Kaitouu, would you mind setting yourself to L-1?

I understand the case for Mastello. Him not being killed off Night 1 surprised me, honestly. With him being "pretty much town" at the end of Day 1 it seemed to me he would be a safe target for a mafia kill. He did claim vanilla townie (which may have averted mafia attention) at that point and his acceptance towards his lynch Day 1 is still surprising. To me, it would be much easier to feign acceptance in late game than it is in early game as there is less risk involved early on. As much as I want to suspect him, he's rather low on my list.

Kaitouu: Who would you be most willing to lynch today and why?

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@Mr.:

To me, it would be much more enticing to feign acceptance in late game than it is in early game as there is more reward later.

Sorry, just wanted to make an edit. That sentence didn't make too much sense.

I don't exactly agree with the lynch on you, Harvady. Like you said, I doubt both mafia members would hammer their own when the wagon wasn't even that strong to begin with. The safest lynch would easily be Shuhan, especially since he stated yesterday that he hadn't gone Fool once.

The Kaitouu argument is compelling. I've suspected him since Day 1 and the hammer yesterday is extremely worrisome as well. 5 minutes may not seem like a lot, but voting at L-2 when we're planning on fast lynching someone is risky no matter what.

I want to hear more from Kaitouu and Mastello before we carry on.

Vote Lynch: vorlianis
I've been wanting to build a case on Huschel since Day 2 but was unable to because of my absence being followed with his replacement. I do think that he, or in this case vorlianis, is a viable lynch. Unfortunately for me, building this case is a mess. Replacing someone mid-game can have many repercussions; however I think there is something here.

What I found strange was Huschel's constant defence for Shuhan. For the bulk of Days 1 and 2 he consistently did all he could to explain why he thought Shuhan was town rather than mafia. It makes some sense at first, but the insistence is just unreasonable. Everyone was at least suspicious of Shuhan, some of us even considering a quick lynch Day 2, but not once did he have any reasonable doubt of his innocence. Many of his assumptions were based on Shuhan being townie as well. Sure, he pointed it out that he could be wrong, but he mainly vouched for his innocence.

@Huschel:

If Shuhan really is a fool already or even just trying to pull off his gotcha we can safely assume that he is town. So no fool bias please, we should make it a point to find out his thoughts on people. Care to make a list, Shu?

@Huschel:

I stand by my reasoning. Shuhan might be mafia trying to throw us off. But when does a mafia player ever deliberately draw attention to themselves like that? On day 1? So he's town to me.

@Huschel:

@Sky and Tyrano: If you thought that Shuhan used to be a townie (and will be one again tomorrow) what would your approach to him be tomorrow?

@Huschel:

Lastly, I wasn't sure if I wanted to mention it but I had also been thinking about the masons going for Shuhan. If he is mafia and if he went for his actual Gotcha then that would be instant game over for the bad guys. Except they'd kill him of course. That's two "if"s (and I don't personally believe it) but I feel like the upside is high enough to warrant thinking about it (in silence).

@Huschel:

It has changed somewhat. I'm not as convinced of him being a townie as I was at first but I still consider it way more likely. It is true that in any case Shuhan hasn't really contributed anything at all to the town's game. I don't think we need to speed-lynch him tomorrow. If he goes for his Gotcha again (and we should be able to spot that) that seals the deal. It would only leave us with Day 3 to lynch him at all but we don't necessarily need to. It wouldn't be a good plan for him to go there anyway …

Now, that's only if he's town. If he is mafia and playing this gambit then obviously we wouldn't be able to leave him alone. I'm somewaht confident that we would be able to figure this out with the help of powers along the way though.

Then there's this gem.

@Huschel:

@Tyrano: I believe that if Shuhan were mafia he would be dead. Killed by his own buddies to preserve themselves. The only counter argument to that would be Shuhan faking his Gotcha. I don't see it though.

Shuhan, I feel like half of what I do is telling people that you're not scum. I hope you're worth it.

Not only did he defend Shuhan, but he involves Tyrano in this. Now, this isn't substantial proof, but it's also noteworthy for another reason.

On Day 1, Huschel states that his top suspects are Sky, myself, and Tyrano. The strange thing is, Huschel never once pressed Tyrano more than the general "Who do you suspect?" type questions. Instead, he focuses much more on Sky and myself. The two of us were definitely scummy on Day 1, there's no denying that, but he went after us adamantly as a pair rather than individual suspects. In fact, by Day 2, he drops Tyrano almost entirely as a suspect and focuses solely on us.

@Huschel:

Mr Habaneroo, Sky and Kaitouu.

As Sky has been suspicious on her own (I also felt that her posts didn't have much substance) that might just be one mafia player looking out for another.

Tyrano also hasn't really been doing a lot either as far as I can tell even though he has been here since the beginning but I'm very inclined to lynch either Mr. Habaneroo or Sky today. @Huschel:

Sorry, that was supposed to say Tyrano. I miyed thme up and only corrected it later in the post.

@Huschel:

I suppose I would have changed my vote from Mr. Habaneroo to Sky instead of Mastello. I wouldn't be surprised if Sky and Mr. Habaneroo were both mafia. Haba for the reasons I stated yesterday (fishing for night strategies, defending Sky, cryptic smilie shenanigans that confuse players). Sky because of the little substance in her posts. Haba was definitely more suspicious to me and still is but I was worried that he might have gone Fool. Which so far is no concern today.

Lastly, in regards to Huschel, it appears that he attempted to go for his Gotcha on Day 2. Again he includes a reference to Tyrano in his following post; using it as a defence for his strange posting style. It only highlights his lack of suspicion towards Tyrano. It's strange that someone's top suspect Day 1 would suddenly be dropped Day 2 with no real reason, especially when that suspect flips mafia the same day.

@Huschel:

quote be too long

@Huschel:

Because I tried to make it easy to grasp for Tyrano. Didn't want to have a run-on sentence with two ifs.

That leads into vorlianis. The switch changed up plenty. He immediately drops the Shuhan defence and goes straight for the lynch.

@vorlianis:

Okay, i won't be able to available for a large amount of hours so i'll try to put something together. Sorry.

Shuhan. What do you think you're doing? What do you think you're contributing? Who do you want to vote?

At this point we really need to lynch someone cause mainly i see a lot of beating around the bush and we need a substantial development, i feel like Shuhan is personally the best candidate for this cause… i don't know what he's doing but it's inconsistent and random.

Why do you say you're not going for your gotcha but then go for it anyway in your next post.

I'll try to be back when i can for your reply but i'll put my vote on you for now.

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Vote Lynch: Shuhan

It's entirely possible that vorlianis truly saw Shuhan as suspicious whilst Huschel did not, but I'm more inclined to believe that it was a way out of the radar. With Huschel's constant defending of Shuhan, along with his inevitable lynch, there's no way Huschel wouldn't be labeled suspicious. The only way to escape that would be to lynch Shuhan himself. Now that we know Shuhan's role, I'm starting to believe this even more.

I know it's been said yesterday by Sky, but I claim Mason.

Vote Lynch: Shuhan

@vorlianis:

Mr Haba, What makes you think Foolio is telling the truth? Why do you think he's insane?

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I really have no basis of believing other than thinking that he was least likely to be mafia prior to his claim. At the moment of my post he was uncc'd as well. Assuming that he is a cop his claim to be insane isn't all that unlikely. He could've checked on trapped and got a guilty report. That's all I have on him. Everything is based on major assumptions. If someone happens to claim at another time it's very possible that he's bluffing, but as of now I choose to believe him. I'm still waiting till tomorrow to see what happens.

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I love your gifs by the way, Shuhan.

So mot one, but TWO Cops claim? What is this madness!?

There's so much to cover from my absence! I can't handle it all at once. :C I'll make general statements for now and hope that discussion will lead into tomorrow.

I think that Outerspec is the Sane Cop. Based on what Foolio said, it would make sense. Kitsune is now high on my scum list. Low on my scum list: xas, Mastello, Kaitouu. Initially Foolio and Outerspec were there, but they kinda turned out to be Cops. (wat) I'm considering lynching him tomorrow.

Outerspec claiming Cop is definitely a blessing and a curse. He'll either die or get roleblocked tonight. We won't get anymore reports from him either way.

The Tyrano bandwagon makes sense to me, and it seems the only way we'll get answers today is if we get a lynch. I hate to do this to ya, buddy, but I'm gonna be laying down a vote if nothing happens. I won't vote now out of fear of us getting hammered early, but I want to hear from some people regarding the new developments.

Quick update for myself. Sorry for my inactivity, everyone. I ran into some personal issues and couldn't get on reliable internet for the past two days. I won't let it happen again.

Catching up on the thread right now. Will contribute as much as possible.

I'm kinda upset that I didn't get jailed tonight, but I guess since trapped died it doesn't really make a difference now.

@Kitsune:

Mr. Habaneroo and Shuhan, one of you will most likely be the lynch if you continue to act scummy like you did yesterday. What do you plan to do differently today?

I can assure you that I'll be acting differently today. Let it play out, and you'll see.

@Kitsune:

Shuhan, Mr. Habaneroo, Outerspec, what is your new Gotcha?

My Gotcha is still the same. I had no intention of completing it yesterday. I don't want a Cop to out so early, but, if one did check on me, he/she can confirm that I am indeed still town. The report would specifically say "Fool," no?

Some interesting developments happened while I was asleep!

I'm actually rather okay with a lynch on me tonight. My turn might reveal quite a bit. Or… maybe not. But I can assure that it'll be interesting!

Mastello, to me, now seems the most likely to be townie. My points are the same as Mrs. Iceburg's, with a few added things.

I don't want to say too much right now. I do have a small proposition if the town is willing to take it. If the Jailer decides to jail me tonight, I'll lay all my cards to him/her alone. I may prove myself to be useful.

Also, I didn't say it earlier because it wasn't the 23rd where I live... Happy birthday, Huschel!