I for one really like this ark and the characters. Van der Decken and wadatsumi <–- cant believe he is bad xD. Love Zeo and his jokes when he gets hit:P. Love the whole concept about a world under water. Really like the racist concept for this ark(wich is not used a lot in manga). This really feels like an adventure to me, wich is amazing.
Chapter 645: "Death Is Also Revenge"
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To anyone who can translate= The carving on the Usopp statue on cover, what does it say?
I've gone to freedict.com that says "dendoushi" means "evangelist" and another one (sorry forgot who) here said it can also mean preacher. I have a Japanese-English/ English-Japanese dictionary that has wa-gomu for rubber band. So does it mean something like " preacher of the rubber band"?? It's just a guess and I'm no where near a quarter the expert as I've seen some here so I'd like to hear what others think.i didnt do any of my own researching or translating but just from urs, i'd hazard a guess to "Church of Rubber Band"? to keep in line with the god-theme thing
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Liked how Chopper gave a troll face at the end haha. Like, "I'm a rampaging beast that I'm in complete control of,problem?
I noticed the Strawhat fems weren't in the chap
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So a very scant and odd observation but here (http://mangastream.com/read/one_piece/89182735/5) we see Hody scarfing down tons of Energy Steroid that we never saw with him before, and I'm just remembering Ikaros's reaction in the flashback last chapter when Hody showed the NFP the ES for the first time (he called it "legendary") and I'm wondering if perhaps the ES came from Noah and that's where Hody got them when he was knocked into the deck by Red Hawk?
A giant stretch, and not anything I'm standing behind, but just a random little connection of ideas that came up in my mind.
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@Baou:
If chopper can talk normally,smile and regain consciousness in monster form,does that mean he sounds like his normal self….Cause I loved that monster chopper had glowing eyes and making spazzing sounds.....
And how does his hat and clothes nor get torn,but grow with him :ninja:
The same way he can change from small brain point to heavy point without getting torn clothes. Its the same way other zoans can change without destroying their clothes, and how Luffy can swell up without destroying his cloths and logias like Aokiji and Crocodile can transform fully into their elements and back without damaging their clothes. Many thoerize that DF users have an aura created by the fruit that affects their clothes, so they change with the user. Luffy's clothes streaches with him, Choppers clothes grow with him, Crocodile's clothes changes into sand with him.
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This is the problem. Oda isn't doing it justice just by having characters explain why they feel irrational hatred, and why the villains act relentlessly on it. A better way to depict the racism is simply to show acts of conflict and violence among humans and fishmen. It may involve longer but deeper flashbacks, but that's fine.
Well I agree with you there. Oda's method in this arc is far from perfect, and you're right that showing the conflict rather than telling would obviously be better. I was really just responding to the people that said they had enough because we understood the conflict ages ago, when really that's not fair to say.
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The same way he can change from small brain point to heavy point without getting torn clothes.
Well, in the last chapter (or whatever chapter we saw Heavy Point for the first time post-timeskip) he just had his undershirt hanging around his waist, not changing size.
But yeah, it's basically the same way Sengoku's Marine coat changed size with him when he used his powers.
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This is the problem. Oda isn't doing it justice just by having characters explain why they feel irrational hatred, and why the villains act relentlessly on it. A better way to depict the racism is simply to show acts of conflict and violence among humans and fishmen. It may involve longer but deeper flashbacks, but that's fine.
While I agree with you that it really isn't a great way to have these civilians constantly reciting this hatred, I don't agree about "why the villains act relentlessly on it". Maybe I'm misinterpreting what you're saying? The villains ideology being imprinted into them is incredible justice. Very well done.
And I feel Oda has already done that man. That whole mentioning of the suicide that was being encouraged, Arlong/Jimbe flashback, the worlds view on everything that was going on. I just don't know how Oda could make it interesting or involve anyone important in these conflicts you speak of
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The same way he can change from small brain point to heavy point without getting torn clothes. Its the same way other zoans can change without destroying their clothes, and how Luffy can swell up without destroying his cloths and logias like Aokiji and Crocodile can transform fully into their elements and back without damaging their clothes. Many thoerize that DF users have an aura created by the fruit that affects their clothes, so they change with the user. Luffy's clothes streaches with him, Choppers clothes grow with him, Crocodile's clothes changes into sand with him.
So they're mystery clothes!
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Hodi doesn't have any special moves that Jinbei can't do, or what Arlong hasn't done similarly.
