I'm not disagreeing with that, merely questioning the relevance to this particular topic that the thread is supposed to be about
It's better than power level discussion … wait, that's another thread :ninja:
I'm not disagreeing with that, merely questioning the relevance to this particular topic that the thread is supposed to be about
It's better than power level discussion … wait, that's another thread :ninja:
He could have tried to interrogate them first at the very least.
From a chronological perspective, that's a loss of efficiency.
From a chronological perspective, that's a loss of efficiency.
Whatever. He failed anyway.
It's kinda hard to argue that he was being efficient when he failed to accomplish his job.
Besides I thought the point of the Marines was the good of the people. Not "efficiency" at the cost of a ship full of people.
Whatever. He failed anyway.
It's kinda hard to argue that he was being efficient when he failed to accomplish his job.
Well yeah, if he wanted to be more efficient, he would have needed more power at the time.
Like, enough to order Kuzan around. Or, if I wanted to be ridiculous, enough to siege the entire island by himself.
Besides I thought the point of the Marines was the good of the people. Not "efficiency" at the cost of a ship full of people.
Obviously I can't speak for Akainu, but I imagine he believed stopping the spread of knowledge about the Ancient Kingdom at all costs was for the good of the people.
Besides I thought the point of the Marines was the good of the people. Not "efficiency" at the cost of a ship full of people.
Ship Full of People vs. World Ending because of Ancient Weapons. One includes a lot more deaths
Ship Full of People vs. World Ending because of Ancient Weapons. One includes a lot more deaths
Well, Robin is still around.
Well, taking someone to Eternal Hell is about as bad as killing them.
Yet your humane solution for taking care of the people of Ohara is the same god damn thing.
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Well, Robin is still around.
Who's fault is that exactly?
Ship Full of People vs. World Ending because of Ancient Weapons. One includes a lot more deaths
I'm just going to remind the thread that you're the guy who was arguing that Coby is the final villain in the series lol.
Who's fault is that exactly?
Robin's. Because at that point in the series she had frickin' agency and clung to a bridge with her frickin' teeth.
@Monkey:
I'm just going to remind the thread that you're the guy who was arguing that Coby is the final villain in the series lol.
what does that have to do with anything?
this is a new discussion.
and yeah, was wrong about that.
Ship Full of People vs. World Ending because of Ancient Weapons. One includes a lot more deaths
I get that there was that but the WG should IMO have deported then to some remote island.
I get that there was that but the WG should IMO have deported then to some remote island.
but
now i have people saying eternal damnation is just as bad as killing them.
but
now i have people saying eternal damnation is just as bad as killing them.
I never mentioned eternal damnation I said deportation.
Or they could have just.
Y'know.
Checked the whole ship LOL.
I get that there was that but the WG should IMO have deported then to some remote island.
Which means they could escape. It took them years to make a connection between Ohara and Ponyglyphs and they still cannot catch Robin. So except if they send to Imperel Down I doubt they could keep them without risk.
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Or they could have just.
Y'know.
Checked the whole ship LOL.
I don't remember the scholars having any distinctive mark.
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Well, Robin is still around.
Because Aokiji (VA from the marine) gave her a way to escape.
I personally don't see blackbeard as the final villain, I see him as more the main opposition to finding One Piece.
But to me One Piece is not the end of the story but the beginning, that is the Pirate Kings journey was incomplete and it is in the hands of the new generation to find that treasure and challenge the world to a fight.
So the final enemy is the world! :ninja:
I don't remember the scholars having any distinctive mark.
a) Any marine with half a brain would check the tree of knowledge for a record on active scholars before blasting it. Heck, I'm pretty sure that the marines went "thats all of them!" when gathering the scholars in the plaza, and it was Robins luck that she was an underage "unofficial" member.
b) Are you telling me the people of Ohara wouldn't rat out a stowaway scholar instantly? "We have reason to suspect that a scholar is-" "ITS HIM, TAKE HIM!"
The funny thing about this absolute justice is impel down…, wishy washy convictions from the WG
1)Killed his brother in front of his eyes;
2)Made him a huge scar , I think luffy said it hurts everytime he said Akainu's name.
Blackbeard has nothing on Akainu.
2)Made him a huge scar , I think luffy said it hurts everytime he said Akainu's name.
Harry potter … ?
The funny thing about this absolute justice is impel down…, wishy washy convictions from the WG
I don't really get what you mean by this?
I don't really get what you mean by this?
The escapee? Level 6 escapee? Where any one of them can give a high level of danger to any country and it's peoples?
The escapee? Level 6 escapee? Where any one of them can give a high level of danger to any country and it's peoples?
I'm still not following you…how is that a wishy washy conviction/have anything to do with absolute justice?
I'm still not following you…how is that a wishy washy conviction/have anything to do with absolute justice?
Isn't it better to kill them from the start (for the greater good) rather than imprison them, which made them a potential danger?
Isn't it better to kill them from the start (for the greater good) rather than imprison them, which made them a potential danger?
Hmm, now I get you.
I'm assuming it was more beneficial/tortuous to simply erase them from history rather than killing them outright.
It is quite silly though, I'll give you that.
Whitebeard foreshodowed it all.
Listen to the last words of Whitebeard.
The final fight will happen after the One Piece is found and one man will challenge the world.
Who is the world technically? The world goverment.
So the last battle battle will be Akainu.
@MJR.:
Whitebeard foreshodowed it all.
Listen to the last words of Whitebeard.
The final fight will happen after the One Piece is found and one man will challenge the world.
Who is the world technically? The world goverment.So the last battle battle will be Akainu.
Akainu is essentially just a fascist toady for the actual leaders of the WG though.
I'm not sure but blackbeard's way too obvious.
I'm not sure but blackbeard's way too obvious.
Exactly.
When you hear hooves, think horse, not zebra.
a horse/zebra has more than one hoof, normally four hooves.
Yeah lol, hahah, but usually they move the right front one, unless their walking.
I was fine with the rampant facism but grammar nazi's? That's where i draw the line
@LordEnel:
Hooves is plural.
Well that's just terrifically pedantic, good sir.
I was usurping the attempted grammar Nazi…. I'm a freedom fighter.
The final fight will be Coby, him and Luffy arranged a duel in the new world yet Coby is still leagues beneath him. It makes sense for it to be final fight.
It just reminded me of the movie the other guys , I didn't sound right in singular.
Terry: I mean, when you hear hooves, you think horses, not zebras. Allen: What about donkeys or deer? They have hooves. What about bovine creatures?
I was usurping the attempted grammar Nazi…. I'm a freedom fighter.
The final fight will be Coby, him and Luffy arranged a duel in the new world yet Coby is still leagues beneath him. It makes sense for it to be final fight.
If that does happen, it'll be an epilogue kind of thing after the real final battle.
Coby isn't and won't ever be a "villain" in my estimation.
Yet your humane solution for taking care of the people of Ohara is the same god damn thing.
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Who's fault is that exactly?
First it's not my solution, those are solutions of courses of actions that could have been taken instead of ARBITRARY killing all those people. Second I don't remember posting solution about torturing people and putting them in cages for life. You can isolate group of people without making their conditions a hell.
I am one of those very few people who think that Coby has the best chances to be Luffys last opponent, and defeat him in the end. I wonder if there is anyone willing to agree with me?
This reason why I think Akainu can't be the final villain is because he's too weak, and it doesn't seem like he'll get any stronger, he's already over 55 years old, so it is reasonable to expect that he should soon start weakening. I think it is safe to assume that EOS Luffy will be at least as strong as Roger was, probably even stronger, maybe even much stronger, and we know that Roger>=Prime Whitebeard>>>>Old Whitebeard>Akainu. So unless Akainu gets some unexpected power up, I don't see how could he be a final villain, since he is at best an average yonkou level.
On the other hand Blackbeard's power could potentially be limitless, as he's searching for the strongest DF users and then absorbs their powers. But it is pretty obvious by now that BB will most likely be Luffy's main rival for the title of the Pirate King, and story will not end with Luffy becoming the PK.
The Gorosei are the ones which are controlling the whole world, and they do look powerful, but we still don't know exactly how powerful they are. If they are as powerful as their status implies, then they could easily be the final enemy.
Finally we have Coby, a weakling a coward and insecure little boy, but a boy with a dream to become Luffy's equal and fight him as a marine admiral. Also, Coby is improving at faster rate than any other OP character, and if he keeps on improving at the same rate, he should be able to reach Luffy's level. But I think he'll probably need one more time skip to catch up with Luffy.
First it's not my solution, those are solutions of courses of actions that could have been taken instead of ARBITRARY killing all those people. Second I don't remember posting solution about torturing people and putting them in cages for life. You can isolate group of people without making their conditions a hell.
I disagree. Taking away someone's freedom to live where they want and do what they want is hell. And as Darth pointed out, someone would break in and try to free one of the scholars for that information.
Imagine never being able to leave, see friends, start a company, vacation.
I disagree. Taking away someone's freedom to live where they want and do what they want is hell. And as Darth pointed out, someone would break in and try to free one of the scholars for that information.
Imagine never being able to leave, see friends, start a company, vacation.
Well from the start most people just stays in one place and gets on with their lives. To limit someone freedom that way is cruel, and by no means just, but no where near comparable to death or life long of imprisonment and tortures. Remember that those people would stay with their families and friends, not alone, and the was virtually no reason to not let them live peacefully. Besides to go that route is super paranoid in the first place. Even if they were to be put under quarantine, it shouldn't be permanent. You know, quarantines are normal, justifiable procedures, even though they put people in unfavourable conditions whereas mass murdering innocent people is not.
Lets be clear here from the start it's World Government who does injustice here. Killing people or imprisoning them in hell is bigger injustice than limiting some aspects of their freedom. For one thing quarantine can lifted and people can go back to normal without sustaining much harm - you can reverse that state. You won't revive dead people.
Mind you probability of normal citizens of Ohara knowing phoneglyph is just as big as probability of any other people around the world or comparable. To be sure you would need to kill everyone in the world.
I am one of those very few people who think that Coby has the best chances to be Luffys last opponent, and defeat him in the end. I wonder if there is anyone willing to agree with me?
What makes you think they'll be on opposing sides at the end.
Well from the start most people just stays in one place and gets on with their lives. To limit someone freedom that way is cruel, and by no means just, but no where near comparable to death or life long of imprisonment and tortures. Remember that those people would stay with their families and friends, not alone, and the was virtually no reason to not let them live peacefully. Besides to go that route is super paranoid in the first place. Even if they were to be put under quarantine, it shouldn't be permanent. You know, quarantines are normal, justifiable procedures, even though they put people in unfavourable conditions whereas mass murdering innocent people is not.
Lets be clear here from the start it's World Government who does injustice here. Killing people or imprisoning them in hell is bigger injustice than limiting some aspects of their freedom. For one thing quarantine can lifted and people can go back to normal without sustaining much harm - you can reverse that state. You won't revive dead people.
Mind you probability of normal citizens of Ohara knowing phoneglyph is just as big as probability of any other people around the world or comparable. To be sure you would need to kill everyone in the world.
OK this makes sense to me. It's tough to draw that line of freedom vs. security. But I suppose I'd agree, maybe it wasn't justified after all. Especially considering the fact that people like Violet exist. Makes me believe the government would have a defined way of knowing the truth. But it's all bullshit anyways because the government is based on a lie. When everything about the scenario is wrong it's hard to pin the blame on one guy or decision.
If Luffy defeats fleet admiral Akainu, the WG will simply replace him. However, if akainu was given a spot within the gorosei, having him as the final villain would make much more sense, if the SHs fight the rest of the gorosei as well.
Gol.D.Roger is the final villain. He is waiting for Luffy at Raftel.
@Monkey:
What makes you think they'll be on opposing sides at the end.
One is a marine, and the other is a pirate. I didn't know I'll need more reason than that.
One is a marine, and the other is a pirate. I didn't know I'll need more reason than that.
Then you don't know enough to participate in this thread yet. Keep reading, less posting, for now.
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If Luffy defeats fleet admiral Akainu, the WG will simply replace him. However, if akainu was given a spot within the gorosei, having him as the final villain would make much more sense, if the SHs fight the rest of the gorosei as well.
Yeah the seemingly ageless old men who have been the same old men since at least 20 years ago who are not part of the Marines command structure, are clearly some sort of thing Marine Admirals rotate into.
@Monkey:
Yeah the seemingly ageless old men who have been the same old men since at least 20 years ago who are not part of the Marines command structure, are clearly some sort of thing Marine Admirals rotate into.
MK, I'm curious about this. Do they really look exactly the same 20 years ago?
One is a marine, and the other is a pirate. I didn't know I'll need more reason than that.
It's not like something like this already happened.