In that case, what exactly did she do at Whole Cake that would justify having less of a role at Wano?
She saw ships… right in front of the Sunny... through binoculars!!!
Nobody in the whole series has ever achieved such greatness!
In that case, what exactly did she do at Whole Cake that would justify having less of a role at Wano?
She saw ships… right in front of the Sunny... through binoculars!!!
Nobody in the whole series has ever achieved such greatness!
@Devil:
Amateur. I’ve been studying One Piece for a whole century that I’ve reached about early Two Piece to connect the clues. I’m an analyst, don’t underestimate me.
Where's your academic credentials, buddy? I literally eat and breath One Piece. And when I say literally I mean literally. My shit mostly consist of cellulose, it's a nightmare.
Suffice to say, I know how the man thinks. Yamato is going to make an rabbit stew (by accident) in the upcoming chapters, mark my words.
This is war and you better bring out something concrete if you want to kill the king.
She saw ships… right in front of the Sunny... through binoculars!!!
Nobody in the whole series has ever achieved such greatness!
I must add that, that feat is important for One Piece as a whole series; while Yamato being strong, having connection to Ace, protecting Momo with direct order from Luffy, stalling Kaido, trusting Luffy to defeat Kaido, and about to do something to the explosives are not important for One Piece as a whole series. That’s what I call an analysis, don’t be toxic.
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Where's your academic credentials, buddy? I literally eat and breath One Piece. And when I say literally I mean literally. My shit mostly consist of cellulose, it's a nightmare.
Suffice to say, I know how the man thinks. Yamato is going to make an rabbit stew (by accident) in the upcoming chapters, mark my words.
This is war and you better bring out something concrete if you want to kill the king.
Forgive me my king for I have sinned. I would never question you again. Now let me redeem myself with a rabbit confit sous vide a la Ohara for you. I believe you’re gonna enjoy it very, very much.
Where's your academic credentials, buddy? I literally eat and breath One Piece. And when I say literally I mean literally. My shit mostly consist of cellulose, it's a nightmare.
Suffice to say, I know how the man thinks. Yamato is going to make an rabbit stew (by accident) in the upcoming chapters, mark my words.
This is war and you better bring out something concrete if you want to kill the king.
Ok ok, that part got me!
Im out of the game
I've heard it said that Carrot has less of a role at Wano because she had a more crucial role at Whole Cake. In that case, what exactly did she do at Whole Cake that would justify having less of a role at Wano? It's not like with Jinbe in which he played a crucial role at Whole Cake even though he already played crucial roles at Impel Down and Fishman Island, is it?
For arguments sake I wanna tackle this one, though it will be through the lens of why she has less of a role in Wano.
There's two reasons I can think of for her to be relegated to the background. The first is for Oda to focus more on Wano characters by setting her on the bench so to speak, the other is if her potential joining is meant as a surprise; then it could be justified as Oda taking off the spotlight. Since the idea came up that Yamato might join the Strawhats as a parallel to Oden, I've toyed with the idea that Carrot might end up the same but as a parallel to Inu and Neko. That is, she stows away on the ship and comes alongside Yamato as a surprise crewmate.
I don't find either of these arguments convincing; making sure every character gets some spotlight is Oda's worst habit and I doubt he's gonna break it for one character, and making someone a surprise member can be done with them still receiving a lot of panel time (like Robin).
Regardless I'm very curious why Oda reduced her appearances so drastically. She's a very popular character and has been present at Wano at all times, and yet she was practically dropped when we reached Wano. It's kinda jarring.
@Zar:
There's two reasons I can think of for her to be relegated to the background. The first is for Oda to focus more on Wano characters by setting her on the bench so to speak, the other is if her potential joining is meant as a surprise; then it could be justified as Oda taking off the spotlight. Since the idea came up that Yamato might join the Strawhats as a parallel to Oden, I've toyed with the idea that Carrot might end up the same but as a parallel to Inu and Neko. That is, she stows away on the ship and comes alongside Yamato as a surprise crewmate.
Somehow that does seem a little odd, even at Whole Cake with Big Mom's 85 children and many other characters, Jinbe still had a noticeable role in the form of saving Luffy and Nami's life and defying Big Mom in helping Luffy and the others escape, on top of it being set up of the idea of Jinbe joining Luffy at Fishman Island beforehand.
I mean, if you're going to have a character join and have it be exciting, my understanding was that you'd take every possible opportunity to build that up to be as exciting as possible, because I'm sure that Oda wouldn't want to have his manga be less interesting and exciting, for how much work he has put into it.
Oda has stated that the strawhats lack sleep because of the post. Therefore being able to stay awake will bring their energy down. I'm not the one saying this, Oda is.
Well I see what's going on now..
Often times, its very usual and especially the Carrot supporters, would come talking about Carrot supposedly being able to 1)staying awake for ridiculous periods of times, 2)getting less sleep than normal people. which is not a fact, and is not even close to being one, none of that has ever been stated, and we've never seen Carrot doing stuff like that, quite the opposite, time and time again, we witnessed Carrot getting tired and sleeping like normal people thrughout WCI.(And no, I'm not even talking about that one time she went to sleep because of Sulong).
We've already discussed this(a lot), so we all know this myth came from the Kingsbird position, which is stated that is able to operate in both reigns, which doesn't mean Wanda and Carrot must be awake at all times, and again, we've never seen this, they can simply be 6 hours with Ino, another 6 hours with Neko, and they still have 12 hours to rest.
WCI reinforces this by the fact that, uh, Carrot never done anything abnormal regarding the matter, nor she ever stated anything, and she kinda just slept like regular people do.
@Zar:
I don't find either of these arguments convincing; making sure every character gets some spotlight is Oda's worst habit and I doubt he's gonna break it for one character, and making someone a surprise member can be done with them still receiving a lot of panel time (like Robin).
Regardless I'm very curious why Oda reduced her appearances so drastically. She's a very popular character and has been present at Wano at all times, and yet she was practically dropped when we reached Wano. It's kinda jarring.
Yeah, after I saw how Oda treated Jimbe its been pretty obvious he wouldn't sideline or minimize to soon to be strawhat's focus to that degree. As I've said before all of them get a great deal of focus. Jimbe was drowned out byt the FI or WCI characters.
He wouldn't do it to a character for an entire arc like this.
As for why, it may be that the character has served most of their purpose.
i'm not a savior of any kind, I'm just a fighter. I saw negativity therefore I went to fight it. But.. I love the fact that people here are seeming so bamboozled by the fact that a single person would brave the reactance of a forum to persuade them that a character will have a certains treatment in the story.. that they would use so strong words..
Are you hearing yourself ??
I see the word "Troll".. I even saw the words "Carrot evangelist"..
Hey! What I'm doing is just giving you strong arguments with no way to reply to them. I'm just being really thorough with that, without toxicity and I don't let room for wrong argumentation. That's all !
People ? Have you been so focused on your bubble that you think the Yamato train is something so irreversible ?
But it's not guyz! Wake up ! From our perspective, a single panel destroy all this probability.
From our perspective nothing confirmed Yamato as a next strawhat, and each subtle hints for example the Luffy/Yamato conversation are in fact the
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When I say "wake up" I mean it. From the bottom of my subjective heart. You are hanging on a hype.. nothing more… if we were on the end of Whole cake right now, Yamato wouldn't stand a chance against Carrot for reasons I've already mentionned.
The only two things that Yamato has in front of Carrot are :
But when you look at the data, those are nothing but hanging threads... The first point would be ended by a single occurence of Carrot talking about Luffy and the second is no different that what Luffy does for each "Arc characters".
It's stunning how you seems to think that Yamato's shot is set in stone here.. when on the other side we have actual data you are ignoring:
I mean okay Yamato is cool and all and she is focus on right now, but nothing more that another Character arc like Kyros or Wyper. Wake up, I'm not a simple Carrot fan, I have actual data on my side don't ignore it just because it was the "previous arc"..
You should KNOW that Oda NEVER writes for nothing.
i'm not a savior of any kind, I'm just a fighter. I saw negativity therefore I went to fight it.
I fight injustice when I see it, I don’t walk away from a fight, I run towards it…. Who am I? A hero? Some may call me that, but to those who terrorize Fourms and try to give reasonable counter arguments, they will know me simply as CarrotForNakama
Sorry I couldn’t help myself
The thing that baffled me the most in these arguments is that someone claims that Carrot's design is "inspired".
Really? Are you really serious? When she's just a rabbit with blonde hair and a stereotypical name?
Like, if you read or watch some other series, there are many rabbit-like characters that are more "inspired" than Carrot. Like in Jump we have Mirko for example, now she is a cool and badass rabbit. Or any Viera from Final Fantasy. Or hell, why not play into the whole "killer rabbit" trope?
Instead Oda went for that… uhh, bland design. There I said it. Any arguments for Carrot is reasonable IMO, except about her design.
And you expect a bland designed character like her can carry the franchise, becoming its "face" for 10+ years?
The thing that baffled me the most in these arguments is that someone claims that Carrot's design is "inspired".
Really? Are you really serious? When she's just a rabbit with blonde hair and a stereotypical name?
Like, if you read or watch some other series, there are many rabbit-like characters that are more "inspired" than Carrot. Like in Jump we have Mirko for example, now she is a cool and badass rabbit. Or any Viera from Final Fantasy. Or hell, why not play into the whole "killer rabbit" trope?
Instead Oda went for that… uhh, bland design. There I said it. Any arguments for Carrot is reasonable IMO, except about her design.
And you expect a bland designed character like her can carry the franchise, becoming its "face" for 10+ years?
Or the rabbit girl from Star Wars Visions, who was awesome
@Zar:
For arguments sake I wanna tackle this one, though it will be through the lens of why she has less of a role in Wano.
There's two reasons I can think of for her to be relegated to the background. The first is for Oda to focus more on Wano characters by setting her on the bench so to speak, the other is if her potential joining is meant as a surprise; then it could be justified as Oda taking off the spotlight. Since the idea came up that Yamato might join the Strawhats as a parallel to Oden, I've toyed with the idea that Carrot might end up the same but as a parallel to Inu and Neko. That is, she stows away on the ship and comes alongside Yamato as a surprise crewmate.
I don't find either of these arguments convincing; making sure every character gets some spotlight is Oda's worst habit and I doubt he's gonna break it for one character, and making someone a surprise member can be done with them still receiving a lot of panel time (like Robin).
Regardless I'm very curious why Oda reduced her appearances so drastically. She's a very popular character and has been present at Wano at all times, and yet she was practically dropped when we reached Wano. It's kinda jarring.
Surprisingly, Robin joined on chapter 217 and the title is “Stowaway”. So I don’t think that we’ll need another type of stowaway to be finally accepted to the crew.
I can see that CarrotForNakama has been banned but I would just like to address a few things to clarify matters in case such an avenue is traversed on in the future.
Nothing has "confirmed" Yamato to be the next Straw Hat Pirate, that is why discussion and presentation of arguments takes place. If confirmation was available, would discussion even be needed? Nothing can be taken with certainty as the readers aren't the ones writing the story. We can deduce what might happen based on elements and Oda's writing style but at best what we are arguing are possibilities.
Based on how Oda has presented Yamato and handled him, there is genuine reason to believe he may be the next Straw Hat Pirate. And I ask, what is wrong with such a belief? Should we not believe that Yamato is the next Straw Hat Pirate with a bit of likelihood? Disappointment on such a path is not the only destination available. I have presented many arguments for why I hold such a belief. Alongside elements supporting Yamato, I have also argued holes that might be filled later on in the story (Stonemason, Octopus, Oni, Fish-Man Island, Joy Boy). I am open to being wrong but when one tries to misconstrue passion for Yamato being something…problematic, it certainly rubs me the wrong way. Even if one is wrong in their perspective of elements, there is meaning in the individual holding such a view. It helps us in not only our digestion of the story but also in regards to how we approach life. I find Yamato to be an inspiring character and the journey he is going on I feel is a very motivational one.
I have read some of CarrotForNakama's Twitter post and they are interesting but certain points don't hold up at this point in the story. Yamato's story has evolved from his introduction to where he presented himself as Oden and used that stance to push the reality that Luffy should give him a ride on his ship to one where Yamato has come to a more balanced incorporation of his admiration of Oden. By the end of the arc, it will possibly be Yamato as Yamato (inspired by Oden) who ask Luffy about joining his crew. Luffy will then proceed to give his response.
As for
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A good reader of One Piece will know that all the mugiwara will follow Luffy because of HIM FIRST. That why here, The story hints us that Yamato is kinda lying to himself.
Oda has been presenting Yamato has following Luffy because of him first as of late.
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Yamato has very much aligned his intentions and actions to support Luffy. Yamato's actions of handling the explosives in Onigashima will also support Luffy going forward. Things may change of course and when that moment arrives, further discussion can arise.
It is okay to disagree with different interpretations of events but can those that do please respect that others have an opinion that may be different from yours and it is okay to let things exist. There is no need to talk down to those who also hold passion for One Piece. Insulting ones opinion and perspective of events is not something I can agree with and it is also not something fun to read. If you want to champion an environment filled with less toxicity, please consider treating others with a bit more empathy. I know the carrot and stick method exist but I would prefer a treatment more akin to Carrot than Perospero.
Note: I wrote the majority of this post before noticing the ban on CarrotForNakama. I should have removed part of the post but I felt it would be a waste so I tried to present the content in more general context.
I can see that CarrotForNakama has been banned but I would just like to address a few things to clarify matters in case such an avenue is traversed on in the future.
Nothing has "confirmed" Yamato to be the next Straw Hat Pirate, that is why discussion and presentation of arguments takes place. If confirmation was available, would discussion even be needed? Nothing can be taken with certainty as the readers aren't the ones writing the story. We can deduce what might happen based on elements and Oda's writing style but at best what we are arguing are possibilities.
Based on how Oda has presented Yamato and handled him, there is genuine reason to believe he may be the next Straw Hat Pirate. And I ask, what is wrong with such a belief? Should we not believe that Yamato is the next Straw Hat Pirate with a bit of likelihood? Disappointment on such a path is not the only destination available. I have presented many arguments for why I hold such a belief. Alongside elements supporting Yamato, I have also argued holes that might be filled later on in the story (Stonemason, Octopus, Oni, Fish-Man Island, Joy Boy). I am open to being wrong but when one tries to misconstrue passion for Yamato being something…problematic, it certainly rubs me the wrong way. Even if one is wrong in their perspective of elements, there is meaning in the individual holding such a view. It helps us in not only our digestion of the story but also in regards to how we approach life. I find Yamato to be an inspiring character and the journey he is going on I feel is a very motivational one.
I have read some of CarrotForNakama's Twitter post and they are interesting but certain points don't hold up at this point in the story. Yamato's story has evolved from his introduction to where he presented himself as Oden and used that stance to push the reality that Luffy should give him a ride on his ship to one where Yamato has come to a more balanced incorporation of his admiration of Oden. By the end of the arc, it will possibly be Yamato as Yamato (inspired by Oden) who ask Luffy about joining his crew. Luffy will then proceed to give his response.
As for
:Oda has been presenting Yamato has following Luffy because of him first as of late.
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Yamato has very much aligned his intentions and actions to support Luffy. Yamato's actions of handling the explosives in Onigashima will also support Luffy going forward. Things may change of course and when that moment arrives, further discussion can arise.It is okay to disagree with different interpretations of events but can those that do please respect that others have an opinion that may be different from yours and it is okay to let things exist. There is no need to talk down to those who also hold passion for One Piece. Insulting ones opinion and perspective of events is not something I can agree with and it is also not something fun to read. If you want to champion an environment filled with less toxicity, please consider treating others with a bit more empathy. I know the carrot and stick method exist but I would prefer a treatment more akin to Carrot than Perospero.
Note: I wrote the majority of this post before noticing the ban on CarrotForNakama. I should have removed part of the post but I felt it would be a waste so I tried to present the content in more general context.
Yeah, assuming Yamato will go to sea with Luffy after Wano, any reason she'd go with him would most likely be because of Oden and what Oden explained, which may or may not have something to do with Joy Boy's return and the New Dawn, which Oden presumably wrote about after visiting Laugh Tale.
Why was CarrotForNakama banned? I wasn’t really reading all his responses but from what I saw it seemed he genuinely believed his arguments, I didn’t think he was trolling, even if I disagree with his opinion
Wow didn't last anywhere as nearly as long as AGOG. Failed mutineer indeed.
Why was CarrotForNakama banned?
They made it pretty clear from their very first post and choice of username they were less here to debate, and more here to harass others that had any sort of differing opinion. They were flagged by the staff as a person to watch from the very first post.
They then stated repeatedly and explicitly they were here to bash on Yamato supporters. Not to try and convince anyone of their points about Carrot, ("there's no point in that") but just to insult and degrade others.
This thread gets plenty fired up as is with folks thinking "I don't get what the other side sees in this character", and bad faith arguments, and we've been through literally every single point they brought up dozens of times before, and certainly seen both sides insulting the other more than once out of exasperation. There's absolutely been toxicity on both sides here and there. But this was an explicit self-proclaimed "crusade" to insult and harass with no other aim in mind, an account created JUST for that.
We've had to start taking a similar stance with some of the more adamant Yamato gender crusaders. (Forum policy is that until Oda fully clarifies what the final result of the "I am Oden" thing is, call him whatever you think appropriate, just don't harass others about it. Some folks just can't stick to that.) There's been a few bans on that end as well, both for AND against Yamato's current gender declaration, but they tend to be more in the spoiler threads and less in this one.
This brings up a good point.
Luffy needs a lookout for warmongers and transphobes.
Why was CarrotForNakama banned? I wasn’t really reading all his responses but from what I saw it seemed he genuinely believed his arguments, I didn’t think he was trolling, even if I disagree with his opinion
Isn’t that obvious? He is the one who continuously brings toxicity into this thread with his extreme “I AM RIGHT, YOU ARE WRONG” mindset.
Thank God he was banned. Now we can discuss peacefully like before.
Ironically, I don’t seem to see any potential candidates for the Straw Hats as of now, besides Yamato of course - -
Despite meeting Luffy only 75 chapters into Wano, it seems that what Yamato has been doing has made up for not appearing earlier, even 120 chapters into the arc.
Despite meeting Luffy only 75 chapters into Wano, it seems that what Yamato has been doing has made up for not appearing earlier, even 120 chapters into the arc.
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This is the second time you've posted the same thing here and in the Yamato thread; please try to pick where what you have to say is most relevant.
You know. I hope he is right and Carrot will join that I don't have to read
No M3 anymore. This time for real. Robin, Franky, Jinbe were all a fluke and Oda planned Yamato from the start.
She is ODEN after all. Fuck that she can't read shit
Never understood what people meant when it's said that the monster trio is in danger of disappearing whenever the thought of a heavy-hitter joining the crew enters, as if Luffy will stop being friends with Zoro and Sanji if it happened. lol
Nothing has "confirmed" Yamato to be the next Straw Hat Pirate, that is why discussion and presentation of arguments takes place. If confirmation was available, would discussion even be needed? Nothing can be taken with certainty as the readers aren't the ones writing the story. We can deduce what might happen based on elements and Oda's writing style but at best what we are arguing are possibilities.
Also as said before this insistence is based on actual info. It's about Oda telling us he wants to be finished soon over and over which leads to Wano seeming like the last place really where someone could join (Vivi being the exception) and the rest of the story would still have barely the time to breath to accommodate for proper chemistry moments for our final crew. Now if Oda says fuck it. We going for another 15 years. Sure we could get the Carrot arc after Wano but for now I won't entertain Oda straight up lying to us in the story and outside.
Point is I think for anyone reasonable the time we have left with the series is a crucial part in how most of us imagine things will go down the line even beyond anyone joining.
Like clearly most of us I'd assume have given up on there being another more chilled back arc ala skypea and if we're going to Elbaf we're expecting Oda to bundle a BUNCH of huge stuff there.
i think its pretty funny that the mad bunny fella declared how he has been "working on Carrot" for the past four years, when it's Oda who's been working on the furrybait and even he clearly doesn't care anymore.
edit: the post was removed, so just trust me on this.
i think its pretty funny that the mad bunny fella declared how he has been "working on Carrot" for the past four years, when it's Oda who's been working on the furrybait and even he clearly doesn't care anymore.
Yep, funny joke they posted so I'd like to them for that, but I suppose I should move on then. Anyway.
@Devil:
Archaeologist is also considered not an official role in a ship. That’s why Oda makes Robin really special, that she’s the only one of a kind to be presented in the crew; even in the whole One Piece. If someone’s role is considered as a secondary role, at least that someone could compensate with their power. And it also happens vice versa, with the weak trio. Weak trio don’t give too much on the power outputs, but their roles are extremely important inside the crew.
Yeah, archaeologist isn't usually associated with pirates, so one would probably have to think outside of the box a little more. So far, Yamato has only really demonstrated fighting capability, so any role would likely fall into that.
Yamato can be the crew's Guardian Deity
Yeah, archaeologist isn't usually associated with pirates, so one would probably have to think outside of the box a little more. So far, Yamato has only really demonstrated fighting capability, so any role would likely fall into that.
For now, one of the possible roles I can think about for Yamato is as the Explorer. Nobody has seen Yamato’s DF but Kaido (and Momo probably), and with current chapter 1028, it makes it clear that almost no one even knows that Yamato is a DF eater. That also explains why Oda intentionally made her reverted back to human form before Luffy came, made Yamato’s supposedly transformation when she was about to face Sasaki only to be interrupted, then she goes full beast form as Law’s crew commented “what a huge wolf!” without knowing that it is Yamato. Also with the fact that Yamato has been locked up for 20 years, and her that DF is also a wolf which is known with great sense of smelling, makes Explorer is one of the most possible roles for her. Power wise, she can protect herself if she ever encounter any enemy. And in Japanese, Explorer is known as “ 冒険者” (Bōkensha). That’s my suggestion anyway, feel free if anybody has any other idea.
I still really like the role of chronicler for Yamato. It's a bit odd if the last member took that role, but at the same time having someone chronicle their adventure to find One Piece would be very atmospheric. Whatever they find is gonna change the world so it's gonna be important there's a record of what happened. I can totally see Yamato sailing around after their journey and telling the story of the Strawhats and whatever the dawn is to people around the world.
In a way it makes him a pair with Robin; one reads the ancient history while the other records the new history.
@Zar:
I still really like the role of chronicler for Yamato. It's a bit odd if the last member took that role, but at the same time having someone chronicle their adventure to find One Piece would be very atmospheric. Whatever they find is gonna change the world so it's gonna be important there's a record of what happened. I can totally see Yamato sailing around after their journey and telling the story of the Strawhats and whatever the dawn is to people around the world.
In a way it makes him a pair with Robin; one reads the ancient history while the other records the new history.
I just don’t think Yamato has shown enough interest and time taken in actually creating and writing down in log books beyond just reading one by Oden. In addition to Ace seeing Yamato as captain material, Kaidou also did mention her value as a soldier, someone that not only acts on the offensive, but also defensive, such as defending their country, which I’m sure can fall in line with this idea I’ve had for awhile in her taking on a sort of guard/protector sort of role.
@Zar:
I still really like the role of chronicler for Yamato. It's a bit odd if the last member took that role, but at the same time having someone chronicle their adventure to find One Piece would be very atmospheric. Whatever they find is gonna change the world so it's gonna be important there's a record of what happened. I can totally see Yamato sailing around after their journey and telling the story of the Strawhats and whatever the dawn is to people around the world.
In a way it makes him a pair with Robin; one reads the ancient history while the other records the new history.
What if the whole One Piece story we're reading has been written/narrated by Yamato as a testament for future generations? boom, mind blown
Just kidding, I agree that Yams hasn't really shown to be that much interested into writing at least until now…
I just don’t think Yamato has shown enough interest and time taken in actually creating and writing down in log books beyond just reading one by Oden. In addition to Ace seeing Yamato as captain material, Kaidou also did mention her value as a soldier, someone that not only acts on the offensive, but also defensive, such as defending their country, which I’m sure can fall in line with this idea I’ve had for awhile in her taking on a sort of guard/protector sort of role.
What if the whole One Piece story we're reading has been written/narrated by Yamato as a testament for future generations? boom, mind blown
Just kidding, I agree that Yams hasn't really shown to be that much interested into writing at least until now…
I can see it being a profession he starts once he joins. "Alright, I'm at sea! Now what do I do? Well Oden made a journal and it meant so much to me, so I wanna do the same!".
Then the strawhats look at his book and the writing is terrible.
This is for fun purpose only, these are my suggestions of miscellaneous things when Yamato officially joins:
Epithet: Ogre Princess (鬼姫; Onihime)
Animal resemblance: wolf
Specific number: 11
Specific color: Persimmon (柿色)
Specific smell: smells like wild animal
Favorite type of island and season: Spring on Autumn Island
Favorite food: Oden; raw salmon eaten by biting into it
As a family: aunt (makes Jinbe the uncle, and Franky back to be the father)
Nationality: Thai
Inner Brain: Oden, Oden, adventure, passion, fire
Suited flower: Poppy
Blood type: F
Bathing: once every 3 days
Suited prefecture: Shimane (this is because of Yamato Takeru reference who comes from Shimane)
Sea of origin: currently unknown
Least favorite food: Nuts (hard to chew)
Typical hours of sleep: 10 PM ~ 6 AM (8 hours)
Suited career: a Shinto priestess
Cooking specialties: Ramen
Ice crunching: no
In a race: 4 (Beast form)
Fried egg preference: over-easy, steamed, with teriyaki sauce
The guardian deity of Wano works in any way you want. We are repeatedly told that Wano needs their borders open and that this is crucial to Joy Boy's return. Having the guardian deity of that country with the future pirate king works with those objectives.
Having their guardian start protecting someone else can also work to tell the people of Wano: "this person is important, we should support them".
The fact is, without the DF, Yamato has less of a connection to Wano. They wouldn't be able to represent a Wano affiliation connected to Joy Boy's plan and all that jazz.
@K.:
The guardian deity of Wano works in any way you want. We are repeatedly told that Wano needs their borders open and that this is crucial to Joy Boy's return. Having the guardian deity of that country with the future pirate king works with those objectives.
Having their guardian start protecting someone else can also work to tell the people of Wano: "this person is important, we should support them".
The fact is, without the DF, Yamato has less of a connection to Wano. They wouldn't be able to represent a Wano affiliation connected to Joy Boy's plan and all that jazz.
Especially if WG truly wants to take over Wano. Yamato can fulfill the role of Wano’s guardian deity by joining Luffy, and defeat WG to its core so Wano can truly be liberated and open its borders.
Honestly, I'm banking on Yamato joining, but I don't think her fruit is all that synergistic with the crew. It could obviously be an ignorance of the "Big Picture," but it doesn't feel functionally unique like every other fruit and ability on the crew.
Honestly, I'm banking on Yamato joining, but I don't think her fruit is all that synergistic with the crew. It could obviously be an ignorance of the "Big Picture," but it doesn't feel functionally unique like every other fruit and ability on the crew.
What synergy would you even say there is with the current selection of DF's? They don't really complement each other, we haven't seen them play off of each other, there's plenty of overlap (Brook and Robin are both good for eavesdropping/intel gathering, Luffy/Chopper/Robin can all change/create larger limbs, etc.), there's no balance in the types (3 Paramecia and 1 Zoan).
Depending on how Oda utilizes the ice-powers Yamato possesses through his Devil Fruit, it may just open up a new avenue for ways to fight during sea battles that the Straw Hat Pirates will face going forward. With the inclusion of the Super Helmsman, sea battles may become a thing going forward. Rather than melee-oriented fighters like Luffy, Zoro, Sanji and Chopper having to find footing to engage their attacks, Yamato could freeze sections of the ocean to allow those members more freedom in how they approach their opponent (ship/cannon balls/sea monsters/etc). Yamato may even be able to apply freeze around ships that pursue the Straw Hat Pirates in order to ensnare/immobilize them.
Also Jinbe drenching the opponent with water and Yamato freezing them could be a strategy these two could use.
Oda has yet to fully display the potential of the Inu Inu no Mi, Model: Okuchi no Makami so at this point it is unclear how exactly it will function at sea but I suspect since the Devil Fruit is a Mythical Zoan variant, it will allow the user significant application of the element under its control. Also a big wolf running across water as it freezes it would be a sight to see. (Lookout on an enemy ship - "Captain, there is a Giant Wolf approaching us! It is running on top of the ocean!").
Now that the Marine ships are in the surrounding ocean of Wano Kuni, it will be fascinating to see if Oda chooses to highlight Yamato's abilities during the upcoming conflict.
Depending on how Oda utilizes the ice-powers Yamato possesses through his Devil Fruit, it may just open up a new avenue for ways to fight during sea battles that the Straw Hat Pirates will face going forward. With the inclusion of the Super Helmsman, sea battles may become a thing going forward. Rather than melee-oriented fighters like Luffy, Zoro, Sanji and Chopper having to find footing to engage their attacks, Yamato could freeze sections of the ocean to allow those members more freedom in how they approach their opponent (ship/cannon balls/sea monsters/etc). Yamato may even be able to apply freeze around ships that pursue the Straw Hat Pirates in order to ensnare/immobilize them.
Also Jinbe drenching the opponent with water and Yamato freezing them could be a strategy these two could use.
Oda has yet to fully display the potential of the Inu Inu no Mi, Model: Okuchi no Makami so at this point it is unclear how exactly it will function at sea but I suspect since the Devil Fruit is a Mythical Zoan variant, it will allow the user significant application of the element under its control. Also a big wolf running across water as it freezes it would be a sight to see. (Lookout on an enemy ship - "Captain, there is a Giant Wolf approaching us! It is running on top of the ocean!").
Now that the Marine ships are in the surrounding ocean of Wano Kuni, it will be fascinating to see if Oda chooses to highlight Yamato's abilities during the upcoming conflict.
Mirror Mountain as a defensive move also fits thematically with the fruit as a guardian. I imagine it would be possible for Yamato to either use the ability to protect someone else, our put themselves in the line of fire and use it for defense. Given the presence of explosives, CP0, and many weakened allies (Robin, Tama, etc.), I'd say there's a reasonable chance we could see Yamato putting the DF to use as a protector.
What synergy would you even say there is with the current selection of DF's? They don't really complement each other, we haven't seen them play off of each other, there's plenty of overlap (Brook and Robin are both good for eavesdropping/intel gathering, Luffy/Chopper/Robin can all change/create larger limbs, etc.), there's no balance in the types (3 Paramecia and 1 Zoan).
The synergy is with their role on the crew. Brook's fruit plays into his role as a musician and brought him back to life as a skeleton.. or a monster. For Chopper, his role is a Doctor and his human-human fruit allows him to heal people while also retaining his initial role as a monster. Robin's fruit mostly enhances her abilities in espionage and discovery. She's also another monster child and used those abilities to aid in her studies. Luffy's devil fruit has always been about how he's always able to bounce back from defeat and hardship and retain what makes him LUFFY. He's the rubber-static character that binds the crew together.
edit: I could be wrong about Yamato and I see the idea of Guardian Spirit, but in practice the fruit is no different than Dalton's.
The synergy is with their role on the crew. Brook's fruit plays into his role as a musician and brought him back to life as a skeleton.. or a monster. For Chopper, his role is a Doctor and his human-human fruit allows him to heal people while also retaining his initial role as a monster. Robin's fruit mostly enhances her abilities in espionage and discovery. She's also another monster child and used those abilities to aid in her studies. Luffy's devil fruit has always been about how he's always able to bounce back from defeat and hardship and retain what makes him LUFFY. He's the rubber-static character that binds the crew together.
edit: I could be wrong about Yamato and I see the idea of Guardian Spirit, but in practice the fruit is no different than Dalton's.
The things you list aren't really synergy with the role on the crew, they're more like… coherence of character and power. Luffy is rubber and always bounces back, but his role on the crew isn't guy-who-always-bounces-back. Robin was a spy and her power is good for spying, but her role is historian and Poneglyph reader, which are totally separate from her fruit. Chopper is a monster, but his doctor abilities come from his mind, not his devil fruit. Brook doesn't actually use his devil fruit to play music, and he doesn't play play soul music, the Soul King thing is just a pun at the end of the day.
If I were to give an example of how Yamato's fruit fits with the example you gave, I would say that the Okuchi no Makami being a guardian deity matches Yamato's character of fighting to protect people. Yamato protected Luffy from Ulti, Momonosuke and Shinobu from Sasaki and the Beast Pirates, the Alliance from Kaido, and Momonosuke from Kaido. In particular, Yamato didn't fight any of these battles with the intention of winning, but with the intention of saving those in danger. I have questions about what it actually means for a fruit to be a guardian deity, though, so I'll also give a practical response. The fruit has been shown to have offensive and defensive ice production abilities; the defensive ability protected Yamato from (what appears to be) Kaido's most powerful attack, and I expect we'll see these ice abilities being put to good use soon.
very optimistic about hoping oda makes the strawhats do combo attacks. I've given up given how I got jebaited by that dream this arc like 4-5 times. Of course bit of a pessimist here but it's been like since Oars, when we had a semblance of that style of action from Oda.
I think Yamato will use his ice powers to freeze the bombs and stop Onigashima from exploding. Maybe they can be used to stop Orochi's fire
Depending on how Oda utilizes the ice-powers Yamato possesses through his Devil Fruit, it may just open up a new avenue for ways to fight during sea battles that the Straw Hat Pirates will face going forward. With the inclusion of the Super Helmsman, sea battles may become a thing going forward. Rather than melee-oriented fighters like Luffy, Zoro, Sanji and Chopper having to find footing to engage their attacks, Yamato could freeze sections of the ocean to allow those members more freedom in how they approach their opponent (ship/cannon balls/sea monsters/etc). Yamato may even be able to apply freeze around ships that pursue the Straw Hat Pirates in order to ensnare/immobilize them.
Also Jinbe drenching the opponent with water and Yamato freezing them could be a strategy these two could use.
Oda has yet to fully display the potential of the Inu Inu no Mi, Model: Okuchi no Makami so at this point it is unclear how exactly it will function at sea but I suspect since the Devil Fruit is a Mythical Zoan variant, it will allow the user significant application of the element under its control. Also a big wolf running across water as it freezes it would be a sight to see. (Lookout on an enemy ship - "Captain, there is a Giant Wolf approaching us! It is running on top of the ocean!").
Now that the Marine ships are in the surrounding ocean of Wano Kuni, it will be fascinating to see if Oda chooses to highlight Yamato's abilities during the upcoming conflict.
I would love to see Yamato be able to replicate the "Kuzan-cycle" maneuver - either a big winter wolf running across the surface of the ocean, or possibly skating/skiing across in hybrid form.
It does conflict a bit with his stated frustration at how eating his Devil Fruit robbed him of his ability to simply swim away from Onigashima, but as he was also still trapped on the island via explody-cuffs, it's possible he's never actually tried, so fingers crossed.
The things you list aren't really synergy with the role on the crew, they're more like… coherence of character and power. Luffy is rubber and always bounces back, but his role on the crew isn't guy-who-always-bounces-back. Robin was a spy and her power is good for spying, but her role is historian and Poneglyph reader, which are totally separate from her fruit. Chopper is a monster, but his doctor abilities come from his mind, not his devil fruit. Brook doesn't actually use his devil fruit to play music, and he doesn't play play soul music, the Soul King thing is just a pun at the end of the day.
Robin only gained the knowledge of the void century and poneglyph's through the use of her fruit. Her espionage and spy work is directly correlated with her work as an archeologist. Chopper's mind comes from his devil fruit. He would just be a deer without it. Brook's soul powers have veered well beyond just a pun; it was the straw hat's lifeline against Big Mom for instance and also facilitated his ability to get a poneglyph rub. As for Luffy, his role as a rubber man, both physically and metaphorically, is precisely why he's the captain. It was showcased best in his fight with Katakuri. It's kind of anime tropey, but it's true, he doesn't give up, especially not on his crewmates.
! If I were to give an example of how Yamato's fruit fits with the example you gave, I would say that the Okuchi no Makami being a guardian deity matches Yamato's character of fighting to protect people. Yamato protected Luffy from Ulti, Momonosuke and Shinobu from Sasaki and the Beast Pirates, the Alliance from Kaido, and Momonosuke from Kaido. In particular, Yamato didn't fight any of these battles with the intention of winning, but with the intention of saving those in danger. I have questions about what it actually means for a fruit to be a guardian deity, though, so I'll also give a practical response. The fruit has been shown to have offensive and defensive ice production abilities; the defensive ability protected Yamato from (what appears to be) Kaido's most powerful attack, and I expect we'll see these ice abilities being put to good use soon.
! I agree that it matches Yamato's character, but it's not particularly inspired in other ways. We already have ice abilities, for one, through Brook. We also already have a furry mount with horns. Those are superficial things, but I struggle to see what makes the fruit as unique as the others that would allow for a really unique role in the crew. I think Oda's original intention with Brook was not to have the soul powers, but the powers made him more versatile in serving the crew musically (by playing music that moved the souls of Big Mom's minions) and through being able to escape his body. Chopper's fruit is the linchpin of who he is as it gave him the brain to become a doctor and the body to be a monster. Similarly, Robin's fruit gave her the means to acquire the knowledge that makes her a demon monster as well as the form.
'Everyone's location table'
Thanks for putting that table together. Just a couple of updates from me:
- If Cariou is a ? so should Shinbu as she could've also rode in on Momo like the other Heart Pirates must've done
Shinobu was shown to watch Momo and Luffy depart for Onigashima
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Now that I look at those panels again, the black blobs near Momo's tail could easily be the Heart Pirates, one big blob for Jean Bart and the smaller blobs for the rest
Conversation is like a dance, you want both sides working together. Only then will the rhythm of its contrast accentuate its appeal. Too much conflict and resistance only serve to throw the balance and enjoyment off. It is okay to argue a point but please acknowledge that when it comes to events yet to be told or roles to be filled or character stories yet to tell or actions to be taken what we are at best arguing are possibilities. The story at this point could very well progress with the crew as it is. Until further context is provided, certainty is but an illusion. Present your case but respect that perspective also plays a part in the interpretation of events that have yet to be closed with a conclusion. One should be careful when telling someone what they should do, it conjures the precursor of vexation. Arguing a point does not mean you should treat the audience as your enemy. We are all fans of this beloved series.
Anyway the current atmosphere clearly requires a bit of a tangent. Here's some information on the Wano Kuni character statuses as at chapter 1028.
| | Status | Last Known Location | Floor |
| Straw Hat Pirates | | | |
| Luffy | Active | Onigashima - roof | Rooftop |
| Zoro | Active | Onigashima - outer | Outside |
| Nami | Active | Onigashima - inner | Floor 2 |
| Usopp | Active | Onigashima - inner | Floor 2 |
| Sanji | Active | Onigashima - inner | Performance Floor |
| Chopper | Active | Onigashima - inner | Performance Floor |
| Robin | Active | Onigashima - inner | Floor 3 |
| Franky | Active | Onigashima - inner | Right Brain Tower |
| Brook | Active | Onigashima - inner | Floor 3 |
| Jinbe | Active | Onigashima - inner | Floor 4 |
| | | | |
| Other | | | |
| Yamato | Active | Onigashima - outer | On route to entrance |
| Tama | Active | Onigashima - inner | Floor 2 |
| Speed | Active | Onigashima - inner | Floor 2 |
| Caribou | Active | Udon - Tokage Port? | |
| | | | |
| Heart Pirates | | | |
| Law | Active | Onigashima - inner | Floor 2 |
| Bepo | Active | Onigashima - inner | Performance Floor? |
| Shachi | Active | Onigashima - inner | Performance Floor? |
| Penguin | Active | Onigashima - inner | Performance Floor? |
| Jean Bart | Active | Onigashima - outer | On route to entrance |
| Clione | Active | Onigashima - outer | On route to entrance |
| Ikkaku | Active | Onigashima - outer | On route to entrance |
| Uni | Active | Onigashima - outer | On route to entrance |
| Others | Active | Onigashima - outer | On route to entrance |
| | | | |
| Kid Pirates | | | |
| Kid | Active | Onigashima - inner | Floor 2 |
| Killer | Active | Onigashima - inner | Floor 3 |
| Heat | Active | Onigashima - inner | Floor 4 |
| Wire | Active | Onigashima - inner | Floor 4 |
| | | | |
| Whitebeard Pirates | | | |
| Marco | Active | Onigashima - inner | Performance Floor |
| Izo | Active | Onigashima - inner | Performance Floor |
| | | | |
| SWORD | | | |
| X Drake | Active | Onigashima - inner | Performance Floor? |
| | | | |
| Beast Pirates | | | |
| Kaido | Active | Onigashima - roof | Rooftop |
| King | Active | Onigashima - outer | Outside |
| Queen | Active | Onigashima - inner | Performance Floor |
| Jack | Defeated | Onigashima - inner | Floor 2 - Treasure Repository |
| Page One | Defeated | Onigashima - inner | Floor 2 |
| Ulti | Defeated | Onigashima - inner | Floor 2 |
| Who's Who | Defeated | Onigashima - inner | Floor 4 |
| Black Maria | Defeated | Onigashima - inner | Floor 3 - Banquet Hall |
| Sasaki | Defeated | Onigashima - inner | Right Brain Tower |
| Bao Huang | Defeated | Onigashima - inner | Floor 2 |
| Headliners | Active | Onigashima - inner | |
| Gifters | Active | Onigashima - inner | |
| Pleasures | Active | Onigashima - inner | |
| Waiters | Active | Onigashima - inner | |
| Numbers | | | |
| #1 | Active | Onigashima | Basement? |
| #2 | Active | Onigashima | Basement? |
| #3 | Active | Onigashima | Basement? |
| Jaki | Defeated | Onigashima - inner | Dropped by Hatcha on route to Right Brain Tower |
| Goki | Defeated | Onigashima - inner | Performance Floor |
| #6 | Active | Onigashima | Basement? |
| Nangi | Defeated | Onigashima - inner | Rooftop |
| Hatcha | Defeated | Onigashima - inner | Right Brain Tower, Center Hallway |
| Kunyun | Defeated | Onigashima - inner | Floor 3 - Banquet Hall |
| Juki | Defeated | Onigashima - inner | Performance Floor |
| | | | |
| Big Mom Pirates | | | |
| Linlin | Active | Onigashima - inner | Floor 2 |
| Perospero | Defeated | Onigashima - outer | Front Entrance |
| | | | |
| Cipher Pol Aigis Zero | | | |
| Agent #1 | Active | Onigashima - inner | Guest Parlor (Floor 2?) |
| Agent #2 | Active | Onigashima - inner | Guest Parlor (Floor 2?) |
| Agent #3 | Active | Onigashima - inner | Guest Parlor (Floor 2?) |
| | | | |
| Hawkins Pirates | | | |
| Hawkins | Active | Onigashima - inner | Floor 3 |
| | | | |
| On Air Pirates | | | |
| Scratchmen Apoo | Active | Onigashima - inner | Performance Floor? |
| | | | |
| Kozuki Family | | | |
| Momonosuke | Active | Onigashima - outer | Under Onigashima |
| Hiyori | Active | Onigashima - inner | ?? |
| | | | |
| Akazaya Samurai | | | |
| Kin'emon | Defeated | Onigashima - inner | Floor 1 - Crawl Space |
| Denjiro | Active | Onigashima - inner | ?? |
| Kikunojo | Defeated | Onigashima - inner | Floor 1 - Crawl Space |
| Raizo | Active | Onigashima - inner | Floor 3 |
| Ashura Doji | Defeated | Onigashima - inner | Floor 2 - Treasure Repository |
| Kawamatsu | Active | Onigashima - inner | Performance Floor |
| Shinobu | Active | Udon - Tokage Port | |
| | | | |
| Mink | | | |
| Inuarashi | Active | Onigashima - inner | Floor 2 - Treasure Repository |
| Nekomamushi | Active | Onigashima - outer | Front Entrance |
| Wanda | Active | Onigashima - outer | Front Entrance |
| Carrot | Active | Onigashima - outer | Front Entrance |
| Shishilian | Active | Onigashima - inner | |
| Concelot | Active | Onigashima - inner | |
| Giovanni | Active | Onigashima - inner | |
| Roddy | Active | Onigashima - inner | |
| Blackback | Active | Onigashima - inner | |
| Tristan | Active | Onigashima - inner | Performance Floor |
| Miyagi | Active | Onigashima - inner | Performance Floor |
| Other | Active | ?? | |
| | | | |
| Shimotsuki Family | | | |
| Toko | Active | Flower Capital | |
| Onimaru | Active | ?? | |
| | | | |
| Yakuza | | | |
| Hyogoro | Active | Onigashima - inner | Performance Floor |
| Omasa | Active | Onigashima - inner | Performance Floor |
| Tsunagoro | Active | Onigashima - inner | Performance Floor |
| Cho | Active | Onigashima - inner | Performance Floor |
| Yatappe | Active | Onigashima - inner | Performance Floor |
| | | | |
| Kyoshiro Family | Active | Onigashima - inner | |
| | | | |
| Kurozumi Family | | | |
| Orochi | Active | Onigashima - inner | Floor 2 - Treasure Repository |
| Kanjuro | Defeated | Onigashima - inner | Floor 1 - Crawl Space |
| | | | |
| Orochi Oniwabanshu | | | |
| Fukurokuju | Active | Onigashima - inner | Floor 3 |
| Daikoku | Defeated | Onigashima - inner | Performance Floor |
| Kazekage | Defeated | Onigashima - inner | Performance Floor |
| Fujin | Defeated | Forest outside Flower Capital | |
| Raijin | ?? | ?? | |
| Hanzo | ?? | Onigashima - inner | Performance Floor |
| Chome | ?? | Onigashima - inner | Performance Floor |
| Jogoku Benten | ?? | Onigashima - inner | Performance Floor |
| Bishamon | ?? | Onigashima - inner | Performance Floor |
| Yazaemon | ?? | Onigashima | |
| Sarutobi | ?? | Onigashima | |
| | | | |
| Mimawarigumi | Defeated | Onigashima - inner | Performance Floor |
| | | | |
| Kuri Citizens | | | |
| Hitetsu | Active | Flower Capital | |
| Tsurujo | ?? | Okobore Town | |
| | | | |Feel free to help correct me if I am wrong with any.
With some of the Numbers yet to make an appearance, I wonder if they are currently located in the basement levels. Would also be interesting to see if Usopp takes on the task of handling them. CP-0 now being activated also creates a urgency around Robin. But thankfully Brook is acting as her vanguard and Jinbe is currently making his way down to Floor 3 on Brook's earlier request.
Ah, the basement is near the entrance?