Luffy isn't just going to get the one attack on Dofla and that's it.
There's gonna be epic fight leading to it.
Still hoping for the cutting strings and the string stop which will be a great cliff hanger
Luffy isn't just going to get the one attack on Dofla and that's it.
There's gonna be epic fight leading to it.
Still hoping for the cutting strings and the string stop which will be a great cliff hanger
As in he was nowhere to be seen and then suddenly appeared.
it's a manga….it's for dramatics....
So devil fruits and haki have time limits lol..I'm making a logical conclusion that ancient weapons, seastone, and sword durability are next in line for plot treatments
Sword durability has been solved with Haki.
I like how doflamingo ability never runs out
About haki and number of uses: I thought the original concept was that you have to concentrate to use haki, and it connected to you willpower. Like in Marinefold when WB tried to save Ace, but he coudn't because of his illness prevented him to focus his CoC.
Yes, and if you focus too much on something then you tire out. The more you focus, the faster it happens, like Luffy did by using a lot of haki in order to maintain Gear 4 state.
Just curious, who all thinks that Burgess and Sabo will actually fight to a finish? We've already seen them fight before, before Sabo's powerup of course, and they were pretty much even. It stands to reason that Sabo should have the edge now, so, if that is the case, do we really think Burgess will stay around and get defeated? Personally, I think he's going to run. I said this during the tournament, and I'll say it again now: If Burgess is to be one of the final obstacles on the way to Raftel, he can't be beaten here. It will lessen the impact of when he is later.
And of course, Sabo can't lose, That'd be terrible writing.
So devil fruits and haki have time limits lol..I'm making a logical conclusion that ancient weapons, seastone, and sword durability are next in line for plot treatments
Haki is willpower , chi ,ki etc etc i mean everyone should expect you can't spam it .
Also i don't see where DF have a time limit but if you get tired it is going to effect how you fight DF or not.
Chapter is definitely good because of Burgess jumping down from the castle like a little kid having a great time, and obviously because of Gatz bringing Meadows and co. back.
I think visually it was a pretty good moment when Luffy ran out of juice and crashed against the wall, and how it seems like he can't even control his body's ruberness/sturdyness (his arm seems to unvoluntarily bend just by trying to stand up from the floor). Doffy standing back up was pretty cool too.
And I can't even get mad at Sabo anymore, this time it was foreshadowed so much I was expecting it. . .what I hope is Burgess at least putting up some sort of fight. I hoped Koala would at least give a kick or two in, but evidently Oda has no intentions to make her fight for now.
It seems the fight will end with another Gear 4 moment, which I can't say I'm too happy about. I hoped Luffy and Doffy would end this in a mano a mano, Z movie style, pummeling each other, but it seems we won't have that.
Chapter felt definitelt short, though.
Sabo helping Luffy was anticipated yea, but Burgess had no idea that Sabo would be there so it's again the "villain caught by surprise" thing. I'm really hoping that Burgess next chapter will stand up and teach Sabo a lesson, it would really help since at this point Sabo is estabilished as a "megasuper strong dude", so having Burgess stomp him won't erase that notion anyway.
Regardless of Koala telling him, he still arrived out of nowhere at the last second to save Luffy.
As in he was nowhere to be seen and then suddenly appeared.
No, but he didn't necessarily have to appear in Dressrosa, did he?
This happens all the time in manga/anime, its not a Sabo thing…
Sure but I dont see any problem with him appearing in Dressorsa.
@Nex:
Just curious, who all thinks that Burgess and Sabo will actually fight to a finish?
I dont think it will have a finish, I also don't think either of them is going to stomp each other, I see Sabo getting the upper hand but I dont think Burgess will get beaten.
Regardless of Koala telling him, he still arrived out of nowhere at the last second to save Luffy.
As in he was nowhere to be seen and then suddenly appeared.
That's actually one of the few believable things. We already know that anybody who is well anybody can move incredibly fast especially with the CP9 techniques. What was not beleivable was Luffy and all the commanders needing like basically hours to cross the what was it 500 meters or something to reach Ace. Every single time there is a need for drama Oda seems to magically forge that heroes can move fast and they got a a turtle pace. It's just one of the flaws of One Pice we have to get used to.
Regardless of Koala telling him, he still arrived out of nowhere at the last second to save Luffy.
As in he was nowhere to be seen and then suddenly appeared.
To be fair that's exactly what Burgess did to kill Luffy. And Sabo was maybe two seconds behind.
@Nex:
Really hard to argue that he came out of nowhere this time considering how long ago Koala alerted Sabo to Burgess' presence.
He was nowhere to be seen and then appeared suddenly to save the day.
I'm not annoyed at Sabo appearing at all, I'm annoyed at the fashion of his entrance.
@Nex:
Also, he was equal to Ace when they were kids, so it's safe to assume, considering who he was essentially raised by, that before the time skip he was still equal to Ace, who was already able to fight Akainu if not evenly, then well, and, thusly, it's not a reach that he, Sabo the Revolutionary Chief of Staff, would be pretty fracking powerful.
I don't have an issue with him being powerful, that's to be expected.
I have an issue with other characters being compromised by Oda's need to have him protected since it's so soon after his re-debut.
Mainly Burgess, although tearing Bastille's mask off his face wasn't great either.
@Nex:
Sabo being this strong will only become an issue if he remains a constant presence in the series, much like it would have been if Ace had hung around. But, once again, like with Ace, I doubt that will happen.
Very true.
Sabo helping Luffy was anticipated yea, but Burgess had no idea that Sabo would be there so it's again the "villain caught by surprise" thing. I'm really hoping that Burgess next chapter will stand up and teach Sabo a lesson, it would really help since at this point Sabo is estabilished as a "megasuper strong dude", so having Burgess stomp him won't erase that notion anyway.
I don't expect Burgess to "teach him a lesson" at all. . .but I hope he can keep up with him long enough for their fight to end unconcluded. A Sabo vs. Fujitora scenario would be my wish for this; we get two see a couple of big attacks and they keep fighting in the background after that, and once everything's finished on the island they stop fighting cause "this is tiresome and getting nowhere; I'll see you again in the future, fire boy, your fruit will be mine! Muahahahahahaha!"; smoke bomb and good bye.
It was an okay chapter, but the thing with Luffy's haki is pathetic. You need to regenerate haki? Do you have an exact number which could run out after some uses? Really, Oda?
What do you mean, I don't see anything wrong with haki having it's own limits. Weren't we already hinted that this will happen during previous chapters, when Law and Doflamingo noted on how Luffy is using too much haki and won't last? It's the logical outcome.
Agreed, after all, isn't haki suppose to be about willpower? More like an expression of will. I see it like using a muscle, you can will it to lift a weight for so long but then you need to rest to recuperate/refocus.
However I agree that it's kinda convenient that Luffy need 10 minutes to get his haki back in shape.
ITs just as odd as other weird things in OP like the King Punch needing exactly 1 hour to charge up.
Only for a certain period of time apparently.
No. If you hold Haki over all surfaces of your body its going to drain quick.
As soon as Dofla stops using Haki for example it will begin to regenerate. He's smart, he will activate where the hits come from
So no.
That's weird. Why would Blackbeard need a piece of shit DF like Gomu Gomu no mi? I thought that the fruit is crap and that Luffy is just making it work through his talent as a fighter. Just look at all of his gears, regardless of their power they're self-damaging techniques.
What if the book of devil fruits contains the effects of the awakened fruit and luffys fruit has a god like power?
BB is a yonkou and Burgess is a commander of his. We don't enough to say that Burgess can't harm him but I am leaning to the side that Sabo is stronger than Burgess especially after their class of haki and no sabo's DF powerup.
Blackbeard just became a Yonko and he has 2 of the most powerful devil fruits to ever exist. He cannot be compared to Burgess. Even two years ago, Burgess was not that special in terms of power. You're right about us not having any definite proof that Burgess couldn't injure Sabo, but what kind sense would it make for him to be able to do something like that so easily from a small scuffle? If Sabo can hold off an admiral, and Burgess can give Sabo a great fight and hurt him so easily, that would mean that Burgess could do something similar and that would make no sense.
Regardless of Koala telling him, he still arrived out of nowhere at the last second to save Luffy.
As in he was nowhere to be seen and then suddenly appeared.
No, but he didn't necessarily have to appear in Dressrosa, did he?
If he didn't appear now he would have appeared "randomly" in another arc and guess what he'd be doing in another arc? Oh, that's right, saving his brother. You can't really run away from that fact it will happen whether you like it or not. Maybe it's time to accept it once and for all, or do you need to revisit the chapter where he pretty much tells Fujitora (and us the readers) that regardless of his position or whatever mission he is undergoing or wherever he may be, if Luffy is in trouble he will come running? Something he was unable to do for Ace.
Looks like we have a spirit bomb situation. Because if the entire Strawhat Gang could ascend a hundred foot tall tower, disable the two snipers posted in it, and disarm a bomb, all in the span of ten seconds, then Ten Minutes is enough time for Doflamingo to go drop a deuce, read a chapter in his favorite book, and go for a short walk before coming up and finishing off Luffy.
Next week, the final countdown. Who will rise from the top? Dolfa or Luffy? Place your bet money on the winner mates?
He was nowhere to be seen and then appeared suddenly to save the day.
I'm not annoyed at Sabo appearing at all, I'm annoyed at the fashion of his entrance.
But Burgess appear the same sabo did out of no where but the fight had already move.
Of course he going to be untouchable he might be the second strongest person on the island right now.
Burgess and him were displayed as roughly as strong in the arena.
Yet when push comes to shove, it's always Burgess taking the hit, not Sabo.
I'm of the opinion that Burgess is in the long run, a more important character, and should be at least evening up with Sabo in terms of points scored.
He high up in the revs , also we know he was going to save luffy as soon as he got that call.
Again, it's not that he came to save Luffy.
It's the fashion in which he did so.
Luffy has run out of willpower.. So does that mean Luffy will faint if he was hit with a CoC blast.
Cause you know, people with weaker will are more vulnerable to CoC.
Sarcastic but serious question.
Loved the chapter
Luffy can't stop bouncing is so fucking hilarious.
And well there is a heavy backdraw as well after Gear 4.
Burgess and Sabo getting into a fight… I hope people who understimate Burgess will be shutted down. And DoFla really is a boss
I'm satisfied
This happens all the time in manga/anime, its not a Sabo thing…
Sure but I dont see any problem with him appearing in Dressorsa.
I dont think it will have a finish, I also don't think either of them is going to stomp each other, I see Sabo getting the upper hand but I dont think Burgess will get beaten.
I disagree, I think Burgess is going to get smacked around like a chump, considering Sabo's armament haki is one of the strongest we've seen in display in one piece and the fact that burgess hasn't shown to have armament (not saying he doesn't but hasn't even displayed it yet so how does he stand a chance to put up a fight? Especially against one of the craziest abilities that is the Mera Mera)
Weird cover page request, but wow, Law really doesn't like bread.
This was a good chapter and it was a chapter that we logically had to have.
We've known since the start of the Family battles that there are all these characters sitting things out and this brings them all into play. They don't have to beat Dofla, just buy Luffy that ten minutes he needs to catch his breath. That works for me.
This chapter may even have given a boost to the Gatz fanship in the character rounds this year.
And Burgess finally making his move only to be countered by Sabo brings these two loose pieces into things. Which I'm really looking forward to.
It won't surprise me if the Colossuem fighters can only buy Luffy half of what he needs and Fujitora finally feels the need to step into things. Maybe even explaining his actions so far. That would be nice.
I can see those who just want Dressrosa to be over finding these events stretching out the final fight to be tiresome but as I said, works for me.
@DHL:
No. If you hold Haki over all surfaces of your body its going to drain quick.
As soon as Dofla stops using Haki for example it will begin to regenerate. He's smart, he will activate where the hits come from
So no.
So yes, imagine Zoro going head to head with Mihawk over a long period of time, eventually one will tire and temporaily loose haki ability thus making their sword vulnerable to damage/breaking.
I disagree, I think Burgess is going to get smacked around like a chump, considering Sabo's armament haki is one of the strongest we've seen in display in one piece and the fact that burgess hasn't shown to have armament (not saying he doesn't but hasn't even displayed it yet so how does he stand a chance to put up a fight? Especially against one of the craziest abilities that is the Mera Mera)
Yes he does, we saw it in the first clash between Sabo/Burgess - he used his haki hardening on his armour, Sabo used dragon claw, they clashed, his armour on his elbow shattered…
It seems the fight will end with another Gear 4 moment, which I can't say I'm too happy about. I hoped Luffy and Doffy would end this in a mano a mano, Z movie style, pummeling each other, but it seems we won't have that.
I hoped for that too… With luffy struggling to evade doffy and doffy struggling to stay conscious from all the damage... Not that 10 minutes interruption!
@DHL:
Still hoping for the cutting strings and the string stop which will be a great cliff hanger
Now would have been a nice time to do that right?
So that means if zoro kinemon and kanjuro attack the birdcage in the next 10 minutes they will automatically fail? Otherwise not threat no more… No drama. What are they going to do so long?
Could someone please explain how the f*** Gear 4 works?? what muscle fusen has to do with increasing elasticity?????
He only appeared out of nowhere on his first appearance. He was forshadowed to appear in front of Fujitora and Burgess. Koala told him to come to the palace several chapters ago. She also informed him of what Burgess was about to do when he jumped down from the palace.
One more time, I'm not criticizing Sabo turning up, espeicallty since Koala did inform him of Burgess' movement.
It's the cliched last gasp save stuff.
Ruining Burgess's plans isn't a goal of his. To win the Mera Mera fruit, he had to beat him to the punch to begin with. They were in a competition. Now, all he's doing is protecting his little brother.
He's still been getting Burgess' way and compromising his legitimacy as a character, regardless of whether it's his intention, in-story.
Aside from Fujitora, who has he fought besides the fodder Diamante and Burgess, who he hadn't even had a serious battle with and who he just kicked off guard? He's the 2nd in command of the revos who can fend off an admiral. It's be awful if a scrub like Diamante and a henchman like Burgess could seriously injure him.
Diamante not getting to him, I can take that.
Outside of this arc, Diamante will have no major role in this manga.
Burgess on the other hand, is a member of the final villain's crew, and is in my opinion more important to the overall story than Sabo is.
He should be protected better, or at the very least, get one of over on Sabo at some point.
Knowing Oda. He'll make two more chapters of the gladiators getting their asses kicked by Dolfa, than Luffy will gain back his Haki back just to finish him off once and for all!
I think Burgess just tried to use the opportunity to kill a future problem of his boss. Now with too much resistance he will back out. As already said, throw some punches with Sabo (do some unfair moves) and leaving the island with what he has right now asap, when the cage goes down. It's the BB way.
Agreed, after all, isn't haki suppose to be about willpower? More like an expression of will. I see it like using a muscle, you can will it to lift a weight for so long but then you need to rest to recuperate/refocus.
ITs just as odd as other weird things in OP like the King Punch needing exactly 1 hour to charge up.
I'd like to remind you that using mental prowess can be very exhausting over time, if haki is related to concentration and willpower. That and the fact that Luffy was using his haki in an unprecedented way whereby he retains the elasticity from his DF I think you can piece together quite easily why his haki is said to be depleted since you can say "he used too much willpower to pull off gear fourth". I don't understand why everything has to be deemed as an ass-pull these days.
Wouldn't have been bad if burgess in the last nano second sensed sabo coming and blocked his kick!!! He doesn't look good with sabos foot imprint on his face!
Just kill me already :getlost:
What if Aokiji vs Akainu lasted for 10 days because that's when Aokiji ran out of haki.
it's a manga….it's for dramatics....
Not exactly the only option that would have evoked some drama though, is it?
What if Aokiji vs Akainu lasted for 10 days because that's when Aokiji ran out of haki.
Lol that's what I'm saying
Yes he does, we saw it in the first clash between Sabo/Burgess - he used his haki hardening on his armour, Sabo used dragon claw, they clashed, his armour on his elbow shattered…
I don't think that was Haki. Come to think of it you're right it was but it was obviously inferior to Sabo's. So, that already speaks volumes of what the fight's outcome will be.
This happens all the time in manga/anime, its not a Sabo thing…
True, it's not something I particularly like in general though.
It's more annoying when piled on top of my other problems with Sabo is all.
Sure but I dont see any problem with him appearing in Dressorsa.
Indeed, but that doesn't change the fact that he appeared suddenly to save the day.
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That's actually one of the few believable things. We already know that anybody who is well anybody can move incredibly fast especially with the CP9 techniques.
My issue isn't with Sabo's speed.
I can see why none of the yonko fight each other, those battles would take months lol.
I hoped for that too… With luffy struggling to evade doffy and doffy struggling to stay conscious from all the damage... Not that 10 minutes interruption!
Now would have been a nice time to do that right?
So that means if zoro kinemon and kanjuro attack the birdcage in the next 10 minutes they will automatically fail? Otherwise not threat no more... No drama. What are they going to do so long?
We need to see them attempt destroying the cage first. Who knows Maybe it can regenerate.
Burgess on the other hand, is a member of the final villain's crew, and is in my opinion more important to the overall story than Sabo is.
He should be protected better, or at the very least, get one of over on Sabo at some point.
I disagree with that. Sabo is the thought to be dead brother of the protagonist who seems to be the second in command of Dragon. He seems more important than one of the Blackbeard Commanders. Espececially since I don't think Burgess will fight Sanji, meaning he won't even get a M3 fight EOS.
I can see why none of the yonko fight each other, those battles would take months lol.
They battle each other a lot in the new world. You just don't see it.
@Nex:
To be fair that's exactly what Burgess did to kill Luffy. And Sabo was maybe two seconds behind.
We had just had half of a chapter of Burgess going "Ooooh yeah gonna kill me some Luffy" before he jumped out at Luffy.
Sabo appeared on the last page to save the day.
I'm not criticizing Sabo or Burgess surprise attacks, in-story as such.
I was just annoyed by the typical last gasp save dynamic, added to my other problems with the character who doled out said last gasp save.
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If he didn't appear now he would have appeared "randomly" in another arc and guess what he'd be doing in another arc? Oh, that's right, saving his brother. You can't really run away from that fact it will happen whether you like it or not. Maybe it's time to accept it once and for all, or do you need to revisit the chapter where he pretty much tells Fujitora (and us the readers) that regardless of his position or whatever mission he is undergoing or wherever he may be, if Luffy is in trouble he will come running? Something he was unable to do for Ace.
My problem is not with Sabo's motivation.
It's the way his character is protected and hyped, mainly at the expense of someone who I feel is a more important character in the long run.
This battle could take a really dramatic turn if at some point Dofla manages to control Luffy and Sabo somehow, pitting them against each other, which woud also give Burgess his gateway to escape, which he will.
Just sayin', I really want to see Dofla's strings pit two people who have a close personal bond against each other.
It does diminish threat from a reader perspective when people can show up out of nowhere to save people, BUT… I'm not peeved 'cause it was foreshadowed. Showing a few panels of Sabo's location or steps towards Burgess wouldn't have changed too much, 'cause we know Sabo was coming. Now, is it convenient that Sabo showed up at the very last second? Yeah. It creates impact, but it is quite convenient. Still! This is nowhere near Kenpachi stopping Nnoitra's blade convenient.
But Burgess appear the same sabo did out of no where but the fight had already move.
Burgess appeared after we'd had half a chapter of him declaring his intentions to kill Luffy.
Sabo appeared on the last page for a last gasp save.
@DHL:
They battle each other a lot in the new world. You just don't see it.
Sorry I mean in terms of becoming pirate king…like law pointed out while beating vergo, the new world has become lazy.