dont forget
50 trees
16 is in law area
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Luffy's Message
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"I survived the buster call", please remember the Alabasta Arc… The X was not a tatoo, and was not an arband. From when something written in your arm has to be a tattoo?
I think you misunderstood my post. I never said it had to be permanent, or even that it was a tattoo. (It's not important in this case, but FTR I am of the opinion that it is an armband like those worn in funerals, because I believe I can see bandages at the bottom of it, and that some of the lines are the stretching of the fabric of the band.) AND I never said anything about the X in Alabasta being a tattoo–I mean that bit on Luffy's arm that appears to be an "X" in this chapter may have a meaning in and of itself, like the X's on everyone's arms in Alabasta, rather than being used to cross something out, like on Ace's tattoo. Is that more clear?
Namiday--you aren't supposed to double post. If you have something to add, you are supposed to edit your post and add it. The edit button is down on the bottom right of your post--ask if you need help finding it, k?
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I noticed that people are saying that the SHs would go back to SA by following Rayleigh's vivre card. But the card only leads to the person, not a set place, so it would lead it probably back to AL where Luffy is along with Rayleigh.
I think that Nami's statement just refers to the uncertainty of Luffy's safety after the war and was saying it because she was relived.
Along with that, I think that when Rayleigh said even though he and Jimbei were there, they(the SHs) were to understand both that Luffy's safe, and when they follow the vivre card, it would lead to Luffy and himself.
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@Sky:
I noticed that people are saying that the SHs would go back to SA by following Rayleigh's vivre card. But the card only leads to the person, not a set place, so it would lead it probably back to AL where Luffy is along with Rayleigh.
Actually, it leads back to the card, NOT the person. Rayleigh made a big point about this and left his card with Shakky.
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I'm not saying that the "tattoo" is the entire message, but Rayleigh in fact says that if they look at the article, they should get it. So, the picture might have something to do with the message. I'm looking at the raw right now, and it says mireba, not yomeba. Obviously it's leaving too much to chance to put the entire message in a tattoo. Although, considering how happy the reporters supposedly were to get that shot of Luffy praying, and the fact that he's majestically offering a silent prayer, makes me think that Rayleigh knew that shot would end up in the paper. Perhaps that's the "uncharacteristic" thing about the whole ordeal–Luffy silently and majestically offering a prayer for the dead.
Another mistranslation on the same page . . . Rayleigh says there was one dull-looking man with Luffy, not two. Poor Zoro!
Also explains why he's the only one who hasn't gotten it yet. I was expecting Franky or someone to be confused as well.Everyone seems to be focusing on the 16 rings or the tattoo, but Luffy did a whole heck of a lot of other stuff, too. It may have all been camouflage, but I think there's a possibility that it's all part of the message. Either it all comes together to form the message, or perhaps there are messages. Eight messages, to be precise. Perhaps each little part isn't meant to be interpreted by the entire crew, but maybe by individual members? Each part points to the same thing, but in different ways? Thus, Vivi wouldn't get it, because there isn't a message for her. There also isn't a message for us, so we won't get it entirely.
Perhaps the language used to describe the articles can give us some clues, too. For example, the word used to describe how they sailed the marine ship around the island is 一周 (isshuu). It means once around, a revolution, one full year, etc. Stick another kanji at the end, and it can also refer to the first anniversary of death (merry's? ace's?) 一周忌, one period in astronomy (so maybe we're only talking a month's time) 一周期, or once again, one full year 一周年. Then there's also the flowers, going into the plaza alone, etc., etc.
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Then, what will next chapter be about. Blackbeard sipping a cup of tea?
I dunno but Oda always manages to spread these things out so it wouldn't surprise me at all.
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Inb4 Blackbeard eating Cherry Pies :wub:
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wait so how did luffy use the vivre card to find ace? did ace have the other piece hidden somewhere?
When I die I want to get shot out of a cannon. Scare the hell out of someone.
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wait so how did luffy use the vivre card to find ace? did ace have the other piece hidden somewhere?
Yeah, in his ass I guess.
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On the first page, robby mentioned that SA could mean SS (robby explains that part)
And you missed the point.
I was saying that "Sabondy Archipalego" isn't what its called in Japanese. Its initials would be SS in English, NOT SA.
I wasn't in any way saying "SS" was on the armband.
wait so how did luffy use the vivre card to find ace? did ace have the other piece hidden somewhere?
