Timeskip or birthday, the Strawhats will remain the Strawhats. And that's what really matters.
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"Luffy's Last Adventure As A 17 Year-Old"
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It does imply a drastic change though, at least on a certain level.
If Luffy is going to be exactly the same personality and/or appearance-wise, there would be no point in Oda even mentioning that the movie is Luffy last adventure as a 17 year old. Somehow, someway, Luffy IS going to be different from his current self.
It could easily be a joke. And with all the fans in a fight about it, it would be a pretty damn good one, too.
"Get serious people, because this shit will be HARDCORE!"
"What is it? Guns? Blood? Foul language?"
"More hardcore! It will be… a peach."
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"Get it? Peaches are soft, but the pits are hard!"
"I- we... that is so stupid that i- uh.... ya' got meh." -
Okay we have then ruled out TIMESKIP!
What do you mean? Unless Oda is deliberatly pulling a trick, everything points towards a timeskip. The crew is separated, some are even not in the grand line anymore and it should take them months to get back to Shabondy. Luffy is also going to get the mother of all breakdowns after this war.
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Personally i find the "17 years old Luffy in an aged body" idea TERRIBLE. Hopefully it's not something like this.
I'm happy I wasn't alone with thinking that.
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What do you mean? Unless Oda is deliberatly pulling a trick, everything points towards a timeskip. The crew is separated, some are even not in the grand line anymore and it should take them months to get back to Shabondy. Luffy is also going to get the mother of all breakdowns after this war.
Like it was mentioned earlier than it is only Luffy last time as 17 years old… nothing mentioning of the other crew mates... doesn't seems like they are going to change a lot.
Captain Karmine / Karmine the Mastermind
Bounty: 350.000.000
Crew : Karmine & A lot of barrels and boxes
Ship : Knarr/Ice Dragon
New bounty & Ship! Wandering around…
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Luffy dies… Oda has to stop the manga cause of some unseen things in his life.
I wouldn't mind Luffy dying if he takes out Sengoku with him... that would be badass and you would all hate it cause Sengoku is so much stronger..... But hey maybe he gets constant haki outbrust.. gear 2nd.. gear 2rd... the whole time in the battle...All that together would help in killing Luffy and kill anyone. Gear 2nd&3rd King's Haki Gattling Gun anyone?
are you mad
so instead of going on a long break like d.grayman was doing he'd rush the ending of a 10yr manga with such a silly ending with non of the dreams being fulfilled
i seriously hope you weren't being serious :getlost:
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Another reason why I doubt that we'll have a big (meaning more than a year) timeskip is Oda refered to only it only being Luffy's last adventure at his current age, not for the entire crew. So if the timeskip would be at least a year, wouldn't it be everyones last adventure at their current age?
This is the same reason I like the idea.
Oda's good at giving information that makes us think one thing, but pulls the story in a completely different direction.
It was about 6 years ago this time of year when he said a, "…crew member will die.", and look how that turned out.
The man knows how manga fans think and wants us to go in one direction but will probably show us completely different.
Now...I'm not counting out a skip. Because there are some members that could benefit from it, while others, the idea would just be miserable. Either way, I'm excited to see how he pulls whatever he's decided off.
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are you mad
so instead of going on a long break like d.grayman was doing he'd rush the ending of a 10yr manga with such a silly ending with non of the dreams being fulfilled
i seriously hope you weren't being serious :getlost:
dude he totally was, it's unmistakeable…:getlost:
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Like it was mentioned earlier than it is only Luffy last time as 17 years old… nothing mentioning of the other crew mates... doesn't seems like they are going to change a lot.
Did you really expect Oda to enumerate the age of every strawhat, or maybe even the age of every character in one piece? He probably just assumes we all have enough common sense to know that everyone ages at the same time.
Btw I also think it will be less than a year otherwise the world would change too much.
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Now…I'm not counting out a skip. Because there are some members that could benefit from it, while others, the idea would just be miserable. Either way, I'm excited to see how he pulls whatever he's decided off.
