@Galaxy:
Autocorrect is an evil thing.
Ahh you were hit with the Autocorrect stick.
Chapter 776: The Colosseum Hero
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Ahh you were hit with the Autocorrect stick.
Yup its evil, when I type Luffy out on my phone it always wants to correct it as Fluffy for some reason.
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The Donquixote Family is NOT that weak. Kyros was supposed to be a certified beast, his feats are pretty astounding in fact. Did you guys forget how Buffalo, one of the most underwhelming doffy officers, actually stood some pretty devastating attacks from the Shogun + Nami's thunder, and still kept his consciousness just fine? And yet Kyros took him out without his sword in a second? And yet this same Kyros just lost a gallon of blood by fighting Diamante.
Talking about Franky, the guy just lost consciousness from his injuries. Most colosseum fighters that engaged the officers have ended up battered beyond recognition, this side of Sai who seems to be one of the few still standing. Sugar and Trebol easily took out Usopp and Robin, and Usopp got beaten to retardation and back.
You guys talk about the Doffy family as if they were the NFP. They're not. How underwhelming you feel they've been taken out is besides the point, cause where not talking about how exciting the fights have been, but how they stood as villains. And what they did is not less than standard arc villain fare.
The impression is that they are nothing special. Blame lies on Oda for not allowing them to score any points during this arc.
Oda portrayed an event in which Kyros managed to overpower Diamante with his sheer strength of resolve, but only thing I saw is an exhausted one legged guy who got shot in that same leg and got hit by multiple steel spiked balls win against Diamante with the power of asspull.
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A potential justification for the rampant one-shotting: the doflamingo pirates have gotten old, fat, lazy, and overconfident. That was the point of laws speech to doflami go on punk hazard. The doflamingo pirates have just been sitting on their hands while the new generation has been training and getting stronger; this is particularly visible when you compare the flashback doflamingo family to the present day family (notice how machine, jiola, and señor pink in particular where much more toned and combat ready).
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I personally ship the two together….
Is that wrong?
The delay in my response is due to your comment causing my brain to shut down in self defense.
I still cannot come up with anything like a coherent answer.
Sorry :)
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@tim:
A potential justification for the rampant one-shotting: the doflamingo pirates have gotten old, fat, lazy, and overconfident. That was the point of laws speech to doflami go on punk hazard. The doflamingo pirates have just been sitting on their hands while the new generation has been training and getting stronger; this is particularly visible when you compare the flashback doflamingo family to the present day family (notice how machine, jiola, and señor pink in particular where much more toned and combat ready).
And apparently, they also sniffed glue for the last 10 years.
I blame Trebol.
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Who's gonna defeat Reebok?
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Imho Kyros attack was great because it was simple and brutal and totally in character
Also him not using any names for attacks beside finisher was for me a proof of Kyros being one of "STRONG" characters.
Like Mihawk even for his big ass attacks is not using any names(yet).
Also it was quite fresh to end fight with simply overpowering one side. Kind of like fight of Zoro and Ryuma where Brook said that "power" users fight dont go on for long. Seems like that was the case here.
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The impression is that they are nothing special. Blame lies on Oda for not allowing them to score any points during this arc.
Oda portrayed an event in which Kyros managed to overpower Diamante with his sheer strength of resolve, but only thing I saw is an exhausted one legged guy who got shot in that same leg and got hit by multiple steel spiked balls win against Diamante with the power of asspull.
All I saw was a guy who deserved to win regardless of how it was achieved so I'm fine with the result.
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People had so many cool ideas for how Robin and Rebecca could contribute to this fight, and instead Diamante gets beat by a generic sword slash and the power of love.
Rebecca and Robin were useless, and the whole sexist "your hands are beautiful, so don't fight the guy who killed your mother I guess" thing was reinforced 200%. Oda SERIOUSLY needs to cut this shit out.
Kyros is a sexist
He's her father
Really, you should also take into consideration that Kyros tells Rebecca this not because he wants to "oppress" her or because she's a woman; but rather it's because it's a combination of his sense of ideals about pacifism and his feelings of protection for his daughter (which his characterization and history have emphasized); he's essentially doesn't want Rebecca to become like him because he doesn't think that he's a "good person" in his own eyes.