Beats me, but Rayleigh specifically left his behind so as to not be followed.
So I guess Ace had it in his pants or something. Or maybe he gave Luffy the entire card, instead of a piece of it, so it would in fact then point to Ace, instead of the card.
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@robbybedfart:
Beats me, but Rayleigh specifically left his behind so as to not be followed.
So I guess Ace had it in his pants or something. Or maybe he gave Luffy the entire card, instead of a piece of it, so it would in fact then point to Ace, instead of the card.
How would the vivre card point to Ace if he doesn't have it? He most likely kept a small piece with him somewhere.
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but remember when they enter ID the dip the person in boiling water as a 'clensing ritual'. How would he have kept the card?
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Ace was still wearing his clothes, not prison issued ones, so it was probably in his pocket.
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wait so how did luffy use the vivre card to find ace? did ace have the other piece hidden somewhere?
Ace must have had it on him because Luffy was using it in the prison, if I am not mistaken.
@Sky:
but remember when they enter ID the dip the person in boiling water as a 'clensing ritual'. How would he have kept the card?
I think they even mentioned the way Ace took the dipping, but I would assume he was naked when they did that. But as said he was not issued prison clothes, when they searched his belongings they probably did not find the card, or realize what it was.
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@JERK:
Ace was still wearing his clothes, not prison issued ones, so it was probably in his pocket.
The jailers let Crocodile keep his hook, and didn't seize Ace's personal stuff. Too confident.
Yeah, in his ass I guess.
Burn the vivre card, put the remain dust in in a glass of rum and then drink it.
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@Sea:
The jailers let Crocodile keep his hook, and didn't seize Ace's personal stuff. Too confident.
Burn the virvre card, put the remain dust in in a glass of rum and then drink it.
I believe that vivrecards are fireproof and waterproof.
And I can see why they would let crocodile keep his hook in ID, wearing the seastone cuffs and locked away in level 6 they must have figured they would never have to worry about him again.
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But remember that he has poison in that hook? He would prove to be dangerous, even in his cell. Sometimes, those marines aren't really thinking…
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@Sky:
But remember that he has poison in that hook? He would prove to be dangerous, even in his cell. Sometimes, those marines aren't really thinking…
True but I do not think the marines realized that.
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@AMS:
I believe that vivrecards are fireproof and waterproof.
There is no way to destroy a vivre card, unless done by a magma fist.
And I can see why they would let crocodile keep his hook in ID, wearing the seastone cuffs and locked away in level 6 they must have figured they would never have to worry about him again.
Plus no one had escaped Impel Down (Shiki aside before), which give them the confidence.
But remember that he has poison in that hook? He would prove to be dangerous, even in his cell. Sometimes, those marines aren't really thinking…
If there is someone who wasn't thinking, it is Oda.
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@Sky:
But remember that he has poison in that hook? He would prove to be dangerous, even in his cell. Sometimes, those marines aren't really thinking…
But the poison part of the hook was broken during the fight with Luffy, and he was captured right after that, so I doubt he had it in ID–and in fact it never made any appearances during the war either. Something tells me, as lax as they may be in ID, that they wouldn't fix it for him while he was there, lol. (But... there was that stupid comment by Croc about Luffy having blood even though he was rubber, despite the fact that his whole downfall was due to Luffy's blood... Oda not thinking, or just Croc being ironic? LOL.)
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@I:
(But… there was that stupid comment by Croc about Luffy having blood even though he was rubber, despite the fact that his whole downfall was due to Luffy's blood... Oda not thinking, or just Croc being ironic? LOL.)
Actually what Croc was surprised at was that Luffy was injured from a normal physical attack, the kind that should not have injured a rubberman.
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So, I've been thinking a lot about what Luffy's message might mean…and I've got a theory.
First let's look at what we KNOW
-Luffy sailed around the island, signifying a burial at sea
-He held a silent prayer, mourning a death
-He rang the Ox Bell 16 times. 2 times would signify a death. 16 times means the end of the year or the end of an era metaphorically at least according to Killer
-This was a message Rayleigh intended to reach the other Straw Hats
-This plan was born from Rayleigh's fear that the crew reuniting now would mean their certain death because of what happened at Sabaody ArchipelagoNow, as you may know, I believe a time skip is coming. I approached deciphering this message from the standpoint that Luffy is trying to convey to his crew that they should not reunite immediately.
I believe that this message was intended for his crew and could easily be veiled to deceive the rest of the world.
