enters from the abyss

I'm interested if you have enough people!

@Kitsune-Inferno

As I step back onto the forum for the first time in a while, I'm definitely down to get back into these games. I like the idea of asynchronous games, as well as speed, and weekend games. I'm finding myself with more freetime than I've had in years and I'd love to play another game hosted by you.

Yayy, good job everyone.

I had a really good time playing and sluething!

I'm totally on-board for a No swords lynch today, especially after Jabber explained himself a bit. I've voted already.

To be honest, if it's not No swords, it would be star. I have no doubts that the Coroner role they described was honest, especially with the detail given. At this point, its unlikely, but I think that there could've been a theif/coroner mafia team.

I say that we lynch No swords today, then if we don't end the game, Kitsune investigates star, I watch Kitsune, and we have a relatively conclusive day 4.

@starlalilymoon:

Actually, I made a mistake. I can only visit the dead and check their role, role description, and what items they had. I can't keep the items, I'm sorry for being confusing, I was confused too about the description, but it's cleared up now! ><

Okay, that makes more sense.

@No:

Even without investigating her, I believe that Star is telling the truth about her role, if not her alinement. It seems way too intricate and detailed to be making up out of nowhere, especially for a new player.

No problem, being more honest now will help with scum hunting. It may have been a little selfish of me to bring up keeping roles a secret just so I could have a chance to prove I'm telling the truth.

Also, this might be a crazy idea, but hear me out:

After checking the mafia wiki, it says that FBI agents usually just get a guilty reading on serial killers and no one else. And of all the players still alive, basically all of us agree that myself, Star, and Sky are the most suspicious. If we lynched one of us today, and then another of the three or Kitsune died at night, then Jabber is the safest person on the final day, since we've all seen him as getting an accurate read on Kmo. But thinking about this differently, all he would need to be "confirmed" as an FBI agent would be the knowledge that Kmo is a serial killer.

So what if Jabber is actually a mafia role cop, or similar equivalent, and just used the knowledge he gained from checking Kmo night 1?

Looking back at day 2, the momentum for lynching was almost completely on Huschel under Jabber brought up his report. It's not like it was super risky for Jabber to do it, since he would be validated when Kmo died if he knew his role. Since then, none of us have doubted or investigated Jabber. I haven't done it, Kitsune hasn't done it, heck, it Sky is telling the truth, then she was protecting Jabber both nights until now, in a way. No one here has ever double checked or suspected anything in regards to Jabber after his claim.

And while Jabber did mention the idea of Shuhan shooting Huschel, he wasn't the first one to bring it up; Sky was. But it still let Huschel have a night action he very, very likely would not have been permitted otherwise. Like, say, using the gun he stole at least once.

Plus, nobody's claimed to have any sort of protective role or used a protective item, yet everyone lived through night one. And if the mafia really do each have a night power, like Jabber just brought up, then it's very possible we've had a mafia thief/mafia role cop combo, who needed items to kill. If they decided to both target Kmo night 1, they could have then acted based on that information in addition Kitsune's report. Heck, if this is the case, then its possible Huschel was the role cop and Jabber is the thief, and they privately exchanged information after Huschel was exposed so Jabber could both get suspicion off of himself and keep the gun he stole.

This is an interesting point, and seems to have a lot of forethought on Jabber's part. It could be possible, but I'd also like to look at their posts that day for a feel. Plus, the later part of your argument could be applied to you as well, considering that you're claiming a role cop.

@Jabberwok:

Thinking through this, you should almost certainly target Kitsune tonight with your ability as it's the closest thing to protection we have. He's a confirmed Townie with a powerful ability, so either you see who kills him or he's unharmed and can investigate again.

That makes sense too, and if we don't lynch the last mafia today, Kitsune can use his power on No Swords to determine guilt.

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Actually, no. That theory doesn't make sense. There's no reason that Jabber would chose to investigate night 1 instead of killing with the gun he had. A night 1 kill is almost guaranteed if the mafia has the ability, and there's no reason mafia shouldn't kill that first night over investigating a role, especially if Huschel stole kmo's gun that night.

With that, and everything we've said so far, I think we should lynch No swords, there's almost no doubt in my mind that they're the last mafia.

@Kitsune:

Sky is Not Guilty.

