his name when he was wearing a mask, the Luffy who can't recognize Ceasar Clown with a different hairstyle.
so yeah, not a big deal.
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Luffy called Pekomz by his name when he was wearing a mask, the Luffy who can't recognize Ceasar Clown with a different hairstyle.
so yeah, not a big deal.
Hey, give Luffy some credit. He did recognize him. Gastino was just such a smooth talker, he convinced Luffy he was another person.
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Tbf, other than the face, Yamato is pretty entertaining personality wise. She's getting a character arc, becoming a central focus thanks to the Shogun stuff, etc.
It's unusual that we're getting Yamato now, but this is also means, there's going to be more of Wano and that Shogun position, I feel she will accept out of necessity… Well hopefully this character becomes more distinct as time goes
Also, in regards to clue or foreshadows, I cant but feel Tama and the small Ace flashback would be it.
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Carrot is not broken. The strawhat needs to be broken. She watched Pedro die, but that didn't destroy her life. That's the key thing, the strawhat needs to be someone who died metaphorically and was brought back to life by Luffy.
And Yamato seems to fit that bill.
(though now that I think it does seem Jimbei fits this pattern worse than the others, it's unclear why he needs Luffy to achieve his dream. He just has a close bond with Luffy I guess. Which Carrot doesn't).
The Strawhats don't need to be "broken" and be "brought back to life" by Luffy. Sure Zoro lost a very important person but his life didn't really change after it. He already had the dream of becoming the best swordsman in the world, even if Kuina had survived Zoro would still have set out to sea at some point to fight stronger swordsman and pursue Mihawk. Personally I also never really considered Usopp or Jinbei to be "broken". The Strawhats backstory are also not some kind of contest where we need to rank and compare them to each other.
Carrot and Yamato are actually kinda similar. Both were trapped on an island that they wanted to leave to explore the world and both took the first real chance that they got with Carrot sneaking onto the Sunny and Yamato immediately asking Luffy if she can set sail with them.
Carrot went out to sea for the first time in her life thinking that it is going to be a fun adventure and when that "fun" adventure on WCI was over she saw her mentor blow himself up and passing his will onto her, the ship she sailed on was damaged and at that time they left behind countless allies seemingly to die against Big Moms army just so that they can escape.
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Also, in regards to clue or foreshadows, I cant but feel Tama and the small Ace flashback would be it.
Tama seems like a waste of a connection to Ace if not. If Oda was just gonna recycle it with Yamato within the same arc literally , maybe she should’ve just been Orochi’s secret daughter and been done with it. Unless it’s all apart of the same story, Ace met Yamato during whatever adventure the Spade Pirates had on Wano that inspired Tama to wanna become a Shinobi and board Ace‘s ship.
If Yamato fought Ace and eventually desired to join his crew from getting his ass kicked, maybe Tama witness and started to emulate Yamato’s ambition a bit and Ace told her what he did to kinda brush her off like Shanks did to Luffy once upon a time.
As far as Yamato joining , its honestly a coin toss despite me agreeing with Robby that she is perhaps the strongest candidate since Jinbe , who despite seeming a bit unconventional was still obviously growing strong ties to Luffy that went beyond arc specific goals like a Rebecca or Shirahoshi.
I still don’t think this rules out Carrot though , despite being the epitome of unconventional in the sense that with how green she is as a character we’ve kind of seen her whole trauma and maturation Unfold in real time , it’s hard to argue that Oda has placed her in specific moments and have her do key things that’s usually only saved for main characters.
As mentioned she wasn’t needed in Whole Cake. Everything she did could’ve been done by Pekoms. Especially when you consider the tight bond between Pedro and Pekoms, all the new dawn stuff would’ve been simply written off as “ We gots to help them brother, for Zepo ” moment to turn away Pekoms from Big Mom for good, while Pedro sacrificed Himself. Queue Sulong Pekoms. Nice and neat, the perfect pay off and conclusion to Pedro. Yet, Carrot stowaways and inherits Pedro’s will, who also trained her? Wait what?
Pekoms restarting the Nox Pirates would’ve made more sense since he was most likely second command on that expedition. Not a green bean like Carrot who doesn’t know shit and is learning everything about the world As she goes along. She’s no different than when Nekomamushi and Inarurashi washed up on Wano when they were kids. She’s just already a badass.
Which brings me to my conclusion, I can’t shake the memory of Oden forcing his way onto Whitebeards ship and even Rogers’ to a certain extent just because he was fascinated by his ambition, kinda similar to what Yamato’s doing right now and later The mini mink Rulers of the Day and Night stowed away BOTH times, something Carrots done Once and sincerely find it hard to believe Oda can leave her behind after surviving another Adventure with them and witness the New Dawn Pedro spoke of and I doubt it’s simply the opening of Wano. Pedro was chasing his dream by trying to find Poneglyphs , which has Zero to do with Wano opening up and more so to do with the void century itself and how the world used to be.
I honestly think they’ll both join. Between Luffy hyping the biggest celebration ever. Oda mentioning Nakama joining consecutively awhile back, the series reaching its finishline,Oda straight pump faking the color spreads it’s difficult not to wonder if this is it going forward.