Luffy was indeed mourning a loss, a death, but it was not Ace's.
Luffy was mourning his own death and the death of the Straw Hat Pirates.
On Sabaody Archipelago, the crew faced, for the first time, complete and utter defeat at the hands of Pacafista and Sentomaru. They faced certain death. If not for the protection of Silvers Rayleigh and Bartholomew Kuma, they would have been killed without question by Admiral Kizaru or even Sentomaru and the Pacafista. Kizaru is one thing...few people could face him...but the crew was too weak to even run away from a few Pacafista.
In a sense, seeing each of his crew members disappear right before his eyes...they were symbolically dying to Luffy.
The Straw Hat Pirates were not only defeated on Sabaody...they died there. If anything had even gone just a little bit differently, not one of them would have been alive. If Kuma's lobotomy had come just a week sooner, they'd be dead. If Rayleigh were a few minutes later, they'd be dead. If Kuma was hostile, they'd be dead. They're too weak to avoid this truth.
Luffy was telling them not to reunite now. They're not strong enough. They're not alive. The rest of the world does not know this, they only know the events of Marineford. Even Kizaru who was present at the crew's defeat would be deceived into thinking Luffy was mourning the death of Ace and Whitebeard. After all, the Straw Hats are only symbolically dead, not physically dead. The much more obvious interpretation would be that Luffy was mourning Ace and Whitebeard or even the Marines killed at the battle.
Why the crew will understand this message rather than the one that Luffy is mourning Ace? They know it comes from Rayleigh rather than Luffy. They know Rayleigh witnessed their defeat. Nami calls Luffy selfish...this statement makes sense if this is the interpretation we are to understand.
Why 16 rings instead of 2 then? Well it is not as Killer says. While Blackbeard is so arrogant as to declare the passage of Whitebeard's age and the beginning of his own at Marineford, this does not seem much like Luffy...and I highly doubt Rayleigh would want Luffy to declare this either. We must keep in mind this message was Rayleigh's idea. 16 rings signifies the beginning of a new age, a new start, a new beginning, or a rebirth...for the Straw Hat Pirates. When they reunite, they're starting over and they have to be stronger. They "died" at Sabaody, and they will be reborn, better and stronger than ever when they reunite...but knowing that they "died" and that Luffy is mourning their death, the crew will not be so hasty as to reunite right away.
This will convey to them Rayleigh's message, his fear that they will only face the same exact fate as what they faced on Sabaody if they reunite right now.
So that's my best explanation of Luffy's message!
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that is … actually a ridiculously good theory
I'll throw my lot in with that one.
And I hope it's a tattoo so badly and not some dumbass onetime message.
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yeah, that's a damn good theory
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@Vongola_Boss_XI
I've heard the SHs "died" talk before and that could be the message (the symbolic death part is fact) but if the message is not to reunite immediately how will they know when to reunite? Another wild stunt by Luffy?
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@Zik:
I've heard the SHs "died" talk before and that could be the message but if the message is not to
reunite immediately how will they know when to reunite? Another wild stunt by Luffy?The bell ringing is for the transition from one year to the next.
So the bells can signify the time (new years night/day) and the arm band can signify the place (Sabaody Archipelago 2nd Yarukiman) [Someone thought that last one up in a different thread].
Which is the only lawless zone near a coast.
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I figured it out. Luffy is saying meet in a couple of years. I got this because of what mihawk said to Zoro…In the anime, and manga I think Oda hinted at a time skip......Mihawk said to zoro that "the baboons possess the capability of learning by observing human behavior, and the war that took place on the island 7 years ago taught the animals how to use weapons."..... In the war was mihawk and the baboons learned to fight by watching him...Zoro isn't sronger than mihawk so i think that it will take him a couple of years to catch up to mihawk while hes on the island(during the time skip.). And during the timeskip zoro will become very close to surpassing mihawk.. That's why I think luffys message was to wait a couple years.
What the fuck are you talking about?
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The bell ringing is for the transition from one year to the next.
So the bells can signify the time (new years night/day) and the arm band can signify the place.
I was really talking about Vonogola Boss XI' theory since he said nothing about the time or place or the arm band. The whole theory just deals with the "SH death" aspect, not meeting immediately and that being an implication of a time skip.
Or are you going off his theory as well and saying the bell ringing is a double entendre? Meet on New Years/we died and are being reborn for the new year?
