One Piece 703: Waiting Room
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This chapter Sanji was so funny i think violet may be baby5 and join the crew , luffy will also get beaten in the arena so i hope franky helps him .
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If violet ends up betraying sanji, do you think it will change the way he interacts with the women in the crew?
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Caesar's team has great potential.
Included but not limited to:
- Law overshadows the Straw Hats, sucks.
- Law is overpowered, sucks.
- Dat Law, want to suck :wub:.
- Robin is a walking pair of tits, why Oda why??
No one cares about Robin and Law, we all want to see Usopp and Caesar.
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If violet ends up betraying sanji, do you think it will change the way he interacts with the women in the crew?
No way in hell a bethrayal or two can change Sanjis view about women also Nami and Robin bethrayed the crew too its no biggy , Violet for NN .
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Ok screw the fruit for a second.
Let's talk about this small town "we all drink the punch" vibe we're getting from the citizens of Dressrosa.
Or the apparent trap Luffy is walking into.After last chapter I started to suspect that DD might not just know things about Luffy but the entire crew as well,
aside from Ace's fruit we have.A random Fairy taking Zoro's sword
Mysterious Women soooo drawn to Sanji.
It feels like a set up if I ever seen one.
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After last chapter I started to suspect that DD might not just know things about Luffy but the entire crew as well,
aside from Ace's fruit we have.A random Fairy taking Zoro's sword
Mysterious Women soooo drawn to Sanji.
It feels like a set up if I ever seen one.
I brought up a similar point on my first thoughts of the chapter, and a rebuttal was pointed out: Doflamingo knows the Mera Mera would matter to Luffy because it was the fruit of his brotherâŠ.who was executed in the war....that Doflamingo fought in. The guy knows the connection.
How would he know Zoro treasures his swords and Sanji's weakness is women? It's too specific, and even if the guy was analyzing every feed on Punk Hazard (although didn't he only watch Monet, Vergo, Caesar, and Law?), it'd be too far-fetched of an assumption.
Unless the connections really stretch farther than we think.
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This was the best thread I've read on these forums. I'd like to thank Hody Jones and Monkey King, among others, who entertained me for hours and gave us some of the best quotes we could have ever gotten here because, surprisingly, the discussion became related to the One Piece world very well. I was ready to come in here, dressed up as a portuguese nationalist and boast about how we began the era of european colonialism and bla bla bla. I was really pumped to get into the discussion, but Urouge took the matters into his hands so I'll just leave my thanks to you guys again. Love these forums.
on-topic: Nice build-up chapter, I'm really interested in this toy soldier! He seems really cool and Oda wouldn't introduce him like that if he wasn't gonna be relevant in the arc! (he has already conquered my heart for new crewmate ).
I think the Sanji and Violet plot is really interesting too, curious about how that's gonna go down and what implications it will have with the main plot of the arc. I'm in the Sanji will NOT eat the Mera Mera no mi camp, but I'm not really interested in that right now.
The most important question we should ask now is (IMO) why the fuck does Dressrosa seem to keep functioning like a regular country, like Doflamingo was still the king and this was an average day when a few hours ago a bunch of people were yelling at Dofla's door and everyone was in panic about his resignation? I know more people have asked this question (Franky did it himself a couple of chapters ago) but haven't read any good answers to it⊠-
Ok screw the fruit for a second.
Let's talk about this small town "we all drink the punch" vibe we're getting from the citizens of Dressrosa.
Or the apparent trap Luffy is walking into.After last chapter I started to suspect that DD might not just know things about Luffy but the entire crew as well,
aside from Ace's fruit we have.A random Fairy taking Zoro's sword
Mysterious Women soooo drawn to Sanji.
It feels like a set up if I ever seen one.
DD baited all monster trio with something but i am not sure about Sanji since DD may not see him as a threat because he lacks reputation .
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The most important question we should ask now is (IMO) why the fuck does Dressrosa seem to keep functioning like a regular country, like Doflamingo was still the king and this was an average day when a few hours ago a bunch of people were yelling at Dofla's door and everyone was in panic about his resignation? I know more people have asked this question (Franky did it himself a couple of chapters ago) but haven't read any good answers to itâŠ
I think maybe he is using his COC with his DF ability and controlling people like Hancock did in amazon lily , this came to my mind right now how is this is it possible ?
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The more I think about, the more convinced I am that the living toys are probably animated through the power of Doflamingo whose DF is a little more complicated than being the String String Fruit, as appropriate as that would be.
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Alright then.. on the topic..
Pandaman appears twice in this chapter. Cool. :ninja:!
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The more I think about, the more convinced I am that the living toys are probably animated through the power of Doflamingo whose DF is a little more complicated than being the String String Fruit, as appropriate as that would be.
I also think he may be controlling peoples nerves with his DF so they got relaxed .
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Alright then.. on the topic..
Pandaman appears twice in this chapter. Cool. :ninja:! http://img713.imageshack.us/img713/2896/pan1p.png
http://imageshack.us/a/img854/6370/panoh.pngOr it is just some kind of toy?Whoa nice find. The second one actually resembles the Doskoi Panda more than Pandaman, which is especially interesting because he's never appeared as a character- just a fashion brand logo.
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If we take the case of pekom, he was at the same time a lion and a turtle !
So I think that the compatibility between an artificial fruit and a true devil fruit is a possibility.
We just have to wait and see ! :)Why can't Pekom be a lion that talks instead of a guy that eat the Lion devil fruit? Bepo talks and he is a bear.
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@CCC:
ONTOPIC BIT: How exactly was Spartan a 51 time winner of the monthly tournament when Diamante is considered the "hero" of the colosseum? Unless he just runs the place and doesn't compete⊠but that doesn't seem right.
My assumption would be that the Monthly Tournament is a lesser tier. We're probably going to see the Annual or some other "Special" tournament in this arc.
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My assumption would be that the Monthly Tournament is a lesser tier. We're probably going to see the Annual or some other "Special" tournament in this arc.
And Diamante just doesn't give enough of a shit to enter the monthlies, and somehow automatically gets to compete in the annuals (and Spartan always lost to him, terribly)? I guess I'd buy that.
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This whole place is freaking suspicious.
Doflamingo quits everything and nobody reacts?
Our stuff get stolen and we're supposed to laugh it out and forget it?
Everybody here is OK with this?!?!?!?!?!⊠What?
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@CCC:
ONTOPIC BIT: How exactly was Spartan a 51 time winner of the monthly tournament when Diamante is considered the "hero" of the colosseum? Unless he just runs the place and doesn't compete⊠but that doesn't seem right.
Perhaps the monthly tournament isn't the most prestigious event held at the colosseum? Maybe Diamante is the hero because he is the winner of the "yearly battle royale" or something like that. Or maybe he is the all time most winningest champ, but is technically retired.
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@CCC:
ONTOPIC BIT: How exactly was Spartan a 51 time winner of the monthly tournament when Diamante is considered the "hero" of the colosseum? Unless he just runs the place and doesn't compete⊠but that doesn't seem right.
Theres propably several tiers of tournaments running. If Theres a semi/annual tournament for all the greats, Diamante can school them, and just leave the monthlies to the small fries. Plus, he's much more of a legend if his appearances are infrequent.
I'm thinking its like: Hercules is only the champ of the Gold Cup because Ice Titan and Sephiroth are way too boss to even bother with that tournament
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@CCC:
And Diamante just doesn't give enough of a shit to enter the monthlies, and somehow automatically gets to compete in the annuals (and Spartan always lost to him, terribly)? I guess I'd buy that.
I was thinking to ask you about that, CCC. Should it definitely be interpreted "winner of 51 tournaments" or can it also be interpreted as "having 51 wins in monthly tournaments"?
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@CCC:
And Diamante just doesn't give enough of a shit to enter the monthlies, and somehow automatically gets to compete in the annuals (and Spartan always lost to him, terribly)? I guess I'd buy that.
Well yeah, like Moog I think, I took it as the monthlies being more akin to, to make a horrible sports analogy, a local game, while big tournaments like this one are professional. Obviously the big superstar isn't going to partake in the local games, both because they're beneath him and wouldn't be worth his time, and just to give the lesser people some sort of fighting chance. It's just plain better entertainment.
Basically I took his '51-time winner of the monthly tournament' bit to be a simple way of showing 'hey, look, this guy isn't just some completely random mook, yet Luffy still handled him with ease', while at the same time leaving plenty of room for people to be much more of a danger than him.
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@The:
I'm thinking its like: Hercules is only the champ of the Gold Cup because Ice Titan and Sephiroth are way too boss to even bother with that tournament
Kingdom Hearts analogy makes everything make sense. Hercules was also a chump for losing his divinity by having a barrel thrown at him.
@Panda:
Basically I took his '51-time winner of the monthly tournament' bit to be a simple way of showing 'hey, look, this guy isn't just some completely random mook, yet Luffy still handled him with ease', while at the same time leaving plenty of room for people to be much more of a danger than him.
Yeah, I get that. But this actually was something I wondered while doing the translation⊠almost didn't think that Spartan's wins were even implied to be at DD's tournaments, but rather somewhere else. But yeah. Obviously they are and it's some sort of deal like you guys are proposing.
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I was thinking to ask you about that, CCC. Should it definitely be interpreted "winner of 51 tournaments" or can it also be interpreted as "having 51 wins in monthly tournaments"?
Definitely "winner." The word is åªå, which is in no uncertain terms, "winner." Like of the whole thing. Subwinners have a whole bunch of different titles for them in Japanese, like æºåªå and è¯ãªããšãè³ ("Almost the winner" and "Kinda Alright Something or Other Winner" respectively. I forget the exact wording of that last one.).
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It's not an analogy.
Well, we don't know what's up with Bepo either. Or the cat-man in Hawkin's crew.Yep, is true that we don't know, but we know that Pekom has the Turtle DF and for what we watched Bepo and Pekom appeared always as animals. So, we should think that they are animals that started talking instead of Zoan DF users(And thinking that the possibility of Pekom having two DF probable)
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@CCC:
Definitely "winner." The word is åªå, which is in no uncertain terms, "winner." Like of the whole thing. Subwinners have a whole bunch of different titles for them in Japanese, like æºåªå and è¯ãªããšãè³.
Ah, so he's definitely the absolute winner then. Thanks for the explanation, CCC!
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No problem bro. Always glad to clarify when I can.
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Also, in response to the people who were saying things along the lines of 'Of course the thread is going to be consumed with talk about the fruit, it's the major topic, what else is there?': you're all crazy.
I mean, not in that the fruit is a major topic, of course it is. But acting like there aren't plenty of other things to talk about, especially from a speculation point of view like with the fruit, is insane. I mean, we're a mere three chapters in to this arc, and already the number of plot threads we seem to have set up is insane. To wit, we have: Luffy entering the tournament, Sanji getting involved with Violet, Zoro chasing after this mysterious 'fairy' thief, Kinemon unaccounted for and thus quite likely going to be getting up to something on his own, the Law group going to deliver Caesar and quite possibly walking into some sort of trap, considering that he gave that Vivre card to Nami, meaning the ship group is almost certainly going to be involved in some sort of action of their own. And all that, of course, is not even getting into the fact that the main point of being here is to find and destroy the factory, so that will have to happen at some point, to.
So yeah, acting like there's nothing to talk about other than the fruit, or that it's the only, or even most, interesting thing to discuss, is just madness.
Personally, I'm a little sad that it's looking like, at least for now, that Franky will be losing any sort of focus, since his current role seems to be 'watch the tournament'. I mean, fair is fair, as he had a great deal of focus relatively speaking these past chapters, but that's just it; these past chapters have, I think, been absolutely amazing for him in terms of his characterization and seeing him act like the multi-faceted person he is, rather than simply being SUPERRRR all the time. I think it really serves to show just how much better Oda can be at things like that when he sets things up to focus on individual characters, or simply much smaller groups.
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@CCC: Oh.. good to know.
@Bigivel:Yep, is true that we don't know, but we know that Pekom has the Turtle DF and for what we watched Bepo and Pekom appeared always as animals. So, we should think that they are animals that started talking instead of Zoan DF users(And thinking that the possibility of Pekom having two DF probable)
In "Dive to Grand World" book, Oda stated Pekom and Bepo as some new species.. So I think there are some sort of species can talk like that in this world.
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The major topic should be
"How in the hell is a one-legged toy rollerscating? That's physically impossible!"He ate a SMILE fruit.
And since all SMILE fruits aren't real devil fruits, he won't explode when eating so I think the One-Legged Soldier is the toy who will eat it.
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@Panda:
Personally, I'm a little sad that it's looking like, at least for now, that Franky will be losing any sort of focus, since his current role seems to be 'watch the tournament'. I mean, fair is fair, as he had a great deal of focus relatively speaking these past chapters, but that's just it; these past chapters have, I think, been absolutely amazing for him in terms of his characterization and seeing him act like the multi-faceted person he is, rather than simply being SUPERRRR all the time. I think it really serves to show just how much better Oda can be at things like that when he sets things up to focus on individual characters, or simply much smaller groups.
I agree. The entire scene of Franky urging Luffy to go after the fruit (and the latter's offering, to show the individual bond between the two), was probably one of my favorites in these recent chapters.
But who says he'll be regulated to just watching the show? Perhaps he'll find clues to where the factory is, or to why the atmosphere of Dressrosa seems so calm and suspicious.
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@CCC:
Definitely "winner." The word is åªå, which is in no uncertain terms, "winner." Like of the whole thing. Subwinners have a whole bunch of different titles for them in Japanese, like æºåªå and è¯ãªããšãè³ ("Almost the winner" and "Kinda Alright Something or Other Winner" respectively. I forget the exact wording of that last one.).
I think a tournament can have more than one winner. Winners of different modalities or/and each fighter having a number of appointed fights in a given tournament and if he wins them all then he is a winner(being the winner doesn't mean he fought against all the opponents). A lot of Gladiator tournaments were like that(in that way not only one fighter survived) and I believe the Bullfights are made in this style and the coliseum is made in a Bullfight image.
I believe that the appointed fights are made(in the bullfights and were made in roman time) in a way that the fighters have similar experience to make the fights more entertaining. In that way Spartan 51 winnings equal 4 years and 3 months of experience in that tournament, being Diamante the hero of the Coliseum probably he have been there more time and normally don't fight against Spartan(because he is the hero he rarely fights).
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@Panda:
Personally, I'm a little sad that it's looking like, at least for now, that Franky will be losing any sort of focus, since his current role seems to be 'watch the tournament'. I mean, fair is fair, as he had a great deal of focus relatively speaking these past chapters, but that's just it; these past chapters have, I think, been absolutely amazing for him in terms of his characterization and seeing him act like the multi-faceted person he is, rather than simply being SUPERRRR all the time. I think it really serves to show just how much better Oda can be at things like that when he sets things up to focus on individual characters, or simply much smaller groups.
They came to the colosseum for two reasons, and one was the mera mera fruit which Luffy is focusing on. The other? That should probably be Franky's concern. He was spearheading that portion of it to begin with anyway.
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Winners of different modalities or/and each fighter having a number of appointed fights in a given tournament and if he wins them all then he is a winner(being the winner doesn't mean he fought against all the opponents). A lot of Gladiator tournaments were like that(in that way not only one fighter survived) and I believe the Bullfights are made in this style and the coliseum is made in a Bullfight image.
Wouldn't argue with you there. I'm betting it's set up like this, because this is how most manga tournaments and even sports contests at my middle school in Japan are done. The inevitable brackets!
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Maybe in DD's tournament, the 4 DD Family Members will play a similar role to Hercule in the example above.
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I agree. The entire scene of Franky urging Luffy to go after the fruit (and the latter's offering, to show the individual bond between the two), was probably one of my favorites in these recent chapters.
But who says he'll be regulated to just watching the show? Perhaps he'll find clues to where the factory is, or to why the atmosphere of Dressrosa seems so calm and suspicious.
Oh, I don't doubt that he'll have more of a role to play this arc, I don't think he's finished completely. That's why I added the 'at least for now' part. I simply think that, in the immediately upcoming chapters, it seems pretty likely that focus will be on the various plot threads that were directly introduced in this one (or, alternatively, switching to one of the other groups), and thus no spotlight whatsoever on Franky.
And yeah, it's just as you say, that scene between the two of them was great. I honestly think it's kind of amazing how much characterization Oda can fit into such a short exchange. I thought it was great how, in a sense, Franky sort of came across as a more 'mature' version of Luffy. Luffy has always been the type to simply rush into things based on the slightest whim, and think his actions through possibly later, more likely never. Franky, on the other paw, obviously here at least stops to realize that this whole setup is clearly some form of trap. But, despite that, he still encourages Luffy to go for it. Not, notably I think, in the sort of way say Nami might â a sort of resigned, 'I know I can't stop you when your mind is made up so I won't even try' thing -- but because he simply feels that something of such emotional value is worth going for despite the obvious trap.
The whole interaction, too, sort of came across to me as him being more, well, 'adult'. Which, of course, he is, but I feel that isn't something that generally really comes across at all, what with him simply being part of the crew's antics, so I thought it was an additional nice touch to have.
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@Panda:
I mean, not in that the fruit is a major topic, of course it is. But acting like there aren't plenty of other things to talk about, especially from a speculation point of view like with the fruit, is insane. I mean, we're a mere three chapters in to this arc, and already the number of plot threads we seem to have set up is insane. To wit, we have: Luffy entering the tournament, Sanji getting involved with Violet, Zoro chasing after this mysterious 'fairy' thief, Kinemon unaccounted for and thus quite likely going to be getting up to something on his own, the Law group going to deliver Caesar and quite possibly walking into some sort of trap, considering that he gave that Vivre card to Nami, meaning the ship group is almost certainly going to be involved in some sort of action of their own. And all that, of course, is not even getting into the fact that the main point of being here is to find and destroy the factory, so that will have to happen at some point, to.
I still remember the people who believed the Factory destruction/Samurai rescue team would all participate in the Coliseum, despite the fact the team was already split when Luffy found out about the Mera Mera. Some fans are really obsessed to see Zoro, Sanji and Franky only kicking ass and doing nothing else.
I wouldn't be surprised if Law's team also split for whatever reason. We would get even more subplots.
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@Panda:
And yeah, it's just as you say, that scene between the two of them was great. I honestly think it's kind of amazing how much characterization Oda can fit into such a short exchange. I thought it was great how, in a sense, Franky sort of came across as a more 'mature' version of Luffy. Luffy has always been the type to simply rush into things based on the slightest whim, and think his actions through possibly later, more likely never. Franky, on the other paw, obviously here at least stops to realize that this whole setup is clearly some form of trap. But, despite that, he still encourages Luffy to go for it. Not, notably I think, in the sort of way say Nami might â a sort of resigned, 'I know I can't stop you when your mind is made up so I won't even try' thing -- but because he simply feels that something of such emotional value is worth going for despite the obvious trap.
The whole interaction, too, sort of came across to me as him being more, well, 'adult'. Which, of course, he is, but I feel that isn't something that generally really comes across at all, what with him simply being part of the crew's antics, so I thought it was an additional nice touch to have.
Very good points, all I have to say.
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@CCC:
Wouldn't argue with you there. I'm betting it's set up like this, because this is how most manga tournaments and even sports contests at my middle school in Japan are done. The inevitable brackets!
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This is the most frequently tournament type currently used, and probably this one will be like that, because it will have a prize at the end. But for a lot of reasons at the gladiator time that wasn't(most of the times): fights to death, what prize would you give a gladiator? freedom? but that was only given by the owner or the emperor, each month you would kill the majority of the fighters(the public can decide not to kill a fighter) where would come the next group of fighters?, other than slaves some gladiators were sportsman(even the emperor Commodo was a gladiator) why would they fight in a tournament where they probably would die?
I'm probably over thinking, but I can't see other way how can Diamante be hero of coliseum, Spartan having 51 wins and the Tournament having battles to the death and being monthly but still having a lot of fighters.
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@ccc:
wouldn't argue with you there. I'm betting it's set up like this, because this is how most manga tournaments and even sports contests at my middle school in japan are done. The inevitable brackets!
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maybe in dd's tournament, the 4 dd family members will play a similar role to hercule in the example above.
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Ooooh!
SO YOU'RE SAYING BUGGY WILL BE THE CHAMPION!
[/outofcontext]I think a tournament can have more than one winner. Winners of different modalities or/and each fighter having a number of appointed fights in a given tournament and if he wins them all then he is a winner(being the winner doesn't mean he fought against all the opponents). A lot of Gladiator tournaments were like that(in that way not only one fighter survived) and I believe the Bullfights are made in this style and the coliseum is made in a Bullfight image.
åªå is the final winner. The champion. Not "one of many winners".
So for at least the 51 tournaments he has won, he was the final winner.Obviously there are other champions for whatever tournaments they hold, hell they may have a weekly, annual, swords-only, biggest boob wins, whatever.
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A lot of mods have been active recently which seems fishy.
Ontopic: Why do people want that one legged toy to join? Honestly I think anyone joining the crew now should be really strong(like Jimbe is). The SHs are no longer rookies they need more strong people in crew so they can take on the New world top pirates. And yeah for some reason I believe SHs will land on an island that's under "scopper Gaban" protection because he lives there n no one will dare attack that island.