I'm not counting it out myself since a skip is pretty much inevitable. The question is only how long will it be. I don't see it being more then a couple of months. But I was wrong before so this wouldn't be the first time.^^
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I'm not counting it out myself since a skip is pretty much inevitable. The question is only how long will it be. I don't see it being more then a couple of months. But I was wrong before so this wouldn't be the first time.^^
It solely depends on what age Luffy actually is and how much longer he needs to age…
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are you mad
so instead of going on a long break like d.grayman was doing he'd rush the ending of a 10yr manga with such a silly ending with non of the dreams being fulfilled
i seriously hope you weren't being serious :getlost:
Still think about it for a second… all of suddenly in next Chapter Luffy goes berserk kills Sengoku and dies next to Whitebeard. Wouldn't that be awesomely funny until ya realized just how bad that ending was.
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If the movie really takes place after the current arc, where would it play out? The meeting place of the Strawhats will be Shabondy and from there, it's straight to FI. Perhaps that in itself is a clue to the solution.
The Strawhats decide that they're not ready for the New World and take a detour.
However, if the movie isn't canon, this theory can just be ignored.
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dude he totally was, it's unmistakeable…:getlost:
well reading his si yea it is unmistakeable
Still think about it for a second… all of suddenly in next Chapter Luffy goes berserk kills Sengoku and dies next to Whitebeard. Wouldn't that be awesomely funny until ya realized just how bad that ending was.
it wouldn't be funny reading i'd be like wtf
that kinda bullshit only happens in bleach
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it wouldn't be funny reading i'd be like wtf
that kinda bullshit only happens in bleach
I am not talking about that it would be funny as a real final chapter.
But funny as a joke chapter to tease.. like April Fool's day chapter… just in December.
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Luffy in a 27 yr old body is drastic but I don't see any drastic effect to the manga other than the jokes suggested in this thread already. At the most it'd just be something for the fans to get use to.
I hope for a short time skip but there's nothing drastic about that either or a regular time skip that Oda's always been doing arc to arc. Only thing that would be a drastic is a year+ time skip where noticeable/major events occurred while Luffy was out of commission.
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this is getting to be confusing now
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I thought about what Oda said for a long while and started thinking there's at least 3 different possibilities
1 - After the war is over Luffy needs to get rest because of Ivankov Hormones making effect and ends up aging faster them normal (is mentality also evolved thanks to what he saw during the war)
2 - Garp saves Luffy and takes him to some Island no one knows about and trains Luffy for at least 3 years
3 - Time skip and all the crew reunite at Shaobody and all of them have in someway become alot stronger
My favorite is of course number 1 but don't dislike number 2 or 3 either
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Every thing points to a TS. Luffy will be down for the count after the war. All the crew memebers are all over the world. Oda will have Luffy wake up and be blasted with crazy news on who is in jail and who won the war etc…. I don't really care about Luffy, but Zoro is another story. If Luffy passes out Zoro will pass him in power unless Oda comes up with some crap to why Zoro stops training.
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I wish Oda would have given us at least one character that had a birthday….
Does anyone remember a character who had a birthday in the manga (current time line)?
If we only had that information, we can compare months and see the length Luffy needs to age...
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I wish Oda would have given us at least one character that had a birthday….
Does anyone remember a character who had a birthday in the manga (current time line)?
If we only had that information, we can compare months and see the length Luffy needs to age...
The fans gave the SHs bdays in the SBS. Oda allowed them to be official although SBS aren't serious.
Later on in other SBS' he's even acknowledged a SHs bday when a fan brings it up. He's most likely not going to make their birth dates canon.
He may even skip over Luffy's bday if announcing he's 18 now is that important to him. for all we know that fact could end up being mentioned in the manga in passing.
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Luffy needs a mustache, so I'm all for it.
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Ever thought of a Luffy flashback? As opposed to the aging theory.
Though that doesn't explain the "last adventure" thing, does it… I'm really againt a timeskip or some effects of the vigour hormones on Luffy (have only read the first couple pages, you guys have propably come up with more ideas).
Wouldn't mind him simply turning 18, but, as mentioned before, that wouldn't be a reason for Oda to make a big deal out of it. Unless he's playing his fans for fools.
...Luffy birthday party would be awesome.Edit: And didn't Oda say in an SBS that, no matter how long the adventure went on, Luffy would never get older and always stay 17?
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Edit: And didn't Oda say in an SBS that, no matter how long the adventure went on, Luffy would never get older and always stay 17?
He also said early on that people will never fly, because then they wouldn't need ships. A decade later he introduces a character whose Devil Fruit is explicitly flight.
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@AdmiralYonkouMt.Bandit:
The fans gave the SHs bdays in the SBS. Oda allowed them to be official although SBS aren't serious.
Later on in other SBS' he's even acknowledged a SHs bday when a fan brings it up. He's most likely not going to make their birth dates canon.
He may even skip over Luffy's bday if announcing he's 18 now is that important to him. for all we know that fact could end up being mentioned in the manga in passing.
First off, you are wrong about every birthday being that way… He gave the first characters' birthdays on his own, pretty much... Later on, the fans started to submit ideas for character's birthday...
Second, I'm more focused on a known birthday being celebrated since then we can be able to follow a time line of events to figure out how far away we are from Luffy's birthday...
Solving this issue of Luffy's last adventure...
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If there's a time jump, I hope it's like two or three months max, with Luffy having completely healed up, and trained some with Whitebeard and his crew, getting a bit stonger in the process, departs with Jimbei, now with nothing to do and still grateful for helping out Whitebeard, Inazuma, on orders from Ivankov, who is now with Dragon, and Squardo, trying anything to redeem himself, on a modest boat from Whitebeard, armed with a Tone Dial they beat out of Kuma, recorded on the day before he became PX-0, telling of his past, his success of his mission for the Revolutionaries, and his hunch that he knows Luffy somehow got this, telling him that he did what he did at Sabody, on orders from Dragon, to get them stronger, and tells of their locations. And so, the next Arc begins…...
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He also said early on that people will never fly, because then they wouldn't need ships. A decade later he introduces a character whose Devil Fruit is explicitly flight.
You mean bird zoans? The thing is, that they are actually limited to a few persons. I think, he was rather talking about flying machines, such as planes or rockets (Enel's Arc doesn't count).
If you were talking about another character, please correct me.And - I think - the bit about Luffy not aging was stated later in the series (SBS of volume 25, I recall), and that statement was pretty clear. Why would Oda suddenly change his mind and go as far as contradict himself in a point that's really important?
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You mean bird zoans? The thing is, that they are actually limited to a few persons. I think, he was rather talking about flying machines, such as planes or rockets (Enel's Arc doesn't count).
If you were talking about another character, please correct me.He's talking about Shiki, I believe.
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He's talking about Shiki, I believe.
Oh, sorry. Not really interested in the movie(s), myself. Didn't know about it.
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You mean bird zoans? The thing is, that they are actually limited to a few persons. I think, he was rather talking about flying machines, such as planes or rockets (Enel's Arc doesn't count).
If you were talking about another character, please correct me.And - I think - the bit about Luffy not aging was stated later in the series (SBS of volume 25, I recall), and that statement was pretty clear. Why would Oda suddenly change his mind and go as far as contradict himself in a point that's really important?
One Piece Movie 10…. the Main Villian fruit does what ?
Also if his words are bendable like you are saying then why can not every 17 year old birthday mean that he will be 17 year old every year for us until he gets older in manga ?
Captain Karmine / Karmine the Mastermind
Bounty: 350.000.000
Crew : Karmine & A lot of barrels and boxes
Ship : Knarr/Ice Dragon
New bounty & Ship! Wandering around…
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I was actually talking about Shiki. He can leviate things such as ships, islands, and himself and make them fly.
Technically, he can't make himself fly, he's simply causing his inanimate swords to levitate and move.
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Well, I know that, but that's basically what he's doing, making himself fly. It's like a loophole.
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Okay, I'm gonna be the first to suggest this, so don't kill me or flame me to death, but:
What if Luffy dies?
No, I'm serious here. The series isn't called "Monkey D. Luffy", it's called One Piece. Granted, he is the protagonist and this is a Shonen, but there are shonen series before that have, at the middle point, had the first hero die, only to have someone else pick up their legacy.
However, Oda is not so stupid as to let someone on the way to achieving their dream just die without achieving it.
So, for this to work, I'm going to suggest something else outrageous:
Ace is One Piece.
What treasure, to a man, is more valuable than his own family?
One P. Ace…
So, Luffy saves Ace and dies, but the story...
Oh, forget it, this is just stupid, even for one of my theories.
I called it wrong, so long ago. I guess this needs to be changed.
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@Fire Fist:
Okay, I'm gonna be the first to suggest this, so don't kill me or flame me to death, but:
What if Luffy dies?
No, I'm serious here. The series isn't called "Monkey D. Luffy", it's called One Piece. Granted, he is the protagonist and this is a Shonen, but there are shonen series before that have, at the middle point, had the first hero die, only to have someone else pick up their legacy.
However, Oda is not so stupid as to let someone on the way to achieving their dream just die without achieving it.
So, for this to work, I'm going to suggest something else outrageous:
Ace is One Piece.
What treasure, to a man, is more valuable than his own family?
One P. Ace…
So, Luffy saves Ace and dies, but the story...
Oh, forget it, this is just stupid, even for one of my theories.
Some countries have it named after Luffy though…
Another annoying thing is that if Oda did kill him; then it'd probably be odd to have a "last adventure" as a "17-year-old..." It'd be better if he stated "last adventure" rather than adding age; unless he is trying to make some deep connection to that SBS...
It'd be pretty mean of him to just kill his main character and switch to another one...
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First off, you are wrong about every birthday being that way… He gave the first characters' birthdays on his own, pretty much... Later on, the fans started to submit ideas for character's birthday...
Second, I'm more focused on a known birthday being celebrated since then we can be able to follow a time line of events to figure out how far away we are from Luffy's birthday...
Solving this issue of Luffy's last adventure...
First off he gave some characters their birthdays on the fans request in the SBS. Go look. some fans suggested some dates he okay'd and randomly added some more.
I specifically said he most likely won't do the whole celebration of a birthday and just gloss over the event. Oda's not big on given clear cut d/m/y details in the manga just for something as trivial as a bday.
There's already a speculated time line. When Oda indicates that Luffy is now 18 we'll most likely have to guess from a certain time period which just might be the time skip.
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@Fire Fist:
No, I'm serious here. The series isn't called "Monkey D. Luffy", it's called One Piece. Granted, he is the protagonist and this is a Shonen, but there are shonen series before that have, at the middle point, had the first hero die, only to have someone else pick up their legacy.
Many series aren't named after their protagonists. How about Bleach, Fullmetal Alchemist, Soul Eater, Fairy Tail, Berserk, Dragonball to only name a few. Wait a minute, now I understand the excessive usage of Sasuke in Naruto! :w00t:
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@AdmiralYonkouMt.Bandit:
First off he gave some characters their birthdays on the fans request in the SBS. Go look. some fans suggested some dates he okay'd and randomly added some more.
I specifically said he most likely won't do the whole celebration of a birthday and just gloss over the event. Oda's not big on given clear cut d/m/y details in the manga just for something as trivial as a bday.
There's already a speculated time line. When Oda indicates that Luffy is now 18 we'll most likely have to guess from a certain time period which just might be the time skip.
I read it and the first one had Oda giving out the b-days to Luffy, Zoro, Nami, Usopp, and probably Sanji… He also gave other details about them.
He did do Shanks one as well... I don't remember if he took Ace's seriously.
Anyhow, Ace and Shanks have the same B-Day...
As far as him showing it in the manga; that's what I am trying to find right now… It's the only "information" we need to confirm this whole problem about what is this and what is that.
I'm pretty sure that Oda has this stuff in mind when he does the manga... It's just that he never shows them doing it; besides, May 5th may have been anytime really... We just don't have any known "months" towards the current time of this.
Was there one on Nyon's newspaper by chance?
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Anyhow, Ace and Shanks have the same B-Day…
Actually, Shanks shares his birthday with Franky…. 3/9
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Actually, Shanks shares his birthday with Franky…. 3/9
Thanks for correcting me… I forgot that Oda was 1/1…
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I would say it is more like his lack of words imply a drastic change. Anyway, that's partially why I think Luffy will be unconscious for an extended duration of time. Like, for example, if he went into a coma for XX months. Not so long that the world has passed them by, but long enough to be a cause for concern to the crew and allies in the story.