As for your edit Robby already explained that SA would not be referred to as SA if Oda was gonna write it out but it'd be SS.
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If you ring it two times for a death, it could be that Luffy rang it twice for each of the Strawhats that isn't him. If we're going with Vongola_Boss_XI's idea.
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@Vongola_Boss_XI:
! So, I've been thinking a lot about what Luffy's message might mean…and I've got a theory.
! First let's look at what we KNOW
! -Luffy sailed around the island, signifying a burial at sea
-He held a silent prayer, mourning a death
-He rang the Ox Bell 16 times. 2 times would signify a death. 16 times means the end of the year or the end of an era metaphorically at least according to Killer
-This was a message Rayleigh intended to reach the other Straw Hats
-This plan was born from Rayleigh's fear that the crew reuniting now would mean their certain death because of what happened at Sabaody Archipelago
! Now, as you may know, I believe a time skip is coming. I approached deciphering this message from the standpoint that Luffy is trying to convey to his crew that they should not reunite immediately.
! I believe that this message was intended for his crew and could easily be veiled to deceive the rest of the world.
! Luffy was indeed mourning a loss, a death, but it was not Ace's.
! Luffy was mourning his own death and the death of the Straw Hat Pirates.
! On Sabaody Archipelago, the crew faced, for the first time, complete and utter defeat at the hands of Pacafista and Sentomaru. They faced certain death. If not for the protection of Silvers Rayleigh and Bartholomew Kuma, they would have been killed without question by Admiral Kizaru or even Sentomaru and the Pacafista. Kizaru is one thing...few people could face him...but the crew was too weak to even run away from a few Pacafista.
! In a sense, seeing each of his crew members disappear right before his eyes...they were symbolically dying to Luffy.
! The Straw Hat Pirates were not only defeated on Sabaody...they died there. If anything had even gone just a little bit differently, not one of them would have been alive. If Kuma's lobotomy had come just a week sooner, they'd be dead. If Rayleigh were a few minutes later, they'd be dead. If Kuma was hostile, they'd be dead. They're too weak to avoid this truth.
! Luffy was telling them not to reunite now. They're not strong enough. They're not alive. The rest of the world does not know this, they only know the events of Marineford. Even Kizaru who was present at the crew's defeat would be deceived into thinking Luffy was mourning the death of Ace and Whitebeard. After all, the Straw Hats are only symbolically dead, not physically dead. The much more obvious interpretation would be that Luffy was mourning Ace and Whitebeard or even the Marines killed at the battle.
! Why the crew will understand this message rather than the one that Luffy is mourning Ace? They know it comes from Rayleigh rather than Luffy. They know Rayleigh witnessed their defeat. Nami calls Luffy selfish...this statement makes sense if this is the interpretation we are to understand.
! Why 16 rings instead of 2 then? Well it is not as Killer says. While Blackbeard is so arrogant as to declare the passage of Whitebeard's age and the beginning of his own at Marineford, this does not seem much like Luffy...and I highly doubt Rayleigh would want Luffy to declare this either. We must keep in mind this message was Rayleigh's idea. 16 rings signifies the beginning of a new age, a new start, a new beginning, or a rebirth...for the Straw Hat Pirates. When they reunite, they're starting over and they have to be stronger. They "died" at Sabaody, and they will be reborn, better and stronger than ever when they reunite...but knowing that they "died" and that Luffy is mourning their death, the crew will not be so hasty as to reunite right away.
! This will convey to them Rayleigh's message, his fear that they will only face the same exact fate as what they faced on Sabaody if they reunite right now.
! So that's my best explanation of Luffy's message!16 chars of awesome theory. I just don't get the part of beeing selfish (probably because of my poor english). Can someone explain me this?
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Vongola, great theory, its extremely possible, but about where they will meet, Luffy can just get the Vivre card from Shakky and they will find him where ever he is and about when they will meet, I never thought a time skip was possible but after reading that it does tie up a lot of the loose ends between how Luffy was ready to meet up and Rayleigh basically said that if they met up now that the same would happen, I'm not a huge fan of time skips tho. About Nami's comments of Luffy being selfish, she wants to see Luffy and the rest of the crew really bad and she is stating that Luffy is going against what the others all want.
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@Zik:
I was really talking about Vonogola Boss XI' theory since he said nothing about the time or place or the arm band. The whole theory just deals with the "SH death" aspect, not meeting immediately and that being an implication of a time skip.
Or are you going off his theory as well and saying the bell ringing is a double entendre? Meet on New Years/we died and are being reborn for the new year?
As for your edit Robby already explained that SA would not be referred to as SA if Oda was gonna write it out but it'd be SS.
Well you remember this plan wasn't luffy's.
Ray pitched it but i really think it was Shakky's idea. She is the master of information and i think she used the change in the era to hide the real message which is "This coming new year". We don't know when that is in OP time. But hopefully its not too far off.
However everyone else except for the SHs are assuming its him being a flashy bragging guy whos proclaiming this is his "era". But the SHs know he's not the type to brag. And now feel reassured of Luffy's state of mind since he went public, especially at the execution site. It also describes namis "he's selfish" remark since she turned the whole sky island inhabitates against her trying to rush off to his side as fast as she could.
But my guess the SHs will get together at the new year, which will probably be ample time for them to solve their deliemas, grow stronger, and meet back up to cause hell. Again I'm not looking for a time skip. Hopefully we get montages instead of flat out "x weeks/months later".
PS. haven't seen his theory until i posted that comment below xD
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brook was the ninth dipshit and when does the next chapter come out?
HAHA No he wasn't dumbass.
Well you remember this plan wasn't luffy's.
Ray pitched it but i really think it was Shakky's idea. She is the master of information and i think she used the change in the era to hide the real message which is "This coming new year". We don't know when that is in OP time. But hopefully its not too far off.
However everyone else except for the SHs are assuming its him being a flashy bragging guy whos proclaiming this is his "era". But the SHs know he's not the type to brag. And now feel reassured of Luffy's state of mind since he went public, especially at the execution site. It also describes namis "he's selfish" remark since she turned the whole sky island inhabitates against her trying to rush off to his side as fast as she could.
But my guess the SHs will get together at the new year, which will probably be ample time for them to solve their deliemas, grow stronger, and meet back up to cause hell. Again I'm not looking for a time skip. Hopefully we get montages instead of flat out "x weeks/months later".
All I asked is if you're agreeing with VBXI and calling the message a double entendre or not. You didn't need to remind me of who's plan it is or who you think it is. I did read the chap, you didn't need to remind me of things to reaffirm the point you're making.
Originally Posted by MikeThe___
I figured it out. Luffy is saying meet in a couple of years. I got this because of what mihawk said to Zoro…In the anime, and manga I think Oda hinted at a time skip......Mihawk said to zoro that "the baboons possess the capability of learning by observing human behavior, and the war that took place on the island 7 years ago taught the animals how to use weapons."..... In the war was mihawk and the baboons learned to fight by watching him...Zoro isn't sronger than mihawk so i think that it will take him a couple of years to catch up to mihawk while hes on the island(during the time skip.). And during the timeskip zoro will become very close to surpassing mihawk.. That's why I think luffys message was to wait a couple years.You're like one of Neomaster's students right?
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@Vongola_Boss_XI:
So, I've been thinking a lot about what Luffy's message might mean…and I've got a theory.
! First let's look at what we KNOW
! -Luffy sailed around the island, signifying a burial at sea
-He held a silent prayer, mourning a death
-He rang the Ox Bell 16 times. 2 times would signify a death. 16 times means the end of the year or the end of an era metaphorically at least according to Killer
-This was a message Rayleigh intended to reach the other Straw Hats
-This plan was born from Rayleigh's fear that the crew reuniting now would mean their certain death because of what happened at Sabaody Archipelago
! Now, as you may know, I believe a time skip is coming. I approached deciphering this message from the standpoint that Luffy is trying to convey to his crew that they should not reunite immediately.
! I believe that this message was intended for his crew and could easily be veiled to deceive the rest of the world.
! Luffy was indeed mourning a loss, a death, but it was not Ace's.
! Luffy was mourning his own death and the death of the Straw Hat Pirates.
! On Sabaody Archipelago, the crew faced, for the first time, complete and utter defeat at the hands of Pacafista and Sentomaru. They faced certain death. If not for the protection of Silvers Rayleigh and Bartholomew Kuma, they would have been killed without question by Admiral Kizaru or even Sentomaru and the Pacafista. Kizaru is one thing…few people could face him...but the crew was too weak to even run away from a few Pacafista.
! In a sense, seeing each of his crew members disappear right before his eyes...they were symbolically dying to Luffy.
! The Straw Hat Pirates were not only defeated on Sabaody...they died there. If anything had even gone just a little bit differently, not one of them would have been alive. If Kuma's lobotomy had come just a week sooner, they'd be dead. If Rayleigh were a few minutes later, they'd be dead. If Kuma was hostile, they'd be dead. They're too weak to avoid this truth.
! Luffy was telling them not to reunite now. They're not strong enough. They're not alive. The rest of the world does not know this, they only know the events of Marineford. Even Kizaru who was present at the crew's defeat would be deceived into thinking Luffy was mourning the death of Ace and Whitebeard. After all, the Straw Hats are only symbolically dead, not physically dead. The much more obvious interpretation would be that Luffy was mourning Ace and Whitebeard or even the Marines killed at the battle.
! Why the crew will understand this message rather than the one that Luffy is mourning Ace? They know it comes from Rayleigh rather than Luffy. They know Rayleigh witnessed their defeat. Nami calls Luffy selfish...this statement makes sense if this is the interpretation we are to understand.
! Why 16 rings instead of 2 then? Well it is not as Killer says. While Blackbeard is so arrogant as to declare the passage of Whitebeard's age and the beginning of his own at Marineford, this does not seem much like Luffy...and I highly doubt Rayleigh would want Luffy to declare this either. We must keep in mind this message was Rayleigh's idea. 16 rings signifies the beginning of a new age, a new start, a new beginning, or a rebirth...for the Straw Hat Pirates. When they reunite, they're starting over and they have to be stronger. They "died" at Sabaody, and they will be reborn, better and stronger than ever when they reunite...but knowing that they "died" and that Luffy is mourning their death, the crew will not be so hasty as to reunite right away.
! This will convey to them Rayleigh's message, his fear that they will only face the same exact fate as what they faced on Sabaody if they reunite right now.So that's my best explanation of Luffy's message!
FFFFFFF- that's the best theory I've heard so far. It could use some work but I like it. And it's good to see that you didn't mention the tattoo/armband/paint /whatever at all.
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@Vongola_Boss_XI:
So, I've been thinking a lot about what Luffy's message might mean…and I've got a theory.
First let's look at what we KNOW
-Luffy sailed around the island, signifying a burial at sea
-He held a silent prayer, mourning a death
-He rang the Ox Bell 16 times. 2 times would signify a death. 16 times means the end of the year or the end of an era metaphorically at least according to Killer
-This was a message Rayleigh intended to reach the other Straw Hats
-This plan was born from Rayleigh's fear that the crew reuniting now would mean their certain death because of what happened at Sabaody ArchipelagoNow, as you may know, I believe a time skip is coming. I approached deciphering this message from the standpoint that Luffy is trying to convey to his crew that they should not reunite immediately.
I believe that this message was intended for his crew and could easily be veiled to deceive the rest of the world.
Luffy was indeed mourning a loss, a death, but it was not Ace's.
Luffy was mourning his own death and the death of the Straw Hat Pirates.
On Sabaody Archipelago, the crew faced, for the first time, complete and utter defeat at the hands of Pacafista and Sentomaru. They faced certain death. If not for the protection of Silvers Rayleigh and Bartholomew Kuma, they would have been killed without question by Admiral Kizaru or even Sentomaru and the Pacafista. Kizaru is one thing...few people could face him...but the crew was too weak to even run away from a few Pacafista.
In a sense, seeing each of his crew members disappear right before his eyes...they were symbolically dying to Luffy.
The Straw Hat Pirates were not only defeated on Sabaody...they died there. If anything had even gone just a little bit differently, not one of them would have been alive. If Kuma's lobotomy had come just a week sooner, they'd be dead. If Rayleigh were a few minutes later, they'd be dead. If Kuma was hostile, they'd be dead. They're too weak to avoid this truth.
Luffy was telling them not to reunite now. They're not strong enough. They're not alive. The rest of the world does not know this, they only know the events of Marineford. Even Kizaru who was present at the crew's defeat would be deceived into thinking Luffy was mourning the death of Ace and Whitebeard. After all, the Straw Hats are only symbolically dead, not physically dead. The much more obvious interpretation would be that Luffy was mourning Ace and Whitebeard or even the Marines killed at the battle.
Why the crew will understand this message rather than the one that Luffy is mourning Ace? They know it comes from Rayleigh rather than Luffy. They know Rayleigh witnessed their defeat. Nami calls Luffy selfish...this statement makes sense if this is the interpretation we are to understand.
Why 16 rings instead of 2 then? Well it is not as Killer says. While Blackbeard is so arrogant as to declare the passage of Whitebeard's age and the beginning of his own at Marineford, this does not seem much like Luffy...and I highly doubt Rayleigh would want Luffy to declare this either. We must keep in mind this message was Rayleigh's idea. 16 rings signifies the beginning of a new age, a new start, a new beginning, or a rebirth...for the Straw Hat Pirates. When they reunite, they're starting over and they have to be stronger. They "died" at Sabaody, and they will be reborn, better and stronger than ever when they reunite...but knowing that they "died" and that Luffy is mourning their death, the crew will not be so hasty as to reunite right away.
This will convey to them Rayleigh's message, his fear that they will only face the same exact fate as what they faced on Sabaody if they reunite right now.
So that's my best explanation of Luffy's message!
Most of your post is implying that luffy is giving a frienship speech to his crew through the newspapers….
Kind of unlikely. There would be a more cryptic message and being that Shakky probably came up with the plan rather than Ray himself I bet there is more meaning to everything than you are implying. Shakky nor Ray would want to broadcast such a complicated sentiment but a message of when is the ideal time to get back together. Since the whole point as you put it is Ray[/shakky] doesn't want the crew to get together to just suffer the same defeat.
The point of the message is to delay the reunion, giving the time and place to meet, and then spend that time getting stronger.
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Vongola Boss, that is one hell of a theory.
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@Zik:
I was really talking about Vonogola Boss XI' theory since he said nothing about the time or place or the arm band. The whole theory just deals with the "SH death" aspect, not meeting immediately and that being an implication of a time skip.
Or are you going off his theory as well and saying the bell ringing is a double entendre? Meet on New Years/we died and are being reborn for the new year?
As for your edit Robby already explained that SA would not be referred to as SA if Oda was gonna write it out but it'd be SS.
Totally agree. This is a very good theory indeed. But when should this happen? The theory is like, let's reunite later… Something is missing here. And like I said before, I think the answer is in the onetime message "tattoo" that DM AL hates. A timeskip of 2 Years. The place is where Ray's VC is (Shakky and Sunny).
Most of your post is implying that luffy is giving a frienship speech to his crew through the newspapers….
Kind of unlikely. There would be a more cryptic message and being that Shakky probably came up with the plan rather than Ray himself I bet there is more meaning to everything than you are implying. Shakky nor Ray would want to broadcast such a complicated sentiment but a message of when is the ideal time to get back together. Since the whole point as you put it is Ray[/shakky] doesn't want the crew to get together to just suffer the same defeat.
The point of the message is to delay the reunion, giving the time and place to meet, and then spend that time getting stronger.
The place? Why? They have a VC. It's much better (Zoro agrees :happy:).
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Totally agree. This is a very good theory indeed. But when should this happen? The theory is like, let's reunite later… Something is missing here. And like I said before, I think the answer is in the onetime message "tattoo" that DM AL hates. A timeskip of 2 Years. The place is where Ray's VC is (Shakky and Sunny).
The place? Why? They have a VC. It's much better (Zoro agrees :happy:).
VC tells the direction but won't it make it easier if you already know the intended direction before you follow your virve. :o
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VC tells the direction but won't it make it easier if you already know the intended direction before you follow your virve. :o
You are saying that they will risk their necks (I'm sure the Marines will be able to break the code) to know the intended direction before they follow the VC (that already give the direction)? Sorry, I don’t get it.
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I'm not sure but, about the tattoo on luffy's arm…
Doesn't the first letter stand for Sabo and the second for Ace, and they are crossed out because they're dead?Tho i don't know what the rest stands for.
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@Vongola_Boss_XI
I've heard the SHs "died" talk before and that could be the message (the symbolic death part is fact) but if the message is not to reunite immediately how will they know when to reunite? Another wild stunt by Luffy?
Maybe the when is left at their discretion. Maybe the message was to get stronger, to convey the serious thought Luffy (and Rayleigh) have given to the crew's weakness in front of enemies like the kumabots and Sentomaru (not even mentioning Kizaru or Kuma). Maybe it's like "don't return till you think you can take on opponents like that". That message fits in perfectly with Nami's words on Luffy being selfish. The only downside is that the strawhats' reunion would be staggered and hence, less dramatic.
Btw, an awesome theory, Vongola_Boss_XI, the best I've heard so far.
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