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Ontopic: Why do people want that one legged toy to join?
I really don't know. People always seem to want characters we know nothing about to join the crew.
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I really don't know. People always seem to want characters we know nothing about to join the crew.
We all have that Luffy inside of us.
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@Panda:
Also, in response to the people who were saying things along the lines of 'Of course the thread is going to be consumed with talk about the fruit, it's the major topic, what else is there?': you're all crazy.
I feel that this is directed to me since I was the only one who said something "along those lines" in the last few pages, but I think you misunderstood my point. I never said that there is nothing else to discuss, but that it is no surprise that the majority of the thread revolves around the Mera Mera no Mi. It is a major plotpoint after all.
But while we are at it, I have the impression that many simply roll their eyes at the discussion & complain without contributing anything themselves. I'm all for diversity, but going "this stinks, talk about something else for fucking sake!" just won't work.If people want to talk about something else they should bring something to the table, just like you did now.
Personally, I'm a little sad that it's looking like, at least for now, that Franky will be losing any sort of focus, since his current role seems to be 'watch the tournament'.
I thought that Franky would have a lot of potential in the colosseum and it's "gladiator" theme. After all it's the perfect playground for his funky gadgets & his overall show-off attitude. But then again, this would be it. Just another SUPER-show.
Now I'm keeping my hopes up that he manages to find out where the factory is located, or even takes care of one of the seats (big-bro style). Might be asking for too much, but he is the only one left who is not occupied elsewhere.But with Franky gone I wonder how Luffy will deal with the fact that every match in the tournament is supposed to be a deathmatch. Even if he doesn't kill his opponents, how would he react if some executioners show up to finish the job? He might crush the event in the very first round because of that.
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åªå is the final winner. The champion. Not "one of many winners".
So for at least the 51 tournaments he has won, he was the final winner.Obviously there are other champions for whatever tournaments they hold, hell they may have a weekly, annual, swords-only, biggest boob wins, whatever.
oh, ok.
Aohige I'm now learning Japanese, I'm only at the begin :( , it would be cool if you and CCC could more than only put the kanji could give the word romanization(it can be in hiragana or katakana) at least (maybe even each individual kanji meaning with romanization/hiragana/katakana). Am I asking too much? I would really appreciate.
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I really don't know. People always seem to want characters we know nothing about to join the crew.
Personally I'm placing my bets on this Lucy fella. The old man seems pretty cool.
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Personally I'm placing my bets on this Lucy fella. The old man seems pretty cool.
Plus, an old guy named Lucy? What a ridiculous name. Oda must be smoking something to come up with this guy and his design.
Was anyone else disappointed that our color spread this week did not feature these new characters and their glorious facial hair?
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But with Franky gone I wonder how Luffy will deal with the fact that every match in the tournament is supposed to be a deathmatch. Even if he doesn't kill his opponents, how would he react if some executioners show up to finish the job? He might crush the event in the very first round because of that.
It would be cool if it goes like the Gladiator movie. All the Audience pointing down and screaming for him to kill is opponent, and then Lucy screams: NO I WON'T!!, HUGE Silence and then all people start applauding him!
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'Palestine' or 'philistine' as you say it isn't even an arabic word. it was the roman word for philistines, which are a group mentioned in some version of the bible. The areas that are currently 'disputed' never were a part of palestine. they were under jordanian and syrian control up until 1967, and then after 5 different countries attacked them, Israel defeated all of them. They reclaimed these areas because without them they realized they could not defend themselves properly from the blatant threat of the surrounding countries.
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Your information is nothing more than stereotypes and recycled rumors. Why would the people who suffered so much from the holocaust threaten someone else with it? They wouldnt.
The turkish flotilla you are referring to, had over 50,000 rounds of ammo, 5 missle launchers, about 800 mortars and several other types of weaponry. You call that innocent? You call that helping? The men that died in that attack died because they attacked first.
Please don't ever say that again, I am serious. I don't know anything about the stuff you believe in, I don't know what kind of news you watch, but you need to know that the stuff you said are wrong on so many different levels. I am not trying to be rude, but there are masscares going on there. "stereotypes and recycled rumors?"
You should never talk about such a subject again, unless you learn the truth about it. even if Kenjitar is kinda of a troll sometimes, but he is from Turkey, a muslim country, he knows more than you'll ever know about those subjects.