Well, even if that was true, why would it matter? Soshark, Yabusame, Kirisame and Murasame are all moves we've only seen Hody use. Granted Jinbe used Uchimizu too, and he could probably use Umidaiko but he hasn't. And why does that matter anyhow? He's shown some individuality in his moves but nothing crazily specific, not really noticeable compared to other villains.
And having Luffy pull powerful moves in among dialogue regarding attitudes toward humanity seems more like garnish rather than an entree. I think Hodi lasting so long is because Fukaboshi won't shut up in mid-battle.
Are people not understanding the role of ES in all this?
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To anyone who can translate= The carving on the Usopp statue on cover, what does it say?
I've gone to freedict.com that says "dendoushi" means "evangelist" and another one (sorry forgot who) here said it can also mean preacher. I have a Japanese-English/ English-Japanese dictionary that has wa-gomu for rubber band. So does it mean something like " preacher of the rubber band"?? It's just a guess and I'm no where near a quarter the expert as I've seen some here so I'd like to hear what others think.Only that it's a theme park featuring all the wonders of rubberbands, so his position of "founder" is simply made holy (they are up in the clouds). "Preacher" sounds a bit odd in this context, though it's the standard definition.
Amazon there is just creepy with her pigtails.
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The resilience of the NFP, particularly Hodi, is unnecessarily great.
Really? No, really? It's pretty darn realistic.
One day, everyone will understand that the Compass Birds are in fact the most important clue to the Void Century.
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Brook, keep being awesome every chapter! I just love you more and more, though I'm disappointed that you had to wait until now to get such great parts! Why couldn't it have been during the tournament!? DX Still, I'm loving it all, and cannot wait for more! You take down that striped denial fish in an EPIC way please!
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The resilience of the NFP, particularly Hodi, is unnecessarily great.
Well when you think about it a great white shark fishman is already very tough, add to that the RIDICULOUS overdosing of the ES Pills and I find it believable. I mean he's taking so many that he might easily have died after this without any hits from luffy, but while he's on a high the pills are keeping him conscious. And of course Luffy has been, up until this chapter, fighting him in the water. Not only does his devil fruit lose it's power very fast but it's also just physically harder to move in water.
Now I don't think Oda is above criticism and this arc has felt a little underwhelming. However, the way I think of it is that pre time skip we had three phases of the story:
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East blue: The villains are strong but still you always believe Luffy will beat them and it's more the story, surroundings and circumstance that makes it dramatic and tense rather than the actual final fight.
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Grand line up until Kuma: The villains are unbelievably strong and you have no idea how Luffy will be able to beat them, typical shonen thing for example OMG crocodile just pwned luffy and nearly killed him how will he ever be able to defeat him!! Ahhh Enel just defeated Zoro and Robin without any effort gahhh how is this even possible!!! WOOW Moria just fought luffy using only his shadow he didn't even have to stand up from his seat!! (also the whole scene with CP9 in water 7)
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Kuma -> timeskip: the crew is too weak, luffy can't protect the ones he cares about, their adventure is proving too difficult, luffy looses Ace. TIME TO GET STRONGER.
Now! Post time skip after all that hard work it just wouldn't feel right to go right to a story like number 2 so we get something like 1 then we'll move on to something like 2ish but there won't be another 3!
as far as Fishman Islands I, I forgot where I was going with this… hmm well I guess I like the story, it's been dramatic but in a good way I've felt.
The fights among the Strawhats and the NFP have been enjoyably brief. Brook especially gave a stellar performance. He hasn't been forcing his humor as he had in the past, but instead arriving at puns and jokes accidentally and naturally. His accidental arrival in battle was totally in character (just asking to peek at Nami's panties), inadvertently protecting her from Ikaros, and retorting to his confusion. The random comments about Brook's state of being bring about chuckles every time. His humor is best in synergy with the ridiculousness of Zeo's "nobility". Every time Zeo reacts to being attacked is priceless. And it's not just jokes. Brook's new usage of his ability is dazzling awesome, and his speech in this chapter about the reality of death is surprisingly powerful (and convincing).
Now this I completely agree with, as I talked about earlier this thread I really feel like Brooks has shone post time skip.
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Great chapter… still not sure if Luffy's attack went trough Hody or not... and to me it looks like the premonition about Luffy destroying the Island might have been a misunderstanding
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Hi guys,
I'm a little confused. Did Luffy actually destroyed Noah, or he is destroying it (in this moment)?
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Destroying it. So far we have yet to see it destroyed
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Big scar on Luffy that splits when he goes coco bananas with the haki-infused Gear Third stuff. Look, if he didn't get it from Akainu, then I sincerely doubt he got it from a massive animal on that island. I propose he did it to himself. Some uber powerful G3 technique where he puffs his whole body up. Split his chest when he tried it. If this is right, he'll have to do it again one day. I dunno, maybe against the big boys on Raftel. Could be the death of him… Could send him in the same direction as Gold Roger.
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Big scar on Luffy that splits when he goes coco bananas with the haki-infused Gear Third stuff. Look, if he didn't get it from Akainu, then I sincerely doubt he got it from a massive animal on that island. I propose he did it to himself. Some uber powerful G3 technique where he puffs his whole body up. Split his chest when he tried it. If this is right, he'll have to do it again one day. I dunno, maybe against the big boys on Raftel. Could be the death of him… Could send him in the same direction as Gold Roger.
No .
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Big scar on Luffy that splits when he goes coco bananas with the haki-infused Gear Third stuff. Look, if he didn't get it from Akainu, then I sincerely doubt he got it from a massive animal on that island. I propose he did it to himself. Some uber powerful G3 technique where he puffs his whole body up. Split his chest when he tried it. If this is right, he'll have to do it again one day. I dunno, maybe against the big boys on Raftel. Could be the death of him… Could send him in the same direction as Gold Roger.
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Big scar on Luffy that splits when he goes coco bananas with the haki-infused Gear Third stuff. Look, if he didn't get it from Akainu, then I sincerely doubt he got it from a massive animal on that island. I propose he did it to himself. Some uber powerful G3 technique where he puffs his whole body up. Split his chest when he tried it. If this is right, he'll have to do it again one day. I dunno, maybe against the big boys on Raftel. Could be the death of him… Could send him in the same direction as Gold Roger.
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Sure why not, just don't wish to talk about it and bring to much of negative into a chapter thread. It usually doesn't end up well.
So if I would to say what perhaps in the recent chapters, (and let me say here that I liked the last two - but like you said did not thoroughly enjoy them) what lacked, what bothered me was that feeling of stretching things and " a bit like" forcing them. To explain. IMO Oda tries too hard to emphasise the difference between the merfolk and the humans. The hatred between the merfolk and the humans. The overall wall between those two…
Like someone already said. I believe most of us get's it. So all those screams and speeches and additional chapters and screen time relating to that topic does not, at least for me feel natural. It feels forced and so I find speeches like those of Otohime and just now Fukaboshi unrealistic, like a broken record and even silly at some times.
We understood much of the problematic beforehand, before coming to this island, we got some extra touches about it with things like Tiger-fisher flashback which was ok. But Otohime's flashback, her way of "forcing" people to go and live with humans and speaking about this reverie like it is the next best thing after Snickers, that was puzzling and at the same time and felt forced for me.This arc for me is not as good as the other arc in One Piece but your post make me wonder HOW exactly you read a manga.. first, to me, when I read a manga or story, characters, how they behave, react and doing are very important to me.. they must feel alive and connect not only to the story but also to the readers by doing something or behave like a real human being. if their purpose just to tell a story, I don't find them good or the story good because they are just a tool for the writer to tell his/her story to the readers.. the characters become 1 dimensional to me. and from what I understand from your post and your past post, this is what you want.. one dimensional character. or your just can't/failed to differentiate between character perspective, author perspective and reader perspective.. that's why you feel like this..
second, I feel like you just hate something you don't know.. If something is not worse, all the problem will be this big and yet you failed to understand this.. if Fishman Island is like America or Malaysia right now, where different races live "happily" together, problem like this will not arise. that is why to me it is okay for Oda to show us how bad the situation in Fishman Island.. and sometimes I wonder do you even learn history… or you are just ignorant..
3rd, if you are actually understand what the fuck Otohime or simply Oda trying to tell us, you will see that the main point is the "future".. "outside of the box" kind of thinking.. something that all the FI doesn't aware off.. history already prove to us how this kind of thing works. Ghandi and my own country, Malaysia..
Why, why do they need to go to this reverie so bad, why would they need to mix up with people so much, or on the other hand why all those cries to them and all those sacrifices which are just too much.
and I stop here because your post make my head hurts so much.. so ignorant and full of yourself.. why Palestine want to be part of UN?
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I hope no one has said this before: I think that chopper uses rumble balls for a 2nd level to his normal forms. For example, arm point against an enemy he can take normally wouldn't need a rumble. If he's challenged too much, then he'll eat a rumble.
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Liked the chapter, overall, I have enjoyed the arc; probably not my favourite by any means, but it has been good. I can see the perspective that perhaps Oda has over-egged the pudding with the background situation on Fishman Island, but I don't think it could have been done any differently. The subject matter is such that you could never really gloss over it with one simple gesture changing so many people's minds - it would undermine the message. I would argue that Oda has actually done a really good job of interweaving the flashbacks, the fights, the attitudes together. It hasn't felt unbalanced, which is actually really nice. And it has set up future arcs perfectly with so many snap shots of future powers of the SH crew. I think, for what it has to be relative to the overall story, it is doing an excellent job!
Got a bit dismissal about Wadatsume being used to divert the Noah, or something like that, think this chapter is pointing further to that maybe?
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i'm suprised to see all these new attacks from luffy be so versatile. the one that I wanted to see was Hodi's face during the elaphant g attling
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Kind of an anticlimactic end to the Cerberus/Blackbeard-ate-a-zoan-beforehand theory.
this was even discussed?!
Big scar on Luffy that splits when he goes coco bananas with the haki-infused Gear Third stuff. Look, if he didn't get it from Akainu, then I sincerely doubt he got it from a massive animal on that island. I propose he did it to himself. Some uber powerful G3 technique where he puffs his whole body up. Split his chest when he tried it. If this is right, he'll have to do it again one day. I dunno, maybe against the big boys on Raftel. Could be the death of him… Could send him in the same direction as Gold Roger.
what the what!?!!!
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Big scar on Luffy that splits when he goes coco bananas with the haki-infused Gear Third stuff. Look, if he didn't get it from Akainu, then I sincerely doubt he got it from a massive animal on that island. I propose he did it to himself. Some uber powerful G3 technique where he puffs his whole body up. Split his chest when he tried it. If this is right, he'll have to do it again one day. I dunno, maybe against the big boys on Raftel. Could be the death of him… Could send him in the same direction as Gold Roger.
dude, the wound is from the bite hody gave him. jesus
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Big scar on Luffy that splits when he goes coco bananas with the haki-infused Gear Third stuff. Look, if he didn't get it from Akainu, then I sincerely doubt he got it from a massive animal on that island. I propose he did it to himself. Some uber powerful G3 technique where he puffs his whole body up. Split his chest when he tried it. If this is right, he'll have to do it again one day. I dunno, maybe against the big boys on Raftel. Could be the death of him… Could send him in the same direction as Gold Roger.
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dude, the wound is from the bite hody gave him. jesus
He's talking about the scar on his chest.
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I hope no one has said this before: I think that chopper uses rumble balls for a 2nd level to his normal forms. For example, arm point against an enemy he can take normally wouldn't need a rumble. If he's challenged too much, then he'll eat a rumble.
I've alluded to it, but didn't put it forth so clearly as you have. I think that's what he didi ch 605 http://www.mangafox.com/manga/one_piece/v59/c605/10.html when he turned into a giant form of guard point to prevent the ship from hitting the sea wall. During the fight with the fishmen pirates, Chopper said that he needs to use the rumble ball for only one form, yet in ch 605 he ate a rumble ball. I find it hard to believe that he would need a rumble ball for guard point but not for monster point. It makes sense if he used that rumble ball to access a bigger form of the usual guard point.
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I've alluded to it, but didn't put it forth so clearly as you have. I think that's what he didi ch 605 http://www.mangafox.com/manga/one_piece/v59/c605/10.html when he turned into a giant form of guard point to prevent the ship from hitting the sea wall. During the fight with the fishmen pirates, Chopper said that he needs to use the rumble ball for only one form, yet in ch 605 he ate a rumble ball. I find it hard to believe that he would need a rumble ball for guard point but not for monster point. It makes sense if he used that rumble ball to access a bigger form of the usual guard point.
I'm glad someone agrees with me. And yeah, it is a bit confusing. So, maybe he needs a rumble to access one form (coz he can't access it without a rumble), and he also needs a rumble to access the stronger of the normal forms. I still believe he used a rumble for monster point; we just weren't informed directly.
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'Cause I said his big scar that might be from something he did to himself, and he might die from it in a manga which has pushed Luffy valuing his principles over his life for years (and his using techniques that shorten his life). Oh, yeah, surreal. Almost Dali-esque. Wow. Never knew I had that tab of acid. Hoo-wee. Trippy.
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I broadly agree with **blue-san'**s issues with the FI arc. Reading it in bulk though makes me realise how fast this arc has actually proceeded.
anyway i find it interesting that Caimie and Kokoro do not evince any hatred of humans and can live reasonably well among them or in close proximity to them. Also when the Strawhats appear on FI, the mermaids are not all suspicious, afraid or threatened by them (in the beginning, before Caribou indulged).
The only place where this cycle of hatred seems to be going on is in Fishman district. An area that is forsaken by the establishment of Fishman Island. I have to wonder, despite Otohime's remarkable empathy and grace, why did she never try to bring Fishman District into the fold? I think there was mention of Merfolk v Fishman tension, but it has been ignored in all the general cycle-of-hate anti-human stuff going on.
Fukaboshi did mention how they attempted to ignore Fishman district - but doesn't acknowledge the reason why
It would be ironic that Otohime and the Merfolk of Fishman island had subconscious prejudices against the more brutish Fishman which led to Fishman district being abandoned in all social integration efforts and this in turn led to the creation of Hodi Jones - socialised by his environment of victim-hood, neglect, poverty into a racist.
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Oh btw I may be imensely late on this, but that picture with Jozu and Marco on it, is that Teach in the middle ?
And what's up with his arm ?
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Big scar on Luffy that splits when he goes coco bananas with the haki-infused Gear Third stuff. Look, if he didn't get it from Akainu, then I sincerely doubt he got it from a massive animal on that island. I propose he did it to himself. Some uber powerful G3 technique where he puffs his whole body up. Split his chest when he tried it. If this is right, he'll have to do it again one day. I dunno, maybe against the big boys on Raftel. Could be the death of him… Could send him in the same direction as Gold Roger.
Because it makes as much sense.
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@No:
Oh btw I may be imensely late on this, but that picture with Jozu and Marco on it, is that Teach in the middle ?
And what's up with his arm ?
You mean THE CLAAAW? He used it on Shanks.
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@$abZ:
You mean THE CLAAAW? He used it on Shanks.
Yeah. Funny how I don't remember ever seeing him with that.
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Darn it, the creepy little Internet man isn't pleased by my turn of phrase. What a source of undying shame. Back to the drawing board.
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Darn it, the creepy little Internet man isn't pleased by my turn of phrase. What a source of undying shame. Back to the drawing board.
LOL i love this response, but i also love all the responses to ur seemingly stupid scar post….
on an unrelated note, I got 92.5% on a very questionable mid term, HOORA!~ (no one cares, but i dont care.)
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LOL i love this response, but i also love all the responses to ur seemingly stupid scar post….
on an unrelated note, I got 92.5% on a very questionable mid term, HOORA!~ (no one cares, but i dont care.)
WHOAH DUDE. THAT'S AMAZINGGG!!!!111111
On Topic:
Oda has been on a roll lately. Both advancing the plot and giving the fan service everyone wants. Brook is the definitely the 'shining star' of this chapter. Some people are disappointed by Chopper conquering Monster Point, but I feel like that was bound to happen. Especially with all those hints Chopper made. I do think choosing to reveal it at this moment wasn't the best, but overall its a great chapter. -
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I'm gonna go coco bananas next week, when I remember there'll be no chapter.
! I loved this coco bananas thing, I'm gonna use it all the time.
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Oh man, I'm starting to like Brook more in this arc. He really shone in this arc.
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Found this picture, it reminds me of the Blackbeard's claw/Shank's scar scenario we were talking about.
Someone married their stepmom and then got murdered?
Sounds like he used a monkey paw to make a porno story come true.
Then the curse of the paw eventually killed him.
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Soo.. will Hyouzou use his tentacles next, next week? I hope so :ninja:
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@Mr.333:
Found this picture, it reminds me of the Blackbeard's claw/Shank's scar scenario we were talking about.
Can't unsee Ronald "Shanks" McDonald.
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So, a question that I'm pretty certain hasn't been considered before since I tend to read through all of the stuff here - for G3 Gatling, does Luffy inflate both his arms (my guess: yes, of course, wouldn't make sense otherwise…), and if so, are they half as big as if it was just one arm or what. Plus, hitting with two giant fists... Surely they would collide in mid-air? :ninja:
well as i imagine it he inflates one hand to the max => then he hits his target with it => deflates the arm into his other arm => retracts one arm and smashes with the other => again
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I am truly surprised about Chopper O:
Anyways good chapter :) Too bad there will be a break…
