Looks like law will be cure by dr kureha. They seems on drum island
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Chapter 764: "White Monster"
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I agree wholeheartedly. Those last few chapters have been most enjoyable. Actually reminds me why I liked One Piece in a first place.
Now, I have a bad felling that ain't going to last, but hey, we can't have everything.
Short appearance from Sengoku was fun. Makes me want to see more of him. Altough I'm pretty sure we won't.
What are your thoughts on Corazon being an undercover Marine? While a surprise, I'm on the fence on how to take it. Part of me likes the idea, the other part makes it seem unnecessary.
As for the best part of the chapter, I have to go with the color spread. Franky partying with a bear was awesome, and one of the best things I've seen. Overall, the chapter was okay, but it felt lacking. I can't put my hand on it, but I just didn't find it as good as the last two chapters. Did like seeing Vergo with an egg on his face. I feel that next chapter will be the last chapter of the flashback.
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So before Doffy and Roccy left Mariejois with their father. Could Roccy have seen Doffy do things that were cruel and unbeknownst to the father? It seems Doffy may be a genuine holder of some form of psychopathy, as stated above.
Here’s how Naruto should end: Last panel is Naruto standing proudly over Konohagakure. Slowly zoom out to reveal Luffy staring into a snowglobe with a miniature Konoha inside it. Usopp asks him what he’s doing. Luffy replies “Thinkin’ bout ninjas! Ninjas are cool!” and then chucks it off the ship
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One odd thing though…Vergo never changed his name when joining the Marines. Wouldn't Corazon have told Sengoku about Vergo given his rank as one of Doflamingo's officers?
It's one of those "It would be a logical thing to do, but we wouldn't have the story if it happened" kind of things.
Plus, marines. They need to fail at every positive thing they ever pick up. Otherwise, our protagonist, or Revolution, for that matter, would look bad.
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So Corazon was a spy. The guy is your brother and gave you the most important position in his family but you end up betraying him. Can't blame Doffly for killing him.
Cora should have mentioned the real names of the executives to Sengoku. I wonder what his mission was exactly.
So Doflamingo simply decided to let Cora rather not having to contact them.
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What are your thoughts on Corazon being an undercover Marine? While a surprise, I'm on the fence on how to take it. Part of me likes the idea, the other part makes it seem unnecessary.
As for the best part of the chapter, I have to go with the color spread. Franky partying with a bear was awesome, and one of the best things I've seen. Overall, the chapter was okay, but it felt lacking. I can't put my hand on it, but I just didn't find it as good as the last two chapters. Did like seeing Vergo with an egg on his face. I feel that next chapter will be the last chapter of the flashback.
Half of the things in Dressrosa are unnecessary. I'm just happy that marines did not actually completly ignore Doffy.
One does wonder why Sengoku didn't deal with them himself immediatly after Corazon got killed.
Speaking of which, best part of the chapter: Afro Sengoku, and his Goat.
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I wonder what happened to Corazon's Devil Fruit if he is dead. I'd like to see it in action again.
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Doffy has done a lot more than just wanting to kill the people that were torturing him. Including taking part in those same acts that the other world nobles did.
Yes, I know that. I just thought that it was weird to use that as an example of his twisted nature. Quite a few people would be rather pissed if they were tortured for no good reason.
I wonder what happened to Corazon's Devil Fruit if he is dead. I'd like to see it in action again.
I can't really see it being any use for a direct fighter. For an assasin it would of course be useful!
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Half of the things in Dressrosa are unnecessary. I'm just happy that marines did not actually completly ignore Doffy.
One does wonder why Sengoku didn't deal with them himself immediatly after Corazon got killed.
Speaking of which, best part of the chapter: Afro Sengoku, and his Goat.
Funny. I'm actually wondering why they didn't take care of Doflamingo when Corazon was alive. With Corazon around they knew where to dispatch an admiral to kill him.
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So before Doffy and Roccy left Mariejois with their father. Could Roccy have seen Doffy do things that were cruel and unbeknownst to the father? It seems Doffy may be a genuine holder of some form of psychopathy, as stated above.
Yes maybe there was someone more cruel than Doffy who influenced him in the background, I would love it if they were introduced, maybe appearing after Doffy's demise. It just seems strange that a character could be born a monster.
I don't know if Oda will ever explain that depth, instead his character might only be the explained by the effect of being raised in poisonous society, nothing directly from the family.
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Half of the things in Dressrosa are unnecessary. I'm just happy that marines did not actually completly ignore Doffy.
One does wonder why Sengoku didn't deal with them himself immediatly after Corazon got killed.
Speaking of which, best part of the chapter: Afro Sengoku, and his Goat.
I don't understand you strange hate for the marines not being shown "competent enough", in the sense that the "pirates can't ever look bad"? I don't think it's used to show "Look how incompetent they are!" It's used as device to make us feel bad for them. I'd even argue that it's delibrate, as in the world is sloely turning into a hellhole and justice is slowly losing out.
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The spy revelation seems necessary in retrostect because it ties in nicely with the bad blood between Law and Vergo shown in Punk Hazard. In the next chapter or two is seems clear Law and Vergo will come face to face, with the former getting his ass handed to him. Just not sure if it'll happen before or after he gets the fruit.
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I don't understand you strange hate for the marines not being shown "competent enough", in the sense that the "pirates can't ever look bad"? I don't think it's used to show "Look how incompetent they are!" It's used as device to make us feel bad for them. I'd even argue that it's delibrate, as in the world is sloely turning into a hellhole and justice is slowly losing out.
I disagree. It's one thing of them losing against a foe superior in some way, and another when they are not allowed to do anything solely because pirates need to look cool. Like Smoker deliberatly holding back on a traitor that massacred his subordinates because of some perceived debt. Or everything Fujitora is doing, the idiot.
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Funny. I'm actually wondering why they didn't take care of Doflamingo when Corazon was alive. With Corazon around they knew where to dispatch an admiral to kill him.
Because everything is subservient to the plot, and if Admirals actually did their fucking job, they would probably solve half of the world problems already?
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Half of the things in Dressrosa are unnecessary. I'm just happy that marines did not actually completly ignore Doffy.
One does wonder why Sengoku didn't deal with them himself immediatly after Corazon got killed.
Speaking of which, best part of the chapter: Afro Sengoku, and his Goat.
While I liked a number of the things you didn't, I can agree with the sentiment. Maybe Corazon being a Marine will have something come out of it, but if it doesn't, at most it will be the reason why Doflamingo kills his brother.
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Corazon probably didn't know where Vergo was since he was on a secret mission, so there's no way he could have reported it to the marines. That's what we know so far.
I agree, Corazon's ability is pretty awesome. It's a lot more subtle and practical when you think about it. I'm liking Corazon a lot, acting as a double agent of sorts, finally confirming Dolfy's legit evil status. I like that he's so compassionate too.
I'm a little disappointed with what he's said about the 'D's though. It's nothing we haven't already heard: the D's were the enemy of the world government and the Celestials and that they posed a legitimate threat. I guess even Corazon wouldn't know that much about them in that point in history.
At least now we know why Law said Cora-san and Corazon and that it wasn't just something that got mixed up in translation.
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Because they don't want to kill the children.
Sengoku was the one to authorize Ohara. They carried hunt witch hunt for Roger's Son.
That ship has sailed long ago.
And nobody is talking about killing them. Massacre everybody else, send grown ups to rot in Impel Down, and children to the orphanage. Or therapy, probably.
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It's one of those "It would be a logical thing to do, but we wouldn't have the story if it happened" kind of things.
Plus, marines. They need to fail at every positive thing they ever pick up. Otherwise, our protagonist, or Revolution, for that matter, would look bad.
Would have been fairly easy for Oda to make Vergo have a different name with Dofla pirates. There's probably a good reason why Oda left his name the same. Let's just wait it out a little, and not make it about marines again, if possible. -_-:
(Corazon will probably hear about commodore Vergo or whatever, but will die before he manages to tell anyone.)
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Half of the things in Dressrosa are unnecessary. I'm just happy that marines did not actually completly ignore Doffy.
One does wonder why Sengoku didn't deal with them himself immediatly after Corazon got killed.