Jinbes been a Strawhat since He left his crew and gave Big Mom her cup back. Carrot was already showing the signs during the climax of Whole Cake and Yamato’s out of left field asking point blank if she can go with Luffy and he doesn’t seem like he’s refusing…
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I figured out the next nakama!
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I figured out the next nakama!
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Who I want to join, regardless of likelihood: Kiku.
Who I expect to Join: Yamato.
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Oda mentioning Nakama joining consecutively awhile back,
Given the timing of that particular quote, he was almost certainly talking about the Grand Fleet.
And that was nearly five years ago. That's beyond a casual "a while back".
Same way " a former boss character will join" was the Impel Down crew, and that was over ten years ago. But still gets brought up like its a fresh relevant quote.
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The Strawhats don't need to be "broken" and be "brought back to life" by Luffy. Sure Zoro lost a very important person but his life didn't really change after it. He already had the dream of becoming the best swordsman in the world, even if Kuina had survived Zoro would still have set out to sea at some point to fight stronger swordsman and pursue Mihawk. Personally I also never really considered Usopp or Jinbei to be "broken". The Strawhats backstory are also not some kind of contest where we need to rank and compare them to each other.
Carrot and Yamato are actually kinda similar. Both were trapped on an island that they wanted to leave to explore the world and both took the first real chance that they got with Carrot sneaking onto the Sunny and Yamato immediately asking Luffy if she can set sail with them.
Carrot went out to sea for the first time in her life thinking that it is going to be a fun adventure and when that "fun" adventure on WCI was over she saw her mentor blow himself up and passing his will onto her, the ship she sailed on was damaged and at that time they left behind countless allies seemingly to die against Big Moms army just so that they can escape.
Pedro dieing is not the same thing, it doesn't have the same impact on Carrot's character. Compare to Chopper poisoning his own father, or Franky trying to stop the train that was going to execute his mentor, or Brook recording one last song to play for Laboon after he finally joined another pirate crew. Carrot saw a mink died, like many others died in the Zou arc. It's not personal enough. Any mink could join with that "tragedy" as justification.
Usopp was the village fool, he had a crappy childhood with no father and mother because of Yasopp's decision to leave. His whole identitiy and past is connected to the need to go to the sea too. And to Luffy.
Even Jimbei has the Arlong issue, the Fisher Tiger issue, the Marineford War issue, which are all connected to Luffy in some way.
None of the strawhats will be complete and be able to live fulfilling lives if they leave the strawhat crew. They need Luffy. Carrot will be just fine if she never joins. She doesn't need Luffy.
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I also think Yamato is gonna be the "Law" of this arc. in the sense of him getting a flashback in which the main boss is a main protagonist of as well, oh and he's prolly going to lose a limb too.
And I believe that cause we haven't seen much of Kaido's past, and getting information thru Yamato would be the most logical thing to do right now.
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The best crew had WB, BM, Shiki, Kaidou in the same crew. Luffy gettin the new kaidou makes sense if he ever plans to surpass that crew.
But yamato would be like a walking spoiler, since oden's journal likely has raftel info, ancient history info and everything you find there at laugh tale. Heck, it likely even has the location of the final red poneglyph too. Robin is already too much help since she is the only one that can read poneglyphs.
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Heck, it likely even has the location of the final red poneglyph too.
Most likely not. It was in Fishman Island when Roger got to it. If it was moved from Fishman Island by Roger, Neko and Inu would have known, as they were still in the ship at the time.
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I don't think that journal is going to have any of the spoilers in it. I believe Oden would do this out of respect for Roger, etc.
Still think it's weird that Oda has a mirror/parallel thing going with Tama and Yamato.
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Talking about Tama she is totally absent since the raid, I thought she would have secretly hopped on the Sunny. Hard to believe her extremely useful devil fruit won't be used during the battle :ninja:
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I don't think that journal is going to have any of the spoilers in it. I believe Oden would do this out of respect for Roger, etc.
Still think it's weird that Oda has a mirror/parallel thing going with Tama and Yamato.
Yamato is looking to have one characteristic of each SH.
Japanese/Samurai themed, Like Zoro
Needs to be freed, like Jinbro
wears a mask, Like Usopp
Looks like Nami, like Vivi
Seems smart like Robin
Has Horns, like Chopper
Has family issues, like SanjiShe would be burning the journal like Franky burnt Pluton.
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She'll do that Groucho Marx mirror scene with Nami but flop right away since her head isn't in the frame
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Yamato is looking to have one characteristic of each SH.
Japanese/Samurai themed, Like Zoro
Needs to be freed, like Jinbro
wears a mask, Like Usopp
Looks like Nami, like Vivi
Seems smart like Robin
Has Horns, like Chopper
Has family issues, like SanjiShe would be burning the journal like Franky burnt Pluton.
She's a man, so she will ask Nami to let her see her panties.This got a chuckle out of me, that's for sure.
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Talking about Tama she is totally absent since the raid, I thought she would have secretly hopped on the Sunny. Hard to believe her extremely useful devil fruit won't be used during the battle :ninja:
Oh, she's a little ninja, she's already started her plans to become next Yonkou:ninja:
