The popular vote at the moment isn't a good representation of what it might be with the Electoral College gone. As it is, because of the existence of the Electoral College a lot of people don't vote because they know their vote won't count in solid blue or red states, though some states were much closers than normal this time. This effect would probably linger for a while too even if you got rid of the Electoral College which would basically ensure a Democrat win because densely packed areas are overwhelmingly Democrat.
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The Democrats have been almost neutral on it, though.
Almost neutral is still lot better than either blowing dog whistles or putting your shit on display for everyone to see and yet still pretend it doesn't stink.
I've often wondered about that myself; seems like being supported by people who only want you there so the world can end in fire (with you going to Hell in the process) would be somewhat off-putting
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Almost neutral is still lot better than either blowing dog whistles or putting your shit on display for everyone to see and yet still pretend it doesn't stink.
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They have their own subreddit. Be warned, it's kinda scary.
So it's more of a gender bent, then? I've seen it as:
"okay /tv/ redpill as to why this movie is bad"
"was he redpilled?"(also I couldn't click the link to this post in the notifications for some reason)
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Please don't insult the other people talking in this thread. We want to keep things civil.
I wasn't trying to insult other people and I'm sorry it came across that way.
I don't think for example, you solve the conundrum created by the War On Drugs and how it disproportionately affects minorities simply at the state level. That's something that the federal government can and has to fix.
Enforcement of a lot of those laws is (and should be) a state mandate. California, for instance, has taken steps to ensure that rap sheets for minor drug offences are commuted, especially for juveniles. It is only when you traffic drugs across state lines, which I don't think is a race issue, will the Federal government and its law enforcement will step in.
I don't expect such a thing to happen since improving race relations is something that'll only happen once people stop passing on their hatred and prejudice towards people of other races or religions, towards the next generation.
And participating in your local community will be the best way to ensure that this happens.
Racial violence was a thing before Obama got elected and was never going to go away because he got elected.
I was not suggesting that he'd wave a magic wand and make it disappear. What I was saying is that as a black person himself, he'd have a greater vested interest in trying to make improvements in race relations. But given that the situation has stayed the same or only deteriorated in his tenure, it is a harder thing to come from the presidency than you might suggest.
Republicans on the other hand like to pretend the system doesn't disproportionately affect minorities, all the while suggesting that minorities carry out violence at a much greater rate than whites.
I do not think that's true. For all his faults, even Trump has paid lip-service to the fact that inner-city violence impacts minorities to a much greater extent than it does white people. I was wondering if there were any stated policy positions one might guide me to.
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The popular vote at the moment isn't a good representation of what it might be with the Electoral College gone. As it is, because of the existence of the Electoral College a lot of people don't vote because they know their vote won't count in solid blue or red states, though some states were much closers than normal this time. This effect would probably linger for a while too even if you got rid of the Electoral College which would basically ensure a Democrat win because densely packed areas are overwhelmingly Democrat.
People might be overestimating the effects of this. The closest thing we have to popular vote is elections to the House, where the Republicans won a majority of the popular vote in this election.
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And participating in your local community will be the best way to ensure that this happens.
It might set you on the pathway but that alone isn't enough.
Enforcement of a lot of those laws is (and should be) a state mandate.
Good luck getting those passed in specific states.
California, for instance, has taken steps to ensure that rap sheets for minor drug offences are commuted, especially for juveniles. It is only when you traffic drugs across state lines, which I don't think is a race issue,
If you have a white and black person both committing the act of selling drugs but the black guy gets more time than the white, that's a race issue. One that likely wasn't the original intent when these drug laws were drawn up, but one that has caused very obvious and indisputable problems for minorities.
But given that the situation has stayed the same or only deteriorated in his tenure, it is a harder thing to come from the presidency than you might suggest.
I wasn't insinuating this though since I know improving race relations isn't something that's only up to the President, it's something politicians at every level along with their supporters have to all be involved in. But if you have not enough people engaging in the process along with many others who want to maintain the status quo of prejudice and hate it's not going to change.
I do not think that's true. For all his faults, even Trump has paid lip-service to the fact that inner-city violence impacts minorities to a much greater extent than it does white people
Inner City violence does impact minorities but that's not why Conservatives and Trump bring it up from time to time.
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Did anybody catch that 60 Minute interview with President-Elect Donald Trump talking about how he's going to appoint a pro-life judge(s) to the Supreme Court and if the legalization of aborition is overturned on the federal level then so be it!?
