So wait, there is a higher position in the marines then Fleet Admiral??
From the way OP Yellow had it, he's actually above the Marines.
How did Coby get Haki before Luffy and Zoro?
umm luffy has been displaying signs of haki for a while now. not everyone is gonna hear voices, that's only a certain type of haki. and as for zoro, i personally think his ability to hear the breath of things he wants to cut can be attributed to haki but we'll have to wait for confirmation. even if zoro doesn't have haki yet, its not strange for coby to experience it first, since the war was an uncharacteristically traumatic experience that may have caused the ability to manifest in coby earlier than normal, as the doctor said it usually requires a long period of training to get to the point where coby is at for his type of haki.
In a 1v100 matchup, always bet on birdcage
Getting hit by Haki awakens it. hmm SO Coby can hurt Logias now or he needs to learn how to control it. Considering fodders on amazon village could do it, i don't see a problem. All the vice admirals can do it seems. Another thing i don't get is how the hell Hancock is still a warlord. Smoker is their talking to possibly the future Fleet admiral and doesn't mention it.
not all types of haki have been confirmed to give a user the ability to counter a logia
In a 1v100 matchup, always bet on birdcage
Getting hit by Haki awakens it. hmm SO Coby can hurt Logias now or he needs to learn how to control it. Considering fodders on amazon village could do it, i don't see a problem. All the vice admirals can do it seems. Another thing i don't get is how the hell Hancock is still a warlord. Smoker is their talking to possibly the future Fleet admiral and doesn't mention it.
Well from the looks of it at the moment it seems like he can only "sense" peoples presence right now and he can't control it now.. And seeing as how there are different sort of Hakis maybe Coby has the kind that lets him know where people are going to attack. Can't know for sure until more is explained about haki and we see how coby progresses with his training . I think smoker forgot about Hancock or didn't care enough since he's now set on something new(Going to g5).
"To secure peace is to prepare for war."
@JERK:
And I don't approve of this lol, what's your point? You thought you'd catch me from behind or what?
The US also keeps it's dirty laundry out of borders, not against it's own citiezins, which makes it's abuses both more undercover and makes the compfortable people back home less likely to be against it.
No i just wanted to point out that virtually no system of successful gov't in the entire history of the world has survived without dirtying its hands. You seem to link dirty hands automatically to oppressive dictatorships when in fact they can just easily be linked to successful democracies. No matter the system they are all in place to keep the world in line so if you pick on one system for having dirty laundry you might as well pick on all of them. You take the good with the bad or you shut up and live as a hermit until you find a better way and can change anything.
Obviously you're not choosing to live in isolation and are choosing to partake in society, which means you are passively supporting the system that is used to maintain it even if you don't agree with it.
@JERK:
If we turned the guns on our people (and no Kent State is absolutely not an example of anything we're talking about), watch how quickly that would end any support for those policies.
I don't see how you throw Kent State out the window like that. Military force using their own judgment to uphold the orders they were given to preserve peace even at the cost of civilians. Sounds like it fits.
@JERK:
I never said they RESULT in dictatorships exclusively. That is a problem with your logic. The US would have this problem if we tolerated it in the home and not against other people in other countries.
We do tolerate it in our homeland. We've always tolerated it in our homeland. There was the first red scare, that was condemned afterward. Then the internment camps, that was condemned afterward. Then there was McCarthyism, that was condemned afterward. Then there was the Patriot Act, which is still tolerated. Historically the US has had no problem arrested political prisoners and for the time it was always tolerated. Its not till decades later that people point out how wrong it was and how no one saw it coming until it was too late. We survive based on this system of denial while accepting fascist policies when we feel threatened enough to allow them.
@JERK:
I love this. You're astoundingly naive. The US hasn't instituted facism in our own government, niether do any of the modern first world democracies. We inch toward civil rights abuse with tiny things like the Patriot Act, but that's all.
You call the Patriot Act a tiny civil abuse and you're calling me naive. You just spent several post hollering about how i was basically supporting the ideology that leads to fascist dictatorships and here you're down playing an act that includes wire tapping, ignoring search and seizure protection, indefinite detaining of suspects, denying lawyers to accused, being jailed without being told why, etc etc…that's just tiny civil rights abuse? Under that act the gov't could come into your home without telling you why, arrest you without charging you, deny you a lawyer, and then detain you until you die of old age. It literally doesn't get more Fascist than that.