Honestly, you can debate this further if you wish; but not to sound rude (this is a bit of a vent), but honestly I'm sick and tired of so many people reading so shallowly into this. It's almost like you want to see sexism in everything
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This was an awesome chapter . Not sure why everyone and their mothers are bitching about it .
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Just re-read this chapter on MS and I''m liking it even more. The only disappointing thing for me is that this fight could've been a little longer, maybe 2 chapters, just because I was very eager to see more of Diamante's fluttering shenanigans. There's still hope though that maybe, just maybe, this isn't the end for Diamante yet as there isn't a victor box shown after the finishing blow (a victor box was shown for almost every officer fight climax, so I don't see why Oda won't show one for an executive).
Imho Kyros attack was great because it was simple and brutal and totally in character
Couldn't agree more. Yet some people were expecting some flashy move for a finisher.
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The delay in my response is due to your comment causing my brain to shut down in self defense.
I still cannot come up with anything like a coherent answer.
Sorry :)
Huh. On one of the other forums I visit, we have a joke shipping thread where we ship users together and post edited accompanying pics.
Wonder if I should bring it here….this place could use a thread were we all just sit back and screw around.
Sounds like fun? Do you think this place could handle it? XD
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The impression is that they are nothing special. Blame lies on Oda for not allowing them to score any points during this arc.
Oda portrayed an event in which Kyros managed to overpower Diamante with his sheer strength of resolve, but only thing I saw is an exhausted one legged guy who got shot in that same leg and got hit by multiple steel spiked balls win against Diamante with the power of asspull.
I see no asspull? So, he took tons of damage while being weakened/tired? Shonen protagonists surviving obscene amounts of damage with next to no stamina left is nothing new, and Oda is SPECIALLY guilty of this. Was it an asspull when Usopp survived getting batted in the face with a 4 Ton bat, then smashed through some stone ruins, and still have enough vitality left to win the fight? Or survive aproximately 100 explosions all over his body against Perona with just minor burns here and there? Or Zoro losing 4 gallons of blood against Mr.1? Hell, just 3 weeks ago Barto survived a massive explosion at point blank range + tons of poisonous hair all over his body just fine.
You meant the fact one slash seems enough to deal with Diamante? It was stated from the get go that Kyros strenght is monumental. Diamante has been dodging or parrying with his ability all along, no one told us he was a tank or anything of the like.
And the officers (not all of them, mind you) actually scored plenty of points, people have just decided that either 1-these points are not worth a damn, or 2-forgot about them.
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Oh yes, the wonder flower of Dressrosa. Can be cut with palm swipe, but steel spiked balls don't bother it much.
It doesn't bother me that much, to be honest. Cutting a single straw is easy, but cutting the whole bale is something else entirely because they're packed together tightly. Might work with weird sunflowers too.
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@Doffy.:
This was an awesome chapter . Not sure why everyone and their mothers are bitching about it .
I don't know maybe because people didn't find it awesome.
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The impression is that they are nothing special. Blame lies on Oda for not allowing them to score any points during this arc.
Oda portrayed an event in which Kyros managed to overpower Diamante with his sheer strength of resolve, but only thing I saw is an exhausted one legged guy who got shot in that same leg and got hit by multiple steel spiked balls win against Diamante with the power of asspull.
Where did you read the newest chapter of Fairy Tail?
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I think this is the first arc I've felt that the Strawhats were really just going in for assistance and not being at the fore front. I don't necessarily dislike that the people who were most affected by Doflamingo's actions get to participate. But I wish there was a better tag team combo happening. I do kinda dislike newer characters like Cavendish getting to take out major threats, no matter how much I like him. Robin keeps moving from fight to fight without really getting into the fray. And half the crew isn't even on the island. It's weird. I mean yay for mixing it up, but boo for not seeing all the Strawhats in the climax.
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Okay, that chapter brought a tear to one of my eyes and a smile to my face. Kyros finally did it!. He avenged his wife. It was a good chapter for what it was.
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I personally ship the two together….
Is that wrong?
They're more like Kyros and Rebecca. lol
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Because it's not worth the time energy and processing power to do so.
I disagree, Darth has some very interesting views on the series, and discusses them with great depth and good arguments. But his views are often quite controversial I'll give you that ^^
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It'd have been nice for Rebecca to do something physical but then we'd have had the whole "but Rebecca is a weakling lol power scaling" can of worms opened.
People do seem to forget that Rebecca already fought with Diamante in the Colosseum and was getting the crap beat out of her. Physically and verbally. Someone who was only taught to defend and won by knocking her off-balance opponents into a pool of water can't win when 1) There's no water around and 2) The opponent, by nature of his fruit, can't be knocked off balance. The only way to beat Diamante was through sheer brute force strength.
That doesn't work here.
A willing suspension of disbelief is necessary for reading a work such as this, but it should not defy common sense. If Oda drew a scene in which a thin sheet of paper stops a cut from experienced swordsman, you wouldn't go "Logic does not apply", you would go "This is stupid".
You say this in a fight where a man is fighting with only one leg and moving really damn quick while he does so. Logic has been gone out the window.
But… that is not how it portrayed here.
Rebecca's actions are not portrayed as heroic, but rather as her making a grievous mistake.
Kyros motivation for telling her to lay down the sword are not for her safety, but upholding the ideals her mother stood for.
This is some pretty terrible things we are dealing here. Not to mention the dichotomy between the glorified pacifism message, and the fact that everything rests on violently beating people up. You cannot promote pacifism and vigilantism at the same time, dammit!
It's also some-what for her safety. Chronologically, when we first meet Kyros, he's taken revenge for the death of his friend. We would then go on to see how much this tormented him and how he never quite recovered. "Clean hands" versus those that are dirty are quite serious to Kyros. Remember in the flashback about how he refused to touch Scarlet for the longest time, and how he always wore gloves around Rebecca become his hands were so stained he didn't want them to be made unpure? Somehow, after 10 years of fighting, Rebecca's hands are still clean, and Kyros wants them to remain that way. She is willing to sacrifice that part of her, as we see in this chapter, but Kyros knows what it may do to her if she does. It's not a message of pacifism; it's a message of a father who has been guilt ridden that he failed to save his wife, his kingdom, and his daughter for ten years and only wants his child to be able to sleep easy at night, and wants to give her the life she has never really been able to have.
I understand that some people are still not going to find this line of motivation reasonable for whatever reason they have. But it is a clear one that has been well developed throughout this entire arc.
Yup.
He'll get one-shotted, and the last panel will be Zoro smirking while muttering a "badass" one liner.I'm not sure if people here understand the term "one-shotted." Zoro already dealt a blow to Pica and he's still going strong. Therefore, he cannot be one-shotted.
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I feel like a lot of people are suffering from some severe arc fatigue right now. My recommendation is: after the arc ends, take a couple weeks and then go back and read the thing through. I travel a lot for job at the moment, so I have read it through several times in several different spots, and it, much like Skypiea, works so much better when read in volume form. Dressrosa works exceptionally well, as it is essentially the tale of two arcs. Everything before the toys are turned back really feels like its own deal with the tournament stuff, and after it feels like a new arc gets going as the battle againts Doffy actually begins. Really good stuff that works superbly when going through without a week break between chapters.
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The amount of salt on this thread is too much. I don't really care about fights being resolved in 1-2 chapters. The man has a story to tell and he needs to finish it in 10-20 years. Look at where Bleach is after years of long drawn-out fights. Hell, I don't think many people liked watching two people standing at the same spot, groaning and staring for a bunch of episodes in Dragon Ball Z either. I don't want One Piece to end up that way.
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Kyros is a sexist
He's her father
Really, you should also take into consideration that Kyros tells Rebecca this not because he wants to "oppress" her or because she's a woman; but rather it's because it's a combination of his sense of ideals about pacifism and his feelings of protection for his daughter (which his characterization and history have emphasized); he's essentially doesn't want Rebecca to become like him because he doesn't think that he's a "good person" in his own eyes.
Honestly, you can debate this further if you wish; but not to sound rude (this is a bit of a vent), but honestly I'm sick and tired of so many people reading so shallowly into this. It's almost like you want to see sexism in everything
Kyros isn't sexist, Oda is. There's a reason why, after close to 800 chapters, we still haven't seen a single prominent female character that gets into serious physical fights like Zoro or Sanji do.
Rebecca is the closest Oda has ever come to showing a serious female melee fighter in OP, and she's still a crybaby wreck of a character. The fact that Oda chose to make her outfit a tribute to Red Sonja, a character 1000% times more badass than her, says a lot. It's like he completely missed the part where Sonja was a brutal fighter in addition to being a sexy woman.
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That was the most pathetic and boring chapter. All the time I was hoping for Diamante killing Kyros or something interesting to happen. Oda should bring Luffy & Law vs Doflamingo fight REALLY soon, because without them or Zoro or Sanji, Dressrosa is boring as fuck and starting to annoy me.
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Kyros isn't sexist, Oda is. There's a reason why, after close to 800 chapters, we still haven't seen a single prominent female character that gets into serious physical fights like Zoro or Sanji do.
Rebecca is the closest Oda has ever come to showing a serious female melee fighter in OP, and she's still a crybaby wreck of a character. The fact that Oda chose to make her outfit a tribute to Red Sonja, a character 1000% times more badass than her, says a lot. It's like he completely missed the part where Sonja was a brutal fighter in addition to being a sexy woman.
Hancock? Kalifa? Sandersonia? Mariegold? Tashigi? If they don't count nothing does.
Also for those complaining about 1 hit for 1 chapter. Daz Bones was taken out in 1 hit once he was figured out. Ryuma was taken out in 1 hit once Zoro actually landed a strike and that was truly in 1 chapter unlike this battle. Kyros isn't a Straw Hat and with so much going on there is no need to flesh out that battle any further than it needs to.
Folks who read One Piece… Just better people. ¯\(ツ)/¯
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Hancock? Kalifa? Sandersonia? Mariegold? Tashigi? If they don't count nothing does.
Hancock- Turns men into stone with her beauty. To my knowledge, has never actually been hit in a fight.
Sandersonia & Mariegold- Not traditionally beautiful women.
Tashigi- Has never really done anything cool. Let's not reopen the can of worms that was Zoro humiliating her in the fight against Monet.
No beautiful woman in OP will ever fight the way Sanji fights, nor will they get beaten the way Nami beats on the male crew members.
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Didn't come under the impression that this whole clash between Kyros and Diamante is completely over. The fight could be for all intents and purposes but really just expected to see some more development for Diamante's character. It would be disappointing if he doesn't get any.
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Kyros isn't sexist, Oda is. There's a reason why, after close to 800 chapters, we still haven't seen a single prominent female character that gets into serious physical fights like Zoro or Sanji do.
Rebecca is the closest Oda has ever come to showing a serious female melee fighter in OP, and she's still a crybaby wreck of a character. The fact that Oda chose to make her outfit a tribute to Red Sonja, a character 1000% times more badass than her, says a lot. It's like he completely missed the part where Sonja was a brutal fighter in addition to being a sexy woman.
I see you're a fan of Kill la Kill, so am I.
But just not having having a monstrously "strong" (as in the physical sense) female character in a series isn't outright sexist (maybe a little disappointing); what matters more is who they are, and what they do that gets you to care for them. For instance, Robin biting the stone on the bridge of hesitation is far more impactful and awesome to me than if she could demolish an island with her pinky. Hell, as a testament to my reasoning here, Ussop is one of my favorite characters in the entire series. Strength isn't everything.
And not to mention, though they aren't "top-teir" fights; there are a number of battles in OP, where female characters put themselves through hell, and come out awesome. Sure when they clash the sky doesn't split or some other impossible feat; but on it's own it's still engaging.
I understand your frustration though man; I too would like to see a really strong female character in OP, and I will admit even I was a little disappointed with Rebecca. But I can respect and understand why she is the way she is, and it doesn't bother me. All I'm saying is that it's OK to be disappointed; but interpreting it as outright sexism is a little silly.
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Kyros isn't sexist, Oda is. There's a reason why, after close to 800 chapters, we still haven't seen a single prominent female character that gets into serious physical fights like Zoro or Sanji do.
Whoa now. Let's not escalate that quite so quickly. Robin and Nami have both had one-on-one fights in this series. We have an entire Island of incredibly powerful women warriors. We have Tsuru and her crew of bad ass marine women. We have Bonney. We have Big Mom, one of the strongest people in the world. And that's only for the characters that fight, and yes we haven't seen some of them fight (yet) but they're definitely fighting. This series has a lot of strong female characters. But yes, the men out number them. More should definitely be introduced to the story; I am not going to argue that.
But when it comes to fights, they're there. Yes Robin and Nami don't get that many one-on-ones compared to Zoro and Sanji (who actually hasn't had one since Thriller Bark, mind you, as he took down Wadatsumi with Jinbei) But neither do Usopp, Chopper, Brook, or Franky.
Zoro is guaranteed a fight every arc, because that's literally all he does, much like Luffy. He has no other role on the ship except to fight. No one else is going to get to fight every arc, especially a one-on-one.
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@Mr0:
I disagree, Darth has some very interesting views on the series, and discusses them with great depth and good arguments. But his views are often quite controversial I'll give you that ^^
His ideas are always an enjoyable read to me at least.its always fun to read but generally just seems kinda pointless for the other party involved.
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I see no asspull? So, he took tons of damage while being weakened/tired? Shonen protagonists surviving obscene amounts of damage with next to no stamina left is nothing new, and Oda is SPECIALLY guilty of this. Was it an asspull when Usopp survived getting batted in the face with a 4 Ton bat, then smashed through some stone ruins, and still have enough vitality left to win the fight? Or survive aproximately 100 explosions all over his body against Perona with just minor burns here and there? Or Zoro losing 4 gallons of blood against Mr.1? Hell, just 3 weeks ago Barto survived a massive explosion at point blank range + tons of poisonous hair all over his body just fine.
You meant the fact one slash seems enough to deal with Diamante? It was stated from the get go that Kyros strenght is monumental. Diamante has been dodging or parrying with his ability all along, no one told us he was a tank or anything of the like.
And the officers (not all of them, mind you) actually scored plenty of points, people have just decided that either 1-these points are not worth a damn, or 2-forgot about them.
The problem is, what should have been a tough fight has been fragmented and condensed so it doesn't look like much of a fight. Kyros fights with one leg against a Colliseum champion devil fruit user? Let's just shoot that leg and see how it goes. Nope, no effect. I mean, Oda could have just made Diamante cut Kyros' remaining leg and Kyros would still hop on one of his arms and defeat Diamante with the sword held with his other arms. At which point does it just become too much? Wouldn't want for OP to become a series in which wounds and fatigue play no importance (even though it happened in various situations) and it all comes down to power of feelings. Like in some other manga one of the users here mentioned.
I'm not saying one slash shouldn't be enough to defeat Diamante, but his performance in this whole arc has been pretty pathetic. Honestly, I didn't expect much from this fight, but this was worse than I expected. There is a time for dialogue and there is a time for fighting. Most of the times, when you combine the two, it doesn't quite work out. I'd be happier with Kyros keeping silent in cold rage and Diamante actually focused on the fight instead of taunting all the time and forgetting he can use his ability. What's the point of giving a character an ability like that if he's going to waste it on confetti?
I'd like to know what those points were. Some of them managed to pull out a few good moves, but all in all, since this arc is so cramped, their momentum was awfully lacking.
Where did you read the newest chapter of Fairy Tail?
Lol, it does sound like something out of Fairy Tail.
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Tashigi- Has never really done anything cool. Let's not reopen the can of worms that was Zoro humiliating her in the fight against Monet.
I feel tempted to re-open it.
For the life of me I still don't understand how this is sexist.
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Hancock- Turns men into stone with her beauty. To my knowledge, has never actually been hit in a fight.
Sandersonia & Mariegold- Not traditionally beautiful women.
Tashigi- Has never really done anything cool. Let's not reopen the can of worms that was Zoro humiliating her in the fight against Monet.
No beautiful woman in OP will ever fight the way Sanji fights, nor will they get beaten the way Nami beats on the male crew members.
Pretty much spot on. A freaking children show like Power Puff girls treated girls with more respect then goddamn Oda for whome every beautiful woman is a fragile figurine that should never be touched or god forbid use her fists
Also. That was one hell of a pathetic attack. Really? An iron rain. That's it? Every high level swordsman would eaisly deflect those and and you have tekkai this would be as good as useless
@Nex:
Whoa now. Let's not escalate that quite so quickly. Robin and Nami have both had one-on-one fights in this series. We have an entire Island of incredibly powerful women warriors. We have Tsuru and her crew of bad ass marine women. We have Bonney. We have Big Mom, one of the strongest people in the world. And that's only for the characters that fight, and yes we haven't seen some of them fight (yet) but they're definitely fighting. This series has a lot of strong female characters. But yes, the men out number them. More should definitely be introduced to the story; I am not going to argue that.
