@Zar:
Sometimes I'm a bit sad I didn't experience the early scanlation days. Sounds like some of the most frustratingly hilarious translations came out of that.
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@Zar:
Sometimes I'm a bit sad I didn't experience the early scanlation days. Sounds like some of the most frustratingly hilarious translations came out of that.
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OMFG that last one cannot be a mistake
What was the right translation there lmao
They had an empire that consisted of the entire north blue. Is that not enough to establish that at some point they didn't need to make use of some sort of makeshift sea kingdom? And that picture of the conquest of the four kingdoms itself implies a re-conquest of lost territories, because there would be no four kingdoms in north blue if the entirety belonged to the Germa kingdom. From that it's not a huge stretch to assume that Judge himself never held the north blue in his palm, and is from a later generation that wants to take back their passed down birthright he was always told about. Which he does through science, which may, or may not be what they used to get up to even back when they were royals. He doesn't seem to look down on science either, so that much isn't out of personality either. That's how i read it atleast.
Correction. It's from the best damn subs ever made for an anime (In the early 2000's).
By whosits, can't remember the name productions out of somewhere near China.
I agree, that is what I originally thought. However, yonji's words this chapter make it seem like "germa" is the name of the gene manipulation.
Judge took that gene manipulation and created a country, calling it germa 66.
What are the odds this ancient country that ruled north blue was called germa, then Vegapunks discovery is called germa?
Seems weird.
I agree, that is what I originally thought. However, yonji's words this chapter make it seem like "germa" is the name of the gene manipulation.
Judge took that gene manipulation and created a country, calling it germa 66.
What are the odds this ancient country that ruled north blue was called germa, then Vegapunks discovery is called germa?
Seems weird.
As i understood it Vegapunk and Judge made the lineage breakthrough, and paved the ground.
And Judge then created/refined this particular clone technique, which he vainly named after his own kingdom.
As i understood it Vegapunk and Judge made the lineage breakthrough, and paved the ground.
And Judge then created/refined this particular clone technique, which he vainly named after his own kingdom.
Quite possible, I guess only time or better translation will tell.
MK, sometimes you just got to give up. They don't want to understand, so they never will.
Still, a man's gotta do what a man gotta do.
At least we see Zoro and Luffy getting wrapped up in bandages, and we see chopper yelling at Zoro not to take them off. The few instances we have seen bandage on Sanji was electrocution from Eneru and the slash from Mingo. This is the same guy that got his bones broken by Gin, Pearl, Mr 2 and lately Vergo.
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Man, I actually was the proud owner of some of these DVD sets lol. Oh past Me, how much money you wasted on crap:ninja:
Oh my sweet young 2016:ers. You are too young to have experienced the glory of twiced translated HK subs.
You never got to hear the adventures of Roof, Liar Boo, Sauron and Sunkist. And their struggle against the evil Done Creek, Clock dell and Neko Lowbun.
not that it really matters but I have been a dedicated weekly reader since about water seven. Also I have lurked AP from before the timeskip:ermm:
@le:
No…no... those memories... they are flooding back.... Must. Purge.
^these I do remember. Bisoromi Bear was one of my favourites also I liked the various BB mistranslations over time.
Dachshund Binami will always have a special place for me.
Goddamn I miss OneManga.
@Zar:
Sometimes I'm a bit sad I didn't experience the early scanlation days. Sounds like some of the most frustratingly hilarious translations came out of that.
lots of early(ish) 2000's scanlations were gloriously shitty!
@wolfwood:
Correction. It's from the best damn subs ever made for an anime (In the early 2000's).
By whosits, can't remember the name productions out of somewhere near China.
Mystery solved! I think I only ever saw fairly decent fan subs but have read the bad scans.
Just an idea: what would happen to all the leftover clones if Germa gets stomped?
Seeing kid Sanji enjoying reading and learning makes think him and chibi Nami and chibi Robin would've been great friends
@Cavendish:
Just an idea: what would happen to all the leftover clones if Germa gets stomped?
Live out they're lives to do whatever they want. But being a clone seems like a horrible fate. No free will, dying just because, and not realizing you're a clone.
Live out they're lives to do whatever they want. But being a clone seems like a horrible fate. No free will, dying just because, and not realizing you're a clone.
That was the thing I was puzzling. If they are made purely to follow the Vinsmokes would they even be able to be free? Well I guess if Sanji counts as someone they take orders from he can just tell them all to start a new life or something.
I really do like how twisted this whole clone thing makes Sanji's family and by extension how satisfying it will be seeing him kick their asses.
Seeing kid Sanji enjoying reading and learning makes think him and chibi Nami and chibi Robin would've been great friends
It is funny because chibi Robin was already an adult by the time they were kids.
@Monkey:
…what? Why are you talking about dodging lol.
Because thats what your doing, simple as that….
So you're saying whenever the human body produces a cracking sort of sound, a person has a dislocated bone/appendage.
cracks knuckles
AAAHHHHH MY KNUCKLES
Remind me how its visible when your "evidence" is a sound effect.
that crack was directly caused Sanji inflicted damage. when we crack our knuckles its not because of damage inflicted on us by anything
We see Niji crack his jaw into place not just a sound effect thats giving a visible sign of damage
You probably shouldn't make specific claims that are directly refutable by the manga.
http://mangastream.com/r/one_piece/840/3683/13
What?? that page refutes nothing lol…
Because thats the only wound he had in that scene you're attempting to use as evidence, as if you've read the scene since it came out (don't think you have).
He has clothes covering his body Sanji could have hit him there, His wounds could have healed Sanji could have hit him multiple places in his face and left no scar.
Just look at Duvals face after Sanji beat him?look at Noodle mans face from cipher pol? No scars left…
Well see the reason we know those two had a fight, is that characters told us they had a fight.
A thing that isn't true with Yonji and Sanji.
Pretty important difference.
Same thing happens here between Yonji, Sanji and Judge.
You posted dialogue that didn't say what you're saying. Well you posted the pages, but seemed to not like actually posting the dialogue. Maybe there's a reason for that.
It did and If your saying I only posted pages and not dialogue then you simply arent good at reading. this time read my whole post before posting replies to parts of it.
Things you did: Linked to pages.
Things I did: Quoted the exact dialogue from said pages.
correction "quote-mine" theres a BIG difference…
Yeah, and?
Where I come from we read character dialogue like its spoken by human beings and not plot robots. Therefore we would not read that scene and conclude that somehow Sanji "knows" anything. He could have a good hunch, be talking shit, combo of both. But he certainly doesn't "know" anything.
I think you'll find dialogue is actually SUPPOSED to be read like living things are talking.
No, Sanji stated that he is more formidable than Yonji as a FACT, and so did Yonji. Therefore we should take it as such LMAO. Its funny because you were accusing me of assuming things and now you're assuming he could have a hunch or talking shit? I'd maybe expect that from Usopp but Sanji is not like that. He really didnt even care when Niji was about to kick him in the face at the dinner table. Sanji doesn't talk shit on a hunch…
This assumes the situation was fight all over again.
It sounds like Yonji pissed him off, Sanji hit him, and that was that. Unless Sanji was on top of him and wailing away Yonji doesn't need to fight back.
No it doesnt, Do you really think that if Sanji just randomly kicked Yonji he would just let that slide? Yonji was a BULLY…have you ever tried to hit a bully before? even just once?
You're delusional if you think that Yonji would have let Sanji's kick(that messed up his face bad) slide...
Ok so once again lets read dialogue like human beings are speaking it, and not plot robots.
Yonji is confused and "miffed" shall we say that Sanji damaged him as so. Suggesting that whatever exactly happened wasn't a fight, with its suggestion of conclusiveness that would leave no doubt. But a quick incident where Sanji embarrassed him, leaving him put off, but still clearly in the mindset that it was a fluke.
Yonji was not in the mindset that it was a fluke… he stated that Sanji got the better of him. YOU are the one who is taking this plain and simple statement out of context.
You still have to account for why Yonji isn't spiritually crushed and disillusioned that his entire world view of his power and that of his "useless" brother wasn't violently shattered.
But I get the feeling you never actually account for that aspect of anything.
Why does he have to be? Judge wasn't when he first confronted Sanji about Yonji or that Sanji knows Haki or that he put up a decent fight?
They clearly have such doubts about where things stand!
http://mangastream.com/r/one_piece/840/3683/13
Is this the only way you can possibly try and win an argument? by putting words in peoples mouths?
Where did I say they have doubts? I SAID
""""They just didnt want any resistance or struggle from Sanji."""""
Even after I took the time to underline it for you and you still ignore it….maybe bolding it will help...probably wont though knowing you.
This page is my friend today.
more like enemy
The overall process of stomping Sanji down back to "his place" has everything to do with the wedding and longterm Germa plans.
In fact I think this was mentioned in dialogue as being the motives in that scene.
http://mangastream.com/r/one_piece/840/3683/13
You think? please show me where it was mentioned that he said this because he wanted Sanji to stay in the wedding.
Because as far as I'm concerned it was simply to have no struggle or resistance from him. Judge already had Sanji in check when he first mentioned Zeff so why would a little fight have any consequences. He even told Sanji to not fight back. if a simple fight was such a problem why did Judge challenge Sanji?
Because thats what your doing, simple as that….
Oh so you think it doesn't matter that Sanji didn't even leave a bruise on Niji's face. Something Oda constantly draws throughout the series after physical hits.
And you think this doesn't matter when people are claiming Sanji "demonstrated superiority".
Wanna try dodging the point?
that crack was directly caused Sanji inflicted damage. when we crack our knuckles its not because of damage inflicted on us by anything
The cracking sound means some sort of physical action is going on.
But see here's the point again.
1. No visible damage, which is the shit I said. No bruise. Oda draws these all the time. None.
2. Whatever the hell happened, even if as you say, Niji immediately fixed the "problem" and demonstrated absolutely no lasting impact from it whatsoever mere seconds after it happened. Meaning it was entirely negligible.
What?? that page refutes nothing lol…
Ok if you'd like to not be accused of dodging, take the page and circle in red Sanji's foot hitting Niji's jaw. If its as you say, this should be very easy.
But that page shows no such thing, so you'll find this quite impossible.
He has clothes covering his body Sanji could have hit him there,
Which is why the doctor is shown only just figuring how to fix the wound from Sanji. As if it is the sole subject of the examination, and the first of one to be worked on.
His wounds could have healed Sanji could have hit him multiple places in his face and left no scar.
So is Sanji on par with them and leaving them wounded with his kicks, or is he leaving no damage when he kicks them. Which is it.
Oh look, a shitty argument falling apart when pushed. I don't believe it.Just look at Duvals face after Sanji beat him?look at Noodle mans face from cipher pol? No scars left…
Their entire faces warped and changed shape PERMANENTLY you putz! No sign of the damage at all! lol
Same thing happens here between Yonji, Sanji and Judge.
Literally quote the dialogue.
It did and If your saying I only posted pages and not dialogue then you simply arent good at reading. this time read my whole post before posting replies to parts of it.
Post the dialogue dodgy dan.
correction "quote-mine" theres a BIG difference…
I'm sorry you find Oda's dialogue to be bias against your point. But maybe this is telling you something.
No, Sanji stated that he is more formidable than Yonji as a FACT,
One Piece isn't an encyclopedia, its a comic book depicting fake people interacting, and their every word is not to be taken literally.
If you take all dialogue literally, you are completely incapable of reading fiction, and possibly also incapable of following conversations in real life.
This isn't a matter of debate.
There is absolutely no way to interpret Sanji knowing anything as fact from that scene.Therefore we should take it as such LMAO.
No Greenmane, this is not how normal people read that dialogue. ('_')
Its funny because you were accusing me of assuming things and now you're assuming he could have a hunch or talking shit?
Those assumptions are actual normal takeaways from the given information and given dialogue, and also the unique insight of understanding human speech patterns and context.
Assuming something based off treating Sanji like a Plot Robot is a frightening bizarre way of seeing the world, and I can't imagine how life is through your eyes.I'd maybe expect that from Usopp but Sanji is not like that.
You expect Usopp to talk like a confident tough guy, and not Sanji? You HAVE read One Piece right?
Oh on that note, how did your brain not seize up and crash when you read Little Garden, the arc where Zoro and Sanji had an argument over insisting that they had caught a bigger animal than the other one.
Gosh! They each said their catch was bigger! So they're both stating facts that they know! But they can't both be right???? I I I can't can't can't process process processs ahhuhahjhjhjh PROGRAM FAILURE 10101000101010000001111101010010101111_ _He really didnt even care when Niji was about to kick him in the face at the dinner table. Sanji doesn't talk shit on a hunch…
So the pattern emerges in this thread, a shocking unexpected pattern, that people who support super dumb interpretations of One Piece… very often seem to at best have heard of most of past One Piece before. And haven't really y'know, read it.
We have Sereques insisting Sanji has never been in bandages, or been under operation for bone related injury, in spite of Sanji spending most of an arc out of commission at the mercy of a doctor after fucking up his back (bandages included!).And here we have Greenmane, someone who I'm guessing thinks Little Garden was that one arc with the clown in the sky…and they race...and then...the zombie kisses the bride and turns into a ... um... reindeer?? Yeah that one. Little Garden.
No it doesnt, Do you really think that if Sanji just randomly kicked Yonji he would just let that slide?
No one was suggesting Sanji kicked him randomly in fact we have plenty of reason to think he pissed Sanji off, though why we think that I don't know…
Yonji was a BULLY..
Oh right, that was it. Thank you!
You're delusional if you think that Yonji would have let Sanji's kick(that messed up his face bad) slide…
He's barely angry or even very emotional at all in the literal operating room, so yeah I can imagine that he didn't take it as badly as you're currently insisting.
If he got lodged in the wall like Niji almost did, and Sanji walked away it could very easily work out as a one hit situation. Especially if Yonji wasn't taking it as heavily as you insist, which we know he didn't. Hell even in this and the last chapter he doesn't seem to be holding a grudge. Heck they're literally sitting next to each-other at the dinner lol.So ACTUALLY, you're saying that it would be insane for Yonji to let one kick slide.
….except for what YOU'RE saying to be correct would mean.... Yonji letting Sanji outright defeat him in one on one combat slide. I'd call this checkmate, except its like you moved your king directly in front of my pieces so I'm not sure I can claim any credit. In fact isn't that an illegal move??Why does he have to be?
Because Mr. Roboto, this isn't a bunch of meat puppets being moved around in positions where they put fists and feet into each-others faces.
It's actually a plot with a thing called "characters", which are made up people, and they interact with conflict and drama. And they get angry and upset and sad and happy and stuff, based on stuff other characters do or don't do.
For instance! Heavily privileged noble children raised from birth to believe they are super superior to normal people both by birth and through their strength, would react VERY VERY poorly to having it definitely established that they are inferior in strength to someone they look down upon. Especially when that person is a "freak" loser brother who they all look down upon for being a weak loser normal person. That would make such a character EXTREMELY upset.
So you see, thats why it HAS to be.Judge wasn't when he first confronted Sanji about Yonji
For starters Judge wasn't bested himself. You see… when a thing happens to a person, its taken very hard by that person, but not usually by other different people that the thing doesn't happened to.
But again of course, Sanji and Yonji didn't have a fight, and Judge certainly doesn't say they did. He says Sanji "did something" to Yonji.or that Sanji knows Haki
One of the many signs of the Fight Junky is thinking Haki is evidence of a "high power level" (editors note: there are no power levels in One Piece), when it has long been demonstrated to not be. Namely on Amazon Lilly where Haki was used by virtually every single Kuja from the mediocre nobodies on up.
Which come to think of it was the first arc where Haki clearly became directly highlighted as a distinct thing.
Which come to think of it means this should be common knowledge to people who waste their time obsessing on One Piece battle trivia.
But hey, we've already established a trend of not reading One Piece among such folks.Is this the only way you can possibly try and win an argument? by putting words in peoples mouths?
""""They just didnt want any resistance or struggle from Sanji."""""Yes, resistance and struggle against his role in their plans, and against his place as a runt who should lick their shoes. That's what they mean.
That's not what you mean though, now is it.You think? please show me where it was mentioned that he said this because he wanted Sanji to stay in the wedding.
The dialogue directly irrefutably (and for you painfully) states that its about Sanji remaining in his place, understanding his place in the family heirarchy, his place as a "dud","mishap" and "failure".
Now, the wider context of that is what. Them holding him off because they respect his formidable strength? And don't want to beat his ass….like they always used to...as bullies that you said they are?
Hmm! No! That makes no sense!
Could it be that they want to crush his spirits, remind him of "who he is", and make him a demure whipped dog, for advancing the family plans?
Why yes! That would make sense!
Perhaps you don't think they...care about the family plans?
Well that would be really dumb. But ok, here's more page.
http://mangastream.com/r/one_piece/839/3672/6 Cool, Niji saying Sanji is "of use to us."
I mean, most people don't need this cited by direct dialogue, but since you somehow do, there it is. Cool huh?Oh and of course the next part of that scene, where Judge directly talks about the point of the blackmail with the entire family in the room together.
Maybe this will mean something to you…though what I can't be sure.
One page, two page.Judge already had Sanji in check when he first mentioned Zeff so why would a little fight have any consequences.
Because Sanji is not in check, and is still bucking them.
He even told Sanji to not fight back. if a simple fight was such a problem why did Judge challenge Sanji?
Because its not the fight that they're at issue with, its him not behaving like the family gimp. Or in other words.
"I'll be more than happy to remind you of the hierarchy in this house, anytime you want!! You… are the dud... the mishap... the failure Sanji."
Now where did that come from?
Oh right.
My friend page.
I keep telling people. If Sanji is modified but didn't display any abilities as a kid and maybe just needed a trigger then I think it started to manifest in Enies Lobby. We didn't get a haki explanation fir his diajamble attack. And now he's got even more fire. Although he credits that with being stuck on The Okama island. Still…His siblings and father do the lightening and poison thing. He gets fire.
Also as much as I would like an explanation for Zoro's Ashura….Sanji's reveal makes more for what his explanation could be lol.
Lightning can be explained/achieved by technology(electricity), while I think the poison is devil fruit(zoan poisonous butterfly/insect).
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Hakuba is nothing more like a split personality… Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde
Ashura is still the strangest thing ever…
Dunno why people have a problem with Diable Jambe… Haki or not... It hasn't have to do with the genes after all. Even more if Sanji explained it with manga logic and friction.
Dunno, it always seemed to me like his 'fighting spirit' manifestation. Asura is fighting/wrath/violence god manifestation in Japanese culture(you get the idea, I'm no wiki. Don't quote me on this).
With what we know of their " exoskeletons " according to the MS translation
They would bend or be affected before the vinsokes themselves. IE yonji got his head literally bent at an angle but he wasnt looking like he had been knocked out or anything just sent flying a little bit and deciding to hold off for a second and not resume th fight right away.
Also sanji clearly bends niji's face a bit enough, niji snaps it back into place a bit but he doesnt feel much pain. Kind of like a hard jab but theyd probably feel it a lot more without their exoskelteons that absorb the hit for them.
It's kind of like when sanji got momentum on his kick on the train and almost broke blueno's tekkai. The vinsmokes tekkai being a constant exoskeleton
After reading this chapter and seeing the name Vegapunk be mentioned, it makes me wish he would show up in the manga already so I can get my age old question answered, how could he make objects and weapons eat DFs?!
@Monkey:
Oh so you think it doesn't matter that Sanji didn't even leave a bruise on Niji's face. Something Oda constantly draws throughout the series after physical hits.
And you think this doesn't matter when people are claiming Sanji "demonstrated superiority".
Wanna try dodging the point?
There you go again putting words in peoples mouths…
this must be all you have left to resort to....how sad
Why did you put "demonstrated superiority" in quotations? never said that, also never implied that. All I was saying is that there is alot of evidence to support that sanji should atleast be able to break out of Nijis grip and his victory over Yonji gives evidence for this this.
1. No visible damage, which is the shit I said. No bruise. Oda draws these all the time. None.
2. Whatever the hell happened, even if as you say, Niji immediately fixed the "problem" and demonstrated absolutely no lasting impact from it whatsoever mere seconds after it happened. Meaning it was entirely negligible.
1. LOL…sure Oda draws bruises alot... So what? the dislocated Jaw was still visible damage
2. negligible sure, maybe so...I'm simply saying it was visible damage.
you are dodging simple as that...
Ok if you'd like to not be accused of dodging, take the page and circle in red Sanji's foot hitting Niji's jaw. If its as you say, this should be very easy.
But that page shows no such thing, so you'll find this quite impossible.
You linked the wrong page dude…
well either way it hits the upper jaw area here's highlighted http://imgur.com/a/dfTsY maxilla bone.
even if it didn't hit the jaw niji obviously fixed his jaw so your argument is irrelevant.
So is Sanji on par with them and leaving them wounded with his kicks, or is he leaving no damage when he kicks them. Which is it.
Oh look, a shitty argument falling apart when pushed. I don't believe it.
Thats always been the gag with Sanji when he rearranges peoples facial structure there are no scars/bruising left.
When sanji restructures peoples faces there are no bruising left.
Their entire faces warped and changed shape PERMANENTLY you putz! No sign of the damage at all! lol
here ill use your own argument against you…
"Oh so you think it doesn't matter that Sanji didn't even leave a bruise on Niji's face" congratulations, you just played yourself
also there facial structure wasn't "permanently" changed Sanji could easily fix it back.
Post the dialogue dodgy dan.
OK, I know how slow you can act so here you go again.
"Ill have you know that Niji is quite formidable" sanji says in response: "I guess that makes me more so"
"How could a good for nothing like him possibly get the better of me"
I'm sorry you find Oda's dialogue to be bias against your point. But maybe this is telling you something.
you said you quoted exactly what was on the page but you did not, you only quoted part of it.
I'm sorry but if you have to resort to quote mining as a tactic then it seems like the dialogue is bias against YOUR point not mine.
One Piece isn't an encyclopedia, its a comic book depicting fake people interacting, and their every word is not to be taken literally.
If you take all dialogue literally, you are completely incapable of reading fiction, and possibly also incapable of following conversations in real life.
This isn't a matter of debate.
There is absolutely no way to interpret Sanji knowing anything as fact from that scene.
LOL…now your just in denial
Sanji doesnt lie about who he can beat just to act tough in-front of a father he doesnt care about, thats just dumb. If Sanji cared so much about acting tough like you're ASSUMING. Why was Sanji nonchalant when Niji was about to kick him in the face? he had no reaction. He doesn't care about proving anything to them.
No Greenmane, this is not how normal people read that dialogue. ('_')
Yes they do. Normal people take what people actually STATE in the manga over mere assumption. which is what you are doing.
I'm certain that most people that avtually read the chapter took it that way.
Those assumptions are actual normal takeaways from the given information and given dialogue, and also the unique insight of understanding human speech patterns and context.
Assuming something based off treating Sanji like a Plot Robot is a frightening bizarre way of seeing the world, and I can't imagine how life is through your eyes.
I too can take away imaginary things from dialogue that I make up in my mind to try and prove a stupid point. watch…
Akainu and Aokiji didn't actually fight..they just became lovers and banged on punk hazard. WG posted a fake story so to not lose face over this incident and told Aokiji to spy on blackbeard. this is obviously a normal takeaway from the information and dialogue. If you choose to take what the WG said literally you can't read like a normal person.
You expect Usopp to talk like a confident tough guy, and not Sanji? You HAVE read One Piece right?
I should ask the same of you.
That is EXACTLY Usopp's character. he is a coward that lies to look tough infront of his enemies. Pretty sure you've been an OP fan longer than me and you still dont know this LMAO…
Oh on that note, how did your brain not seize up and crash when you read Little Garden, the arc where Zoro and Sanji had an argument over insisting that they had caught a bigger animal than the other one.
Gosh! They each said their catch was bigger! So they're both stating facts that they know! But they can't both be right????
The difference between Zoro and judge is that he is competitive with Zoro. With judge he doesn't care for him. he's trying to prove that hes sbetter than Zoro. He has nothing to prove to Judge.
So the pattern emerges in this thread, a shocking unexpected pattern, that people who support super dumb interpretations of One Piece… very often seem to at best have heard of most of past One Piece before. And haven't really y'know, read it.
says the guy who thinks Usopp never talks shit to act tough. did you forget the innumerable times usopp had had his 10000 men, 10 ton hammer etc…
NVM maybe you were talking about yourself.
Oh right, that was it. Thank you!
are you saying he wasn't bullying Sanji?
He's barely angry or even very emotional at all in the literal operating room,
If he got lodged in the wall like Niji almost did, and Sanji walked away it could very easily work out as a one hit situation. Especially if Yonji wasn't taking it as heavily as you insist, which we know he didn't. Hell even in this and the last chapter he doesn't seem to be holding a grudge. Heck they're literally sitting next to each-other at the dinner lol.
This makes no sense. theres no way Sanji could have just walked away like youre saying Yonji would have simply gotten up and fought back.
So ACTUALLY, you're saying that it would be insane for Yonji to let one kick slide.
….except for what YOU'RE saying to be correct would mean.... Yonji letting Sanji outright defeat him in one on one combat slide. I'd call this checkmate, except its like you moved your king directly in front of my pieces so I'm not sure I can claim any credit. In fact isn't that an illegal move??
LOL sure checkmate ;) you're like a kid who has no idea how to play and just wrecks all the pieces on the board and insists he wins….no it doesn't work like that little buddy. sorry
How did Yonji letting Sanji beat him slide??? Sanji already BEAT him so how would that let him slide? He's stronger so why fight again? Did Bellamy, whom is a bit similar to yonji hold a grudge against luffy when he beat him? NO, he actually GAINED respect for him. he even went to skypeia himself afterward. there is nothing to let slide if he won in a fight.
its possible that the same happened with Yonji. He actually gained a bit of respect for Sanji just like reiju. finding out Sanji is strong would be like if Sanji also acted like a spoiled royal..they would gain respect. I mean, being weak is one of the reasons they hated him why would being strong make them hate him more?
For starters Judge wasn't bested himself. You see… when a thing happens to a person, its taken very hard by that person, but not usually by other different people that the thing doesn't happened to.
But again of course, Sanji and Yonji didn't have a fight, and Judge certainly doesn't say they did. He says Sanji "did something" to Yonji.
He didn't have to be bested. Sanji simply proved he was strong which did go againnst what Judge thought Sanji could do at that time.
One of the many signs of the Fight Junky is thinking Haki is evidence of a "high power level"
never said that. judge was the one who commented on that being surprised.
Yes, resistance and struggle against his role in their plans, and against his place as a runt who should lick their shoes. That's what they mean.
That's not what you mean though, now is it.
HOORAY, you finally payed attention to what I wrote. Didn't think it would happen
you deserve a cookie for that one.
now…
The dialogue directly irrefutably (and for you painfully) states that its about Sanji remaining in his place, understanding his place in the family heirarchy, his place as a "dud","mishap" and "failure".
Now, the wider context of that is what. Them holding him off because they respect his formidable strength? And don't want to beat his ass….like they always used to...as bullies that you said they are?
Hmm! No! That makes no sense!
Could it be that they want to crush his spirits, remind him of "who he is", and make him a demure whipped dog, for advancing the family plans?
Why yes! That would make sense! Cool, Niji saying Sanji is "of use to us."
I mean, most people don't need this cited by direct dialogue, but since you somehow do, there it is. Cool huh?
Like I said how does telling sanji NOT to fight back put him in his place. wouldn't it be more satisfying to put him in his place while hes fighting the best he can?
and I asked for a quote of them saying that Niji said to not fight back specifically to put him in his place you have yet to do that. "of use to us" wont cut it
Because Sanji is not in check, and is still bucking them.
Point out one instance of Sanji "bucking" after judge pulled out Zeff card.
Because its not the fight that they're at issue with, its him not behaving like the family gimp. Or in other words.
"I'll be more than happy to remind you of the hierarchy in this house, anytime you want!! You… are the dud... the mishap... the failure Sanji."
Now where did that come from?
Oh right.
My friend page.
What does a simple fight have to do with being a gimp? and how does telling him not to fight back make him not behave like the gimp?
like I said…that page refutes nothing lol.
@The:
After reading this chapter and seeing the name Vegapunk be mentioned, it makes me wish he would show up in the manga already so I can get my age old question answered, how could he make objects and weapons eat DFs?!
The explanation is probably going to involve DNA and appliance of said DNA on a complete object on a cellular level or some technical stuff like that.
Goddamn I miss OneManga.
OneManga . This actually made me shed a tear. That's where it all started for me with forums. And that notice almost 7 years ago that they weren't going to host chapters anymore.
MetaMario why did you do this to me??
The explanation is probably going to involve DNA and appliance of said DNA on a complete object on a cellular level or some technical stuff like that.
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/b0/0d/88/b00d8818266403a0fce54d46c694d8db.jpg
Most likely, and I probably won't understand it a single bit.
The explanation is probably going to involve DNA and appliance of said DNA on a complete object on a cellular level or some technical stuff like that.
Truth be told, I hope it does not: Devil Fruits come in such an amazing variety of out-of-this-world powers that I would prefer them to retain a share of mystery. At least the notion of "Lineage factor" leaves some wiggle room for unexplainable fantasy, whereas "DNA" (or any concept that we should clearly identify as such) summons too many scientific facts and assumptions for my liking.
I did notice the DNA helix in this week's chapter of course, but I am hoping (a fool's hope, most likely) that it will remained confined to the Vinsmokes manipulations and not be later revealed as a core component of Devil Fruits.
@Long:
OMFG that last one cannot be a mistake
What was the right translation there lmao
I have no idea. But i'm sure there are some One Piece sherlock who can place that scene.
Could be at the belt. All i know is that Usopp is not having any of their shit
Man, I actually was the proud owner of some of these DVD sets lol. Oh past Me, how much money you wasted on crap:ninja:
You bought them? Didn't even know that was an option.
I downloaded them on kaaza. And you could forget about watching 'em in order.
And half of the time it was porn or something.
not that it really matters but I have been a dedicated weekly reader since about water seven. Also I have lurked AP from before the timeskip:ermm:
Oh no you don't. Don't try that sneaky i was here before stuff.
You are a cute little 2016:er. And that's that
You bought them? Didn't even know that was an option.
I downloaded them on kaaza. And you could forget about watching 'em in order.
And half of the time it was porn or something.
Yes, from EbayI obviously had no idea what the hell I was doing, lol. Somehow, my mother managed to sell all three or four of these boxsets at a flea market to some other poor, naive idiot like me and I at least made some money off of them
This came to my mind when I was browsing through latest long ass arguments exchange :happy:
At last, I have time to read carefully these last two chapters.
Note: images are under spoiler tags.
Chapter 839
Page 1 - First thing I spotted was a reference to the 3rd Reich Eagle:
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And, by extension, to the nazi regime. I'll come back to that later.
I've also noticed that skulls were represented several times; on the castle, on the wings, above Judge's throne. A reference to Satan? Possibly a further link to Diable Jambe?
"Ah, that reminds me, father… the next "Reverie" is coming up!" (according to MS).
I've got to ask: when is the reverie actually "coming up"? I'm lost in the chronology right now.
Page 3 - Epic scene. Sanji stopping that plate was just too cool. This is where the conflict between Sanji's values and his brothers' begins.
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What burdens me in this turn of events is the fact that Zeff could be killed if Sanji doesn't cooperate. We know Sanji can't get married, but we know Big Mom can't be beat… the best case scenario would be Big Mom promising not to hurt Zeff. He is an excellent cook after all. We'll have to wait and see how things will turn out.
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Awesome panel. Sanji's internal conflict is well-handled, I feel close to him.
Chapter 840
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Yet he is the greatest man of the whole family.
The reason Niji doesn't have any bruise must be explained by the outer skeleton he has developed. What if Sanji can Diable Jambe/use Hell Memory because his outer-skeleton protects him from the heat?
The "iron mask" is such a dick move. It warmed my heart. I want to know what is the purpose of this, and how Sanji will escape.
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@The:
After reading this chapter and seeing the name Vegapunk be mentioned, it makes me wish he would show up in the manga already so I can get my age old question answered, how could he make objects and weapons eat DFs?!
I'm dying to know more about him too.
About power levels, I think it's safe to say that Zoro is overall stronger than Luffy because someone called Sauron just has to be stronger than someone called Roof.
@Bartholemew:
About power levels, I think it's safe to say that Zoro is overall stronger than Luffy because someone called Sauron just has to be stronger than someone called Roof.
Also About power levels fooders》 sanji family
@Bartholemew:
About power levels, I think it's safe to say that Zoro is overall stronger than Luffy because someone called Sauron just has to be stronger than someone called Roof.
But clearly clown captain Parchy is the best. But on the other hand Sauron can do this.
"Through the rocks I can smell the breath of Bialogy."
Must be something that Migfor taught him. Him being the best swordsman and all.
Do parchy and sauron belong to ap ancient history ? Cause i really dont get what you guys are sayimg
OneManga . This actually made me shed a tear. That's where it all started for me with forums. And that notice almost 7 years ago that they weren't going to host chapters anymore.
MetaMario why did you do this to me??
I binged series there all the time (no ad problems), but now…..ugh. Mangapanda is filled with ads and shitty translations, and mangastream doesn't cover everything (plus removing chapters from the queue is dumb)
oh well, I still have English volumes
I lost my virginity on Onemanga. Imagine my joy after realizing I don't need to DL chapters and read them on CDisplay.
Onemanga never surpassed Duwang in terms of amusement.
Holy shit balls! That's crazy stuff and so very very sad! I wonder what changed to make Sanji so strong…was living under Zeff really that huge of a difference? (Bear in mind he's always been one of the 3 strongest in the Strawhats. From the beginning.)
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Goddamn I miss OneManga.
Oh god. I miss them so much too! Twas crazy whay happened to them! Odd too since so many still translate manga…
Onemanga and gotlurk…forever in my soul.
*Bows down.
Today I was wondering if those Raid Suits that Sanjis brothers were wearing are giving them some sort of boost in combat power or if those are just for show?
I expect cool fights in latter part of this arc where Sanji is having an edge physically so Vinsmokes are starting to use a lot of their tech.
Maybe not to Batman extent lol but it would be cool if they have few more tricks beside CQC and electricity/laser n stuff.
Perhaps those gloves that Yonji was wearing work like dials ? Or they enchance grip or punching power ?
Certainly those gloves gave Judge means to grab Sanjs Diable Jambe leg so perhaps even when Sanji goes all out on his siblings duo they will be able to stop DJ thanks to their suits combined with exoskeletons and strength. That much to stop Sanjis kick is a compliment to Sanjis strength I guess.
If Sanji wearing the helmet was how Judge saw him last, then even if Duval was wearing his, they would still target him, jaja poor guy. I wonder if Sanji was more upset by the fact that this lookalike hid himself under a mask.
I'm curious to know why Sanji didn't tell about his family to his crewmates. Hope there is a genuine reason and not that the plot required it or some bullshit like that.
Also, it's odd that he didn't have the chance to use his "diable jambe" yet, for some mysterious reason he kicked his daddy and his big brother with his weakest technique…. maybe it's because he would have one-shot 'em.
I'm curious to know why Sanji didn't tell about his family to his crewmates. Hope there is a genuine reason and not that the plot required it or some bullshit like that.
Also, it's odd that he didn't have the chance to use his "diable jambe" yet, for some mysterious reason he kicked his daddy and his big brother with his weakest technique…. maybe it's because he would have one-shot 'em.
Luffy never told anyone about Ace or Sabo until either showed up in the main story. Nami didn't tell anyone about Arlong until she ran away with the ship. Brook has only revealed that he was part of a convoy before becoming a pirate but neither the readers nor the SHs know anything else about that. Nobody knows about who Franky's parents are. No Straw Hat goes around telling the others about their pasts.
Luffy never told anyone about Ace or Sabo until either showed up in the main story. Nami didn't tell anyone about Arlong until she ran away with the ship. Brook has only revealed that he was part of a convoy before becoming a pirate but neither the readers nor the SHs know anything else about that. Nobody knows about who Franky's parents are. No Straw Hat goes around telling the others about their pasts.
Yes but Sanji's case is completely different since he's not a dumbass ( Luffy ), isn't the hostage of anyone (Nami) and his past is finally revealed after 2 years ( you know, when everyone thought the manga was slowly ending, we learn that Sanji is a prince ) ! You just can't compare him to dumbass Luffy or Brook.
And didn't Sanji say he had a reason not to say his family thing ? Just before Capone "kidnapped" him ?
I'm curious to know why Sanji didn't tell about his family to his crewmates. Hope there is a genuine reason and not that the plot required it or some bullshit like that.
Also, it's odd that he didn't have the chance to use his "diable jambe" yet, for some mysterious reason he kicked his daddy and his big brother with his weakest technique…. maybe it's because he would have one-shot 'em.
It would be weirder for Sanji explain his whole backstory. None of the characters have shared their pasts unless it's directly brought up, like Brook's history with Laboon. But even then, we don't know about the majority of Brook's life before joining the Rumbar Pirates. Unless it's actually relevant to the plot, it really doesn't make sense for the characters to share those things.
What would cause Sanji to pull everyone aside and say "Yeah, kind of random but my family are a family of killers from North Blue that wanted to take over that whole sea. They treated me awful, starved me, and faked my death to lock me in a dungeon".
There's not really an organic way to explain that so I don't know why you think it's weird that Sanji didn't bring up his awful upbringing to the crew of people with awful upbringings when it wasn't relevant at any point in the story before now.
Yes but Sanji's case is completely different since he's not a dumbass ( Luffy ), isn't the hostage of anyone (Nami) and his past is finally revealed after 2 years ( you know, when everyone thought the manga was slowly ending, we learn that Sanji is a prince ) ! You just can't compare him to dumbass Luffy or Brook.
And didn't Sanji say he had a reason not to say his family thing ? Just before Capone "kidnapped" him ?
Is the fact that he didn't consider them his family nor wanted to be associated with them a good answer? Maybe he just wants to forget about that chapter of his life and I wouldn't blame him!
I'm curious to know why Sanji didn't tell about his family to his crewmates. Hope there is a genuine reason and not that the plot required it or some bullshit like that.
Two reasons: 1. he completely broke ties with his family, so, who cares? 2. why bother your friends with such important information, which could cause many problems.
It would be weirder for Sanji explain his whole backstory. None of the characters have shared their pasts unless it's directly brought up, like Brook's history with Laboon. But even then, we don't know about the majority of Brook's life before joining the Rumbar Pirates. Unless it's actually relevant to the plot, it really doesn't make sense for the characters to share those things.
What would cause Sanji to pull everyone aside and say "Yeah, kind of random but my family are a family of killers from North Blue that wanted to take over that whole sea. They treated me awful, starved me, and faked my death to lock me in a dungeon".
There's not really an organic way to explain that so I don't know why you think it's weird that Sanji didn't bring up his awful upbringing to the crew of people with awful upbringings when it wasn't relevant at any point in the story before now.
adding to this,if you call luffy "dumbass" then i would call Sanji "tough guy".look at how he was in baratie.he is not the kind to go blabbing about his past and weaknesses needlessly.
plus,he had already severed his ties,and why would he willingly remember and bring up shit like this?
it's like people just want to randomly bring up their traumas for no good reason.yeah,no
Even though I think you all have just ganged up against me for no reason, I agree. Just read the said chapter again and it actually makes sense
http://www.mangareader.net/one-piece/813/12
He just really don't wanna talk about his family. Since he isn't considering himself part of it, which I can perfectly understand.
Also, just remembered how Sanji was cool in this chapter. His charisma just exploded over 9000 since then.
But whatev', let's bring another topic.
What's Sanji's masterplan to escape ? Since he keep repeating he'll escape or maybe he the situation changed since the wristlets and Zeff thing so h's fucked and waiting for Luffy ?
Also, did he really thought Luffy will just go, keeping traveling from island to island and shit ? Like " it's okay, I know my captain very-well, he'll never do something "stupid" like starting a war against the WG just for a friend, or punching a tenryubito for a friend and whatnot".
At least, I'd like to know more about why Sanji would be afraid for his friends about Germa 66 and a yonkou since they already have mother fucking Kaidou tracking them down…
Even though I think you all have just ganged up against me for no reason, I agree. Just read the said chapter again and it actually makes sense
http://www.mangareader.net/one-piece/813/12He just really don't wanna talk about his family. Since he isn't considering himself part of it, which I can perfectly understand.
Also, just remembered how Sanji was cool in this chapter. His charisma just exploded over 9000 since then.
It's not really ganging up, I just think the thread was so dead that people were like "stuuuuuff @_@"
I'm curious to know why Sanji didn't tell about his family to his crewmates. Hope there is a genuine reason and not that the plot required it or some bullshit like that.
Also, it's odd that he didn't have the chance to use his "diable jambe" yet, for some mysterious reason he kicked his daddy and his big brother with his weakest technique…. maybe it's because he would have one-shot 'em.
Like its been said Sanji family ties lie with Zeff and the Baratie now, and the crew met those people.
In a crew with no-parents Luffy, adopted Nami, dead-mother and pirate father Usopp, no one would think that much about why a kid was raised in restaurant.
And Sanji mentioned that he came from the North Blue, but only now did the rest of the crew thought about how hard a voyage from the North Blue to the East Blue could be and realized he had some sort of untold past.
Sanji wasn't being that secretive, just reserved.
And he did use Diable Jamble against Judge.
Judge called Germa soldiers to form a wall and Sanji couldn't attack them.
And he did use Diable Jamble against Judge.
Judge called Germa soldiers to form a wall and Sanji couldn't attack them.
So he didn't. Which probably means he could wreck his family with his diable jambe.
He had no reason not to use it before ( first time he kicked his daddy ) and right now kicking his brother. Since he's usually always using it even against weak opponents, the reason why he didn't here is because the plot required it.
I actually can't remember the last time he kicked someone without his diable jambe ( I mean, before daddy vinsmoke )
So he didn't. Which probably means he could wreck his family with his diable jambe.
He had no reason not to use it before ( first time he kicked his daddy ) and right now kicking his brother. Since he's usually always using it even against weak opponents, the reason why he didn't here is because the plot required it.I actually can't remember the last time he kicked someone without his diable jambe ( I mean, before daddy vinsmoke )
I wouldn't say he could wreck them but Oda has certainly been saving a full fight for the climax of the arc.
The Vinsmokes still see Sanji as the runt of the litter and Sanji has been slowly saying for them to rethink their opinion.
What remains to be seen is if Sanji will fight one of his brothers, most likely Ichiji, and Luffy will face Judge or if it's Sanji himself who will face his father.