It's this very reason that my hope is lost altogether. If I'm correct, we're in for very dark times… Where the Republicans doesn't have to try to cover up being hateful anymore.
I think we'll more likely see Trump go head to head with the Republican congress on every issue imaginable. He's an outsider who refuses to compromise, and will readily abuse/fire his employees.
I've got a question…. with his trial for fraud this month, is it possible that Trump gets impeached and its Pence that we have to deal with afterwards?
I beg to differ.
Both sides have been pretty nasty towards the other. At least that's been my experience on the boards I frequent.
In general yes, but I was talking about AP specifically.
@Cyan:
Upshot: 2018 and 2020 are going to be our rebound.
Downshot: The next two years are going to have Americans subjected to whatever horrors Trump, Roberts, McConnell, and Ryan can cook up.
I've heard that the 2018 map really favors Republicans though. And with voter suppression likely to be in full swing in the next 4 years I don't think they'll come back unless they figure out what the hell went wrong besides things that were out of their control, like Comey and the media. I don't know if America will have buyers remorse in 4 years or be able to even change anything by then, but I don't think there's any big-picture upshot for the time being. I can definitely say that Trump won't fix shit in any of the rust belt states that voted him in though.
Really, USA?
I think we'll more likely see Trump go head to head with the Republican congress on every issue imaginable. He's an outsider who refuses to compromise, and will readily abuse/fire his employees.
That is basically the only saving grace of him winning. Getting Trump to cooperate is very hard. He's narcissistic the unreasonable levels and the GOP seem to want everything to go their way as well.
Whether to storm for 2 years. Hope Democrats win the Senate in 2 years and then block for 2 years if he's shown to be horrible.
It's all a little french revolution isn't it? Tone deaf ruling class grossly misjudging their situation and being caught entirely off guard. Why that angry horde of peasant would never storm our fortress, oh dear god there are pitchforks and ill-fitting peasant clothes everywhere!
Trump is more in the center of the political spectrum believe it or not, even with his weird…racial rants and the like. Be more concerned about the other branches of government being Republican, and Mr. Mike "Gay Conversion Therapy is Ok" Pence.
Really, USA?
How are things in Lithuanian media right now? Russia could have pretty much free hands in the baltics now that Trump has won.
I am sort of used to "Who else but X" election attitudes in Russia, but how was this choice even allowed to be made.
Clinton beat Sanders by 4 million votes and in most states. She won that contest handily. Anyone saying Sanders would have more easily won doesn't know anything beyond trying to get in an "I told you so", because obviously none of us know anything.
It does seem like some people feared a Clinton vs. Trump scenario.
This article is from February, and. . .half of the stuff predicted in it did happen during the Clinton vs. Trump confrontations.
I am sort of used to "Who else but X" election attitudes in Russia, but how was this choice even allowed to be made.
Ignoring the blatant anti-PC people and racists, it mainly comes from the media doing their best to smear campaign Clinton for the sake of an exciting race of "equal" candidates. Not paying truly enough attention to policy, or in some cases a lack of them.
So many people got tired of how D.C. is they wanted "change". They wanted it so badly they put in Trump. They didn't care at all about what type of person he truly is. He was different and that was enough.
Combine that with dumbasses getting in their head with the mentality of "the lesser evil", or "they're both just as bad" and we've ended up here.
Probably one of the biggest upset in modern history.
Hillary her campaign and the democrats failed that all it comes down to in the end. Blaming the electorate is all good but,many of those who didn't vote for hillary were swing voters.The blame of not getting those votes should rest entirely on the losers.
Hillary wasn't the right candidate,democrats should learn their lessons from what happened today and act accordingly.
So my friend just bet 20 beers against me that Trump would jail Clinton. What do you think my odds are for winning this one?
The Republicans better hope these 4 years are pretty spotless (i.e. falling into recession…again), or they are fucked in 2020, especially if Democrats choose a cult of personality like Trump.
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So my friend just bet 20 beers against me that Trump would jail Clinton. What do you think my odds are for winning this one?
No. Won't happen.
Kanye West 2020? God no
You just won/lost 20 beers. (Which side did you pick?)
To clarify: he believes Trump will see her jailed, I don't.
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@The:
The Republicans better hope these 4 years are pretty spotless (i.e. falling into recession…again), or they are fucked in 2020, especially if Democrats choose a cult of personality like Trump.
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No. Won't happen.
You mean I won't win or she won't be jailed?
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You mean I won't win or she won't be jailed?
She won't be jailed.
So my friend just bet 20 beers against me that Trump would jail Clinton. What do you think my odds are for winning this one?
The House and Senate won't let that happen because then everyone is fair game
Kanye West 2020? God no
kanye west is at least tolerant to gays and black people. he would actually be better than trump
Well, needless to say I'm disappointed with the outcome. Very disappointed, in fact.
A few months ago, I told myself I was going to leave the country if Trump won. I even bought a passport. And now that it's finally happened, well…I guess I won't. Yes, there's been a lot of talk about the reemergence of fascism and that Trump is going to ruin this country, but I'll just have to hope and believe that our system will work. There will be setbacks, I'm sure, but ultimately our country will survive (plus, I'm too lazy to move to Australia).
As Gandhi once said:
"When I despair, I remember that all through history the ways of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants, and murderers, and for a time they can seem invincible, but in the end they always fall. Think of it--always"
This is the first time since 1928 that the GOP controls all branches of government. And people are still saying checks and balances will stop Trump.
No, they won't.
And there won't be a democratic resurgence in 2018 either, if only because the map is horrible for them that year.
How are things in Lithuanian media right now? Russia could have pretty much free hands in the baltics now that Trump has won.
Not too different from anywhere else. Right now the media is full of nervously laughing politicians claming they know people who know people who know Trump.
And that nothing will be changing.
Much.
Ignoring the blatant anti-PC people and racists, it mainly comes from the media doing their best to smear campaign Clinton for the sake of an exciting race of "equal" candidates. Not paying truly enough attention to policy, or in some cases a lack of them.
So many people got tired of how D.C. is they wanted "change". They wanted it so badly they put in Trump. They didn't care at all about what type of person he truly is. He was different and that was enough.
Combine that with dumbasses getting in their head with the mentality of "the lesser evil", or "they're both just as bad" and we've ended up here.
As sad and petty all of these sentiments are, it is, well, understandable. However, it is not the voters reasoning I am questioning, but the establishment's acceptance of the candidate who is so much different from the establishment. You would think somebody like that could not even reach the primaries let alone take the whole thing.
As a woman I am glad I don't live in America right now. Trump is a clown but what truly scares me is the people behind him.
Johnson votes came from Trump though.
Kanye West 2020? God no
Kanye west vs Alex Jones
man im so hyped for 2020 Presidential election
Wasn't it establish that Johnson took more from Trump than Clinton on average?
How are things in Lithuanian media right now? Russia could have pretty much free hands in the baltics now that Trump has won.
I would be feeling sorry for USA, if not for the fact that this might give Putin the greenlight to help himself to my place, which makes me pissed instead. I mean, it's not like countries in Russia's desired "sphere of influence" were safe and guarded before, but now the risk is heightened.
So yeah,
Americans,
You had one job.
If you look at where Johnson's voters came from then you know they weren't going to go for Hillary.
Is there actual proof that Johnson took from Trump? GOP voters are extremely loyal, even white women convincingly voted for him. Very hard to believe there'd be people voting for Johnson.
Thanks to the Great Decider Chief Justice John Roberts and his execution of the Voting Rights Act with Shelby County, voter turnout was down by around 7 million and voter suppression in North Carolina probably handed it to Trump.
This cabinet is gonna be our worst nightmare
http://www.politico.com/story/2016/11/who-is-in-president-trump-cabinet-231071
Twitter was joking about it only a few days ago
The depressing thing is that Defense Secretary is the place Jeff Sessions could do the least amount of harm.
-Protests in California and people saying "Trump is not MY president". Setting things on fire and yelling "fuck Donald Trump"
Yeah, I understand…to a point.
After we're done throwing our little hissy-fit can we try and not act like the people we made fun of 4 and 8 years ago. Sure, you can say Trump doesn't represent "me" and my beliefs but, yeah, he kinda does and in a big way. He's our president. He's the guy in charge, the leader of affairs both foreign and domestic, and whether you like it or not our main representative. Whether you voted for him or not it's not going to change the reality of the situation. And after we're done blaming Bernie Sanders, 3rd parties, the media, racists, sexists, independents, moderates, and everyone but Hillary Clinton for her loss can we can just swallow the hard truth that we all just got Donald Trump as our president?!
Because that shit still hasn't fully sank in yet.
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And I'm not saying some of the above people aren't to blame for Donald Trump winning the election (Hint: It ain't Bernie) but let's not get stupid.
California was the one place where Clinton did significantly better than Obama, again mostly due to Trump's weakness among college-educated white women.
This cabinet is gonna be our worst nightmare
http://www.politico.com/story/2016/11/who-is-in-president-trump-cabinet-231071
Twitter was joking about it only a few days ago
Secretary of State****Former House Speaker Newt Gingrich, a leading Trump supporter, is a candidate for the job, I really did not want to read past this point.
Johnson got 280K votes in Texas, mostly in the west and pandhandle. Do YOU think they would have voted Hillary?
EDIT: Oh yeah, and Johnson cost Trump Colorado.
I wish Clinton'a concession speech didn't have to be given, but I thought it was an incredibly graceful and forward-looking one considering what has happened these 18 months… and yesterday. Also good of her to remind Donald Trump "don't take a dump on the constitution" right before he does so for the next 4 years.
Well done.
Your now Brexit stupid.
For those who wrote in another person, or sat out the election. I hope you can feel good about yourself.
Your long night has begun.
Working process.
Trump actually won with less votes than Romney in 2012.
When you hear someone complain about Trump your first two questions should be, "We're you registered to vote?", then proceed to ask them "Did you vote?".
If they were registered and chose not to vote they shouldn't complain.