Speaking of which, best part of the chapter: Afro Sengoku, and his Goat.
Haven't seen your other posts on this matter but exactly what things do you think are unnecessary in Dressrosa?
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Would have been fairly easy for Oda to make Vergo have a different name with Dofla pirates. There's probably a good reason why Oda left his name the same. Let's just wait it out a little, and not make it about marines again, if possible. -_-:
Sure there is. It's not like plot-holes exists in the perfect world of One Piece. No sir.
It doesn't make sense that he would not tell Sengoku "Hey, there is this really important, powerful guy, Vergo, doing stuff for the family". No reason at all to omit it, unless Corazon does not want for Doffy to die.
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Haven't seen your other posts on this matter but exactly what things do you think are unnecessary in Dressrosa?
Sabo. Fujitora. Everything related to those two. All the running. Pointless stalling.
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Wake up in the morning, ready to work on that homework that is due in a couple hours. I open up AP Forums in the tab next to my assignments. Let's read mangapanda translated One Piece instead. My grade can wait. See? Robin in a ponytail. That is what I value in this world. I spy a shark. This series could really need more regular sharks. What a fabulous snail at the end.
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Sure there is. It's not like plot-holes exists in the perfect world of One Piece. No sir.
It doesn't make sense that he would not tell Sengoku "Hey, there is this really important, powerful guy, Vergo, doing stuff for the family". No reason at all to omit it, unless Corazon does not want for Doffy to die.
Don't talk with me like I'm a fanboy or something. I'll be among the first to call bullshit if there isn't a good explanation as to why Vergo joining marines was missed by Corazon and Sengoku.
Just saying, don't call out plot holes before the flashback is finished.
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I'm sure I'm not the only one to notice, but was that one of the tranny nurses that gave Sanji his blood transfusion in Fishman Island that I just saw at the first hospital Law & Corazon visited?
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It seems redundant to repeat, but I really loves this chapter.
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Don't talk with me like I'm a fanboy or something. I'll be among the first to call bullshit if there isn't a good explanation as to why Vergo joining marines was missed by Corazon and Sengoku.
Just saying, don't call out plot holes before the flashback is finished.
No promises. But isn't that a plot hole already? Unless Sengoku has the most perfect poker face, some kind of notice would be warranted.
So it's obvious that Corazon did not told him. Then, is there a reason that you can think for that, that would sound convincing to you? I can't.
And sorry about patronizing. I'm a bitter, bitter man from dealing with fanboys.
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I disagree. It's one thing of them losing against a foe superior in some way, and another when they are not allowed to do anything solely because pirates need to look cool. Like Smoker deliberatly holding back on a traitor that massacred his subordinates because of some perceived debt. Or everything Fujitora is doing, the idiot.
Smoker wasn't holding back on Vergo. He was distracting him for Law to get his heart back. The whole point of Fujitora is that he's both on the government's side and wishing to remove the Shichibukai system. It's not incompetency, it's the character's beliefs. I might be annoyed that the marines don't get a solid victory, but it's not the intent to make them seem incompetent. I'm pretty happy every marine isn't Akainu.
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rocinante and law's tandem are just awesom too bad rocinante dies
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Sure there is. It's not like plot-holes exists in the perfect world of One Piece. No sir.
It doesn't make sense that he would not tell Sengoku "Hey, there is this really important, powerful guy, Vergo, doing stuff for the family". No reason at all to omit it, unless Corazon does not want for Doffy to die.
I actually don't think Corazon wants Doffy to die.
He even said he wasn't a Marine while talking with Law, he could be lying though and trying to keep that fact a secret but as of now, Corazon's way to fulfill his goal, which is stop DD's madness, is pretty unclear.
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I disagree. It's one thing of them losing against a foe superior in some way, and another when they are not allowed to do anything solely because pirates need to look cool. Like Smoker deliberatly holding back on a traitor that massacred his subordinates because of some perceived debt. Or everything Fujitora is doing, the idiot.
Honor Code anyone
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Sure there is. It's not like plot-holes exists in the perfect world of One Piece. No sir.
It doesn't make sense that he would not tell Sengoku "Hey, there is this really important, powerful guy, Vergo, doing stuff for the family". No reason at all to omit it, unless Corazon does not want for Doffy to die.
When did Corazon start his mission?
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Funny. I'm actually wondering why they didn't take care of Doflamingo when Corazon was alive. With Corazon around they knew where to dispatch an admiral to kill him.
ehm..they did that.
doflamingo stated in this very chapter that they were leaving because the marine HQ discovered where they were and marins were coming for their heads -
No promises. But isn't that a plot hole already? Unless Sengoku has the most perfect poker face, some kind of notice would be warranted.
So it's obvious that Corazon did not told him. Then, is there a reason that you can think for that, that would sound convincing to you? I can't.
I'm an optimist.
There could still be credible explanations. Corazon's position as a double agent requires quite an amount of balancing, I'm sure. His position would probably be heavily compromised if Vergo was suddenly uncovered. Especially if he has any reason to think Dofla might be suspicious of him. Maybe the fact that Vergo didn't change his name was Dofla's test of sorts, to see if he has an information leak.
Frankly, I don't see how Oda could miss an obvious plot hole like that.
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Smoker wasn't holding back on Vergo. He was distracting him for Law to get his heart back.
Either away, he sacrificed his ability to win solely for the purpoes of this perceived debt.
The whole point of Fujitora is that he's both on the government's side and wishing to remove the Shichibukai system. It's not incompetency, it's the character's beliefs. I might be annoyed a little that the marines don't get a solid victory, but it's not the intent to make them seem incompetent. I'm pretty happy every marine isn't Akainu.
I'm pretty unhappy that only absolute bastards among them get to accomplish something. And I love Sakazuki.
I already said that I was going to give a proper, big deconstruction on Fujitora this arc this weekend. For now I will say that Fujitora's actions don't seem to be consistent with any of his beliefs.
It might not be an the intent, but it comes across as it anyway. And I'm firm in my belief that the only real reason Fujitora is acting as it is, is because Doffy is an arc boss, and an arc boss needs to be beaten by Luffy.
And I've been vocal about it being inferior storytelling when the main reason main characters defeats big bad is solely because they are main character.
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Honor Code anyone
Oh? So according to your Honor Code, debt to an enemy is more important for a military commander then punishing a traitor that tried to kill many of his loyal subordinates?
I disagree with your values.
When did Corazon start his mission?
At least two years ago, if his conversation about children is any indication.
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I get the feeling we'll get an explanation on that. Fujitora was basically introduced speaking in riddles, he's supposed to be "confusing". What I like about the marines usually holding back, is that it always lines up with their characterization. It might have the ulterior motive for having Luffy defeat Dofla, but I'm pretty sure there will be a clearer reason why he won't interwine.
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I get the feeling we'll get an explanation on that. Fujitora was basically introduced speaking in riddles, he's supposed to be "confusing". What I like about the marines usually holding back, is that it always lines up with their characterization.
Actually, disregarding one or two throwaway lines, he speaks very clearly. And that's the problem.
Stop tempting me to go into details. I want to do it properly.
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Oh? So according to your Honor Code, debt to an enemy is more important for a military commander then punishing a traitor that tried to kill many of his loyal subordinates?
I disagree with your values.
I wasn't expecting you to agree!
At least two years ago, if his conversation about children is any indication.
I see, Do you think that Corazon knows Vergo's real name assuming that they all use code names and such?
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Great chapter. The clan of D. Cant wait to see how the rest of this plays out in the flashback. I would be cool if law was the one to defeat doflamingo but he's already at his limit with his ability. Luffy seems more of a natural enemy to DD than law in my eyes.
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Oh? So according to your Honor Code, debt to an enemy is more important for a military commander then punishing a traitor that tried to kill many of his loyal subordinates?
I disagree with your values.
Did you miss the part where the Marines are supposed to have an individual sense of Justice? Or did you miss the part when Smoker told Tashigi to figure out what her justice is in Alabasta?
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I see, Do you think that Corazon knows Vergo's real name assuming that they all use code names and such?
Didn't he call him Vergo when talking to Law? Why are you making me doubt myself!?
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Actually, disregarding one or two throwaway lines, he speaks very clearly. And that's the problem.