Vote Lynch: No swords style best style

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Unvote

Just in case we want to sus the rest of this out.

Okay. I'm glad I was cleared. I'm still down to vote out No swords today and if not them, then star?

@starlalilymoon:

Well, relooking at my description it seems I do have the items, though when I did my night action, I was told this was what was on the person. So, I guess I do have them? >.<

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So, from my understanding, I do actually have the items from my role description, but when I did my night action, I was never told what the items actually did, only that this was what was in their possession. I hope that makes sense. ^^

Okay, so your role allows you to visit the dead, take every item they had, and learn their role? That has the potential to be pretty powerful, so I'm not quite convinced, but the way you've presented the info so far has me leaning towards you being town.

So I think if we all agree, we can either lynch no swords today, or go through another night to determine if people are telling the truth about their roles. Assumably, if No swords role is real, they can visit Huschel during the night to find out their role, and star can also visit Huschel to confirm his role(and get his items).
If I also target Huschel, I would be able to see that both of them 'visited' during the night.

However, I'm still leaning towards lynching today, since we're in a good position.

Aah, perhaps the ski mask prevented me from seeing kmo visit anyone. Or rather, if I'd targeted someone who kmo stole from, I would've only gotten the knowledge that *someone had visited that person, rather than kmo himself.

To be completely honest, star's information seems to match pretty well to how the set up has been revealed so far, and makes sense when we have abilities to target the dead for things as well.

I feel as though the two cop type claims have come through well, so I think it makes sense that No swords and myself are the top candidates for the last mafia. Obviously, I know that I'm town-aligned so my bet is No swords. I think it'll ultimately be up to the town to decide, but I think that with our current numbers, even if we vote out a townie, and somehow the last mafia kills during the night, we still have another day to vote them out.

So I'm pretty confident leaving this here for now. I'll hope that Kitsune's report has something fruitful, but I think we also may be able to simply scum hunt as well.

Vote Lynch: No swords style best style

I don't think there's any way to confirm it. Shuhan admitted to stealing from Jabberwok from the first night almost at day-start, so I didn't get a chance to question him directly.

For the first night, I targeted Jabber because they talked a lot the first day, and I thought that someone would target them for something. The second night I thought that since Jabber seemed like a confirmed cop, that they would be a target for the mafia.

What is interesting about the role is that I can target someone who is alive or not, so I think it's likely that other roles can target the dead, including the thieves.

I'm not sure about Role Cop, it could make sense considering that death hasn't revealed roles, just alignment. But except for the two thieves I'm not sure what the point of it would be.

No swords, could you quote to where you alluded to this before?

Besides that, I'm okay with role reveals at this point, because I think it'll help us scum hunt.

I am a Watcher. I can target someone and determine who visited them during the night. The first night, I watched Jabberwok and saw Shuhan visit them. The second night, I watched Jabberwok again (since I thought they were a confirmed cop) but no one visited them last night.

I did not start out with any items, nor have I received any.

Alright, what a night! Kmo was a surprise third-party, so I'm glad we were able to lynch him before he caused any trouble.

@Jabberwok:

So Huschel AND kmo were both anti-Town? Huh.

I think we can assume Shuhan killed Huschel last night, unless someone offers a contradictory story. That also explains why Huschel hammered so quick, which I was looking forward to following up on.

Might as well reveal this, since I've already said I have an investigative role. I got a Not Guilty result on starlalilymoon last night. However, because I'm a Town FBI Agent, it's possible that I'll only receive a Guilty result on a Serial Killer like kmo. So starla's probably clear but we shouldn't count her out.

Kirby, would you tell us if any items were found on a body?

That is an interesting role. It would make sense, especially with such a small game to have two separate roles for investigating 'guilt' for third party and mafia. However I did want to check with Kitsune that your role is a Cop and not an FBI Agent.

In terms of who we have left, I think out of the 5 who are left, we have 1 mafia and 4 town. It doesn't make sense to have any more third party or mafia, since that would've meant we only had 4 townies to start out of 8.

With that, I think we have a real opportunity to lynch today, especially if Kitsune's reports were fruitful. Even if we mislynch today and somehow the mafia has a gun, we would still have another day to scum-hunt.

Lastly I will say that I was not broken into and nothing was stolen from me.