Every facet of her character so far has to do with Dressrosa; the lightning soldier guy, her father figure Kyros/Ricky, and defeating Doflamingo. Until anything else about Rebecca is even hinted at that could link her to traveling the outside world she is not a candidate.
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No, no , There is NOTHING linking her to Dressrosa, nothing at all.
Except all of those gaping plot points which involve her and other Dressrosa characters,
centered around specifically, yup you guessed it , Dressrosa.In B4 Rebecca is the 2nd coming of Shirahoshi.
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Rebecca is a "Vivi" character.
Both have troubles with a kingdom.
Females with a father that is in trouble.
Seemingly weak until Luffy decides to help her out.
Father is in conflict with the main protagonist of the arc.As for the giant, I don't think he would be a good add to the crew because Ussop is already one who relates to the giants of Elbaf for the SH, and the giant doesn't look that important to this arc …...so far.
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No, no , There is NOTHING linking her to Dressrosa, nothing at all.
Except all of those gaping plot points which involve her and other Dressrosa characters,
centered around specifically, yup you guessed it , Dressrosa.In B4 Rebecca is the 2nd coming of Shirahoshi.
Every facet of her character so far has to do with Dressrosa; the lightning soldier guy, her father figure Kyros/Ricky, and defeating Doflamingo. Until anything else about Rebecca is even hinted at that could link her to traveling the outside world she is not a candidate.
The things that are linking her to dressrosa are her goals and there is no way she could achieve any of these goals ever without the help of the strawhats.
*she can't kill doflamingo even with the mera mera, that won't happen until later on in the story.
*she can't live with the soldier guy because she won't win the tournament (unless luffy lets her)she isn't linked to dresrossa because none of her goals can be accomplished there(atleast for now)
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The only thing that I see that is linking her to Dressrosa is the fact that she wants to live with the toy soldier guy and we don't know why she wants to or when that could happen.
The toy is obviously native to the island, and it's obvious that Rebecca is as well. They are trying to destroy the factory and presumably liberate those involved. The burden is on you to prove that she has even a single reason to be anywhere else ever in her life, given everything up until now in her life has been about Dressrosa. These points are linked to the text below…
Her goal is to defeat doflamingo by obtaining the mera mera no mi and winning the tournament. Honestly, the only way she will accomplish any of these tasks is by the straw hats help and even if she does get the mera mera fruit, I still doubt that she would be able to defeat doflamingo- not even with luffy's or laws help. the only way she will live with the toy soldier is if she achieves her goals (which we know little about) and the only way she can achieve these goals is if she gets stronger.
Putting aside the ultimate fate of Doflamingo for a moment, it's obvious that Luffy's crew will successfully destroy the factory and cause grief with Kaidou, so on that front Rebecca's short term goals should be easily accomplished. The wrench in her plans are the whole 'living with toy soldier' aspect, which may or may not be complicated by Doflamingo's status at the end of this arc. I don't see Doflamingo going down this arc, but he will be in deep with Kaidou and might even have his status revoked if his Joker and supplier to Kaidou business is completely revealed. Those two might be enough to free up Rebecca completely. At best she'll want Doflamingo eliminated completely and would be involved throughout the continued saga similar to Paulie, but eventually Doflamingo's role will be played out and she'll no longer have a reason to be there. The crew all have defined dreams and goals, and "get stronger" doesn't qualify.
Every facet of her character so far has to do with Dressrosa; the lightning soldier guy, her father figure Kyros/Ricky, and defeating Doflamingo. Until anything else about Rebecca is even hinted at that could link her to traveling the outside world she is not a candidate.
No, no , There is NOTHING linking her to Dressrosa, nothing at all. Except all of those gaping plot points which involve her and other Dressrosa characters, centered around specifically, yup you guessed it , Dressrosa.
Playing devil's advocate, almost all of the crew members were attached to the plot in their respective arcs and could not leave and join the crew until Luffy figuratively or literally freed them. The bigger issues with Rebecca are her attachment to Lightning Soldier, and then basically everything else.
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she isn't linked to dresrossa because none of her goals can be accomplished there(atleast for now)
Dunno if you're serious , but….
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Eat the Mera Mera = Currently being fought for on Dressrosa
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Live with Soldier of Rage= Who lives on Dressrosa
*Kill Doflamingo = Who's on Dressrosa & is the King of the country.
*Rickryos reunion = He's on Dressrosa too
I really don't see how these wont be resolved here....On Dressrosa.
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She doesn't need to personally defeat Doflamingo; she just wants him beaten, and the straw hats will do that for her. The fruit is purely a means to an end and her wanting to beat him is because no one else could until now. Once he is beaten every part of her plot line will be finished, so I still don't see how she is straw hat material.
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The toy is obviously native to the island, and it's obvious that Rebecca is as well. They are trying to destroy the factory and presumably liberate those involved. The burden is on you to prove that she has even a single reason to be anywhere else ever in her life, given everything up until now in her life has been about Dressrosa. These points are linked to the text below…
I don't have to prove that because I've already said that we need to know more about her backstory to make an accurate assessment on her chances.
I never stated that I knew a reason why she would want to leave. Thats what we may or maynot find out.Putting aside the ultimate fate of Doflamingo for a moment, it's obvious that Luffy's crew will successfully destroy the factory and cause grief with Kaidou, so on that front Rebecca's short term goals should be easily accomplished. The wrench in her plans are the whole 'living with toy soldier' aspect, which may or may not be complicated by Doflamingo's status at the end of this arc. I don't see Doflamingo going down this arc, but he will be in deep with Kaidou and might even have his status revoked if his Joker and supplier to Kaidou business is completely revealed. Those two might be enough to free up Rebecca completely. At best she'll want Doflamingo eliminated completely and would be involved throughout the continued saga similar to Paulie, but eventually Doflamingo's role will be played out and she'll no longer have a reason to be there. The crew all have defined dreams and goals, and "get stronger" doesn't qualify.
you're assuming that Rebecca would be "free" if the factory is simply destroyed but there is no way to know if DD would get his status revoked if this happened.We still need to know more about her backstory.
Going by what Rebecca said, which is that SHE wants to kill doflamingo, there is no way this goal is going to happen in this arc. leaving her on dressrossa would leave her character undeveloped. Unless she entrusted that goal to luffy and the strawhats.Dunno if you're serious , but….
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Eat the Mera Mera = Currently being fought for on Dressrosa
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Live with Soldier of Rage= Who lives on Dressrosa
*Kill Doflamingo = Who's on Dressrosa & is the King of the country.
*Rickryos reunion = He's on Dressrosa too
I really don't see how these wont be resolved here....On Dressrosa.
You think Doflamingo will be killed on dresrossa?
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1.The only thing that I see that is linking her to dressrossa is the fact that she wants to live with the toy soldier guy and we don't know why she wants to or when that could happen.
If you don't know any of those things, why are you even discussing her as joining the crew.
2. her goal is to defeat doflamingo by obtaining the mera mera no mi and winning the tournament.
So she really has no reason to board a pirate ship.
honestly, the only way she will accomplish any of these tasks is by the straw hats help and even if she does get the mera mera fruit, I still doubt that she would be able to defeat doflamingo- not even with luffy's or laws help
So a local island person dislikes a person on their island for some reason, and hopelessly can't fulfill this feeling, but their dream is fulfilled by the Strawhats.
Do you have any idea how insignificant this makes Rebecca.the only way she will live with the toy soldier is if she achieves her goals(which we know little about)
and the only way she can achieve these goals is if she gets stronger.She's not going to, she's only going to be around this arc and the Strawhats will defeat her enemy for her in some way.
I really don't see anything that links her to dressrossa now but we don't know much about her yet so we should just wait until her backstory is explained more.
ALL we see is Dressrosa. You're quite literally going off nothing to assume anything else of her.
But here's the key problem with Rebecca. And the biggest issue with her joining the crew. She is a quirkless and bland person with no real personality to speak of.
This is the person you think will follow next in the pattern that has previously gone as Karate Shark-Whale Knight Samurai, Living Skeleton Pervert Gentlemen, Blue Haired Robot Jim Carrey, Uma Thurman Super Criminal Indiana Jones, Reindeer Yeti Puppy Physician.
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Rebecca isn't joining the crew.
Yea, the rest of that paragraph gives the other side of the argument which I think is more valuable, just thought it was noteworthy that she has some admiration for Luffy.
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Yikes…folks still think she's still going to join?
Though based on the reveal of this chapter, she has moved up SLIGHTLY from being Margaret (by having some relevance to some overarching plot of Dressrosa by being Ricky/Kyros' daughter). But that only cements her more as a character restricted to THIS arc. Rebecca has pretty much the same chance of Ricky/Kyros joining the Strawhats. Once this arc is done and over with, her plot points are probably going to be resolved and she'll live happily ever after on Dressrosa.
And there is also the fact that she has little to no personality, very plain design, and yada yada (heck, she is even more plain than Margaret and barely even close to hitting Perona level). These are the makings of a NON-potential SH. Wicca on the other hand...is still up in the air.
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I don't have to prove that because I've already said that we need to know more about her backstory to make an accurate assessment on her chances. I never stated that I knew a reason why she would want to leave. Thats what we may or maynot find out.
Your argument explicitly implies she will leave by claiming that her goals cannot be accomplished on Dressrosa. The narrative can very easily alleviate her burdens without her leaving; in fact, find me an arc where Luffy's crew left an island with it's antagonist still in tact.
You're assuming that Rebecca would be "free" if the factory is simply destroyed but there is no way to know if DD would get his status revoked if this happened. We still need to know more about her backstory.
I didn't assume that and in fact my post clearly mentions Doflamingo's status in regards to Rebecca. Her backstory is irrelevant if Doflamingo maintains his status as King, Warlord, Joker. On that, refer to my comments above.
Going by what Rebecca said, which is that SHE wants to kill Doflamingo, there is no way this goal is going to happen in this arc. Leaving her on Dressrosa would leave her character undeveloped. Unless she entrusted that goal to Luffy and the Strawhats.
Doflamingo isn't going to be killed regardless. If Doflamingo were beaten, imprisoned, on the run, etc. she would be perfectly content. Her thoughts are supported by Ricky and the Lightning Soldier, so we know her purpose is to free the country of Doflamingo.
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If you don't know any of those things, why are you even discussing her as joining the crew.
my first post in this thread was…
"I'm really rooting for rebecca to join and get the mera-mera fruit but until we get more on her back story, I'm not sure how good her chances of joining are."
you replied saying that her chances are 0 and I asked why.So she really has no reason to board a pirate ship.
we don't know that yet
So a local island person dislikes a person on their island for some reason, and hopelessly can't fulfill this feeling, but their dream is fulfilled by the Strawhats.
Do you have any idea how insignificant this makes Rebecca.Her dream won't be fulfilled on this island because Doflamingo wont be killed and if they simply left the island, then her character would be left undeveloped.Oda doesn't leave characters undeveloped.
She's not going to, she's only going to be around this arc and the Strawhats will defeat her enemy for her in some way.
So you think Doflamingo will be defeated by the strawhats this arc?
ALL we see is Dressrosa. You're quite literally going off nothing to assume anything else of her.
Exactly what have I assumed? All I said was that her goals can not be achieved on dresrossa and that I see nothing that ties her to this place.
But here's the key problem with Rebecca. And the biggest issue with her joining the crew. She is a quirkless and bland person with no real personality to speak of.
This is the person you think will follow next in the pattern that has previously gone as Karate Shark-Whale Knight Samurai, Living Skeleton Pervert Gentlemen, Blue Haired Robot Jim Carrey, Uma Thurman Super Criminal Indiana Jones, Reindeer Yeti Puppy Physician.
You do realize this is One Piece we're talking about correct?many people say the same thing about jinbe: that hes a bland character with no personality.
we literally had rebecca talk like 3 or 4 times. You don't know enough about her to even judge her personality. -
we don't know that yet
Her dream won't be fulfilled on this island because Doflamingo wont be killed and if they simply left the island, then her character would be left undeveloped.Oda doesn't leave characters undeveloped.
So you think Doflamingo will be defeated by the strawhats this arc?
Exactly what have I assumed? All I said was that her goals can not be achieved on dresrossa and that I see nothing that ties her to this place.
many people say the same thing about jinbe: that hes a bland character with no personality.
we literally had rebecca talk like 3 or 4 times. You don't know enough about her to even judge her personality.-What possible reason would she have for joining the SH? Based on what we know of her so far, everything we know that is important to her revolves around characters within this arc (not to mention most relevant plot points behind tied to her in this arc as well). Heck, her association with Kyros/Ricky even cements her further as a one arc character.
-There is always a possibility that Dofla CAN be defeated this arc (or heck, maybe he will simply abandon Dressrossa after his gang is defeated or something and his ultimate defeat will be on a different locale). Regardless, it is safe to assume that SOMETHING will happen that will end up displacing Dofla's control over the island.
-Yes, her goals can be fulfilled within Dressrossa. It is fully possible and still a viable option.
-Even with the little panel time Rebecca has been shown, she has been a greater bore than Jinbe. The other female candidates? Persona, Caimie, and Margaret at least demonstrated a fairly amusing personality in their introduction and have interesting designs and quirks, but not at all with Rebecca.
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I just always presumed that all their dreams would be fulfilled in the last Saga.
^^^ Jinbe has followed this so far. But my query is, what would his dream be, if it exists at all?Clearly something to do with human/fishmen relations, since that's what he's been focused on for the large part. Also see how Luffy's offer was interlinked with the talk about the "path to the sun." It's not silly or arbitrary, either, seeing how Luffy was able to change a lot of the fishmen's minds by teaming up with Jinbe (as well as Luffy's claim on Fishman Island.) It makes more sense than Brook's dream at least.
I know taste varies, but I don't get why people even want Rebecca to join at this point. I'll give her personality a chance to develop (though right now all I'm feeling is Vivi 2.0), but her design is Generic Female A (it's actually embarassing when you compare her to all the interesting, unique male characters in the coliseum.) I want another woman to join, but with all the variety on the men's side, I really think it'd be ridiculous to have all three women with the same basic design/silhouette.
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my first post in this thread was…
"I'm really rooting for rebecca to join and get the mera-mera fruit but until we get more on her back story, I'm not sure how good her chances of joining are."
you replied saying that her chances are 0 and I asked why.No, I'm asking why Rebecca is even being discussed.
Hell why are we even assuming we'll get a new crewmate from Dressrosa in the first place. Oda hasn't hinted at ANYTHING regarding some current need for a new crewmate, or some position they want left unfulfilled.
There's really no reason to even think about Rebecca like you are, so I'm asking why you're bringing her up in the first place.we don't know that yet
We have reasons to assume nothing, correct. See what this does to your side of the debate?
Her dream won't be fulfilled on this island because Doflamingo wont be killed
No one literally will kill the big bad in the way of Character X on Island X. lolll
So talking about "when Dofla will die" is a completely non starter of a conversation.and if they simply left the island, then her character would be left undeveloped.Oda doesn't leave characters undeveloped.
Dofla will be toppled in some fashion and removed from the equation of Dressrosa. And this will fulfill Rebecca's needs. He's not going to die at any point.
So you think Doflamingo will be defeated by the strawhats this arc?
Perhaps chased out of Dressrosa and into hiding from Kaidou or something. In any case, Dressrosa's problems will receive some sort of resolution.
Exactly what have I assumed?
To even be discussing her as Crewmate material you're assuming an immense amount.
All I said was that her goals can not be achieved on dresrossa
Which is a massive and extremely poorly founded assumption.
and that I see nothing that ties her to this place.
Literally all we know about her, is ties to Dressrosa.
many people say the same thing about jinbe: that hes a bland character with no personality.
He's very quirky and distinct however. Which is a must for Strawhats. Rebecca is inarguably a bland and vanilla character. If you look at her and see crewmate potential you really don't understand this series at all.
we literally had rebecca talk like 3 or 4 times. You don't know enough about her to even judge her personality.
And you don't know enough about her to bring her up on the Crewmate thread as potentially joining the main cast lol.
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Your argument explicitly implies she will leave by claiming that her goals cannot be accomplished on Dressrosa. The narrative can very easily alleviate her burdens without her leaving; in fact, find me an arc where Luffy's crew left an island with it's antagonist still in tact.
little garden,saboady,marineford.
We know her burden is Doflamingo. Do you really think he will be defeated this arc?
My arguement isn't that there is no way to alleviate her burdens without her leaving because there might be. My arguement is that there may be but I don't see it and we don't know enough to judge.I didn't assume that and in fact my post clearly mentions Doflamingo's status in regards to Rebecca. Her backstory is irrelevant if Doflamingo maintains his status as King, Warlord, Joker. On that, refer to my comments above.
My point is that all we know is that Rebecca wants Doflamingo defeated. AS FAR AS WE KNOW, this is the only way to end her suffering, anything else is just speculation.(not to say that there isn't another way)
you were assuming that losing DD's status would satisfy Rebecca,My point is WE DON'T KNOW until more is brought up about her backstory.
Doflamingo isn't going to be killed regardless. If Doflamingo were beaten, imprisoned, on the run, etc. she would be perfectly content. Her thoughts are supported by Ricky and the Lightning Soldier, so we know her purpose is to free the country of Doflamingo.
You don't know what her purpose is.
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little garden,saboady,marineford.
Mr. 3 had his ass kicked, Saobody didn't HAVE a main antagonist, and Marineford didn't have the crew.
In every case that we had a "ISLAND WITH TYRANT ASSHOLE INSTALLED AT HEAD OF IT" the island is left with them beat the fuck up.We know her burden is Doflamingo. Do you really think he will be defeated this arc?
She lives in Dressrosa, her anger against him pretty obviously has something to do with what's going on in Dressrosa.
If he gets chased off for some reason, with his poisition and army there in tatters I don't think Rebecca will have any more issue.My arguement isn't that there is no way to alleviate her burdens without her leaving because there might be. My arguement is that there may be but I don't see it and we don't know enough to judge.
So once again, with all such unknowns, why is she being brought up as a potential crewmate.
