Haki doesn't have power levels, the strongest your willpower, the better the hardening will be !
I don't think that's quite how it works, buddy.
If that were the case, then Luffy would most likely have the strongest haki in the world already.
Haki doesn't have power levels, the strongest your willpower, the better the hardening will be !
I don't think that's quite how it works, buddy.
If that were the case, then Luffy would most likely have the strongest haki in the world already.
Haki doesn't have power levels, the strongest your willpower, the better the hardening will be !
That whole willpower thing needed to have some limitations, otherwise OP would turn into something like Fairy Tail in that respect.
Willpower is important but it doesn't mean shit without hard work. Zoro cut Pica because he had hellish training with count Dracula. Even if their Haki is about as strong, he would still cut him, because swords are tougher than flesh. Pica would need to be a lot better at Haki than Zoro is in order to not be wounded by him. It didn't just happen because Zoro wanted to win more.
@GON!!!:
i never said luffy had to do it. and the arc will be decided by a fight, i know, but the formula needs to change.
seriously every single arc there is a sad backstory to someone, but in the end we know the bad guy who's doing the stuff will get destroyed by luffy. the arc will almost always have a happy ending. people need to die outside of flash backs, etc. and not people like monet and vergo. people like rebecca or king riku.
the ace buildup thing only worked once. it's almost guaranteed someone important to luffy will die before this series ends.
well we had arcs with no happy ending..the whole marineford saga didn't have an happy ending at all,same for sabaody before,but it's not like the heroes can lose constantly
for the death parts…I never saw them as necessary..in fact..i think death (as love affairs) are the lowest common denominator of narrative..something you use to get some cheap reaction from the audience when you are not able to give it to them without..so I never had any particular problem with Oda's choice in that regard..also..who would have cared if king riku or rebecca died? :P
Haki doesn't have power levels, the strongest your willpower, the better the hardening will be !
Only Kings haki gets stronger the stronger your willpower. COA and COO haki gets better/stronger the more you train it.
@GON!!!:
i never said luffy had to do it. and the arc will be decided by a fight, i know, but the formula needs to change.
seriously every single arc there is a sad backstory to someone, but in the end we know the bad guy who's doing the stuff will get destroyed by luffy. the arc will almost always have a happy ending. people need to die outside of flash backs, etc. and not people like monet and vergo. people like rebecca or king riku.
the ace buildup thing only worked once. it's almost guaranteed someone important to luffy will die before this series ends.
Someone important to him, as say idk maybe ace? Just a guess
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Nope, he died of old age and not having his medical support, named powerfully people don't die that easily in One Piece.
Pretty sure the BB crew killed him with guns technically, but I agree with what you're saying
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@DHL:
Yea sorry i don't watch Harry Potter, I just threw that out there haha
Lol
16 blah blah blah
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Also I canr wait for the whole loser Bellamy thing to be out of the way. No way he becomes the NN. If anyone is its Bart and you're only kidding yourself if you don't agree
who would have cared if king riku or rebecca died? :P
It'd certainly move the bloody plot along.
I'm starting to feel almost sorry for the people of Dressrosa, almost because they seem to have the collected IQ of a box of hammers with learning disabilities.
They're just coming out of a decade of misrule so insidious they didn't really know it was going on.
Their previous King is coming out of his own decade long depressive funk and appears to have suddenly embraced pacifism to the point of catatonia.
His daughter is dead and son-in-law was villified for doing something effective and killing an enemy. This has left him so unstable he doesn't think he can touch his daughter without gloves because he's dirty and might break into murder at any second.
His grand-daughter… Rebecca. Oh dear, Rebecca. An avowed pacifist who refuses to ever hurt an enemy or do anything that might be useful because she has daddy-issues involving a one-legged animated toy. And anyway, the population spent the last few years howling for her to be killed in front of them.
Among the royals left you have a femme-fatale that openly collaberated with the usurping regime and a less than 4 inch tall mythical being who so far we haven't seen not crying and who's main attribute appears to be hair.
Democracy is always a possibility but given the evidence they look like they'd take to it like a dog takes to flying a helicopter; badly and not for long*.
(*stolen from A Touch Of Cloth tv show. Funny, you should watch)
Frankly a WG imposed military dictator is looking like their best shot. Just not the blind guy who accidently drops meteors on the peiple he's supposedly protecting.
Nope, he died of old age and not having his medical support, named powerfully people don't die that easily in One Piece.
…and being stabbed 267 times, shot by guns 152 times and shot by cannons 46 times.
