Chapter 781: "Long-Cherished Desire"
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Search the threads yourself if you're interested. I'm not gonna call out names like some snitch.
I think he was asking about the decisions Oda has made.
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so essentially the same thing with a different arc name..?
Yeah. Nothing wrong with the storylines Oda's done here.
Just the amount of them he packed together all at once clogging up the pipeline.
Can you imagine if Alabasta had had Little Garden in the middle of it, Drum has been another desert Kingdom and Chopper one of Vivi's random friends, and Laboon had been in Croc's personal tank or something? There's a certain level of overload and I think Oda hit that point… its telling that he took out half the crew a year ago.
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I'm sure you noticed there are quite a few people who never have any complaints and always argue against complaints other people have. Always justifyng whatever move the author makes. It awfully reminds of what happened with Naruto and Bleach when they started getting bad/worse.
After seeing some of the decisions Oda had made with Dressrosa, I can't help but be worried that OP will end up the same.
Well this is a 2+ year arc that's had a lot of plot lines, character arcs, and world building going on throughout; anyone who says that there isn't a negative thing about it is deluding themselves. That being said, there hasn't been anything game brakingly bad; honestly, it's more like a list of disappointments.
But honestly there's a lot of people who missed the fact that for all intents and purposes, one of the main points of this arc is to flesh out the characters who for sure are going to be the future Strawhat allies/devisions. Among other things.
(On another note. As for me personally, only from Punk Hazard onward have I been reading weekly. So this entire "saga" from beginning to end has read completely different for me and I have to take that into account.)
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@Tom:
I think he was asking about the decisions Oda has made.
All the discussions are there, in the threads. Anyone who is interested can check them out freely. I'm not going to repeat all the stuff that has been argued to the tiniest details multiple times over the past year. If I did that every time someone asked me, I'd be doing the same thing Darth did.
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I really think New World needs more mystery and exploration now and less big fights and events that "wil metaphorical tsunamis all over New World"..
I'm not that worried about that especially after what the rest of the supernovas experienced after entering the new World (i mean islands with non stop lightning…) Also Why can't the new world have both? Mysterious adventures and World shaking events? After all that's what the shs triggered since the entered the grand line.
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Well this is a 2+ year arc that's had a lot of plot lines, character arcs, and world building going on throughout; anyone who says that there isn't a negative thing about it is deluding themselves. That being said, there hasn't been anything game brakingly bad; honestly, it's more like a list of disappointments.
But honestly there's a lot of people who missed the fact that for all intents and purposes, one of the main points of this arc is to flesh out the characters who for sure are going to be the future Strawhat allies/devisions. Among other things.
(On another note. As for me personally, only from Punk Hazard onward have I been reading weekly. So this entire "saga" from beginning to end has read completely different for me and I have to take that into account.)
Yes, I agree. If there's anything good about Dressrosa, it's the fact that SH got many potential allies at one go, while weakening a Yonkou (if only a little) and defeating one of the most influential people in NW.
Wonder if some of these new allies will help in their fight against Kaido.Anyway, I'm entitled to have some concerns toward my favorite manga, because there are a lot of fictional stories, in literature or media, that become "watered down" towards the end, in one way or another.
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I must say that Robzilla seemed to have the most interaction with him that I saw of all the mods and had far more patience with him than I would have.
Yup every week I would look at it and be like, "how can he do it?" haha.
I really tried with Darth, I genuinely did.
Talking to him both in the main forum and behind the scenes didn't seem to help though.
I couldn't save him from himself, basically.
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I'm not that worried about that especially after what the rest of the supernovas experienced after entering the new World (i mean islands with non stop lightning…) Also Why can't the new world have both? Mysterious adventures and World shaking events? After all that's what the shs triggered since the entered the grand line.
I just meant it would be too much to have 2 (or more) big epic arcs back to back, without any side adventure between.
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All the discussions are there, in the threads. Anyone who is interested can check them out freely. I'm not going to repeat all the stuff that has been argued to the tiniest details multiple times over the past year. If I did that every time someone asked me, I'd be doing the same thing Darth did.
You'd be doing what Darth did if you insulted others in the process while also acclaiming your opinion as the one objective truth. I'd love to hear your opinions as to where Dressrosa's gone wrong since I haven't noticed that much of a problem with it and I'm always open to new ideas.
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A tribute to Darth.(Obviously it wasn't me.)
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I just meant it would be too much to have 2 (or more) big epic arcs back to back, without any side adventure between.
A more light-hearted adventure after Dressrosa sounds lovely. Given how deep in the water the Strawhats already are, it would be nice to have a breather for a moment.
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@Tom:
You'd be doing what Darth did if you insulted others in the process while also acclaiming your opinion as the one objective truth. I'd love to hear your opinions as to where Dressrosa's gone wrong since I haven't noticed that much of a problem with it and I'm always open to new ideas.
I think the topic is more suited to Official Dressrosa Thread. I suppose I could write some of my complaints in more detail one of these days. I'm kinda sick now, with a high-fever and a headache and this would deserve a longer post.
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If Dresserossa has one real major legitimate problem, its that it tried to cram in four of five arcs worth of stuff into one place. Some overlap is fine, but the tournament, Rebecca's royal family plotline, the dwarves, the toys, Law's plan, Doflamingo and his families' backstory himself, many of these are things that could have supported their own concentrated arc for a few months.
Had Oda, for instance, had a short breather between Punk Hazard and Dresserossa where the strawhats hit another island controlled by Doflamingo and say, helped out the dwarves (like Little Garden) and gotten in the Law/Dofla backstory there … and then moved onto Dresserosa and helped out the Rebecca and the toys... (and the tournament) it might have flowed a little better.
Having it all at once padded the length out considerably and has led to a bit of arc fatigue... but much like Skypeia and Water 7 at the time, it should generally be better when its all done in one go.I agree Robby, I feel the arc has gone on a bit too long, on saying that Oda has fit a huge amount into the time he has used and just think how long it would have been if the rest of the crew had not separated.
I think he just has too many intertwined stories and far too many players on the stage in this arc, it has meant he has had to jump around so much due to having so many plates spinning in the air at once.
Once this arc is over it my be seen as the best yet but that doesn't stop it feeling like a bit of a grind in the here and now, the last few chapters have felt a bit fillerish even though Law got some good hits on Doffy and forced him to show some if not all of his ace's (firstaid etc).
Still if the upcoming fight between Luffy and Doffy is a good solid one on one all will be forgiven.
I don't dislike the arc its just that if this was a film my arse would not have gone to sleep by now it would have died. :)
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I really tried with Darth, I genuinely did.
Talking to him both in the main forum and behind the scenes didn't seem to help though.
I couldn't save him from himself, basically.
You were usually the nicest guy who debated with him.
Even if you couldn't help him, I think that he knows that; and from the back and froths I read between you two, it seemed like he respected you a little for it.
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I love that someone has finally tried to get back on topic, but everyone is still talking about Darth. No offence, but you guys get side tracked really easily.
Well like oda says even a small ripple can be the start of a gigantic wave.
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@Tom:
A more light-hearted adventure after Dressrosa sounds lovely. Given how deep in the water the Strawhats already are, it would be nice to have a breather for a moment.
Depends where the rest of the crew is. Unless they shook off Big Mom, lighter arcs seem unlikely.
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I'm on the more "negative" side when it comes to Dress Rosa, I suppose. But what that means for me is that an arc which should've been a 10/10 and had all the potential in the world to be so has only managed to be an 8/10 because of a lot of unfortunate problems and bad decisions. I've been harshly critical of Oda from time to time but it's simply because I've come to expect so much from the quality of his past work. Much and more on Dress Rosa tells me Oda's creativity and penchant for engaging and entertaining drama hasn't remotely run dry, but his execution has slipped so much when I compare it to how well-told and focused of a story Skypiea was, or how Arabasta is an expertly executed classic Shounen romp, or just how much we felt for our beloved main characters in the CP9 saga. The bloated narrative is the chief problem here. It seems to me that it's the source of most other problems. The jumping around so much, the lack of focus, the extensive filler-like run-from-place-to-place, some characters doing practically nothing but hanging around… it's all a result of the narrative having more characters and subplots than it has the panel time to adequately deal with.
But I also think, with absolute sincerity, and I don't really know how controversial this is around here, that a lot of the characters here simply aren't very good ones by OP standards. The entire Riku family and the dwarves are my chief culprits. They have little personality, have generic backstories and bland objectives. Maybe people like Pell, Chaka and Cobra, or the Shandian chief and Conis, weren't all that much more colorful. At least Gan Fall could facefault and Cobra could goof off. But in any case characters like this took up much, much less panel time. Oda focused almost entirely on what was most important: the Straw Hats and Vivi battling Baroque Works. On Dress Rosa these supporting characters have taken up colossal amounts of panel time. A lot of people seem to blame the Colosseum fighters, and while I admit the Colosseum did the least for the plot, and would probably be the first thing to cut from a cold hard logical perspective, I would never want it gone because its characters were colorful. They are packed to the brim with personality, variety and OP's trademark mixture of badass and quirky. This makes them easily engaging to me because these are some of One Piece's strengths as a series. I'm more interested in Sai due to his colorful personality and stylish… style... than I am in Kyros despite the latter's page up and page down of sad backstory and save-the-kingdom/save-my-daughter plot. From the kids on PH, to the Riku family's story here, I'm concerned that Oda seems to think that simply making something sad is enough for it to be engaging. So much time has been spent on these two groups of characters and to me, at least, it's just not paying off proportionally by a country mile. Oda's done more with less before.
Senõr Pink's simple little backstory worked so much better to me than all of the Riku family's combined. It's not that it was better in concept, per se, but it was better in execution and involved such an incredibly likeable, colorful character. We see how incredibly well Law's flashback worked and it owes that in large part to its wonderful characters. This, that a large portion of the cast is just not very likeable, is one of the arc's biggest flaws for me that can't be entirely pinned on the bloated narrative. Oda most definitely spent as much time as was justified on the Riku family and dwarves but they're still not doing anything for me. Part of it is the lack of focus, but if the characters were truly interesting I imagine I would have felt more like I do about the Donquixote family – great in concept, but I wish I'd seen more. Instead I just feel... meh. At best it's just "OK". And it's just not up to Oda standards, judging by his past work, to spend so much time on something only for it to be OK at best.
Anyway, not sure if this belonged here... but the faults of Dress Rosa was brought up and I thought I'd try to explain some of what I feel has been lacking. I honestly don't feel I'm being unjustifiably negative. I think this arc just had so much more potential and it's been harmed a lot by its execution.
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I'm sure you noticed there are quite a few people who never have any complaints and always argue against complaints other people have. Always justifyng whatever move the author makes. It awfully reminds of what happened with Naruto and Bleach when they started getting bad/worse.
After seeing some of the decisions Oda had made with Dressrosa, I can't help but be worried that OP will end up the same.
It depends, there'll always be those types of people (more so after 2009) but I think the biggest difference is the author themselves, if Oda doesn't know what he's doing then there wouldn't be great characterization. There wouldn't be time to shine for other characters. And my personal favorite: an explanation towards mostly everything. I said this awhile back but the only real problem OP just comes down to Oda's own preferences, and I know it might be similar to those other two fandoms but sometimes it really just comes down to faith in the author. Personally, I've never had faith in those other 2 authors but if you're saying there'll come a time when the negative outweighs the positive when it comes to OP, then I can respect that opinion, even if I disagree. Good to know you're still posting by the way.
If Dresserossa has one real major legitimate problem, its that it tried to cram in four of five arcs worth of stuff into one place. Some overlap is fine, but the tournament, Rebecca's royal family plotline, the dwarves, the toys, Law's plan, Doflamingo and his families' backstory himself, many of these are things that could have supported their own concentrated arc for a few months.
Had Oda, for instance, had a short breather between Punk Hazard and Dresserossa where the strawhats hit another island controlled by Doflamingo and say, helped out the dwarves (like Little Garden) and gotten in the Law/Dofla backstory there … and then moved onto Dresserosa and helped out the Rebecca and the toys... (and the tournament) it might have flowed a little better.
Having it all at once padded the length out considerably and has led to a bit of arc fatigue... but much like Skypeia and Water 7 at the time, it should generally be better when its all done in one go.Like what you're describing, I've also noticed a while back that Dressrosa is like an omnibus of several different arcs. I mean, Alabasta is easy to spot, so it's mostly that, that everyone points out. However, my point is that, the way I see it, the author – Oda, is doing that for a reason. He brought back pretty much different elements from past arcs into this one - whose villain is the last original Shichibukai, which represents what Law said on PH, something about "all you did was maintain the peace and like you've always said, the new era is coming". So in my opinion, this is the arc that represents not only the set up and the beginning of a new era (content), but the curtain falling onto the old one.. but what do I know, I'm not an author.
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I really tried with Darth, I genuinely did.
Talking to him both in the main forum and behind the scenes didn't seem to help though.
I couldn't save him from himself, basically.
I noticed, that's why I brought it up just to remind people in no uncertain terms that you had given him plenty of chances and shown him patience far beyond what was expected to no avail, as I knew there would be some who would scream unfair use of the banhammer.
It should not have been a surprise, it certainly wasn't to me.
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Anyone else think we should archive this thread?
Darth, despite what he may have said or done, deserves it.
He was "Most Memorable" and "Most Persistent" for a reason you know.
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Anyone else think we should archive this thread?
Darth, despite what he may have said or done, deserves it.
He was "Most Memorable" and "Most Persistent" for a reason you know.
It's touching when observed along with your avatar. You should consider putting "Darth" instead of "ice cream". :happy:
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Age hit the Donquixote family like a rock.
The Shinigami still haven't left?
Law did a chidori.
You shalt be missed Magi King! the offspring of Darth and Monkey King(as someone jokingly said during one of your Rampages..).
Darth, please be here in about 10 years or so when Akainu finally gets his behind handed to him. We all want to hear your say on that and I'm telling you before hand, no complaining please, just tell us how does it feels to see Akainu in a pool of his own blood mixed with magma :D
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It's touching when observed along with your avatar. You should consider putting "Darth" instead of "ice cream"? :happy:
…Hell, just because you pointed it out I might just do that for the next couple of days.
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@Tom:
A more light-hearted adventure after Dressrosa sounds lovely. Given how deep in the water the Strawhats already are, it would be nice to have a breather for a moment.
After this marathon I would personally like a lighthearted short arc with them meeting up with Jimbei and him finally joining the crew, it could be done before or after the crew has reunited I don't mind.
Perhaps some new wanted posters and maybe even using the front cover stories to show the various reactions of all the factions in One Piece to the news of Doffy's fall.
Begs the question as to how they will leave Dressrosa without the Sunny unless Sanji and co return to Dressrosa for some reason.
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! Two certain characters from different factions are involved.
Thanks.
I'm looking forward to tomorrow's chapter. This week's was sort of iffy. I absolutely loved the final few panels, probably my favorite moment so far in the arc, but the rest of what happened was halfway between pulling random abilities out of their asses, and setting up the fight in a better way. I agree that the abilities they used made sense, but the set up for it was sort of meh. People already showed that it is possible from the ways oda drew previous chapters for law to have switched with random minion #432, but what would have been an awesome feat of strength (although to a degree, unbelievable) was ruined by the "I'm draining my life for this" cliche. It probably won't have any real consequences during the manga, so it's basically just a way for someone to magically push their limits. It's not horrible, but it is a little annoying.
I understand that Law's attempt at a killing blow adds a lot to his story, helping us to see his desparation, and giving Luffy a reason to fight harder, but I don't like that it has left Doffy handicapped. I've seen a lot of people who are happy for it , because they think Doffy is too much for luffy, but I disagree. Luffy will probably be fighting either an Admiral or a Yonkou somewhere in the next 1-3 arcs. If, even after two years of (i'm assuming) hardcore training under rayleigh, he can't stand up to a fresh doffy, then what chance does he have of beating a yonkou in what will probably be only a few weeks from now in the one piece world. Luffy needed to be able to beat him fresh, I'm not saying it should have been an easy fight, But he should be Stronger than doffy now.
The way I see it the only way for him to legitimately prove he is stronger than Doffy now, would be to have him wreck him, but that would be horrible. Not only would it ruin a fight with a character that has been hyped for years, but many fans would absolutely hate it.
I liked reading the chapter, to me it has been one of the better ones in a while, but I don't like where it's put the story. -
You shalt be missed Magi King! the offspring of Darth and Monkey King(as someone jokingly said during one of your Rampages..).
Darth, please be here in about 10 years or so when Akainu finally gets his behind handed to him. We all want to hear your say on that and I'm telling you before hand, no complaining please, just tell us how does it feels to see Akainu in a pool of his own blood mixed with magma :D
I'll pay to watch that xD
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Anyone else think we should archive this thread?
Darth, despite what he may have said or done, deserves it.
He was "Most Memorable" and "Most Persistent" for a reason you know.
That's just it he was the most memorable and most persistent for the wrong reasons tbh.
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…Hell, just because you pointed it out I might just do that for the next couple of days.
Omg, it looks better than I imagined.
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It's touching when observed along with your avatar. You should consider putting "Darth" instead of "ice cream". :happy:
And done.
Hell, because I'm bored I might just go make an "Expand Dong" out of this whole thing. ("Expand Darth"?)
http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/expand-dong
(So you know what the hell I'm talking about. Keep in mind, KYM is currently in the middle of the absolute best April Fools day for a website ever…also pointing that out just in case you were confused by all the weird shit currently going on at the moment.)
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You shalt be missed Magi King! the offspring of Darth and Monkey King(as someone jokingly said during one of your Rampages..).
Darth, please be here in about 10 years or so when Akainu finally gets his behind handed to him. We all want to hear your say on that and I'm telling you before hand, no complaining please, just tell us how does it feels to see Akainu in a pool of his own blood mixed with magma :D
I was thinking that the other day, the way Oda has written Akainu I can only see his story ending with one helluva redemption/sacrifice act or a rock bottom splat and being removed as Fleet Admiral when the moderates finally get their act together. The chances of him still being Fleet Admiral at the end of the manga are nil based on what I have seen so far.
Unless Luffy lamps him on the final stretch towards one piece of course, assuming that Blackbeard will be Luffy's last fight of the manga before becoming Pirate King, I wouldn't mind if it was Akainu tbh as Ace's murder most definitely gives Akainu equal top billing alongside Blackbeard.
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After this marathon I would personally like a lighthearted short arc with them meeting up with Jimbei and him finally joining the crew, it could be done before or after the crew has reunited I don't mind.
Perhaps some new wanted posters and maybe even using the front cover stories to show the various reactions of all the factions in One Piece to the news of Doffy's fall.
Some of my favourite moments in One Piece are the ones between arcs, when we get to see what's going on around the world. New wanted posters, marines and gorosei discussing the state of the world or just anything related to important New World pirates. The politics in One Piece is such a subtle strong-point.
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And done.
Hell, because I'm bored I might just go make an "Expand Dong" out of this whole thing. ("Expand Darth"?)
http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/expand-dong
(So you know what the hell I'm talking about)
Lol, they're pretty funny, can't believe I never caught it.
(So you know what the hell I'm talking about. Keep in mind, KYM is currently in the middle of the absolute best April Fools day for a website ever…also pointing that out just in case you were confused by all the weird shit currently going on at the moment.)
Guess that explains the Illuminati pointer, lol.
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I'll pay to watch that xD
Yeah, it is one of the main reasons I'm looking forward to reading One Piece ten years from now :D
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I was thinking that the other day, the way Oda has written Akainu I can only see his story ending with one helluva redemption/sacrifice act or a rock bottom splat and being removed as Fleet Admiral when the moderates finally get their act together. The chances of him still being Fleet Admiral at the end of the manga are nil based on what I have seen so far.
Unless Luffy lamps him on the final stretch towards one piece of course, assuming that Blackbeard will be Luffy's last fight of the manga before becoming Pirate King, I wouldn't mind if it was Akainu tbh as Ace's murder most definitely gives Luffy equal top billing alongside Blackbeard.
The way I see it(and hope for) is Complete and Utter Destruction of the red dog, otherwise I won't be satisfied XD
Can't wait for tomorrow's..err today's chapter, Doffy's beat down should be sufficient enough to last me until Kaido's. -
Other past April 1 bans that were not jokes.
tupadre97
Foxy the silver fox
Стрелок
strelok
kenjitr
Yonkou#3
kisame !!!
Juju14
looking_at_you
Sammsy
Sabo
Lord Zeb
kaba kaba fruit
Spokispike
roronoa3000
Chopperman
Miniluffy
Zyordius
h3h3h3
Muahand of course Almost Legendary, who was explicitly banned on March 31 just so everyone would know it wasn't a joke.
ah,strelok and foxy.this brings back memories.
it was around the time i joined(when i was active)
as far as i remember,strelok almost single handedly cemented the "everyone is sabo" meme.really liked him.
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The greatest punishment for Aikanu would be having to see the world rebuilt without him and a pirate as the great hero of the world. Thats way worse for him than death.
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Other past April 1 bans that were not jokes.
tupadre97
Foxy the silver fox
Стрелок
strelok kenjitr
Yonkou#3
kisame !!!
Juju14
looking_at_you
Sammsy
Sabo
Lord Zeb
kaba kaba fruit
Spokispike
roronoa3000
Chopperman
Miniluffy
Zyordius
h3h3h3
Muahand of course Almost Legendary, who was explicitly banned on March 31 just so everyone would know it wasn't a joke.
Lol, just realized, same user.
Didn't strelok have like a gazillion other personas, with imaginative nicks, like strelok!, strelok., !strelok, Strelok, etc…
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The greatest punishment for Aikanu would be having to see the world rebuilt without him and a pirate as the great hero of the world. Thats way worse for him than death.
I wonder how akainu handlesd the fact that he works for such upstanding citizens as the world nobles, and shares responsabilities with such noble and lawful people as the Panda family.
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Darth, for the couple days I posted here you had my back. It's too bad about the ban.
On another thought when are we going to see those glasses smash? It's killing me!
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He's got bunch of kairouseki, his shades are a combination of PH doors, friendship, Diamond and sea stone, hardest stuff in the OPverse they'll never break.
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@TLC:
Darth's idea of constructive criticism was constantly whinging on the same nitpicks and blowing them way out of proportion over and over.
You had the chapter two weeks ago where Law "died" (which we knew was not going to stick) and he kept harping on it over and over how it sucked because the end of the chapter relied on a degree of concern for Law and how there was no tension (never mind how well presented the scene was or even god forbid looking at the rest of the chapter) and Oda is awful for ending his chapter like that and therefore the entire chapter sucks and has no redeeming value and this arc sucks because Oda still hasn't explained what Fujitora is doing and yadda yadda yadda, rinse and repeat every goddamn chapter.
There's a reason we don't single out other posters who give negative comments because they give balanced, constructive critcisms where they're clearly looking for something postive and want to like the series and when they complain, it's usually about something different or told from a different perspective. Darth's "constructive" criticism felt like a guy who would hate a chapter no matter what, that he would look for something minor and petty to blow out of proportion and any positive comments he made were very few and felt more like he randomly chose them to try and present the image that he was fair and balanced instead of the nitpicky belly acher that he was.
I've said it before and I'll say it again, good riddance!
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Here are some examples:
Usopp falls from an Enies Lobby tower and is okay but wounded. In Thriller Bark, Zoro was falling from Oars, Usopp panics that Zoro will die if he hits the ground.
Law does not use shambles to cut Doflamingo in pieces and throw him in the sea since he wanted to kill him so bad.
Doflamingo does not uses parasite to paralyze Luffy and cut him in piece.
Oda spending much energy to show how deadly Ceaser Clown's gas is; only to find that the poisonous gas will only slowly kill you.
Bellmare get's shot in the chest and dies, Brownbeard got shot in the face and lived, making the Yeti brothers lousy killers. Corazon got shot multiple times and lives long to face Doflamingo.
While the crew were going to Skypiea, they comment on how thin the air was getting. Later we see Enel going to space all fine and found the Space pirates there and they are not wearing space suit.
Kalifa and Kaku turning from a cold-hearted assassins, after eating the fruit; they mellow down
The entire system of the World Nobles and the World Government's need for them. It's amazing how the world tolerate them for 800 years and no one in history tried to overthrow them despite how people hated them. And why the Marines have to protect those lawless people? If this was the real world, they would be gone already. And how do they grow without inbreeding?
Enel killed an militia with his lightning attack, could not kill Payaga.
Foxy landed on a bed of spikes and did not bleed but when people get cut, they bleed. Yes I know this is just a Shonen manga but it still have to have logic.
How about when Sanji gets a nose bleed, it does not affect him but in Fishman Island it became a serious issue.
Shirahoshi does not summon the Sea Kings to stop the Noah earlier and waited until it was about to crush Fishman Island.
The need for Blackbeard to have a Shichibukai rank when it was really pointless the minute he enters
Impel Down. He really does not need it since the result would be the same.Whitebeard got stabbed by Squardo and sticks out to the back, later we see no scar behind the back.
Vegapunk surviving the blast when Ceaser Clown denoted the island
We were told that Sengoku was a great planner, does not first gather armies and Shichibukais, add submarines before making the news for Ace's execution a public, this shows us he was not a great planner.
Ace starting goofy, became a generic emo.
Bartolomo and Sabo finding Luffy on Dressrosa. Gotta wonder how do they know where to find him.
Everyone knows Luffy defeated Crocodile despite the World Government's cover-ups
The mysterious disappearance of CP-0.
Gecko Moria summoning zombies on Marineford and they look SIM
on Thriller Bark. Gotta wonder where he got them and how were they made. Plus he stole a shadows of a random Marines and did not get killed by the sunlightWe were shown that Sarkies was going to slash Bellamy on the back and on-screen there was blood. However in Dressrosa he was shown alive without any effect and fact that his crew still follows him to Skypiea and lost them all in attack yet in cover pages, we see the Skypiea citizens unharmed.
Plus Bellamy was seen floating on the Colosseum water.
The factory was directly under the Colosseum, later it when it went up to the ground level, it appears besides the Colosseum.
It was hard to see the dwelf, however the Doflamingo pirates managed to enslave them
How so many people on Sabaody were so naive that they thought the imposter Straw Hat pirates were real ones
It is stated that Law needs to have stamina to use room, manage to use it without one
Law pointlessly switching personalities as he was angry at them, later propose alliance with Luffy
Ugh, there are so much more to list. Yes you might say "this is Shonen! Anything can happen!" Like I said before, it still have to have logic. That is like saying High Fantasy novels should not have logic now if you excuse me I got a sore wrist.
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@joekido:
Here are some examples:
! Usopp falls from an Enies Lobby tower and is okay but wounded. In Thriller Bark, Zoro was falling from Oars, Usopp panics that Zoro will die if he hits the ground.
! Law does not use shambles to cut Doflamingo in pieces and throw him in the sea since he wanted to kill him so bad.
! Doflamingo does not uses parasite to paralyze Luffy and cut him in piece.
! Oda spending much energy to show how deadly Ceaser Clown's gas is; only to find that the poisonous gas will only slowly kill you.
! Bellmare get's shot in the chest and dies, Brownbeard got shot in the face and lived, making the Yeti brothers lousy killers. Corazon got shot multiple times and lives long to face Doflamingo.
! While the crew were going to Skypiea, they comment on how thin the air was getting. Later we see Enel going to space all fine and found the Space pirates there and they are not wearing space suit.
! Kalifa and Kaku turning from a cold-hearted assassins, after eating the fruit; they mellow down
! The entire system of the World Nobles and the World Government's need for them. It's amazing how the world tolerate them for 800 years and no one in history tried to overthrow them despite how people hated them. And why the Marines have to protect those lawless people? If this was the real world, they would be gone already. And how do they grow without inbreeding?
! Enel killed an militia with his lightning attack, could not kill Payaga.
! Foxy landed on a bed of spikes and did not bleed but when people get cut, they bleed. Yes I know this is just a Shonen manga but it still have to have logic.
! How about when Sanji gets a nose bleed, it does not affect him but in Fishman Island it became a serious issue.
! Shirahoshi does not summon the Sea Kings to stop the Noah earlier and waited until it was about to crush Fishman Island.
! The need for Blackbeard to have a Shichibukai rank when it was really pointless the minute he enters
Impel Down. He really does not need it since the result would be the same.
! Whitebeard got stabbed by Squardo and sticks out to the back, later we see no scar behind the back.
! Vegapunk surviving the blast when Ceaser Clown denoted the island
! We were told that Sengoku was a great planner, does not first gather armies and Shichibukais, add submarines before making the news for Ace's execution a public, this shows us he was not a great planner.
! Ace starting goofy, became a generic emo.
! Bartolomo and Sabo finding Luffy on Dressrosa. Gotta wonder how do they know where to find him.
! Everyone knows Luffy defeated Crocodile despite the World Government's cover-ups
! The mysterious disappearance of CP-0.
! Gecko Moria summoning zombies on Marineford and they look SIM
on Thriller Bark. Gotta wonder where he got them and how were they made. Plus he stole a shadows of a random Marines and did not get killed by the sunlight
! We were shown that Sarkies was going to slash Bellamy on the back and on-screen there was blood. However in Dressrosa he was shown alive without any effect and fact that his crew still follows him to Skypiea and lost them all in attack yet in cover pages, we see the Skypiea citizens unharmed.
! Plus Bellamy was seen floating on the Colosseum water.
! The factory was directly under the Colosseum, later it when it went up to the ground level, it appears besides the Colosseum.
! It was hard to see the dwelf, however the Doflamingo pirates managed to enslave them
! How so many people on Sabaody were so naive that they thought the imposter Straw Hat pirates were real ones
! It is stated that Law needs to have stamina to use room, manage to use it without one
! Law pointlessly switching personalities as he was angry at them, later propose alliance with Luffy
Ugh, there are so much more to list. Yes you might say "this is Shonen! Anything can happen!" Like I said before, it still have to have logic. That is like saying High Fantasy novels should not have logic now if you excuse me I got a sore wrist. IDid you really have to go this far?
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He's got bunch of kairouseki, his shades are a combination of PH doors, friendship, Diamond and sea stone, hardest stuff in the OPverse they'll never break.
This is worthy of being someone's signature.
I might quote you and take it for my own actually.
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@joekido:
Here are some examples:
Do you know what "suspension of disbelief" is?
Also shut the fuck up about "logic". Story logic and real-world logic are separate things.
Jesus christ joe.
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Woah man I just have to list them. Jesus Christ Cyan. You guys asked me to provide and evidence and gave you one.
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@joekido:
Woah man I just have to list them. Jesus Christ Cyan. You guys asked me to provide and evidence and gave you one.
None of this is "evidence"
All it is are a list of rather petty inconsistencies and….you know what? Whatever isn't a minor overlooked detail is either flat out wrong or with no decent reasoning behind them whatsoever.