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No, I'm asking why Rebecca is even being discussed.
Hell why are we even assuming we'll get a new crewmate from Dressrosa in the first place. Oda hasn't hinted at ANYTHING regarding some current need for a new crewmate, or some position they want left unfulfilled.
There's really no reason to even think about Rebecca like you are, so I'm asking why you're bringing her up in the first place.ugh…did you read what I wrote?
I said "I'm really rooting for rebecca to join and get the mera-mera fruit but until we get more on her back story, I'm NOT SURE how good her CHANCES of joining are."
All I did was state that I WANTED HER not that she has a good chance.
this whole thing started when I asked you why you think she has 0 chance.
I never assumed that we WILL get a new crewmate from dresrossa.We have reasons to assume nothing, correct. See what this does to your side of the debate?
Ummm…no lol
Dofla will be toppled in some fashion and removed from the equation of Dressrosa. And this will fulfill Rebecca's needs. He's not going to die at any point.
What are Rebecca's needs exactly?
we don't know. she could want revenge. You're giving more assumptions.To even be discussing her as Crewmate material you're assuming an immense amount.
I never said that rebecca had a good Chance I asked you why you think she has 0 chance.
I never assumed anything.Which is a massive and extremely poorly founded assumption.
how so?
Literally all we know about her, is ties to Dressrosa.
the things you call ties are your assumtions
He's very quirky and distinct however. Which is a must for Strawhats. Rebecca is inarguably a bland and vanilla character. If you look at her and see crewmate potential you really don't understand this series at all.
quirky and distinct? this is your opinion that many people would disagree with.
If you look at Jinbe and say that he's quirky then you don't understand the series at all. see I can do it too lol.And you don't know enough about her to bring her up on the Crewmate thread as potentially joining the main cast lol.
When did I bring up her as potentially joining.
@Monkey:
Mr. 3 had his ass kicked, Saobody didn't HAVE a main antagonist, and Marineford didn't have the crew.
In every case that we had a "ISLAND WITH TYRANT ASSHOLE INSTALLED AT HEAD OF IT" the island is left with them beat the fuck up.the marines were the main antagonist at saboady wtf?
what does not Having the crew have to do with the main antagonist getting beat or not?She lives in Dressrosa, her anger against him pretty obviously has something to do with what's going on in Dressrosa.
If he gets chased off for some reason, with his poisition and army there in tatters I don't think Rebecca will have any more issue.hmmm…more assumptions?
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The comparison to this arc and Skypia keep being made now and then - does this mean Rebecca is this arcs Wiper?
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The comparison to this arc and Skypia keep being made now and then - does this mean Rebecca is this arcs Wiper?
Not yet. Let's wait until Block D before making that comparison. If she gets her ass kicked, then no. If she manages to hold her own and actually kick ass (or hell, even win), then yeah I'd label her this arc's Wiper. A bland, generic character that can hold her own fairly well.
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This arc is more like Alabasta than anything else.
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ugh…did you read what I wrote?
I said "I'm really rooting for rebecca to join and get the mera-mera fruit but until we get more on her back story, I'm NOT SURE how good her CHANCES of joining are."That's what I don't get, see you WANT her to join. That's all but admitting you think the story should precede in that direction based on what we know about her now. Which is for all intents and purposes the same as saying you think she should join.
All I did was state that I WANTED HER not that she has a good chance.
this whole thing started when I asked you why you think she has 0 chance.Yes, suggesting that you thought she had a chance.
Ummm…no lol
Don't bring her up is what it does.
What are Rebecca's needs exactly?
we don't know. she could want revenge. You're giving more assumptions.If you haven't developed even a halfway decent sense of Oda's writing by now I don't know what to tell you.
how so?
Well that's easy. Substantiate it with literally anything.
Yes, you can also try and do as most of us do and use Oda's writing styles to try and predict things.the things you call ties are your assumtions
You're under the impression that speculation should ignore what we know, for what we might not know.
That's like the inverse of critical thinking.
Like it or not, what we have to judge on, is not assumption. It's the hard material of the moment.quirky and distinct? this is your opinion that many people would disagree with.
Nobody disagrees with that. They disagree on his personality. Frankly I kinda agree that he's a little flat on personality (though legions ahead of someone with literally none like Rebecca). Oda's idea of a team involves many strange shapes and types, that is the One Piece way.
Rebecca has literally nothing like that.If you look at Jinbe and say that he's quirky then you don't understand the series at all. see I can do it too lol.
Except hon, I wasn't just randomly saying it.
When did I bring up her as potentially joining.
You want her to, don't you? That's good enough for me.
the marines were the main antagonist at saboady wtf?
Saboady had no antagonist. It wasn't even really a storyline in of itself, so much as a gas station between many various other story arcs.
what does not Having the crew have to do with the main antagonist getting beat or not?
Because the storyline in Marineford was wildly different from the standard One Piece storyline, and that's one of the major reasons why. But certainly not the only one.
Point being, you can't use it to try and say that the pattern Brennen mentioned doesn't exist.hmmm…more assumptions?
It's based on actual material in the series. Sorry, that's better than literally nothing.
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The comparison to this arc and Skypia keep being made now and then - does this mean Rebecca is this arcs Wiper?
Doubt it. Wiper during the Skypeia arc was stronger than Zoro. Unless Rebecca beats Cavendish (absolutely 0% chance) she'll be more like the Vivi of this arc.
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Momo, Kinemon, Rebecca … damn, there's a lot of Vivis this arc. :ninja:
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Doubt it. Wiper during the Skypeia arc was stronger than Zoro. Unless Rebecca beats Cavendish (absolutely 0% chance) she'll be more like the Vivi of this arc.
Vivi was more important and influential in the series than Wiper by a mile.
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Not yet. Let's wait until Block D before making that comparison. If she gets her ass kicked, then no. If she manages to hold her own and actually kick ass (or hell, even win), then yeah I'd label her this arc's Wiper. A bland, generic character that can hold her own fairly well.
Yeah but she adheres to the Rule of Female Armour - that's a respectable trait.
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@Monkey:
Vivi was more important and influential in the series than Wiper by a mile.
Why are you rating them on strength?Big muscles make them feel tingly?
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The comparison to this arc and Skypia keep being made now and then - does this mean Rebecca is this arcs Wiper?
Kind of hard to tell at this point, the parallel is certainly there considering the hate they have for the respective arc villain and the fact that there goal is tied to the island (unless we get another goal for Rebecca which is unlikely considering her wish to be together with the Tin Soldier), but it´s too son to tell at this point. This arc has too many factions right now to predict who is going to take what role.
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When I see people discard strong candidates to join the crew like Rebecca whose past is little by little being explored and instead suggest characters such as Wicca with no background, I lose faith in humanity for a moment. What's with the Skypiea or Vivi/Margaret comparions? This is beyond stupid, how can you even compare Rebecca who has a past and a personal grudge against the main boss of the arc with someone who is just a soldier of Hancock?
This thread is full with idiocy, as bad as the Telegrams section of One Piece in NF. I'm outta here.
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When I see people discard strong candidates to join the crew like Rebecca whose past is little by little being explored and instead suggest characters such as Wicca with no background, I lose faith in humanity for a moment. What's with the Skypiea or Vivi/Margaret comparions? This is beyond stupid, how can you even compare Rebecca who has a past and a personal grudge against the main boss of the arc with someone who is just a soldier of Hancock?
This thread is full with idiocy, as bad as the Telegrams section of One Piece in NF. I'm outta here.
You can't call One-Liner-Rebecca "a strong candidate" and then call other people dump and idiots.
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Rebecca wants to live with Toy Solider. Luffy wants 11 crew members (counting himself). I f Rebecca joined Toy Solider would have to come with her. Jimbei is guaranteed to join. The only reason he hasn't already is that he would mess up the Monster Trio. So, if Rebecca joins we'll have 13 (counting Luffy) members, which isn't what we were told we were getting via Luffy.
Plus, like Monet, Kin'emon, etc. she has another huge problem- she's a post-timeskip character. It would defeat the meaning of the timeskip if a new character joined. Any new Straw Hats will be re-introduced characters from before the timeskip.
Personally, I want Bellamy to join. He has that pre-timeskip history and is a good fighter. I think he has the biggest chance of anyone on Dressrosa of joining. He's quirky (Hyena like guy who once beat the shit out of, and got the shit beaten out of him by, the Captain). He wants to be a part of a family/crew. Once he realizes Dofla, Diamante, and the rest of the Donxiquote Pirates aren't worth joining and don't give a crap about him, he'll be set to join the Straw Hats.
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@Monkey:
Jimbei is guaranteed to join. The only reason he hasn't already is that he would mess up the Monster Trio. So, if Rebecca joins we'll have 13 (counting Luffy) members, which isn't what we were told we were getting via Luffy.
Actually no Jinbe hasn't joined yet because he has a loose end to tie up and will likely need Luffy and co. to help him with that first.
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@Cyan:
Actually no Jinbe hasn't joined yet because he has a loose end to tie up and will likely need Luffy and co. to help him with that first.
I was talking about the out-universe explanation
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Bellamy could be a nakama.i think diamante will try to finish him off after he fails to kill luffy,then luffy saves him.
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Starting to think that it's better to not have a new nakama than having it reated lamely and poorly like Brook.
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@Monkey:
Vivi was more important and influential in the series than Wiper by a mile.
Why are you rating them on strength?I agree that Vivi was far more important than Wiper, but he said that Rebecca was this arc's Wiper. That implies that Rebecca will have a combat role instead of a plot related role, which is highly unlikely if not impossible. Wiper was a threat to some of the strongest villains in the arc, hell even Enel couldn't take him out with some of his strongest abilities (albeit Wiper straight up couldn't touch Enel). I really don't see Rebecca being anything but fodder against a Diamante or Trebol.
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We should talk about Bartolomeo for the lulz… But he is too awesome even if some people still think he is just a troll without any depht... LOL
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We should talk about Bartolomeo for the lulz… But he is too awesome even if some people still think he is just a troll without any depht... LOL
Why would you say that? Putting his chance as new nakama and the fact that the characters in OP are not the most complicated in the first place aside, Bartolomeo already has more going on than most side characters.
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When I see people discard strong candidates to join the crew like Rebecca whose past is little by little being explored and instead suggest characters such as Wicca with no background, I lose faith in humanity for a moment. What's with the Skypiea or Vivi/Margaret comparions? This is beyond stupid, how can you even compare Rebecca who has a past and a personal grudge against the main boss of the arc with someone who is just a soldier of Hancock?
This thread is full with idiocy, as bad as the Telegrams section of One Piece in NF. I'm outta here.
Because they both have zero personality or quirks. And are therefore hilariously bad suggestions for thinking as characters Oda created with putting them on the crew in mind.
Rebecca isn't just a weak candidate, she's not EVEN a candidate.
People like you are identical to the Margaret, Monet, Perona, Shirahoshi, Pauly crowd. You don't pay even the slightest attention to Oda's way or working, or even the styles and patterns right there in the series itself.
You just make a boneheaded habit of wildly scouting around every single storyline for anything possibly maybe remotely crewmate looking so that you can be one of the early birds to claim it. Which leads you directly into awful awful suggestions like Rebecca.
Wow! A girl with no personality, who only just now showed an actual emotion. And who apparently has some sort of issue that needs resolving with the island.
THAT's your fucking criteria? You suck lol. Don't let the door hit you on the way out, or when you inevitably come back in after the Sunny Go sails away from Dressrosa sans a boring gladiator chick.Oh who am I kidding. You'll be championing some boring nobody in the very next arc too. And crying about people telling you they won't join there too.
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I agree that Vivi was far more important than Wiper, but he said that Rebecca was this arc's Wiper. That implies that Rebecca will have a combat role instead of a plot related role, which is highly unlikely if not impossible. Wiper was a threat to some of the strongest villains in the arc, hell even Enel couldn't take him out with some of his strongest abilities (albeit Wiper straight up couldn't touch Enel). I really don't see Rebecca being anything but fodder against a Diamante or Trebol.
Wiper WAS plot related. That he fought people is incidental.
Enel took him out much the same as other people, he just had insane zealousness to keep getting back up (the last time he was even unconscious). That point was stressed over and over, that he was insanely zealous. -
We should talk about Bartolomeo for the lulz… But he is too awesome even if some people still think he is just a troll without any depht... LOL
I don't think Bartolomeo is a viable candidate yet, but I would like him more than any other character introduced in this arc so far. He has an unique design and personnality, which is more than you can tell about Violet or Rebecca.
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I don't think Bartolomeo is a viable candidate yet, but I would like him more than any other character introduced in this arc so far. He has an unique design and personnality, which is more than you can tell about Violet or Rebecca.
Nor will he ever be. You know, being Sabo and all.. :ninja:
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Nor will he ever be. You know, being Sabo and all.. :ninja:
Nah, Sabo is in that suitcase :ninja:
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Bartolomeo….Yes, feed the beast. :ninja:
Nakama or not I can't wait to see his connection with Luffy.
Sincerely hope it's more than admiration.
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Bartolomeo….Yes, feed the beast. :ninja:
Nakama or not I can't wait to see his connection with Luffy.
Sincerely hope it's more than admiration.
It's obviously more than admiration, else it wouldn't be deeper than Cavendish's hatred.
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Why else would he have a suitcase, he's definitely joining now:ninja:
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Nah, Sabo is in that suitcase :ninja:
7 Deadly Sins style - looking forward to seeing Luffy doing a Brad Pitt "WHAT'S IN THE BOX?!!?"
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The crew all have defined dreams and goals, and "get stronger" doesn't qualify.
Well, aside from Usopp. But he's the exception, it'd be silly to have two with the same goal.
@Monkey:
People like you are identical to the Margaret, Monet, Perona, Shirahoshi, Pauly crowd.
(not really pointing this at you Zeph, just triggered a talking point…)
Pauly at least actually had a fair bit going for him at the time... (like dialogue an screentime...)
He had different chemistry with the different main cast members, (for instance wanting the girls to cover up, or his gambling problems, sort of playing straight-man to the weirdos) one of the first guys really introduced on the island, skillset they were looking for, Iceburg saying they could have one of his employees if they were willing, he sort of fit the Sanji mold in appearance and setup, reluctantly grew to respect the crew and side with them as the arc continued and his family fell apart, had a lot of screen time... personality wise he filled a lot of the roles that Jinbe does now, and had some of the same chemistry that Kinemon is showing now. Compared to a lot of suggestions, he at least had some real weight to him.
I'd LOVE it if there was ever a new nakama suggestion that had even half as much weight as Pauly did.
Of course, that fell away pretty quick once Franky started having screen time and obviously had the story to tell, and was settled when he got the flashback.
(I think the first AP poll on the subject was like 80% in favor of Pauly over Franky when it was first polled… then a year later it switched around for Franky in a second poll.)
I can understand some people's reluctance towards Jinbe, once upon a time I had it from seeing early snapshots of Chopper before actually getting there in the series... and I didn't want Franky to join because he was just soooo weird looking... but... that's how Oda rolls. He likes the weirdos.
That said... yeah. Just because you all want another cute girl in the crew... its not going to be anyone ordinary looking. At the very least, not someone who could be confused with Nami or Robin at a glance.
This is the person you think will follow next in the pattern that has previously gone as Karate Shark-Whale Knight Samurai, Living Skeleton Pervert Gentlemen, Blue Haired Robot Jim Carrey, Uma Thurman Super Criminal Indiana Jones, Reindeer Yeti Puppy Physician.
And this I'm just quoting because it amuses me.
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Still hoping there is a way that Jimbei gets into a little "accident" and Vivi and Smoker join the crew. Vivi got her own theme in the anime while she was on the SH's ship, not sure if it means anything. It's just hopeful wishing though, even if she came back, I can't see what help she'd have to offer to the crew. Technically… Luffy can't use swords, can't steal, can't lie, can't cook, can't use medicine well, doesn't know about history, can't repair a ship, can't sing, can't swim underwater, and can't be a princess.
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@Monkey:
People like you are identical to the Margaret, Monet, Perona, Shirahoshi, Pauly crowd. You don't pay even the slightest attention to Oda's way or working, or even the styles and patterns right there in the series itself.
Haaaay….Perona had a better chance than Rebecca, Monet, Margaret and Shirahoshi due to aesthetics (though plot wise she really doesn't have much to offer and would have been a weird choice). Though Paulie still sits at the top as the biggest red herring nakama so far. Perona actually had a remarkably unique design (about 90% of Oda's females have the same face, but for some reason Oda drew her with Rock Lee's eyes and the whole pink motif/gothic loli thing). She actually HAS a unique personality (albiet an annoying one that would get old very fast). Somewhat of an interesting power (astral projection and ghosts are interesting, but who knows what else she could do with it shrug).
Plot wise she ended up becoming supporting of the SHs and having no real ties to any entity so Oda could have EASILY stuck her with the SHs if he wanted to. Problem is, she would have be irritating to draw on a daily basis (designs of her outfits are remarkably intricate), her personality is annoying (I mean, who would want a character that just bitches and whines?), and her power might be OP.
Monet was a terrible choice (especially the idiots that CONTINUED to support her after we learned she poisoned kids and was an overall psychopath). Shirahoshi makes no sense (mostly due to her size and role in the plot). Margaret was interesting, but was shoved aside for Hancock. Paulie was a great red herring. But yeah...if none of these other slightly more "colorful" characters make the cut, then how would Rebecca make it through? (Not to mention that obvious that Zeph pointed out about her function being restricted WITHIN the Dressrossa arc).
PS: Vivi is NOT going to join either, nor will Smoker/Tashigi. (Heck, could you imagine how much it would kill him inside to take orders from Luffy?)
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Technically… Luffy can't use swords, can't steal, can't lie, can't cook, can't use medicine well, doesn't know about history, can't repair a ship, can't sing, can't swim underwater, and can't be a princess.
Did you forget Iva's power? He could marry Empress Hancock and become a Prince Regent - then talk to Iva and change to a princess regent - Monachy's are fun.