Oh, and having half his face blown off by a magma fist.
It'd certainly move the bloody plot along.
I'm starting to feel almost sorry for the people of Dressrosa, almost because they seem to have the collected IQ of a box of hammers with learning disabilities.
They're just coming out of a decade of misrule so insidious they didn't really know it was going on.
Their previous King is coming out of his own decade long depressive funk and appears to have suddenly embraced pacifism to the point of catatonia.
His daughter is dead and son-in-law was villified for doing something effective and killing an enemy. This has left him so unstable he doesn't think he can touch his daughter without gloves because he's dirty and might break into murder at any second.
His grand-daughter… Rebecca. Oh dear, Rebecca. An avowed pacifist who refuses to ever hurt an enemy or do anything that might be useful because she has daddy-issues involving a one-legged animated toy. And anyway, the population spent the last few years howling for her to be killed in front of them.Among the royals left you have a femme-fatale that openly collaberated with the usurping regime and a less than 4 inch tall mythical being who so far we haven't seen not crying and who's main attribute appears to be hair.
Democracy is always a possibility but given the evidence they look like they'd take to it like a dog takes to flying a helicopter; badly and not for long*.
(*stolen from A Touch Of Cloth tv show. Funny, you should watch)Frankly a WG imposed military dictator is looking like their best shot. Just not the blind guy who accidently drops meteors on the peiple he's supposedly protecting.
What could King Riku have done instead of what happened?
Seriously I don't see his other options and wasn't the country going fine before Doflamingo came in?
I am half-expecting a "guess I wasn't needed" as he sheeths his sword panel from Fujitora.
Oh wait nevermind his country was poor and they didn't even pay taxes or have a standing army.
He's not good at all.
Oh wait nevermind his country was poor and they didn't even pay taxes or have a standing army.
He's not good at all.
So idyllic eh? :)
They had an army for Dofla to turn against them.
The Rikus have been friends & political allies to surrounding countries. He'd make a good foreign minister, which suggests to me this could have been the family's traditional role before the Doflamingos ascended to Dragonhood.
Violet seems to be the only member of the family both on the ball and borderline sane. But somehow she doesn't strike me as the ruling type but someone who'd be very happy as a minister.
The rest of them frustrate the hell out of me as a reader.
Who here also have a feeling that Sanji already met Dragon in person during the Timeskip?
Dragon called Ivan and after some conversations he said he has to tell him about the Kuma stuff. Maybe Sometime Dragon visited Ivankov island or Ivan went n met dragon while Sanji was with him?
Who here also have a feeling that Sanji already met Dragon in person during the Timeskip?
Dragon called Ivan and after some conversations he said he has to tell him about the Kuma stuff. Maybe Sometime Dragon visited Ivankov island or Ivan went n met dragon while Sanji was with him?
Had a similar theory about this not long ago, but people seem to think Sanji was just dealing with okamas 100% of the 2 years. I still say Dragon could even be the trainer of Sanji pre ts.
I don't think Sanji self-trained himself with haki, Ivankov din't look like he had haki either.
It'd certainly move the bloody plot along.
I'm starting to feel almost sorry for the people of Dressrosa, almost because they seem to have the collected IQ of a box of hammers with learning disabilities.
They're just coming out of a decade of misrule so insidious they didn't really know it was going on.
Their previous King is coming out of his own decade long depressive funk and appears to have suddenly embraced pacifism to the point of catatonia.
His daughter is dead and son-in-law was villified for doing something effective and killing an enemy. This has left him so unstable he doesn't think he can touch his daughter without gloves because he's dirty and might break into murder at any second.
His grand-daughter… Rebecca. Oh dear, Rebecca. An avowed pacifist who refuses to ever hurt an enemy or do anything that might be useful because she has daddy-issues involving a one-legged animated toy. And anyway, the population spent the last few years howling for her to be killed in front of them.Among the royals left you have a femme-fatale that openly collaberated with the usurping regime and a less than 4 inch tall mythical being who so far we haven't seen not crying and who's main attribute appears to be hair.
Democracy is always a possibility but given the evidence they look like they'd take to it like a dog takes to flying a helicopter; badly and not for long*.
(*stolen from A Touch Of Cloth tv show. Funny, you should watch)Frankly a WG imposed military dictator is looking like their best shot. Just not the blind guy who accidently drops meteors on the peiple he's supposedly protecting.
Quoted just for fun : it has been a long time since an AP post gave me such a good-hearted laugh
Who here also have a feeling that Sanji already met Dragon in person during the Timeskip?