Stop tempting me to go into details. I want to do it properly.
Nah, I'm pretty sure we don't know his clear motives for staying away from Dofla, even if he clearly said he wants to remove the Schichibukai system.
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Franky partying with a bear was awesome, and one of the best things I've seen. Overall, the chapter was okay, but it felt lacking. I can't put my hand on it, but I just didn't find it as good as the last two chapters. Did like seeing Vergo with an egg on his face. I feel that next chapter will be the last chapter of the flashback.
I'm wondering if it's because the art and panel work in this chapter was deceptively static. Even the few panels indicating characters are moving, such as Roci hammering the Doctor feel constrained; Roci is standing delivering a kick to the doctor that seems to hit him into the border. Many panels feature standing characters or running shown from the waist up.
It's seems more muted than usual and wonder if this is meant to be a reflection of the 'quiet man' or just the matter of cramming a lot of story in.We seem to gave gotten the bulk of the story out and this reflected Law's part. Think next week we get how Dofla survived and built his gang and the Dofla/Roci showdown. Maybe we might get one more dealing with Law during it's aftermath.
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Wonder if Vergo's secret mission to infiltrate the marines started out as a mission to find a spy in the Donquixote family.
exactly, when vergo found out beat the crap out of law and mingo killed cora…
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Frankly, I don't see how Oda could miss an obvious plot hole like that.
Unless it's once again his annoying habit of spelling every tiny detail black on white. Practical reasoning : calling Vergo by a pseudonym may confuse part of the readership. In fact, I can totally picture the opposite situation where Roci would mention to Law how "that person", who is incidentally the former Corazon, is currently on a secret mission… Cue endless speculation from fans the world across as to wether said person is really Vergo or if one of the current admirals/any prominent suspicious character is Doflamingo's man.
So what does a writer do then ? Keep calling him with the name he previously went by and screw up details.
Not that I enjoy the result, but let's wait and see. Those spy games may provide a mighty fine explanation.
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I see, Do you think that Corazon knows Vergo's real name assuming that they all use code names and such?
He refers to him by name this very chapter.
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Did you miss the part where the Marines are supposed to have an individual sense of Justice? Or did you miss the part when Smoker told Tashigi to figure out what her justice is in Alabasta?
I missed the part where Smoker's debt towards pirates overcoming everything else was part of his justice.
Smoker's individual justice is not even that well defined for that matter.
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Nah, I'm pretty sure we don't know his clear motives for staying away from Dofla, even if he clearly said he wants to remove the Schichibukai system.
Stop tempting me!
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So before Doffy and Roccy left Mariejois with their father. Could Roccy have seen Doffy do things that were cruel and unbeknownst to the father? It seems Doffy may be a genuine holder of some form of psychopathy, as stated above.
Different and cruel as opposed to a bunch of people who consider it their right to shoot at those who look at them, shoot a man in the street and declare his wife theirs or ride a slave to death for amusement?
Seems Roci and his parents were the anomoly in that society. -
A list of doctors that are not drawn so comically ugly=
Kureha, Chopper, Law's parents, and Law himself
Also Hiluluk, and the Isshin-20.
And Crocus, Nako, Potsun, That guy who treated Lucci, Aladdin…
Hogback was a good doctor.
For a while.
Pity she's still in Med school and not yet gotten her license or I would add Kaya as the prettiest doctor of all
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I'm sure I'm not the only one to notice, but was that one of the tranny nurses that gave Sanji his blood transfusion in Fishman Island that I just saw at the first hospital Law & Corazon visited?
Those were Splash and Splatter … they were pirates who donated the blood, not nurses.
ITs possiblethe anime had them dress up as nurses but that scene is not canon and doesn't mean they were nursesEdit- yeh its an filler scene in the anime only
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Did Roci know about the secret that Doffy knows about Mariejois??
It makes a lot of sense for him to work as a spy if he does, otherwise his only motivation would be that his brother is a huge psycho, which frankly applies to a lot of the pirates.
And just that isn't really enough for him to turn against his brother.
Unless that is, he knows what exactly Doffy is trying to do, and that is still unknown to the readers.