You have to be one of the biggest hypocrites on here. At least if you don't like my view I'm consistent. You're just wave after wave of self-indulgent juvenile political ideology and insults. You cite history and at the same time ignore it. You claim to be grounded but spout ideology that sounds nice but practically has never worked for any successful nation. The world is a giant grey area and those who see it as Black and White are either on the Black side or the White side so they're never going to be able to even fathom things from another perspective.
Just keep on comparing my ideas to Stalin so you can reread your post and pat yourself on the back…fight that system that lets you live so comfortably
@Flamin-Fist:
umm luffy has been displaying signs of haki for a while now. not everyone is gonna hear voices, that's only a certain type of haki. and as for zoro, i personally think his ability to hear the breath of things he wants to cut can be attributed to haki but we'll have to wait for confirmation. even if zoro doesn't have haki yet, its not strange for coby to experience it first, since the war was an uncharacteristically traumatic experience that may have caused the ability to manifest in coby earlier than normal, as the doctor said it usually requires a long period of training to get to the point where coby is at for his type of haki.
yea, i can't wait for the explaination from reylehigh.
i think eneru and aisa had the same type of haki as coby, they just grew up apart from the world and ended up calling it mantra
In a 1v100 matchup, always bet on birdcage
You don't need to think it.
It's just true.
Well from the looks of it at the moment it seems like he can only "sense" peoples presence right now and he can't control it now.. And seeing as how there are different sort of Hakis maybe Coby has the kind that lets him know where people are going to attack. Can't know for sure until more is explained about haki and we see how coby progresses with his training . I think smoker forgot about Hancock or didn't care enough since he's now set on something new(Going to g5).
yea, but Smoker is after Luffy. Why wouldn't he mention Honcock. She declared to not helping them in the war too. She was basically fighting Marines. The other warlords actually helped. Seems pretty weird they still trust her. I am surprise they didn't bustercall her island after wat she did.
@Sea:
Actually I think Zephos was right about it in the last chapter thread.
I figured the specific action would be unpredictable, but thought whatever Luffy did to make the news would serve the purpose of sending a message to the crew while at the same time being 'big news' to the rest of the world. Sort of obvious in hindsight though. Jerk's suggestion was decent, but it was his overall point that was right on the money; that being it would be a message to the crew.
@Sea:
I don't think so. Smoker wants position. He is serious about his job, unlike Garp, who seem to just enjoy having fun and fighting. Power and authority is necessary to Smoker.
No, Smoker is very much Garp 2.0 in that aspect. He only sought out higher position so he could keep chasing Luffy in to the New World. Just like Garp, who turned down the Admiral position multiple times, he would want to be high enough to move around however he wants. Vice Admiral would likely be ideal, in that regard.
@Zik:
Plot device character will arrive that'll have an excuse about being in the NW for why he wasn't at the war and will be promptly promoted to admiral if Sengoku vacates and some admiral actually gets the job.
There's no need for a 'plot device character' at all, since Oda has been building up all the Vice Admirals for a while. Even this chapter sets them apart from other Marines by stating that Ambition is a power all Vice Admirals and above use. I'm sure we will be seeing more of them, especially since there are a fair amount of them and the Marines are concerned with the ongoings in the New World.
Well he was talking about the crew seeing the newspaper, so he must have been talking about them.
Zoro is the obvious one, so I figured the second member would be Brook.
No I just wanted to point out that…
Take it to PM or another more appropriate thread. Nothing in your post is about this chapter or even One Piece at all.
@Guybrush:
http://read.mangashare.com/One-Piece/chapter-594/page006.html
even the nurses wear the "Justice" kanji on their backs? or is it another kanji?
Doctor to the left: Harmony - could be within self, with others, with the environment etc.
Doctor in the middle: I have no idea what that one says… help please
Nurse: Encompassing Love - could mean compassion and care towards all.
Oda is a on a kanji shirt spree.
yea, but Smoker is after Luffy. Why wouldn't he mention Honcock. She declared to not helping them in the war too. She was basically fighting Marines. The other warlords actually helped. Seems pretty weird they still trust her. I am surprise they didn't bustercall her island after wat she did.
Well the marines probably overlooked it since she did help out in the war although she did attack, it seems both marines and some enemies.. And They're also busy rebuilding and reorganizing themselves and probably dont have the time or man-power to do it and it isn't that important compared to other troubles.
"To secure peace is to prepare for war."
Oda has a twisted sense of humor. If you read the first pages with the five elderly stars,
you can see the implication; to become a 'Warlord of the Sea', Blackbeard needed to take down Luffy. Likewise, if Luffy takes
down Blackbeard and his crew, then he will be considered a youkou.
What is with that doctor sucking on that fish bone? Anyway, I'm not really interested
in Coby right now. He's 200 chapters too early to be important at this stage.
Franky says "forsooth" and Robin says "Roger"? Are these just bad translations? I doubt
Franky would say that, and is Robin interfering the bells in regards to Gol D. Roger? If so,
then the clue to understanding the bells is in the conversation that Releigh had with the Strawhat crew….
"Now is my way clear, now is the meaning plain: Temptation shall not come in this kind again. The last temptation is the greatest treason: To do the right deed for the wrong reason." -Murder in the Cathedral
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Robin saying roger (notice lowercase) is like aye aye. Just a statement of affirmation about Luffy's message.
Oda has a twisted sense of humor. If you read the first pages with the five elderly stars,
you can see the implication; to become a 'Warlord of the Sea', Blackbeard needed to take down Luffy. Likewise, if Luffy takes
down Blackbeard and his crew, then he will be considered a youkou.What is with that doctor sucking on that fish bone? Anyway, I'm not really interested
in Coby right now. He's 200 chapters too early to be important at this stage.Franky says "forsooth" and Robin says "Roger"? Are these just bad translations? I doubt
Franky would say that, and is Robin interfering the bells in regards to Gol D. Roger? If so,
then the clue to understanding the bells is in the conversation that Releigh had with the Strawhat crew….
Think that forsooth is suppose to be a forsure? and robins roger is like Roger that.. you know what people say over walky talkies. Thats what i think anyhoot
"To secure peace is to prepare for war."
@Guybrush:
http://read.mangashare.com/One-Piece/chapter-594/page006.html
even the nurses wear the "Justice" kanji on their backs? or is it another kanji?
No, the nurse's letters read "Compassion (or philanthropy)" (博愛).
One of the doctors in the back says "Too late" (手遅れ) though lol
And another one towards the front, his say "Spirit" (気合)
The first three pages alone contain more material than the average Bleach chapter.
You mean, volume.
There's no need for a 'plot device character' at all, since Oda has been building up all the Vice Admirals for a while. Even this chapter sets them apart from other Marines by stating that Ambition is a power all Vice Admirals and above use. I'm sure we will be seeing more of them, especially since there are a fair amount of them and the Marines are concerned with the ongoings in the New World.
Meh. The VAs all disappoint except for Garp and he has emotional ties with criminals. I'm not seeing the build up Oda has been doing for all of them either other than the recent haki revelation which I wouldn't be surprised they aren't that adept at. Besides that it(haki) isn't that much of a divider anymore; A whole nation of nameless/faceless fodder amazons use it, it's long lost it's exclusivity and depending on what it entails it doesn't automatically put you on an unreachable tier compared to who actually matters as we head to the NW. The only allure left with haki is a full explanation on how it works and it's limits.
Yeah we can see more of them in the NW but as an admiral? I think not. I'd be shocked if the likes of Strawberry or Onigumo become one, specifically replacing Aokiji who's suppose to be the strongest admiral.
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Think that forsooth is suppose to be a forsure? and robins roger is like Roger that.. you know what people say over walky talkies. Thats what i think anyhoot
Web definitions
Forsooth.
-an archaic word originally meaning `in truth' but now usually used to express disbelief
http://wordnetweb.princeton.edu/perl/webwn?s=forsooth
-indeed, truthfully, really
http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/forsooth
@Zik:
Meh. The VAs all disappoint except for Garp and he has emotional ties with criminals. I'm not seeing the build up Oda has been doing for all of them.
Built up, as in they have been featured and revered multiple times without having major screen time. Enies Lobby, then Amazon Lily, then Impel Down, and then the War. The War in particular, while not particularly impressive, put them in a good light. They all (I think?) came out out of the war without injury, and Momonga and the Zoan guy used rokushiki against Luffy. Opinion about their design or screentime aside, they have more potential for future involvement than any other Marines outside of the current Admirals.
@Zik:
I'd be shocked if the likes of Strawberry or Onigumo become one, specifically replacing Aokiji who's suppose to be the strongest admiral.
You still believe this? Someone just linked you to a post that clears this incorrect interpretation up earlier today. (Or was it yesterday?)
What I like about this chapter is, that haki will be activated with long year training and all VA-class marines have.
And the SHs are training now… I expect at least Sanji, Zoro and of course Luffy learning it. Franky maybe as well but perhaps don't now
One of the doctors in the back says "Too late" (手遅れ) though lol
Thanks for the trans! I got a chuckle out of that.
Wonder if he is a doctor or the resident mortician/forensics unit. Wouldn't want the guy wavering around my sickbed with a shirt like that.
Was it only me, or did anyone else find Kid's treatment of those unfortunate pirates quite gruesome and disturbing? Even moreso becasue Oda hasn't shown us what Kid's morality line is. On one hand he was distainful of the slave trade hyprocrasy, on the other hand the implication is that he maimed anyone who had offended him. That anyone can cover a pretty big range, from agressive drunken pirates to a little kid who doesn't know better.
Granted it is a manga, and Kid is supposed to be the sadistic one out of the SNs, but still…
Also Luffy will have to figure out a way to get around all those sharp metal bits if/when the fight with Kid comes up. I look forward to that battle already.
Well that was a good chapter. Finally we get to see what the fuss over the news paper was about, My guess is the reason why luffy rung the bell 16 times was to let his crewmates know that 1. he was still alive well and kicking and 2. they'll recoup in 16 months. Seeing both Garp and Sen Goku back down from there positions was rather shocking. I thought the little bit about coby was interesting and who would thought that the iritating little bastard from the begining would get this much attention. Seeing the 5 elders again after such a long time was refreshing I actually forgot they existed. I like that we got to see what the other Nova's had been up to. Did anyone laugh at frankys face? I thought that was hilarious.
Well that's my quick mess of thought on this chapter.
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Built up, as in they have been featured and revered multiple times without having major screen time.
Oh. Well that really hasn't been conveyed well in the story. I haven't seen anyone fear an vice admiral other than Garp.
Although I was among the group that thought Luffy wouldn't do shit to anybody big in the war and turned out to be right.
Enies Lobby, then Amazon Lily, then Impel Down, and then the War. The War in particular, while not particularly impressive, put them in a good light. They all (I think?) came out out of the war without injury, and Momonga and the Zoan guy used rokushiki against Luffy. Opinion about their design or screentime aside, they have more potential for future involvement than any other Marines outside of the current Admirals.
Well I'm guessing this depends mostly on the war since they didn't do anything of importance in EL or ID and Momonga talked and acted tough but was quite helpless in AL.
Yeah I guess they were put in a good light but not many did anything of mention except get pwned (John Giant). Sure they have potential seeing as they lack the necessary screen time as opposed to when they do get it they're either talking tough, looking weak, being manly in defeated situations, etc. but I'd say Coby and Helemppo have more potential than both of them and Smoker has more than all of them. Most of the VAs just seem like slightly higher tier marines that order around the fodder marines, provide info, and do the minimal things within the story. Oda had to make them do something in the war or they'd lose any value in the reader's eyes. I doubt they'll ever get definitive moments in a one on one fight like Hannybal did in ID but even if one of them did it wouldn't change the general impression the current VAs display.
But I just don't see any of the current ones getting the admiral nod. I'd put more stock in a young rookie genius marine rising up the ranks than them fulfilling their potential.
You still believe this? Someone just linked you to a post that clears this incorrect interpretation earlier today. (Or was it yesterday?)
I do not recall this. Link to this event? or link to where this interpretation/translation is cleared up?
Also I'm not sure what you mean by "still believe this" since I've never expressed my belief in that translation or mistranslation prior or argued it except for when it initially was brought up. In fact when it was first brought up I was against the idea that Aokiji was the strongest and thought the translation said he was one of the strongest. I forget who's trans made me just accept it and move on. So I don't know if you're confusing with me someone else altogether.
EDIT
Oh I see it now. I haven't been back in that marine thread until now. Either way with that sentence redacted, I don't see any current VA filling the spot of one of the strongest admirals.
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Damn that one panel of Franky is killing me
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I think that discussion went over boards and you're now mixing the real life with Odas fiction world.
In the one piece world there is only one big government. What they dictate is the law. From their point of view pirates are evil and seriously if you think about it one of those mid tier pirate is enough to doom a lot of villages and kill a lot of people. The marines fight pirates with all their might. Some like akainu are just that krass. They argue that the loss of a few civilians is ok as long as they take out even one pirate. Because that one pirate is going to threaten a lot more…Now discussing that kind of behaviour in our world with our standards and society rules is an entire different thing.
Pretty much
Although I admit I am to blame for bringing the discussion there, derp
Frank's Looney Tunes-esque blown up face is the best one panel shot I've seen in a long while
Am I the only one who thinks that Akainu is going to be major pissed at Sengokus decision that Aokiji should be the next fleet admiral? Either he is going to go against (or maybe kill) Sengoku or Aokiji and makes it look like an accident - my opinion
I believe that the essential "key" Rayleigh was talking about is Luffy's prayer. Luffy has never prayed in the manga so it is the thing which is unlike him. And the explaination of Killer about the bell for eight rings to thank for the old year and another eight to pray for the new one was right. He rang the bell twice for each nakama meaning that they should meet on New Year to sail once again. That would explain why Killer couldn't believe that it was supposed to mean to greet a new year. In this way this would be a great trick of Rayleigh to let the others understand the message without blowing up the cover. And the reason why I believe that this is right is that Zoro was the only one who couldn't understand. In the whole crew there are two "Morons" who I can think of to don't know such rituals - Luffy & Zoro! Luffy got the explaination for the plan from Rayleigh and Zoro who is an Atheist and don't know of rituals as this is clueless.
All in all my theory is that they will meet on New Year again!
@Best:
Am I the only one who thinks that Akainu is going to be major pissed at Sengokus decision that Aokiji should be the next fleet admiral? Either he is going to go against (or maybe kill) Sengoku or Aokiji and makes it look like an accident - my opinion
LOL NO. Akainu is not going to kill Sengoku by accident. There's no reason for him to know that Sengoku recommended Aokiji anyway or any inclination in the story that Akainu is the type of hard ass who is just doing it to get to the top and wanted Sengoku's title.
Akainu's dream is absolute justice, nothing more. Demote him to ensign he'll still be loving it. Kick him out and he'd probably perform hari kari.
@Patta:
He rang the bell twice for each nakama meaning that they should meet on New Year to sail once again.
I'm with you on the general idea of what you think the message is but I'm not getting the sense of this.
I can understand ringing the bell once might have meant meet on New years but why does ringing it twice for each nakama mean that?
Zik Of The 7 Swords: Vision? What do you know about my vision? My vision would turn your world upside down, tear asunder your illusions, and send the sanctuary of your own ignorance crashing down around you. Now ask yourself, Are you ready to see that vision?
I'm with you on the general idea of what you think the message is but I'm not getting the sense of this.
I can understand ringing the bell once might have meant meet on New years but why does ringing it twice for each nakama mean that?
So that each nakama thank the old year for all what have been and end it peacefully without any haste and pray for luck in the new one.
Well do you know what's interesting as well…
The Gorosei that the only pirates which are able to stop BB are the Yonkou's and maybe Marco...
But no word of any of the Shichibukai and even Mihawk
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Well do you know what's interesting as well…
The Gorosei that the only pirates which are able to stop BB are the Yonkou's and maybe Marco...
But no word of any of the Shichibukai and even Mihawk
Why you think only Croc had the balls to attempt to attack WB?(Last ditch effort to make his rep bigger) and none of the other shichi attacked him? Namely Doflamingo.
The shichibukai aint about that life. They chilling in paradise pwning fodder pirates living the good life. None of them want it with the quake DF and have little to no knowledge on the darkness DF.
The 3 new guys will probably be the real daring and fearsome ones.
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@Zik:
Why you think only Croc had the balls to attempt to attack WB?(Last ditch effort to make his rep bigger) and none of the other shichi attacked him? Namely Doflamingo.
The shichibukai aint about that life. They chilling in paradise pwning fodder pirates living the good life. None of them want it with the quake DF and have little to no knowledge on the darkness DF.
The 3 new guys will probably be the real daring and fearsome ones.
But even Mihawk isn't named xD
Now the people will come up with the endless discussion Shanks >>>> Mihawk or not
@Zik:
Oh. Well that really hasn't been conveyed well in the story. I haven't seen anyone fear an vice admiral other than Garp.
Oda doesn't waste named characters often, especially ones who have had numerous appearances and haven't played much of a role, but I won't argue with you about your opinion of their portrayal in the story, so I'll just clarify that 'feature and revere' was referring to moments like [[URL="http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/420/18-19/"]this] and [[URL="http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/553/10-11/"]this], among others, and leave it at that.
@Zik:
Although I was among the group that thought Luffy wouldn't do shit to anybody big in the war and turned out to be right.
Heh, as a technicality no you weren't because he did exactly that.
@Zik:
I'd say Coby and Helemppo have more potential than both of them and Smoker has more than all of them.
I was thinking more about people who hadn't played much of a role or had major screen time, unlike the three of them. Anyway, I was referring more to New World potential than future Admiral potential; I'm not even sure an Admiral slot needs to be filled immediately, since it could be filled eventually by someone like Smoker or Coby. That said, I'm not suggesting all of them will be in the New World, I'm only saying we have a sufficient cast full of potential that Oda could use, and in that regard I suppose we can include Coby, Helmeppo, and Smoker.
And guys do you know what's funny… Ace died cuz he hasn't trained well in his life... All of the VA class marines were able to use haki but somehow Ace not, even if he had kings haki^^
The message:
luffy + jinbei + rayleigh + 16 bell ring = …..
Luffy : " I am now with rayleigh... and he's already finished the coating job for our Sunny. And here by my side also Jinbei who can lead us the way to fish Island to continue our journey. To all my friendss, lets meet at Shabondy Achipelago at groove number 16. Rayleigh's vivre card wil lead you all together."
The reason luffy doing this at Marine HQ is to attract media and use them to spread his message to entire world, where his crews probably at.
Oda doesn't waste named characters often, especially ones who have had numerous appearances and haven't played much of a role, but I won't argue with you about your opinion of their portrayal in the story, so I'll just clarify that 'feature and revere' was referring to moments like [[URL="http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/420/18-19/"]this] and [[URL="http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/553/10-11/"]this], among others, and leave it at that.
Revere them for being in a group, not as individuals all they do is oversee the destruction of the target in BC and maintain it until it's done in one link and in the other they end up facing off against a couple NW captains that are just above fodder for NW standards hence them also being in a group.
I never argued against Oda featuring them in the manga or making note of them as some force in the hierarchy of marines. That's undeniable but that doesn't make any one of them suitable for title of admiral.
Heh, as a technicality no you weren't because he did exactly that.
Is that a giant or one of those in-war introduced VAs? If it's a giant doesn't count cuz all giants are fodder and if that's one of those new VAs okay, a technicality. Hope you didn't think I meant big in the literal sense.
I was thinking more about people who hadn't played much of a role or had major screen time, unlike the three of them. Anyway, I was referring more to New World potential than future Admiral potential; I'm not even sure an Admiral slot needs to be filled immediately, since it could be filled eventually by someone like Smoker or Coby. That said, I'm not suggesting all of them will be in the New World, I'm only saying we have a sufficient cast full of potential that Oda could use, and in that regard I suppose we can include Coby, Helmeppo, and Smoker.
Well if by immediately you mean not by next chap (if Aokiji gets the job) sure maybe not even by the next arc or two but I'd say sooner than end of the manga or Coby gets the job later.
Yeah Oda could use some of them in the NW but I don't see them as much of a threat or big obstacle. They'll just be doing more of the same; a small impediment. For importance and threat level he could just make a new character to fill the role. I just see someone surpassing them in a better light than one of them stepping up to the plate and giving it a go.
Zik Of The 7 Swords: Vision? What do you know about my vision? My vision would turn your world upside down, tear asunder your illusions, and send the sanctuary of your own ignorance crashing down around you. Now ask yourself, Are you ready to see that vision?
Wow! I can't believe that a lot of people are arguing about haki/mantra. For me it was always clear that mantra is haki. It is the same thing in another language. Simple as that.
The message:
luffy + jinbei + rayleigh + 16 bell ring = …..
Luffy : " I am now with rayleigh... and he's already finished the coating job for our Sunny. And here by my side also Jinbei who can lead us the way to fish Island to continue our journey. To all my friendss, lets meet at Shabondy Achipelago at groove number 16. Rayleigh's vivre card wil lead you all together."
The reason luffy doing this at Marine HQ is to attract media and use them to spread his message to entire world, where his crews probably at.
No. Nami said he doesn't care about their feeling, which mean the message said he doesn't want to meet them right now, but in the new year.
He wouldn't need to tell them to go to grove 16 if they all have vivre cards anyway. Hell they all know the lawless and marines zones so they know where to go and where to avoid. Plus they've all been to Shakky's house.
Zoro's the only liability.
On another note it'd be funny if Ray's plan isn't that original and Roger did it before and somebody like Sengoku, Garp or even Kong figure it out and attack.
Zik Of The 7 Swords: Vision? What do you know about my vision? My vision would turn your world upside down, tear asunder your illusions, and send the sanctuary of your own ignorance crashing down around you. Now ask yourself, Are you ready to see that vision?
So why didn't luffy go and save bonchan? He has time to ring bells and send secret messages, but not go 30min to the other side and visit impel down?
I really don't see a two year time skip upcoming, especially considering the strawhats got through east blue/grand line in less than a year. Sabody Archipelago 2nd Yarukiman(the trees with numbers on them, in case you forgot what they're called) seems much more likely.
Also, the five elder stars have octograms all over their room, decoration or relevance?
the thing that sucked up Capone could be a giant octopus?
Smoker/Luffy rematch is pretty much confirmed
and as for lightning island, I highly doubt it's enel, considering that if he's putting out that much lightning, whoever he was fighting is dead or he'd simply escape because he can't beat them, also people are already taking advantage of it so it has to have been going on for some time. Also, Enel has no reason at all to return to earth, he's on "fairy vearth" and hates all the water on earth, which there's none of on the moon.
@Zik:
On another note it'd be funny if Ray's plan isn't that original and Roger did it before and somebody like Sengoku, Garp or even Kong figure it out and attack.
Ray is not stupid enough to do the same sort trick again in front of old enemies, I think.
Plus, I think this incident is unprecedented. Such kind of breath-taking incident won't be only known to Garp and Sengoku.
Nevermind, just a funny theory anyway.
So why didn't luffy go and save bonchan? He has time to ring bells and send secret messages, but not go 30min to the other side and visit impel down?
How can he know Bon is alive? Plus, doing so would attract more Marines attack. And investigation.
It's very very funny that you mention all those horrible places where these in-humane acts took place and communist states were created and people suffer etc etc while just glossing over the history of the US. Ignoring that the US military gunned down civilians who were protesting Vietnam. Ignoring that the US interned thousands of Japanese during WWII. Ignoring McCarthyism. Ignoring that the US lied to the American people and spread false propaganda to gain support for the war in Iraq….
Seems like the US, arguably the most successful democracy in history, has done its share of propaganda and political imprisonment. Seems like we killed a few of the people we were supposed to protect in the name of order for the state. You plead about human rights this and Civil rights that. How such violations can never have good outcomes. How they all result in terrible nations with dictators like Stalin but thats not true.
Sometimes fascism is used to maintain order even in democracies. It doesn't result in a police state. It doesn't result in chaos. Sometimes its needed simply for a short period of time to maintain order. Is this right? That's your opinion but your hippy liberal ideology doesn't match up with what actually takes place in the real world....
Facism isn't used to maintain the peace but to enforce tyranical rule. Those in power of the united states are big business and oil companies and they have done everything in their power to keep captialism flowing in the united states to maintain their life style.
Communism the concept isn't bad for society but bad for those who rule through money. Sadly even communism is subject to tyranny.
The only real solution is an educated public in a real democracy. Not this constitutional republic we are living by govern by laws and courts.
Take it back to the old school where the people in the immediate area can determine the crime, culprit, and punishment. A true jury of their peers. And allow those present determine the best course of action.
But again. This would require education. The current populous are unchangeable wired to be able to do anything –- since they grow up in the imagery lines dictating boarders and ethnicity. And then further taught how to view these "other people" and how to treat them.
From an outside perspective you could argue that all the good things and bad things balance out and it comes down to luck where people fall into it. But I don't think thats good enough.
But back to the topic of OP.
My guess on the secret message is the rings symbolize the time and the armband symbolizes the place.
So probably Sunny at the beginning of the new year.