@piratemarimo:
okay, I guess I'm just more confused as hell than anything. Kakashi is supposed to be widely known, so I don't understand how it's possible for people to misunderstand that badly. did anyone even know who the fuck sasuke was at that time? there's no logical reason to think he killed two high rank mist ninjas. he didn't do anything to stand out in that fight. besides "die." and when we say Kakashi doesn't get respect, I don't mean the characters don't acknowledge who he is. I just meant Kishi is a bad writer. It's always about sasuke and uchihas and naruto. Kakashi hasn't done noteworthy things in quite some time even though he's supposed to be powerful and know thousands of techniques. It's pretty much like if a character doesn't fall into the three aforementioned categories, you're useless/minor. I guess most of the other characters get shafted by Kishi, too. :P anyway, how old is madara?? I think any normal person would have assumed he's dead because people aren't generally supposed to live that long. Who is Mito?
I agree with kakashi needs more screentime. In real life they don't have jutsus. What the Kages did wasn't so stupid because in the Naruto world people can fly,shoot lasers, make fire out of mouth, etc…..... The hitler reference made no sense at all. Hitler doesn't have magic powers. Mito is the 1st wife.
@tang:
Why do you think the world government wanted ace dead? Just because he was the son of roger. Now, imagine if somehow roger is reincarnated. What do you think the response will be? They are going to try and capture/kill him with any means possible. This is how madara is an ideal, his name inspires respect/terror. Roger status among the marines is quite similar to madara status among konoha villagers, who think of him as the most powerful baddie of all time. I mean even the nine tail fox is scared/hates the guy(as we saw when sasuke talks to him)
Imagine you are playing football for a local team and maradona in his prime walks out for the other side. Wont you change all of your strategies and act a bit irrationally,
Finally, hitler alone wasn't that powerful. It was his status that was the power. If a guy in a mask claims to be hitler, a) nobody will believe it and b)nobody will give a damn. Naruto is set in the middle ages where there used to be kings/heroes. If you have read a song of ice and fire(based on a game of thrones), you will know how important a name/person is.
There is a lot to hate about naruto guys-so dont go start looking for reasons as I believe it has become a fad to hate naruto on this board.
Good post and i agree.
@Hisoga:
not standard at all.. it has "thanks" in there..
and you are confusing "IDEAL" with something else.. seriously… Madara is not an "ideal" at all in Naruto right now. is Goku is an ideal in DB?
and Madara was never been established as an "Ideal" from the first chapter of Naruto up until now..
tobi is the only one that keep bring up that name in front of READERS. and one time Jiraiya and Itachi. please don't confuse "READERs" perspective with characters perspective. nobody in this Naruto generation give a damn about Madara. don't forget there is quite big gap of generation between Madara generations with Naruto generations. for example look at Tsunade, a grandchild of Madara main rival. and Tsunade is an old hag right now. i understand Kishi want to make Madara as an Ideal but the execution is wrong or no execution at all..
How is Goku an ideal? What in the world are you talking about? Most people don't even know who Goku is besides his main group. Madara was looked at has great since he had a giant statue of him and references to Sasuke since part 1.
@Hisoga:
this is why I said you need to read Naruto again.. all the kage and important individuals doesn't really know about Madara and he is the one behind akatsuki, the world famous mercenary. behind Konoha attack 16 years ago? behind 3rd mizukage? collecting all bijuu around the world? WHY? because he is dead.. already dead very long time ago.. and nobody care/afraid of him because HE IS ALREADY DEAD!!! that is why NOBODY in Naruto including the kage not even once include MADARA in their equation as the villain.. remember Kages meeting in Steel Country? Only SASUKE and Akatsuki they have a problem with.. NO ONE even mention anything about MAdara..
and ideal is something that cannot be KILLED or DEAD!!!! even if the person is dead his IDEAL, his presence, his legacy are still live.. but not MADARA. there is no continuation(as a threat or legacy) from his generation to Naruto generation..
The Kages heard stories, just like we heard about Hitler. Oonki sure knew and he confirms to the Kages he was a terror. They feared his name has soon has he brought it up. Sasuke says hi
@Megadoomer:
Retcon, or retroactive continuity, means taking previous events in the plot and reshaping them to fit the author's current need. For example, in Gaara's flashback, we were given absolutely no reason to believe that anybody cared about him - Gaara's father only saw him as a weapon, and Yashamaru hated Gaara because Gaara had killed his mother (Yashamaru's sister) in childbirth, who cursed Gaara and the Sand Village as she died. It was one of the better-written tragic flashbacks in Naruto. Then, all of a sudden, Yashamaru, and Gaara's mother (and maybe the Kazekage; I don't recall exactly), loved Gaara all along, which removed a good deal of the flashback's tragic nature and Gaara's feelings of complete loneliness, along with contradicting what we had been told previously.
Gaara father was never rectoned. He still only saw him has a weapon, but only Yashamaru backstory was revealed. Gaara was told by Yashamaru that his sister hated him at the end of the flashback. He never said it until Gaara was about to kill him to get him mad. How was Gaara flashback change a current need? Kishi could of made it stay the same if he wanted to. We never got to see what the kazekage was up to and he revealed it. He never contradicted one thing from the Kazeakage flashback. Gaara was lied to thats all.