Dragon called Ivan and after some conversations he said he has to tell him about the Kuma stuff. Maybe Sometime Dragon visited Ivankov island or Ivan went n met dragon while Sanji was with him?
As cool as it would be I dont think it happened.
Iva probably just left island and Sanji had his legs full with running away and fighting Okamas, he didnt had time to go with Iva for meeting that is only for Revolutionaries commanders.
It would not make much sense for them to invite outsider for top secret meeting like that.
Oh wait nevermind his country was poor and they didn't even pay taxes or have a standing army.
He's not good at all.
The country was poor because they weren't relying on slavery.
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Who here also have a feeling that Sanji already met Dragon in person during the Timeskip?
Dragon called Ivan and after some conversations he said he has to tell him about the Kuma stuff. Maybe Sometime Dragon visited Ivankov island or Ivan went n met dragon while Sanji was with him?
Would Iva let Sanji meet Dragon?
Iva himself was suspicious of Sanji.
Wasn't Robin the one that was chilling with the Revolutionaries and stuff
the impression i got was that Sanji spent his 2 years beating up Okama and running away from them and stuff
Wasn't Robin the one that was chilling with the Revolutionaries and stuff
the impression i got was that Sanji spent his 2 years beating up Okama and running away from them and stuff
Yes robin was with the revolutionaries and met dragon,sabo and Koala.
Stealing from the okamas was the first part of Sanji's training.
Yes robin was with the revolutionaries and met dragon,sabo and Koala.
Stealing from the okamas was the first part of Sanji's training.
What was second part of Sanjis training then ?
Also what was Sanji stealing ?
I thought he was fighting Okamas for recipes and constantly running away from them most of time. We seen him running away from them through different seasons of year in mini flashback, until he started to Sky Walk straight from running.
What was second part of Sanjis training then ?
Also what was Sanji stealing ?
Whatever the okama queen had in store. The deal was steal the 99 recipes and I'll teach you what you want. Hell it wasn't even even about defeating them all but getting the recipes.
I thought he was fighting Okamas for recipes and constantly running away from them most of time. We seen him running away from them through different seasons of year in mini flashback, until he started to Sky Walk straight from running.
We see snow once. We really don't know how long it took for the recipes.
If he had left that island even once during his 2 year imprisonment i'm sure he would hv gone hunting for a woman even an old one :getlost:. Ivankov hasn't been confirmed to have haki but i'd find it hard to swallow if he didnt I'm also suspecting jimbei as well as crocodile. All these guys weren't shown with haki because it wasnt important to the crew at the time they just showed us hints of it with Garp then later Rayleigh and Shanks and because people use their haki differently and its not always visible like laws.
I'm getting the impression that Trebol is gonna be the last man standing and he's been manipulating dd for a long ass time, he was probably sent by the gourosei to provide dd with power when he was a beggar.
It'd be really weird for Oda to make meeting Dragon and the Revolutionaries such a massive part of Robin's timeskip experience and then double up by having Sanji meet them as well.
As far as I'm concerned, we know what the state of play was with each SH going into the timeskip, and that completely set up what they'd be spending their time doing for 2 years, with no majorly unexpected visits from other characters outwith those encapsulated plotlines as they were left.
…and being stabbed 267 times, shot by guns 152 times and shot by cannons 46 times.
Oh, and having half his face blown off by a magma fist.
and his innards melted.
The country was poor because they weren't relying on slavery.
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Would Iva let Sanji meet Dragon?
Iva himself was suspicious of Sanji.
But if Sanji went with Iva to meet Dragon and Robin/Sabo and co went with Dragon.. that would mean Sanji and Robin met..
@DHL:
But if Sanji went with Iva to meet Dragon and Robin/Sabo and co went with Dragon.. that would mean Sanji and Robin met..
Plot holes, plot holes everywhere.
@DHL:
But if Sanji went with Iva to meet Dragon and Robin/Sabo and co went with Dragon.. that would mean Sanji and Robin met..
Then it's safe to say this didn't happen.
We already know what Sanji was doing during the timeskip. He was tasked with defeating the 99 masters of Newkama Kenpo, ran away from the Okama that chased him, and learned new techniques along the way.
All in all, it isn't a plot hole.
@Galaxy:
Then it's safe to say this didn't happen.
We already know what Sanji was doing during the timeskip. He was tasked with defeating the 99 masters of Newkama Kenpo, ran away from the Okama that chased him, and learned new techniques along the way.
All in all, it isn't a plot hole.
Exactly.
I don't remember it was 99 masters? Was it numbered?
@DHL:
But if Sanji went with Iva to meet Dragon and Robin/Sabo and co went with Dragon.. that would mean Sanji and Robin met..
Sanji certainly wouldn't leave Robin-chwan to go back to Newkama Island
Sanji certainly wouldn't leave Robin-chwan to go back to Newkama Island
Also,
Sanji had not seen a woman in 2 years :)
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@Galaxy:
Yes.
I haven't read that in a few years.. thanks!
Since we are on a Sanji discussion, what if Ivankov galaxy wink is some type of special technique that but Ivankov use the eye to do due to his devil fruit been able to enhance it like chichango using his head for is family tech and sie using is feet. What if Sanji is able to use this technique but concentrate the power on is feet, this would give Sanji the destructive power in the same league a Sie maybe even more powerful
It doesn't have to do with power levels but with the simple statement of Zoro.
If Alvida arc Coby would naturally would have super CoA while having no other skills, could Zoro not "cut" him? Shit or not.
But well maybe I'm to harsh, cuz I don't like the concept of CoA. Pre skip CoA as int he war actually good… Only used to make the logias attackable... and to maybe protect yourself a bit against some attacks.
But with hardening... Do not like it... And do not even like the coloring of it. But I have to live with it. I just hope that's it.
But wouldn't be suprised if CoO next level is the next... And we still ahve no clue what CoC actually can do in a battle besides clearing up fodder
I think the color point is important. I am not sure that coa users actually turn black. I think it is just them being quite willful and being able to shrug off an attack - they harden their body, sure, but without the visual I think it becomes more a matter of will. This is why haki power level discussions won't work - because your will to do something is different depending on the circumstances; Luffy might be doing a shit job against bellamy because luffy does not have any particular drive to defeat him. He is confused, not willful.
And the coby point goes back to some Nietzschean themes that are constant in one piece (really evident after Kuma and then Ace): no matter how willful you are, you have to be able to back it up with strength. A strong will without the ability to act it won't get you far. So of course current Zoro would wreck Alvida arc Coby. You COULD view haki as a multiplier, not an additive - multiply a small number by a lot and you stull have a smaller number than if you multiplied a huge number by a medium number. I think quantifying it is the wrong way to go though.
I hope we see something with coo soon - Cause I think it can do a lot for Sanji. Remember Enies Lobby, when he was all secret agent. Well, couple that with observation and we may have something really cool.
Conquerors Haki I again translate as Conquerors Will. So the burst is not CoC per se, but rather is something a "conqueror" can do. As is making allies easily - I see making allies to be an aspect of a conquerors will. Thus why Luffy and Doffy both have loyal crews, and are loyal to their crews. They are conquerors, which entails knocking people out by their sheer will, making allies, etc. anything involved in the will of the conqueror.
Watch the title of the next chapter be "Robin vs. Trebol." :ninja:
One day Luffy will overcome the yonko.
Which is the main reason of why Luffy, Zoro and Sanji can't be too close to each other in strength, three people in one single crew capable of defeating Yonkos, I know Bleach, I know what bad storytelling it is, but three people in one crew, every single one of them stronger than yonkos, shittiest thing Oda could ever do to the series.
The healthiest thing to the series it is indeed to keep Zoro down bellow Luffy and Sanji down bellow Zoro.
Well Luffy has to SURPASS Yonkou level. Luffy - Gol D Roger level. Zoro - Mihawk + level
Roger would be well above the current Yonkou. For the simple fact that Whitebeard passed his prime is as strong as the current Yonkou would imply that Roger is on a whole new level if WB could fight equally against roger in his prime time.
My point is that the way Mihawk takes on Shanks and that Zoro intends to surpass him shows that Zoro would be able to match against characters as strong as Yonkou roaming around now.
That's just how I view the "risen to the top" strawhats.
…and being stabbed 267 times, shot by guns 152 times and shot by cannons 46 times.
Oh, and having half his face blown off by a magma fist.
Still not enough to take down a monster like Whitebeard in my book
Old age/sickness helped greatly.
spoiler is out and no chapter next week :D
Still not enough to take down a monster like Whitebeard in my book
Old age/sickness helped greatly.
Well yeah, his sickness and age affected his performance in the battle but all those wounds are what made him finally succumb.
That's how I read it anyway.
Whitebeards age also weakened his Haki. :ninja: