Anyone notice that Luffy had the scar during Rayleigh's flash back?
Akainu gave him that scar during the war so why wouldn't it be there.
Anyone notice that Luffy had the scar during Rayleigh's flash back?
Akainu gave him that scar during the war so why wouldn't it be there.
Anyone notice that Luffy had the scar during Rayleigh's flash back?
Oh my, what does that mean?:getlost:
hmm…More crewmembers...well, Luffy did say at the beginning that he thought 10 crewmembers was about right for his crew. I can definitely see Vivi coming back - it's been 2 years, and her country has to be stable enough for her to leave. As for the last one, it's anybody's guess. Oda did mention somewhere that an ex enemy would become a member of the crew, though I'm not sure if Franky has already fulfilled that role. I was actually thinking that maybe Smoker would become disillusioned with the World Government and join the crew, but it's all speculation at this point.
Does the TS not have any of Nami's orange trees? I'm just wondering why everyone is so worried about oxygen in their bubble, because I'm sure Franky can build artificial light sources. The One Piece world as a whole may seem primitive, but they have fucking robots. It's not like no one invented an ultraviolet light bulb.
Yeah, what happened to her orange trees? I haven't seen them at all on the ship since the timeskip.
Well if you think Aainu gave him the scar that's your business. Im waiting for confirmation
@Monkey:
Haki is starting to make me dislike OP fans.
I'm pretty sure that since Haki has been explained to us by Oda via Rayleigh Oda will make it very clear to us when Haki is being used. Even when we didn't know haki he let us know something happened.
Shanks with the Sea King, Sky Island mantra, Shanks boarding Whitebeard's ship, Garp punching Luffy and Sanji wondering how it hurt since he was rubber, when Luffy knocked out Motobaro, when Rayleigh saved Caime, Sentomaru/Rayleigh when the Straw Hats were separated, when Luffy fought Hancock's sisters, and Luffy/Coby/Hancock/Shanks during the war. And some I might have left out but it has been very obvious when haki has been used.
Haki has even been obvious to us when it has been used since the timeskip. I just don't understand why people are wanting to assume every little thing is haki. Oda is not a horrible writer like Kubo. He will let us know in some way, shape, or form if haki is being used. He's not going to sneak it in the chapter for it to go unnoticed.
I lol'd at the fact someone said Chopper had CoO because he heard voices EVEN though he's a animal. It's like everything doesn't have to be haki.
Don't forget… Usopp used CoO too and Nami used CoA against Brook.
Everything is haki now. Luffy reacting to a punch will be always haki now.
Does the TS not have any of Nami's orange trees?
Yeah, what happened to her orange trees? I haven't seen them at all on the ship since the timeskip.
They're visible behind the main mast (the one toward the back) on the roof of the kitchen.
Since Robin's flower bed is there too, I wonder where Usopp's new Pop Greens will go?
I don't understand why Sabo didn't show up at the war to try and save Ace. Anyone have a guess? I'm hoping for something better than amnesia.
I don't understand why you think stupid fan speculation is a 100% guaranteed fact.
Well if you think Aainu gave him the scar that's your business. Im waiting for confirmation
Here you go.
http://read.mangashare.com/One-Piece/chapter-578/page010.html
hmm…More crewmembers...well, Luffy did say at the beginning that he thought 10 crewmembers was about right for his crew. I can definitely see Vivi coming back - it's been 2 years, and her country has to be stable enough for her to leave. As for the last one, it's anybody's guess. Oda did mention somewhere that an ex enemy would become a member of the crew, though I'm not sure if Franky has already fulfilled that role. I was actually thinking that maybe Smoker would become disillusioned with the World Government and join the crew, but it's all speculation at this point.
Yeah, what happened to her orange trees? I haven't seen them at all on the ship since the timeskip.
How would vivi join the SH? its impossible, she is too weak!!! remember oda gave the straw hats 2 years of preparation for the new world
new world isnt for princesses
I don't understand why you think stupid fan speculation is a 100% guaranteed fact.
I think he means that, should Sabo be alive, like many suspect, and come to play ANY major role in the manga in the future, an explanation for his absence at the execution will have to be a good one.
I think he means that, should Sabo be alive, like many suspect, and come to play ANY major role in the manga in the future, an explanation for his absence at the execution will have to be a good one.
The best possibility is that he was on Vertigo with the other Revolutionaries and was too far away to do much of anything.
I think he means that, should Sabo be alive, like many suspect, and come to play ANY major role in the manga in the future, an explanation for his absence at the execution will have to be a good one.
But he didn't word it like that. He obviously believes Sabo is alive despite there being absolutely no proof.
Don't try to defend him.
Here you go.
http://read.mangashare.com/One-Piece/chapter-578/page010.html
How is that a confirmation?
It's still only a theory to think that that's the reason for his scar.
I still think it happened while training. That punch didn't seem like an attack that would leave an X shaped scar.
I don't understand why you think stupid fan speculation is a 100% guaranteed fact.
I don't understand why you assumed I thought anything of the sort. The fact of the matter is Sabo didn't show up to try and save Ace. Why do YOU suppose this is? It could be for a multitude of reasons; I'm interested in all of yours.
In regards to the amnesia comment, which is where I assume you took issue: amnesia is just one cliche that I hope Oda doesn't employ. He could go alot of different ways to explain why Luffy showed up and Sabo didn't.
But he didn't word it like that. He obviously believes Sabo is alive despite there being absolutely no proof.
Aside from the scene where Dragon saved him.
He could go alot of different ways to explain why Luffy showed up and Sabo didn't.
Luffy was right next to Marineford and he still barely made it with the help of three shichibukai, a revolutionary leader, a small army and a secret military current behind him.
Anyone further away had no chance of all at making it in time.
Apparently convection finally kicked in when Akainu attacked Jinbei.
I think he means that, should Sabo be alive, like many suspect, and come to play ANY major role in the manga in the future, an explanation for his absence at the execution will have to be a good one.
Yes. This. Thank you.
@Cyan:
The best possibility is that he was on Vertigo with the other Revolutionaries and was too far away to do much of anything.
Not sure on the timeline, but Luffy read about Ace's execution 6 days (I think) beforehand, but I think Elder Nyon said that because of their location the papers are slow to get there. So we know it was at least that amount of time. Perhaps WB knew beforehand somehow, or perhaps it was in the newspaper before that. But I don't recall anything specifically saying so.
So, barring any other information, we have to assume that the first announcement regarding Ace's execution was in the paper that Luffy read. We don't have an exact location on Amazon Lilly relative to the first half of the Grand Line, just that it would take 6 days by boat to ID and 4 days by the Tarai Current, but assuming Sabo was any further away than Amazon Lilly he wouldn't have been able to make it in time. If he wasn't in the Grand Line and didn't have access to a seastone coated ship he wouldn't have been able to make it in time.
For all we know Sabo works for one of the other yonkou and they wouldn't let him go.
Maybe Kaidou heading towards Marineford was because he wanted to drop off Sabo there.
How is that a confirmation?
It's still only a theory to think that that's the reason for his scar.I still think it happened while training. That punch didn't seem like an attack that would leave an X shaped scar.
Bottom left panel. And you seem to have forgotten Law's surgery on Luffy after they escaped.
@NeverEnder:
I don't understand why you assumed I thought anything of the sort. The fact of the matter is Sabo didn't show up to try and save Ace. Why do YOU suppose this is? It could be for a multitude of reasons; I'm interested in all of yours.
In regards to the amnesia comment, which is where I assume you took issue: amnesia is just one cliche that I hope Oda doesn't employ. He could go alot of different ways to explain why Luffy showed up and Sabo didn't.
@RobbyBevard:
Aside from the scene where Dragon saved him.
Until I see Sabo, twelve years older, in the manga, him being alive will continue to be nothing but fan speculation.
So, barring any other information, we have to assume that the first announcement regarding Ace's execution was in the paper that Luffy read.
Ace's execution was made public during the first time Luffy and co. were at Sabaody Archipelago just before the situation at the auction house.
Papers were sent out and each of the Supernovas aside from Luffy, Kidd and Law were shown reacting to it.
law's treatment on luffy shud be the reason for the scar.
and for sabo's thing…get over it people. ur arguing something that no one knows the answer to. put it out and leave it at that
Until I see Sabo, twelve years older, in the manga, him being alive will continue to be nothing but fan speculation.
So you think Dragon was saving Bluejam then. Got it.
and for sabo's thing…get over it people. ur arguing something that no one knows the answer to. put it out and leave it at that
Dragon saved SOMEONE the day of the Tenryubiito arrival, that was in bad shape, and he'd taken an interest in Sabo before.
Or do you think Oda showed not only the scene of them meeting, but the scene of Dragon going back for someone, for no reason at all? Mind you, he had to go out of his way and rewind the narrative and place a flashback within the flashback to fit that scene in.
Also, here is Sabo, 12 years older:
http://read.mangashare.com/One-Piece/chapter-596/page001.html
Oda may have been doing a "well he's dead but this is what he would have looked like." But that seems pretty rediculous.
Sabo was last seen being shot by a cannon, and we know that's not enough to kill a One Piece character, but it could leave him with injuries. The guy reporting that Sabo got blown up apparently left immediately after the blast. Oda doesn't kill characters unless the mood is right.
Dragon brought an injured person aboard the ship. Said injured person was brought with them to Vertigo.
Bluejam, clearly.
Fan speculation.
Yes. Information we were given on panel that we could actually see is fan speculation.
Fan speculation.
Comprehending Oda's storytelling style.
Putting two and two together.
Common sense.
@RobbyBevard:
Yes. Information we were given on panel that we could actually see is fan speculation.
Was that directed at me?
Id assume it was for you as a panel from the manga is their argument against your argument.
Sadly I could still be wrong
It's just basic storytelling, you don't stick scenes that have nothing to do with the plot into the story unless you are a bad writer, or your writing some seriously weird and surreal stuff. Oda is, I think we can all agree, not a bad writer, if he has a scene in the manga it's in there for a reason. Now can you give us a good reason for the scene in which dragon saves someone other than to tell the reader's that Sabo is alive? I actually want to know.
As for Luffy's scar, why do people need to look beyond the obvious? Sure his scar could have been caused by something other that Akainu but given that Oda showed us a scene that could have easily caused that scar, why look further and think it was caused by something else? It seems like people are, actually… I'm not sure what it seams like, it's just strange.
Also, did any one else love Chopper's face as the coating gos over him on this page http://mangastream.com/read/one_piece/18264105/11 ? One of my favorite Chopper moments, normally I don't find him at all cute but he definitely was in that panel.
@Cyan:
Comprehending Oda's storytelling style.
Putting two and two together.
Common sense.
He probably agrees with us. It is hard not to considering how obvious Oda made it. But he is right, it is "fan speculation" until later, -theory-, until Oda makes it blatant.
For instance, where does everyone suppose Smoker is after 2 years, and having had requested a transfer to G-5 or wherever? To state he is there after all is "fan speculation", regardless of the evidence (because Oda has yet to show us him on that base), and to state he is anywhere else is the same also. Would you expect Crocodile to be in the NW, just because he stated it as his intent? Without seeing him there it is just "fan speculation." Caimie, Papagg, and Hacchi on FI? "Fan speculation."
But I prefer to think Oda is writing a cohesive, no waste story, without frivolous chatter with no bearing on the story.
Alot of people underastimating Nami now that she has studied with those Weatheria Nerds i bet she can do awesome things now with navigate etc. Also without Nami u cant Reach Raftel. except the pirate kings navigator.
He probably agrees with us. It is hard not to considering how obvious Oda made it. But he is right, it is "fan speculation" until later, -theory-, until Oda makes it blatant.
For instance, where does everyone suppose Smoker is after 2 years, and having had requested a transfer to G-5 or wherever? To state he is there after all is "fan speculation", regardless of the evidence (because Oda has yet to show us him on that base), and to state he is anywhere else is the same also. Would you expect Crocodile to be in the NW, just because he stated it as his intent? Without seeing him there it is just "fan speculation." Caimie, Papagg, and Hacchi on FI? "Fan speculation."
But I prefer to think Oda is writing a cohesive, no waste story, without frivolous chatter with no bearing on the story.
Actually, we don't even know if Smoker ever went to G5. We know he wanted to, and Aokiji said he'd talk to Sengoku about it, but we don't actually know. There's evidence to possibly support that theory, but its still theory.
We've never even seen Camie, Pappaug, or Hacchi on FI in the first place. For all we know they can't find it. Not likely, but possibly.
I agree that Sabo might be alive. He might be dead. It would be somewhat odd to go to the trouble of having us like Sabo then killing him so quickly, but I don't necessarily think that the only explanation is that he's alive.
Actually, we don't even know if Smoker ever went to G5. We know he wanted to, and Aokiji said he'd talk to Sengoku about it, but we don't actually know. There's evidence to possibly support that theory, but its still theory.
We've never even seen Camie, Pappaug, or Hacchi on FI in the first place. For all we know they can't find it. Not likely, but possibly.
I agree that Sabo might be alive. He might be dead. It would be somewhat odd to go to the trouble of having us like Sabo then killing him so quickly, but I don't necessarily think that the only explanation is that he's alive.
I agree with you. Oda has set up expectations, and I argue none of us will be surprised when it turns out to be true. But until then, it's all theory.
smoker definately became VA, minimum
I think Smoker should already have been around at least 'Rear Admiral-level' pre-timeskip, to be honest…I mean, a man with his battle skills seemed too good for a sheer title of "Commodore"..xP Most of that seems to be contributed by the advantage of having a Logia fruit, however..
Smoker was only stuck at Captain rank because he kept telling his superiors to "eat shit". After meeting Luffy he's fallen in line out of a desire to chase him specifically and rising the ranks. VA wouldn't be a surprising rank for him at all after the skip, but I dunno that he was full blown admiral level. All the admirals have at least 20 years of service.
@RobbyBevard:
Smoker was only stuck at Captain rank because he kept telling his superiors to "eat shit". After meeting Luffy he's fallen in line out of a desire to chase him specifically and rising the ranks. VA wouldn't be a surprising rank for him at all after the skip, but I dunno that he was full blown admiral level. All the admirals have at least 20 years of service.
20 years ago Kuzan And Sakazuki were vice-admirals. We don't know when they became Admiral right? It could be in the next 1 or 2 years for that matter.
Just saying.
@RobbyBevard:
Smoker was only stuck at Captain rank because he kept telling his superiors to "eat shit". After meeting Luffy he's fallen in line out of a desire to chase him specifically and rising the ranks. VA wouldn't be a surprising rank for him at all after the skip, but I dunno that he was full blown admiral level. All the admirals have at least 20 years of service.
Aaha, oh yeah, huh? :P Forgot about that…
And yeah, I definitely don't think he's exactly ready for the title of "Admiral" just yet either, but I could say he definitely has potential..
100% hes not admiral. VA is definately a possibilty. we know that Garp stayed as VA because it gave him all the freedom he wanted. that freedom is what smoker's looking for
I want to know what Zoro's reaction to Hancock was. He seemed to ignore Franky's upgrade. Maybe the Kuja ship was on his left side.
Smoker being VA is very very possible, but I wouldn't be surprised if he were an Admiral, since he seems to fit the role quite well and better than the other VA we have seen so far. Unless Oda comes up with another cool Logia type Admiral. Whatever it is, I'm more curious to see who's the new Admiral that will replace Aokiji.
i'm hoping for some kinda water fruit =.= it wud be weird as fuck LOL
I am willing to bet that Smoker will be the VA in charge of all of G5. He MIGHT become an admiral by the end of the series, but he feels much more like this generation's Garp (but less… stupid), so I doubt he will ever have an interest after he "gains a rank high enough to do whatever he wants."
i'm hoping for some kinda water fruit =.= it wud be weird as fuck LOL
Water fruit isn't ever going to happen simply because it contradicts what it is to have a devil fruit.
What we do have is Fishmen Karate, which behaves very similarly to how a logia would control their own element.
I am willing to bet that Smoker will be the VA in charge of all of G5. He MIGHT become an admiral by the end of the series, but he feels much more like this generation's Garp (but less… stupid), so I doubt he will ever have an interest after he "gains a rank high enough to do whatever he wants."
I think Smoker would be dead by the end of the series. xP
@Sea:
20 years ago Kuzan And Sakazuki were vice-admirals. We don't know when they became Admiral right? It could be in the next 1 or 2 years for that matter.
Just saying.
Speaking of which, if Kuzan And Sakazuki were Vice-Admirals during Roger's time, and Kong was the Fleet Admiral during that time as well, I wonder who were the other Admirals that served underneath him? I know that during that time period Sengoku was one of the Admirals, but who were the other two & where are they now….... :ninja: