@Devil:
Yamato was about to leave Onigashima with Ace, then Ace was killed because of Akainu and Teach. Yamato surely has the reason to have a grudge on Akainu & Teach.
Not as much as Jinbe who was personnaly attacked by him.
@Devil:
More firepower is indeed needed. Are you expecting Straw Hats to fight Akainu / Teach, where both are Logia power users, with once in a month power up plus the fact that she doesn’t have haki? Not to mention that Carrot was clearly exhausted after her power reveal. Straw Hats need a strong capable woman fighter who can be counted on and doesn’t rely on an occasional power up.
No it's not needed. What they need is just to get stronger, and that what they are doing right now, besides that, we cool. The Strawhats are the ones who managed to take over Enies Lobby, I trust them.
Carrot has a clear curve of progression ahead of her, and one thing that make her and Yamato so different. Carrot is strong enough, they don't need someone who can clash with a yonko.
@Devil:
Carrot is a look-out based 2-3 panels of her using binoculars and you can say that’s a fact? Carrot does it because Robin & Usopp are not there. When they were about to raid Onigashima, Usopp is there and he’s the one who becomes the look-out. If Carrot is a look-out; a mystical one like you said that it’s a fact, why Oda doesn’t show Carrot, the mystical one, does it but Usopp instead? Are you sure you’re reading the right One Piece?
What is your universe ? it's not 2-3 panels it's 40+ panels. Are you really underestimating Oda that much to think that he would not do that on purpose ?
Usopp works does not in anyway negates that. Like I said, Usopp is not a look out he just do the work from time to time, like Brook with the helm. When Carrot will be officialized, Usopp won't do the work anymore.
@Zik:
I don't think you understood what I just said.
We're talking about the need of a lookout during a battle. Not just the ship being in danger. We were never talking about that.
When the ship is in a battle then, nobody needs a cook, noone needs an helmsman, are you saying that in those condition, those post don't need the strawhat attributed to them ?
I think you you are another universe lol
Like I said, except a few one like cook or doctor, the post are mostly fully relevant in a very SPECIFIC situation. That's how they work, you can find it "not that cool" that's how Oda made them. The rest of the time, other people can do those jobs. It's therefore irrelevant to point out that Usopp is better at this or that, that's not his post PERIOD.
And you can tergiverse all you want about it around the subject it won't make your argument right. And yes those are the RIGHT strawhats, those are litterally who Oda took to do the job of the other (Nami for Sanji and Brook for Jinbe) don't tell me you forget that?
I repeat (for it to be very clear to all): once a crew member get's into his post, it's not about what they can do all the time, it's about what they can do in very SPECIFIC situation.
Now the question for Oda is "how do I make a look out shine", basically, it's almost impossible if we only talk about the passive part of the job.. But when we talk about the active one, the "sentinell" or like I like to call it, "recon" it's very easy for Oda to put Carrot in the best position, FROM the crownest into a position of power and admiration.
We are talking about half a chapter of pure magic, NONE of the non strawhat characters have been depicted that way in the story with such a treatment. You can have - of course - display of power, like Yamao, but no character will be on the side saying "wow, she can really do THAT ?" The treatment of Carrot in this chapter is exceptionnal, this is not just a display of power. Again, check it out.
@Zik:
That's not how needs work in this context. You're talking about a position as a ship member (lookout). Not a need vital to the story in a specific situation (Robin as a poneglyph translator).
Wrong. You are suggesting that the need is something vital. It's not always vital, sometimes it's just there. Again look that up.
@Zik:
At this point you're not even responding to what I'm talking about […] This also doesn't address anything I've said.
Yes it does but at this point, you are sayin no, just to say no, you don't have any strong arguments.
@Zik:
You just want to keep using the word undeniable lol.
Like I said I don't think you know how to properly support this stance.
I just said some strawhats are always awake at all times. Then you post a link of Oda saying exactly what I said.
Nothing about that link says anything about needing or wanting a lookout. That's actually a fact and undeniable.
Oda PROVED to you that all the strawhat were not awake all the time, why are you lying ? If your argument is that there is at least one strawhat awake all the time it's true, but it's also true that this figuration make them LACK of sleep. Those two facts are UNDENIABLE. (all caps)
Which means that the crew is in dire need for someone with the potential of doing the job, FOR them. That what Rabbit does, even asleep they are AWARE of attackers, and.. I think that Carrot is a rabbit… but I'm not sure. (this is actual sarcasm)
@Zik:
No. You've shown an inability to show any comprehension of what a look out entails by saying it has to deal with being fast and jumping. Lookouts observe things far away. Even threats. The key thing is that they are far away. Nobody on the crew is slow, so getting to the crow's nest isn't a problem. That Sanji can get there faster than Usopp doesn't mean anything.
This is just pure toxicity at this point.. so either you are gonna listen to the argument, either I will be starting to ignore what you say. I told you what a look out does, you are just repeating what I'm saying with the words "no, you don't understand".. this is nonsence. Plus I told you that for some, getting to the crown's nest is NOT easy, that's just a fact . Don't try to deniy it or this will be ignored.
@Zik:
Being a lookout is attached to being in the crow's nest of a ship. If it was simply about getting highest as possible then the best lookout would be someone that could fly or had a flying companion like Ann and Balloon.
Being a good look out is being able to go high and communicate well, that's what carrot does. Only flying is not sufficient. And yes, flying would help.. wait.. Carrot CAN float while being high.
@Zik:
I don't tolerate dumbassness, it'll get you nowhere with me. I'll keep pointing out your dumbassness until you stop being a dumbass.
Be respectfull kido. That's the first rule of the game. I've not cross the line, neither should you.
@Zik:
If your point is that Usopp is better at sensing and spotting danger then we agree. If its also Carrot is ignorant and that also would wouldn't help if she is suppose to be a lookout, then we agree.
My point is that Usopp is scared, and ignorance is not a default in carrot's case. It's actually the opposite, don't be dishonest.
@Zik:
This sentence is an indication that you don't.
I'm not talking about how anything works.
I'm talking about you not knowing what the word need means or the difference between the words need qnd want.
You have yet to display you do even when you say otherwise.
I know full well the difference, I'm just saying that in a Luffy context, there are none. And that's what you don't understand about One Piece.
@Zik:
Your replies prove you are incapable of that /…/ Disagreeing with your interpretation and opinion is not dishonesty /.../ You just don't seem to have a reasonable response to disagreements.
You can say those thing all you want, it won't make your statements true. Give me actual arguments.
@Zik:
Nothing can be more relevant than you trying to pass off your opinion as a fact.
You're pretending what you're saying is true and when that is pointed out you are calling it undeniable and saying those that disagree with you are wrong or dishonest. […]
Just calling it how I see it.
Then give me actual and fair counter analysis, sayin "nope" is not enough. I have made arguments about:
- The mugiwara action
- The way Carrot is constructed to fit her post
I have yet to hear counter analysis about those argumentation. When I make an analysis I'm not just "making stuff up" this is 20 year of experience of storytelling analysis that comes into play.
Saying that Carrot's character is milked to fit perfectly the strawhat post is not just my opinion, it's the most PROBABLE analysis about the construction of the character based on narrative DATA like the way Oda is making reference to Alice, or the way Oda make Carrot interact with the strawhats! Denying that is courageous at best, but it won't get you anywere. I'm not just a silly one piece theorist. You should have understood that by now.
@Zik:
The thing is what consists of being wrong according to you is anyone that disagrees with you.
Your first post in this thread was basically what I say is right and if you disagree you are wrong.
Hard to forget and ignore such high level of dumbassery when you reply to me disagreeing with you.
There is something that you need clearly to understand. We are not in a fairytail. We are having to opposite argument that can't coexist with each others. So i'm either right, or I'm either wrong. From my point of view, if you make the opposite argument, you ARE wrong.
The question is: Who is making the more sence, the one who has data about a character fitting a specific post, or the one who try to deny it by ignoring what the author is creating?
@Zik:
This is literally you making up a qualification and requirement for the position of lookout.
I'm just digging in the design to see what the best look-out should look like. Carrot is just the closest to this definition.
@Zik:
Ignore the story if you want. You've done so several times already.
lol you keep ignoring the story by ignoring how many time Carrot has been depicted as a look out and how she was depicted to this post.. I'm not the one ignoring the story here.
@Zik:
You've already admitted your bias and can't post without it. Same with your opinion and interpretation. You should pay attention to whats being argued.
yes I have bias, like you. So.. are we good ? Can we go on ?
@Zik:
This is someone who believes an analysis cant happen without bias.
You have a lot to learn about the deliver of information and storytelling in general.
@Devil:
I might as well add that if someone doesn’t agree with him/her, they will immediately call them toxic and don’t understand One Piece, like he/she is the only one who understands One Piece and crack Oda’s secret code.
No one can do that. That's the power of Oda.
But I have knowledge that other don't have, yes. I've been experiencing this story for 20 years now and analysing it for 16 ich. I'm proud of what One Piece taught me and I won't make excuses for that or play down my knowledge just because people feel offensed by an argument.
Yes, I'm REALLY sure of myself.. deal with it.
@Zhenja:
Did we ever had a pirate crew with someone in the official position as Lookout?
No yet.
@Coookie:
If the Wiki is any indication we never had an official lookout mentioned in the story.
I disagree that the Straw Hats need a dedicated lookout or that Carrot has shown any proficiency beyond what anyone else can do in that role, but what I particularly never understood was the notion that a lookout needs to be able to quickly reach the crow's nest.
Isn't the point of a lookout to see things preemptively, before there's any urgency in the first place? If there's ever a situation where speed is of essence, I can't imagine it not being reactionary, i.e. something already happened that the lookout should've seen sooner which means they failed their job.
And then there's also the scene where Usopp climbed the mast and spotted the Onigashima entrance guards faster than Carrot ever even thought of doing her supposed job.
If One Piece was a simulation of warship, I would agree, but that's not the case. In One Piece and the Sunny, a Lookout is part of the crew and must bond with it. That's why you can see carrot go back and forth during the story. Without that ability to jump high and fast, Carrot would just have hard time going to her post (a little bit like Usopp, like you said, he climbed, that was not an easy task)