And then he was asked wouldn't that mean women living in certain states wouldn't be able to get an abortion do you know what he said?
'They'd just have to just to go to another state then.'
I mean, I knew this was his view but the more he states it and the closer he gets to the presidency the dumber and more realistic it sounds.
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People might be overestimating the effects of this. The closest thing we have to popular vote is elections to the House, where the Republicans won a majority of the popular vote in this election.
Not exactly. In 2014 Democratic House candidates received about a combined 1 million more votes than Republican candidates, but Republicans won about 50 more seats due in large part to the Great Gerrymandering of 2016.
So given that Democratic candidates have received more votes in I think 5 of the last 6 elections, there's some reason to believe a popular vote would favor Democrats. But hey, maybe if Republicans stopped being the party of racism people might vote differently.
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Did anybody catch that 60 Minute interview with President-Elect Donald Trump talking about how he's going to appoint a pro-life judge(s) to the Supreme Court and if the legalization of aborition is overturned on the federal level then so be it!?
And then he was asked wouldn't that mean women living in certain states wouldn't be able to get an abortion do you know what he said?
'They'd just have to just to go to another state then.'
I mean, I knew this was his view but the more he states it and the closer he gets to the presidency the dumber and more realistic it sounds.
Love how the media is already saying he sounds more presidential. They fall for it every time. They're completely unfit to cover this presidency.
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Did anybody catch that 60 Minute interview with President-Elect Donald Trump talking about how he's going to appoint a pro-life judge(s) to the Supreme Court and if the legalization of aborition is overturned on the federal level then so be it!?
And then he was asked wouldn't that mean women living in certain states wouldn't be able to get an abortion do you know what he said?
'They'd just have to just to go to another state then.'
I mean, I knew this was his view but the more he states it and the closer he gets to the presidency the dumber and more realistic it sounds.
And yet the "Hillary was a terrible candidate and the democrats should've supported a real progressive" crowd still won't care.
Love how the media is already saying he sounds more presidential. They fall for it every time. They're completely unfit to cover this presidency.
I don't really get how essentially taking a "fuck your shit, and oh well" approach to a legitimate problem sounds presidential.
I've often wondered about that myself; seems like being supported by people who only want you there so the world can end in fire (with you going to Hell in the process) would be somewhat off-putting
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I don't really get how essentially taking a "fuck your shit, and oh well" approach to a legitimate problem sounds presidential.
He didn't grab Leslie Stahl by the pussy, so he already beat low expectations.
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How did we get from the election to members mansplaining to women why they're wrong about issues that concern women?
Because the election, as in the UK, emboldened scumbags.
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Did anybody catch that 60 Minute interview with President-Elect Donald Trump talking about how he's going to appoint a pro-life judge(s) to the Supreme Court and if the legalization of aborition is overturned on the federal level then so be it!?
And then he was asked wouldn't that mean women living in certain states wouldn't be able to get an abortion do you know what he said?
'They'd just have to just to go to another state then.'
I mean, I knew this was his view but the more he states it and the closer he gets to the presidency the dumber and more realistic it sounds.
Is there any site containing the full interview? I would like to watch that tomorrow.
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Oh, hey Monkey-chan! You've been gone for a few days, so nice of you to rejoin us! Finished quietly pouting over Trump winning, I presume? Nice to have you back.
I'm happy you've finally found yourself something to laugh about. Glad to see you back in top form. :happy:
This is the most mad I've seen you, so I assume that yes, in fact you are very much starting to feel like a sucker lol.
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Which have been done by pretty much every single party involved in the conflict. Including the ones that received weapons from the US.
He´s not leaving while being supported by Russia. So what´s the solution for you?
And the war's not ending while he's there. So what's the solution for you?
Defeat Isis, leave rebel groups to progressively get pushed back until the Assad military regains control of the territory and proceeding to have small pockets of resistance in the North/Northwest of the country pulling some guerrilla kind of thing for decades?
Guerrilla activity will be throughout the entire country in the event of the Russian/Iranian/Hezbollah military winning the war for the dessicated Assad military that they're propping up. ….is what will happened in your scenario. That's not a suggestion or plan. That's the reality of your "solution".
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You aren´t showing me anything new. Only that according to you I should ignore the numbers below that and other typed of crimes commited since Assad did it worse.
Guerrilla activity will be throughout the entire country in the event of the Russian/Iranian/Hezbollah military winning the war for the dessicated Assad military that they're propping up. ….is what will happened in your scenario. That's not a suggestion or plan. That's the reality of your "solution".
You have no solution.That´s because it wasn´t supposed to be a solution or a plan. Only context.
"Who knows, maybe Trump and Putin can work something out cuz why not? The last few months just keep going agaist what I´m expecting."
"Lol no"
"Ok Monkey King, don´t think your future to be president can do anything in this scenario."
"You got no plan"Cool
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Is there any site containing the full interview? I would like to watch that tomorrow.
http://www.cbsnews.com/videos/60-minutes-interview-president-elect-donald-trump/
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http://www.cbsnews.com/videos/60-minutes-interview-president-elect-donald-trump/
Ah thanks.
Anyone knows a way to turn this into a sound file?
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Kaepernick's motivation for not voting for Hillary or Trump had nothing to do with this so called movement though. He chose not to vote because he thought both were shite candidates and neither would've done anything to address the problems he was speaking out against. And even then his vote wouldn't have effected anything one way or the other since Trump wasn't going to win California.
And yet you buy into the whole idea of both being terrible candidates which is what many of those 47% who didn't vote based their decision on. You can't say both are awful candidates and then turn around and not condemn people who chose not to vote for that very reason. Those two views conflict with each other.
…....Kaepernick had never said anything as far as I know about voting, and most people didn't really care about it. So I don't why anyone would feel betrayed by his actions or lack there of. Especially as California wasn't a decisive state in this race anyway.
The majority of people who are blasting Kaepernick for not voting are blasting him for not even voting on local and state matters. If I was in his shoes I would vote for people both in state and in the county I work and live in so I know who I can talk to on matters and issues I care about. But if you don't care about your own community to try and vote people in to help your cause then you have people asking "why should we care about your cause?"
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You aren´t showing me anything new. Only that according to you I should ignore the numbers below that and other typed of crimes commited since Assad did it worse.
Are you going to actually make me explain to you what the meaning of the word "worse" is. And the significance of a percentage of 96%? Because that's basically what you're forcing me to do here.
Just giving a heads up as I don't want to be painted as being deliberately condescending or anything. This is what you are comfortable with me making as my next point to you? This is what you want to have to be said?That´s because it wasn´t supposed to be a solution or a plan. Only context.
Its not context, nor explanation. That's what I've given. You straight up said ideas that you thought would end the conflict. And they were incorrect and badly naive or uninformed about the war.
"Who knows, maybe Trump and Putin can work something out cuz why not? The last few months just keep going agaist what I´m expecting."
Or we can go with your actual quotes which aren't that.
"So instead of cooperating with Russia" So yes, cooperating. Not negotiating, cooperating.
And also full denial and/or ignorance of what Russia's goals in Syria are in even your fake quote here.
Russia does not want or need to negotiatie."and maybe being able to serve has an intermediary between Syria and those rebel groups at a certain point," Displaying intense naivte and ignorance both at once, because you haven't looked at the attempts thus far and seen the patterns therein (or also the negotiation attempts in Ukraine.
Hint: Russia is freely shattering and breaking agreements because Russia has no reason to stop given the circumstances. In fact the only thing being held over their heads that they might be convinced over is sanctions. Which Trump has expressed opposition to.
So really it all comes precisely back to the entire Trump relation with Putin being letting Russia do whatever it wants. Not negotiation. Not taking a tough line with them. Not actually bettering relations."Ok Monkey King, don´t think your future to be president can do anything in this scenario."
"He´s not leaving while being supported by Russia. So what´s the solution for you?" Which is a passive aggressive non-argument where you are basically suggesting that since you "offered" the Assad based "solution", that somehow I need to create an entire plan, and that if I don't, that yours is legit. This is not how reality or logic works.
And so ironically..""You got no plan"
Is what you said.
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I dont trust any information about assad when it comes to syria for now because from usa and europe side they make it good for rebels and iran and russia make it like assad is a good person
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Are you going to actually make me explain to you what the meaning of the word "worse" is. And the significance of a percentage of 96%? Because that's basically what you're forcing me to do here.
Just giving a heads up as I don't want to be painted as being deliberately condescending or anything. This is what you are comfortable with me making as my next point to you? This is what you want to have to be said?You don´t need to. You are the one asking me to ignore atrocities a group as done because another group commited them more. I know Assad did more.
Its not context, nor explanation. That's what I've given. You straight up said ideas that you thought would end the conflict. And they were incorrect and badly naive or uninformed about the war.
I´m genuinely trying to understand how from "So instead of cooperating with Russia and maybe being able to serve has an intermediary between Syria and those rebel groups at a certain point, US should just get out of the situation and what exactly?" in reply to "If ISIS isn't there then he has to find a new reason to bow to Russian interests in the area. Nominally there would be no purpose to allying with Assad" you managed to take that I had an idea on how to end the conflict.
That´s why I wrote "at a certain point". The war won´t keep going forever and there may or may not come to a point where the parties involved might want to at least enter in contact with one another. You say it won´t. That´s perfectly fine, I tend to stay optimistic regarding eventual peaceful solution to wars. I´ll not apologize for that.
Hint: Russia is freely shattering and breaking agreements because Russia has no reason to stop given the circumstances. In fact the only thing being held over their heads that they might be convinced over is sanctions. Which Trump has expressed opposition to.
So really it all comes precisely back to the entire Trump relation with Putin being letting Russia do whatever it wants. Not negotiation. Not taking a tough line with them. Not actually bettering relations.After 4 or so posts from each, I finally can extract something meaningful from this.
Or we can go with your actual quotes which aren't that.
They aren´t supposed to be, they are supposed to simplify, or if you want, dumbify what is in the first place a dumb exchange.
Which is a passive aggressive non-argument where you are basically suggesting that since you "offered" the Assad based "solution", that somehow I need to create an entire plan, and that if I don't, that yours is legit. This is not how reality or logic works.
And so ironically..
Is what you said.
Lol the point of the discussion in which Monkey King starts telling people what they actually said.
I´ll just close this here, since the discussion will enter a field which is simply not fit for this thread, but I seriously believe you have some sort of issue which causes you to overanalyze you every single simply thing people tell or ask you. That´s the only way I can find to justify that bad habit of yours to break down the most simply of posts into a ton of quotes and proceed to make to sort of thesis regarding every single word written. It´s not even healthy for the discussion since many times you are just breaking down someones logic and decontextualizing what they said into a lot of tiny pieces that make no sense separated.
Either this or you are just looking for petty conflict, which I won´t get in to since I don´t want to be thread banned.
I was interested in your opinion on how this could have potentially developed. It was a simple question. I´m not playing any dumb mind game to make my statements or opinions more validated than yours.
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Hillary was responsible for destroying the Middle East political order, so hopefully Trump can fix it. In any event Assad isn't going anywhere.
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Hillary was responsible for destroying the Middle East political order, so hopefully Trump can fix it. In any event Assad isn't going anywhere.
shitshow in middleeast is because of many stupid things combined its not just hillary
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The only thing Hillary intervened in was the Lybian civil war and that isn't even the Middle-East. And also the intervention was spearheaded by France and Britain.
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If Hillary destroyed the middle east political order pray tell what Bush & Cheney did.
I've often wondered about that myself; seems like being supported by people who only want you there so the world can end in fire (with you going to Hell in the process) would be somewhat off-putting
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Bush and Cheney did bad. However, they didn't actively work to undermine several governments at once, empower violent Islamists all over the region, threaten war with Russia over Syria/Crimea, or cause a "refugee crisis" that threatens to destroy Europe.
That's kind of a lot worse.
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Final episode of Last Week Tonight for the year and the show decided to upload the entire episode on youtube.
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Stay focused, cause right now you have a decision to make. Are you a man perpetually looking back at what he’s lost, or a man looking forward, to what he might become?
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@Bilbo:
Bush and Cheney did bad. However, they didn't actively work to undermine several governments at once, empower violent Islamists all over the region, threaten war with Russia over Syria/Crimea, or cause a "refugee crisis" that threatens to destroy Europe.
That's kind of a lot worse.
Well sure…...if most of those points were true and didn't come off as so sensationilist, with a dash of "those people and things are bad but Hillary is still worse" thrown in for good measure.
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You don´t need to. You are the one asking me to ignore atrocities a group as done because another group commited them more. I know Assad did more.
This is the most blatant example of being willfully dense I think I've seen on AP.
Do you think pretending to be blind to the most basic of points means you get to ignore it? Do the usual thing and just stop responding altogether lol. This is super embarrassing to watch.That´s why I wrote "at a certain point". The war won´t keep going forever and there may or may not come to a point where the parties involved might want to at least enter in contact with one another. You say it won´t. That´s perfectly fine, I tend to stay optimistic regarding eventual peaceful solution to wars. I´ll not apologize for that.
