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Can't wait to see Shirahoshi's flashback… Sitting in the tower for 10 years will be the most epic flashback... But maybe she has gotten fighting skills to fight San Juan later on... But poor FI... The princess of the king is going with one of the most wanted man in the world to pis of the marines and WG.
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WTF? El Dorado?El Dorado and Flying Dutchman aren't created by Disney but by myth... Dysney just made a movie from that... Seriously...
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@Zik:
I disagree. That part dealt specifically with the new era of children that were not born in that hatred. Jinbe's obviously (even in that flashback) part of that old era despite the fact that it's mentioned how much he's changed and what we know of him now.
I really doubt anything in this flashback will stand out to say Jinbe is NN or that he has a reason to be a SH.
You already heard Fisher Tiger, only those who don't know anything about the next era can put an end to the conflict between humans and fishmen. Jinbe is part of the old era, end of story.
Well I think he was talking about the new era "humans" , and oh what's Luffy again? .. Oh yeah a pirate of the new era.
So in my mind it's clear he'll be convinced by what's gonna happen that Luffy and gang are the keys to change the mentalities.Also untill now (and I don't think it'll come) we weren't introduced to some great fish-/mer-men potential, so if someon joins this arc it won't be anyone but Jinbe. me thinks.
Seeking infinity, with all my affinities.
Finding truth, like a falling fruit, my ultimate finality.
Inside my being, the outside, all things; the finite leads the way.
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Whatever, guys, I'm leaving from the discussion.
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I'm seriously afraid that Disney will go against Oda and he will be arrested forever cuz of his story stealing
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Whatever, guys, I'm leaving from the discussion.
Really, I come in, read the last page and your ludicrous Disney theory, and then next post I see is you backing out? At least AGOG defended his baselessness against however many thousands of posts were thrown at it. I mean, you had to expect more than one person would be arguing against you when you came in and threw a pebble of negative evidence against the mountain of positive evidence Jinbe has for joining.
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Well I think he was talking about the new era "humans" , and oh what's Luffy again? .. Oh yeah a pirate of the new era.
So in my mind it's clear he'll be convinced by what's gonna happen that Luffy and gang are the keys to change the mentalities.Also untill now (and I don't think it'll come) we weren't introduced to some great fish-/mer-men potential, so if someon joins this arc it won't be anyone but Jinbe. me thinks.
I thought it was more than obvious Luffy is the golden boy chosen to do these things when those little generic prophetic like statements are made. I think it'd make even less sense if that person ended up not being Luffy and just someone that was in his crew.
In the end Luffy will get the credit, not Jinbe.
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Yes of course, but I was referring to those who said that because of Tiger's statement Jinbe was ruled out as Strawhat because he's an old-ager, when Tiger's statement was referring to humans not fishmen.
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@Zik:
He had his hands on the wheel of a ship that was sailing through a path that had only one destination, a path that literally had no wind to make steering a ship difficult. A character with hooks for hands could've done that. If that makes someone a capable helmsman then who isn't?
I'm not really on board with the whole helmsman thing, but to be fair, he did pilot that battleship to the top of a tsunami successfully.
And this is probably more of a Wiper like flashback than a personal one for Jinbe.
Wiper didn't even take part in his beyond him listening to a story.
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@Zik:
He had his hands on the wheel of a ship that was sailing through a path that had only one destination, a path that literally had no wind to make steering a ship difficult. A character with hooks for hands could've done that. If that makes someone a capable helmsman then who isn't?
And this is probably more of a Wiper like flashback than a personal one for Jinbe.
ha yea no kidding, i actally laugh whenever i see someone bring up jimbei's awesome helmsmen skills. its like REALLY?
but i do feel from this flashback that a fishman/woman, mermaid/man will join our crew. i don't know who, and if it will be jimbei or not, but it just seems like be a nice setting to have a fishman in teh crew. i mean it seemed like whitebeard is hte only other guy in the sereis that has a fishman in his crew. would make us seem less descriminatory, and would surprise the fishman and people in the series to see we have both humans and merfolk.
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ha yea no kidding, i actally laugh whenever i see someone bring up jimbei's awesome helmsmen skills. its like REALLY?
Does it really surprise you that much that someone might find piloting a ship to the top of a tsunami impressive? I swear I just said this three posts ago.
It's like saying "Nami's not a special navigator, all she does to find an island is follow the needle" then plugging your ears to everything else.
I'm not even saying this the case, but I fail to see why the idea of him being a good helmsman is so bad that it's funny.
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Does it really surprise you that much that someone might find piloting a ship to the top of a tsunami impressive? I swear I just said this three posts ago.
It's like saying "Nami's not a special navigator, all she does to find an island is follow the needle" then plugging your ears to everything else.
I'm not even saying this the case, but I fail to see why the idea of him being a good helmsman is so bad that it's funny.
are taking anime now into consideration?
i woudl like you to go back and read the pages where they show how they got up on top of the huge wave. they are all surpised and going "wtf how are we up here, and so on" they did NOT have some epic steering done by jimbei that the anime may have shown
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are taking anime now into consideration?
No, that's not my intention. If that were the case then I WOULD be supporting the theory.
i woudl like you to go back and read the pages where they show how they got up on top of the huge wave. they are all surpised and going "wtf how are we up here, and so on" they did NOT have some epic steering done by jimbei that the anime may have shown
Yeah, I'm not trying to be a huge supporter of this theory as I said. I know it's feeble and the evidence is weak, but it's still not laughable just because it surprised Buggy and crew.
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No, that's not my intention. If that were the case then I WOULD be supporting the theory.
Yeah, I'm not trying to be a huge supporter of this theory as I said. I know it's feeble and the evidence is weak, but it's still not laughable just because it surprised Buggy and crew.
ok, well in the defense of the strawhats, recal back to before we arrived at the red line the second time. remember those scenes of those dragon twisting water things and waht not else that we have always managed to go through without trouble.
i just can't for hte life of me see any moment that has hinted at all that we would need a better helmsmen. and in same sense there has been no hint at all towards jimbei being a good helmsmen. hell in this flashback has he once been in charge of steering the ship?
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ok, well in the defense of the strawhats, recal back to before we arrived at the red line the second time. remember those scenes of those dragon twisting water things and waht not else that we have always managed to go through without trouble.
Yeah, that was another single panel thing that was turned into weird anime filler. Much like the tsunami, there simply weren't enough panels to take much out of it.
i just can't for hte life of me see any moment that has hinted at all that we would need a better helmsmen. and in same sense there has been no hint at all towards jimbei being a good helmsmen. hell in this flashback has he once been in charge of steering the ship?
Well, I certainly can't argue that a need has been established, since it hasn't like the threat of drowning has. Either way, this stuff is in the wrong thread and it's my fault for perpetuating it. As for the flashback, I don't think we ever even saw that ship's helm before it was blown up.
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Yeah, that was another single panel thing that was turned into weird anime filler. Much like the tsunami, there simply weren't enough panels to take much out of it.
Well, I certainly can't argue that a need has been established, since it hasn't like the threat of drowning has. Either way, this stuff is in the wrong thread and it's my fault for perpetuating it. As for the flashback, I don't think we ever even saw that ship's helm before it was blown up.
from looks of it, it don't seem like fishman give a rats ass about ships really. i mean why woudl they when things get rough they can just escape to the water and then steal a new ship?
while its obvoius that is not true for all fishman (frankie's dad, or TOM i mean) its hard to imagine a fishman caring for something like a boat when its so POINTLESS to them. and someone who doesn't care about something doesn't sound like a good person in charge of steering it.
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from looks of it, it don't seem like fishman give a rats ass about ships really. i mean why woudl they when things get rough they can just escape to the water and then steal a new ship?
while its obvoius that is not true for all fishman (frankie's dad, or TOM i mean) its hard to imagine a fishman caring for something like a boat when its so POINTLESS to them. and someone who doesn't care about something doesn't sound like a good person in charge of steering it.
That's like saying a human shouldn't give a rat's ass about their car because they can walk and breathe at the same time.
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I'm going to just ignore the pilot a ship on a tsunami stuff. At the end of the day if Oda wanted to actually foreshadow such a thing he'd do a much better job of hinting at it. You'd think it'd be shown in this flashback in a panel at the least. There aren't even little blurbs mentioned in passing of Jinbe being an exceptional helmsman yet Oda did mention a lot of things about him since i.e. being in fishman island's army.
As for the flashback's similarity to Wiper's I'm just comparing it from the standpoint that both dealt with each character's history. Yeah Jinbe was active in his but he isn't the focus. Besides it's not like I brought it up but I can understand why the comparison was made.
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That's like saying a human shouldn't give a rat's ass about their car because they can walk and breathe at the same time.
Fishman swim much faster than humans walk. If I could run as fast as a car with the stamina of a fishman you could bet your ass I'd get rid of my car as well.
"You were the leaves basking in the sun, and I was the root growing in the darkness"
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@i:
Fishman swim much faster than humans walk. If I could run as fast as a car with the stamina of a fishman you could bet your ass I'd get rid of my car as well.
Still doesn't work that way. A ship is a home especially for pirates. You need a place to hold your belongings, you need a place to rest. And even if you could run like Sonic the Hedgehog, how would you pick groceries in bulk? Take your friends with you on trips?
Fishmen are better off in the water than humans, but they need a stable home with sunlight as well. A ship is necessary.
Folks who read One Piece… Just better people. ¯\(ツ)/¯
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Fishmen are better off in the water than humans, but they need a stable home with sunlight as well. A ship is necessary.
There are plenty of fishmen out there who are doing just fine without a ship, in fact 90% of the fishmen that do have ships are pirates anyway. I do agree with your points on supplies and companions though. I was talking more about a fishman's ability to swim from island to island, location to location at high speeds without the use of a ship.
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You know, with the last chapter, I got a funny feeling that the Strawhats are gonna meet Koala… and perhaps...?
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@i:
Fishman swim much faster than humans walk. If I could run as fast as a car with the stamina of a fishman you could bet your ass I'd get rid of my car as well.
No you wouldn't, because eventually you would need to stop and rest, and you would be exposed to the elements. In the case of fishmen, not only are they exposed to the cold and the heat, they're also exposed to un-navigational currents, sudden weather changes, enormous sea monsters, slavers and pirates, and other dangers of the Grand Line.
There's a reason why FI is where it is and why it's vital to seafolk. They can't just live anywhere on the ocean.
You know, with the last chapter, I got a funny feeling that the Strawhats are gonna meet Koala… and perhaps...?
No.
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I have to say something… Even if this thread was shit back then and sometimes it is still shit over here... I'm glad that peoplea ren't talking about Koala or Shirahoshi joining here. Thank you AP
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Koala and Shirahoshi will join.
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I dont think Shirahoshi will join. She'll probably end up taking the throne and continue what her mother wanted.
Jimbei would also be out, because if you look at the crew right now, they all have dreams they want to acheive, all of which are probably only possible after they get to the end of the Grand Line. The crew will probably recruit a crew member with that kind of dream.
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without a doubt one of the worst posts ever or the worst attempt to be funny, I can't really decide. If you haven't got anything to say, it's better to just shut up.
Anyway, Hachi or someone said that fishmen and merfolk separated themselves from fish 200 years ago. I like to look at this a bit Darwin-esque, I mean, humans used to roam all over the place going from cave to cave while hunting until they discovered that the could grow plants in one location and keep live stock for food without ever having the need to relocate. In my opinion, this is what might have happened to the fishmen and merfolk as well so it is not that they need a place to live or a home or whatever, because they could just wander around but they just underwent evolution.
Yes, a post saying Koala and Shirahoshi will join, right after a post thanking the forum for not suggesting those two. I wonder if it's a joke or not, herp derp. If you're going to call a throwaway gag post one of the worst posts ever, then by god do you need some perspective.
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a throwaway gag post one of the worst posts ever
I don't think you can even call it that. It's more like an epic failure [insert youtube video from guy kicking in his own face] kind of thing
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LOL so basically no one has Valid reasons why Jinbe can't be the NN so they've rested their hopes on Shirahoshi shrinking and Koala popping out from Hacchi's ass and hitting it off with Luffy and the crew in a matter of minute,OH and almost forgot the ever so popular around these threads the Flashback isn't centered around Jinbe.:blink:
"The Night Is Dark And Full Of Terror"
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LOL so basically no one has Valid reasons why Jinbe can't be the NN so they've rested their hopes on Shirahoshi shrinking and Koala popping out from Hacchi's ass and hitting it off with Luffy and the crew in a matter of minute,OH and almost forgot the ever so popular around these threads the Flashback isn't centered around Jinbe.:blink:
I have something that I am currently fact checking before I type it up.
But I feel that Jinbei will not, not because he is not material for the SH's - in fact I would really support him but I feel that Jinbei will be there to lead the FI population to the next era. Also to provide support to Luffy in a military sense after what happens at Raftel.Pell survived because he is a Falcon - Stop using him as a bad example.
The Peregrine Falcon reaches faster speeds than any other animal on the planet when performing the stoop,which involves soaring to a great height and then diving steeply at speeds of over 320 km/h (200 mph)
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I have something that I am currently fact checking before I type it up.
But I feel that Jinbei will not, not because he is not material for the SH's - in fact I would really support him but I feel that Jinbei will be there to lead the FI population to the next era. Also to provide support to Luffy in a military sense after what happens at Raftel.Why does Jinbe need to be there????
They have Neptune or Fukaboshi to lead that.
Thats what I never got about the "Jinbe needs to stay on FI argument" They have an entire Army and Big Mum is protecting them why would Oda write all of this in if Jinbe Has to be there.
"The Night Is Dark And Full Of Terror"
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You know, with the last chapter, I got a funny feeling that the Strawhats are gonna meet Koala… and perhaps...?
I have to say something… Even if this thread was shit back then and sometimes it is still shit over here... I'm glad that peoplea ren't talking about Koala or Shirahoshi joining here. Thank you AP
Koala and Shirahoshi will join.
without a doubt one of the worst posts ever or the worst attempt to be funny, I can't really decide. If you haven't got anything to say, it's better to just shut up.
Joke after joke after joke after joke. Let's joke!
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Why does Jinbe need to be there????
They have Neptune or Fukaboshi to lead that.
Thats what I never got about the "Jinbe needs to stay on FI argument" They have an entire Army and Big Mum is protecting them why would Oda write all of this in if Jinbe Has to be there.
I'm terribly sorry but It's 230am where I am and I am just not finding it.
Where in my un-edited post did I put the word NEED?
And why is it possibly he remains on FI? Who knows mate - it's whats called a theory or an idea. If I went spouting off why he NEEDS to or HAS to do anything and writting possibles maybes and gonna's thats called Fan Fiction.
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I have to say something… Even if this thread was shit back then and sometimes it is still shit over here... I'm glad that peoplea ren't talking about Koala or Shirahoshi joining here. Thank you AP
You must have missed those dozens of pages.
They both have been discussed. Shirahoshi at length.
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Anyway, Hachi or someone said that fishmen and merfolk separated themselves from fish 200 years ago. I like to look at this a bit Darwin-esque, I mean, humans used to roam all over the place going from cave to cave while hunting until they discovered that the could grow plants in one location and keep live stock for food without ever having the need to relocate. In my opinion, this is what might have happened to the fishmen and merfolk as well so it is not that they need a place to live or a home or whatever, because they could just wander around but they just underwent evolution.
Hachi wasn't referring to seafolk biologically separating themselves from fish. He was referring to them separating themselves from fish in the eyes of the law. Before they had no rights, and now they (theoretically) have the same rights humans do. Robin said so herself that 200 years ago was when the WG struck a deal with Fishman Island, and that Saobody was one of the few places where people still think seafolk as fish instead of people, or at least explicitly so.
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I have something that I am currently fact checking before I type it up.
But I feel that Jinbei will not, not because he is not material for the SH's - in fact I would really support him but I feel that Jinbei will be there to lead the FI population to the next era. Also to provide support to Luffy in a military sense after what happens at Raftel.This has come up lots of times and it always comes down to the same thing. Jinbe isn't even wanted hanging around the island because he's a wanted pirate. The idea of him being reinstated as a warlord doesn't make any sense, so I can't even see how his situation could possibly change enough to support him becoming a leader of civilians.
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The World Government thought Jinbe would be a great symbol of peace.
He wasn't.
And his being a shichibukai didn't even fix anything, since slavery rings and kidnapping were still going on, even when he held a warlord title.
Now he's a wanted criminal. Neither the military or Fishman Island want him.
He's got nowhere to go.
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Except back to his crew.
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This has come up lots of times and it always comes down to the same thing. Jinbe isn't even wanted hanging around the island because he's a wanted pirate. The idea of him being reinstated as a warlord doesn't make any sense, so I can't even see how his situation could possibly change enough to support him becoming a leader of civilians.
Yeah I get that - thats actually the biggest thorn in the side of my theory and how I want to present it.
The only option I could think of (and yes this is complete fanfic speculation) is that should he not join he will take over Hordi's gang - VDD's Group - and any remaining Pirates (Mer/Fishmen). Why? Simply to have them under his banner but realistically speaking I'm no author and thats a pretty bad fanfic idea.
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@Zik:
Except back to his crew.
Jinbe and Aladdin, BFF's.
Yeah I get that - thats actually the biggest thorn in the side of my theory and how I want to present it.
Well, as long as it's a thorn you need to figure out how to deal with it if you want to present a worthwhile theory. You can't just ignore it and expect to be taken seriously.
The only option I could think of (and yes this is complete fanfic speculation) is that should he not join he will take over Hordi's gang - VDD's Group - and any remaining Pirates (Mer/Fishmen). Why? Simply to have them under his banner but realistically speaking I'm no author and thats a pretty bad fanfic idea.
I suppose it's possible, though none of them are wanted, and Vander Decken is pushing himself beyond redemption. So, yeah, that and your own attitude about it leaves me unconvinced.
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@RobbyBevard:
Who we have never seen anywhere in his vicinity, mentioned by Jimbei, and judging from the flashback, most of whom went with Arlong and are now in jail or are part of the slave trade.
Whatever crew he had, it hasn't been his for a while.
Zeo and Keimi pretty heavily implied that Jinbe still had a functioning Sunny crew.
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Hahaha, I imagined Jinbe doing that "I still have my crew!" cry that Luffy did in front of him.
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Hahaha, I imagined Jinbe doing that "I still have my crew!" cry that Luffy did in front of him.
Awaiting incoming Photoshop
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Zeo and Keimi pretty heavily implied that Jinbe still had a functioning Sunny crew.
Of course, this could be a translation issue.They said the sun pirates all had to leave the island. They didn't say "Jimbei and his crew". Anyone with that brand, which would possibly include a whole mess of slaves who never did any actual pirating, and certainley includes Arlong (in prison) and Hachi (who was outside of the city hanging with Hodi.) Jimbei didn't even know Hachi was free! Had been free for two years!
Jimbei is sitting out and about all on his lonesome, waiting for the strawhats to arrive. Nobody is with him other than Tom's brother. Jimbei never mentioned his crew once during impel down, the war, or since. In the flashbacks, we're seeing almost entirely characters belonging to Arlong or Macro's crew.
Plus its pretty obvious there was a big split when Jimbei became a shichibukai. What exactly caused the split and the terms we'll find out soon, but I'd imagine it was conflict between him and Arlong, but it might have also been part of the shichi deal.