But when it comes to fights, they're there. Yes Robin and Nami don't get that many one-on-ones compared to Zoro and Sanji (who actually hasn't had one since Thriller Bark, mind you, as he took down Wadatsumi with Jinbei) But neither do Usopp, Chopper, Brook, or Franky.
Zoro is guaranteed a fight every arc, because that's literally all he does, much like Luffy. He has no other role on the ship except to fight. No one else is going to get to fight every arc, especially a one-on-one.
We are talking physical fights here. That's the annoying thing. Oda never lets any beautiful woman have an actual physical fight. And this is not just some oh I didn't notice I was doing this. This is absolute delieberate sexism by Oda. He goes out of his way to make sure they never happened with the most humiliating example being Kalifa.
And before the usual idiots come here and repeat the same idiotic things about woman simply being naturally weaker shut your stupid mouths. This is the goddamn One Piece universe. Biological strength means nothing. There are no limits. There is absolutely nothing preventing a woman (yes even a beautiful one since as we have seen multiple times strength has nothing to do with body shape )from being just as strong as tough as a man except for Oda -
Pretty much spot on. A freaking children show like Power Puff girls treated girls with more respect then goddamn Oda for whome every beautiful woman is a fragile figurine that should never be touched or god forbid use her fists
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@Nex:
People do seem to forget that Rebecca already fought with Diamante in the Colosseum and was getting the crap beat out of her. Physically and verbally. Someone who was only taught to defend and won by knocking her off-balance opponents into a pool of water can't win when 1) There's no water around and 2) The opponent, by nature of his fruit, can't be knocked off balance. The only way to beat Diamante was through sheer brute force strength.
It's also some-what for her safety. Chronologically, when we first meet Kyros, he's taken revenge for the death of his friend. We would then go on to see how much this tormented him and how he never quite recovered. "Clean hands" versus those that are dirty are quite serious to Kyros. Remember in the flashback about how he refused to touch Scarlet for the longest time, and how he always wore gloves around Rebecca become his hands were so stained he didn't want them to be made unpure? Somehow, after 10 years of fighting, Rebecca's hands are still clean, and Kyros wants them to remain that way. She is willing to sacrifice that part of her, as we see in this chapter, but Kyros knows what it may do to her if she does. It's not a message of pacifism; it's a message of a father who has been guilt ridden that he failed to save his wife, his kingdom, and his daughter for ten years and only wants his child to be able to sleep easy at night, and wants to give her the life she has never really been able to have.
I understand that some people are still not going to find this line of motivation reasonable for whatever reason they have. But it is a clear one that has been well developed throughout this entire arc.
THANK YOU.
It baffles me how many people still don't get this.
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In this case, I don't really agree. I figure if Kyros had a son, he would feel the same way about it nonetheless. One of his entire reasons for living that his offspring should never have the taint he carried with him as a youth–being branded a "killer" and being condemned to an life of bloodletting and redemption. That was his curse and he'll be damned if he passes it onto his heir. An almost religious theme there.
Also, I found the fight rather satisfying. This is certainly one of the biggest troll fights in the series. Diamante only went down because he underestimated not Kyros' skill, but just how damned crazy he is! Also, there's no guarantee Diamante has gone down just yet. There might be a phase 2 of the fight with wounded Diamante. But even if there's not, I liked it overall.
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The problem is, what should have been a tough fight has been fragmented and condensed so it doesn't look like much of a fight. Kyros fights with one leg against a Colliseum champion devil fruit user? Let's just shoot that leg and see how it goes. Nope, no effect. I mean, Oda could have just made Diamante cut Kyros' remaining leg and Kyros would still hop on one of his arms and defeat Diamante with the sword held with his other arms. At which point does it just become too much? Wouldn't want for OP to become a series in which wounds and fatigue play no importance (even though it happened in various situations) and it all comes down to power of feelings. Like in some other manga one of the users here mentioned.
I'm not saying one slash shouldn't be enough to defeat Diamante, but his performance in this whole arc has been pretty pathetic. Honestly, I didn't expect much from this fight, but this was worse than I expected. There is a time for dialogue and there is a time for fighting. Most of the times, when you combine the two, it doesn't quite work out. I'd be happier with Kyros keeping silent in cold rage and Diamante actually focused on the fight instead of taunting all the time and forgetting he can use his ability. What's the point of giving a character an ability like that if he's going to waste it on confetti?
I'd like to know what those points were. Some of them managed to pull out a few good moves, but all in all, since this arc is so cramped, their momentum was awfully lacking.
I'll agree about the momentum being lacking, and this applies to a lot of the personal and physical conflicts during the climax, but I think reading in volume format might help that a bit. Still haven't tried that, so I can't tell you about it.
Then again, Diamante has shown plenty of DF related tricks. Fluttery ground? Fluttery body? Snake sword? Iron umbrella? Iron cape? Belt mace? If anything, I'm kinda disappointed we didn't see more of his fluttery body technique, it seems excellent for dodging, yet if I'm not mistaken he only used it in combat once. And I liked his Half Moon Glaive, since that proves he has strength beyond his DF; again, a shame he didn't have some other sword related technique.
And I'll have to strongly disagree on the confetti and the gun. The gun was useful, since it stopped Kyros dead in its tracks and made him eat a gazillion raining spikes. Of course it wasn't gonna be definitive, it's a freaking gun in One Piece. And, c'mon, the way he set up those confetti canons was the best thing about the chapter, and confetti turning into a rain of iron spikes? That's the single most creative thing in the chapter.
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Life can be sweet and sour…Robin kicking Trebol's ass will be both.
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The problem is not that there are no female fighters, just that they very rarely get a notable fight compared to the male fighters. I think Oda's reluctance to have women hurt is well-meaning, he doesn't want to come off as mysogonist; alternatively he wants to be "polite", which is a very annoying attitude. It just comes off as sexist because it's straight up in the opposite spectrum where women don't almost get hurt at all. Very typical for shounen series.
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Find me one picture of a beautiful woman in the manga or anime who ends up looking anything like this…
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…and I'll drop my argument.
It just never happens.
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Find me one picture of a beautiful woman in the manga or anime who ends up looking anything like this…
…and I'll drop my argument.
It just never happens.
So, in order for beautiful women to be "respected", they have to end up like that?
Isn't the whole point of those images to tell that the character looks ridiculous and undignified?
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Find me one picture of a beautiful woman in the manga or anime who ends up looking anything like this…
…and I'll drop my argument.
It just never happens.
So, in order for women to be "respected", they have to end up like that?
Yep. I'm a woman, and that's what I'm saying. If you can tarnish the handsomeness of attractive men for the sake of a gag, you had better tarnish the beauty of attractive women.
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Yep. I'm a woman, and that's what I'm saying. If you can tarnish the handsomeness of attractive men for the sake of a gag, you had better tarnish the beauty of attractive women.
Cavendish, the prettiest man in One Piece, never had his beauty tarnished.
In fact, he never got hit.
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So, in order for women to be "respected", they have to end up like that?
See, you're doing it, too. It's very hard to realize that that counts as sexism, too because of the typical standards. It's not necessarily "respect", rather equality, you know, the idea behind it.
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Find me one picture of a beautiful woman in the manga or anime who ends up looking anything like this…
…and I'll drop my argument.
It just never happens.
Well, there aren't that many men that end up like this either, so.
Anyway, this argument should be shot down before it escalate to unwanted levels!!
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Cavendish, the prettiest man in One Piece, never had his beauty tarnished.
In fact, he never got hit.
One man not getting beaten doesn't make up for no women ever getting beaten.
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See, you're doing it, too. It's very hard to realize that that counts as sexism, too because of the typical standards. It's not respect, rather equality.
I just find it funny that the argument about respect for women means exaggerated physical deformation done for laughs.
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One man not getting beaten doesn't make up for no women ever getting beaten.
It's not about gender, but beauty.
After all, women that aren't ridiculously pretty do get beaten plenty.
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This chapter reads significantly better if you ignore the two panels where Rebecca is crying again. She's vastly more entertaining when she's outraged.
Also, Kyros channeling DBZ Abridged Vegeta: "My heart IS pure. Pure, unadulterated
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The problem is that it is about gender. There might be a few exceptions, but it's about patterns and "beautiful" women not getting hurt is a very visible pattern. You know, the idea behind it.