It won't ever come to a point where the groups will want to contact with each-other as long as Assad is around.
If he's winning, which is the scenario you're talking about, why the hell would they begin talks.
His strategy the entire war has been total war against the opposition, from when it was just protest crowds, into the current circumstance.
There has never been a conflict of break-downable relations or anything of the sort.
Assad is a petty tinpot dictator who has a complete and total "me or the country" attitude toward the conflict. And the more upper hand he has, the worse that attitude gets. Russian backing means he doesn't even have to worry about consequences from the international community either.
There is potential talks to be made if the regime changed character some, namely him departing or dying, but that isn't the scenario you're bringing to the table now is it.Optimism whatever it may be, still needs to operate off the facts on the ground. And your optimism is displaying someone who has not been paying attention at all.
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Hillary was responsible for destroying the Middle East political order, so hopefully Trump can fix it. In any event Assad isn't going anywhere.
You've already revealed yourself to be a simpleton who is likely to end up thread banned for responding to long posts with 8th grade memes.
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@Bilbo:
However, they didn't actively work to undermine several governments at once, empower violent Islamists all over the region, threaten war with Russia over Syria/Crimea, or cause a "refugee crisis" that threatens to destroy Europe.
That's kind of a lot worse.
That's kind of a lot of evidence you are a low information voter.
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@Monkey:
The US will fall when the Tri-State Conservative voltron fully builds.
New York Trump has installed the New Jersey Christie into his left arm socket.
Now he awaits Linda McMahon or someone, I don't know all our republicans are basically non-mormon versions of romney, we don't have the colorful big mouths.^ Posted March 4 2016
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In the middle of the east, where it don't snow
There's a whole lotta nothing that this guy knows
With his 4chan memes, and his RT scoop
He's asking to get dunked on like a b-ball hoopBilbo (Bilbo!), Bilbo Baggins.
He don't know shit at all!
Bilbo (Bilbo!), Bilbo Baggins.
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So much for ending cronyism.
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Linda ended up running so much to the left of Romney that she was releasing commercials where she was talking about great Obama is.
So yeah, thats in keeping with Trump's insanely random actions since he won. Breitbart garbage person, and Linda in the same day? Yeah lol.SAKONOSOLO TRIGGER WARNING Calling racist person garbage. /SAKONOSOLO TRIGGER WARNING
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@Monkey:
In the middle of the east, where it don't snow
There's a whole lotta nothing that this guy knows
With his 4chan memes, and his RT scoop
He's asking to get dunked on like a b-ball hoopBilbo (Bilbo!), Bilbo Baggins.
He don't know shit at all!
Bilbo (Bilbo!), Bilbo Baggins.
The most clueless little Hobbit of them all~So this kind of blatant flaming and insulting is just accepted here?
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@Bilbo:
So this kind of blatant flaming and insulting is just accepted here?
its not like we can do anything
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@Bilbo:
So this kind of blatant flaming and insulting is just accepted here?
I don't know. Is posting memes in response to long (actually it wasn't even long lol) posts that include racial slurs accepted?
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meme master king, dank as heck hyuck hyuck, not reading that lol, look at all this careeee
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OH MY GOD, IS THIS PLACE THE WILD WEST??? SOMEONE HELP ME, MOTHER OF GOD.
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meme master king, dank as heck hyuck hyuck, not reading that lol, look at all this careeee
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OH MY GOD, IS THIS PLACE THE WILD WEST??? SOMEONE HELP ME, MOTHER OF GOD.
Yeah this pretty much sums up how weird the thread has gotten over the last week.
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Complicating things since 2009.
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@Bilbo:
So this kind of blatant flaming and insulting is just accepted here?
Agreed with Ubiq's point as well, that was an awful meme. Do not post racial slurs.
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Hard to believe it's already been three years since the last Presidential Election; last time we had a 200+ page thread so let's see what this debacle will bring.
Simpler times .
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Final episode of Last Week Tonight for the year and the show decided to upload the entire episode on youtube.
I don't know why it took me so long especially since I've seen every video he has put out on Youtube so far. Probably because he has so many, but anyway, today I subscribed. Add me to the list of 4,000,000+.
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sigh This is going to take a while. And now I have to deal with a co-worker who thinks Trump isn't racist, sexist, or homophobic. And she thinks the wall is a good idea.