Edit: This is what I mean by lack of words:
Interviewer: Whaaat!? You can't leave me with just that..!
Oda: Nope, I can't say anything more than that now.oda gives us always small hints which actually let people speculate about the wrong things…
but the story needs a timeskip, so that the SH could rejoin...luffy gets some rest\chance to develop...
and when oda mentions that this will be the last adventure of the 17 year old luffy.....we can guess but it is kind of obvious..but in the end it is always differnet than any of us thought
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Many series aren't named after their protagonists. How about Bleach, Fullmetal Alchemist, Soul Eater, Fairy Tail, Berserk, Dragonball to only name a few. Wait a minute, now I understand the excessive usage of Sasuke in Naruto! :w00t:
Fullmetal Alchemist is Ed's nickname, and Al is often confused as (and called) Fullmetal by new characters. And Fairy Tail is the name of the guild the protagonists (Lucy, Natsu, Ezra, Gray) are in.
By comparison, there are plenty of series named after their characters. Hokuto no Ken can not only mean Fist of the North Star, but Ken(shiro) of the North Star. Naruto, of course, is obvious. Shaman King doesn't directly refer to Yoh but it's implied throughout the series that he will become such
! Even though he doesn't .
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Luffy aging 10 years has it's good points: A 27 year old becoming Pirate king sounds much more plausible than a 17 year old running out all the big shots. And Hancock wouldn't be some kind of pedo anymore! :silly:
But what I find much more intriguing, would be a time skip of around one year. As much as it hurts I expect Whitebeard to die in this War. With Luffy being out we could experience the change in the world caused by his fall through Luffy's eyes.
This could even produce some plottwist for the next destination: Fishman-Island. Right now it's peaceful thanks to Whitebeard's protection.But WB's death + timeskip = Voilà, we have a possible emotional conflict, which the strawhats can deal with in their next destination.
Additionally, I'm sure the rest of the crew will somehow change and improve due to their solo-traveling, probably going with some slight change of design.
Powerups (and design-change, yes Franky, I'm looking at you) might be much easier to swallow with a timeskip here.
Just imagine Zoro returning with a monstrous, completely new attack that makes you gasp in awe, shake with excitement and say
"DAMN! Zoro has become even more of a badass after the seperation!" Him learning it after a couple of weeks? Possible…
But him mastering it after a certain amount of off-screen training (that we don't need to be bothered with thanks to a timeskip)?
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The first five birthdays (and for that matter pretty much all of them) are based on some kind of joke or pun. I believe Oda chose Luffy, Zoro, Nami, Usopp, and Sanji's birthday but everything after was fans going by the same kinds of logic he used for the previous picks and running with it. They're usually based on a holiday association (Chopper is Christmas Eve, Califa's is Secretary's Day), a pun relation to the character's name (Zoro's 11/11 birthday which I don't remember the exact logic off the top of my head) or taking the character's name literally (Sanji's birthday was derived by breaking up his name as 3 and 2 in Japanese).
Oda doesn't explicitly talk about time in the manga in terms of specific dates but there WAS a theory a while back that he was keeping track of time passage using phases of the moon, so while time isn't an overbearing presence in the manga but there's evidence supporting that it's hanging around in the background.
Additionally, it could simply be a matter of a rite of passage and this may very well just be Luffy turning 18 (albeit probably more than just "yay cake"). Certain birthdays are seen as "important" or "big" birthdays - safe examples in the US would be sweet sixteen and 21 (when it's legal to gamble in a casino and, of bigger note, purchase and drink alcohol), so 18 may be one of these "special birthdays" (Greg, is 18 considered a "special birthday" in Japan?).
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Luffy aging 10 years has it's good points: A 27 year old becoming Pirate king sounds much more plausible than a 17 year old running out all the big shots. And Hancock wouldn't be some kind of pedo anymore! :silly:
I don't see why a legend shouldn't be able to surpass old big shots why he himself would be still very young. Doing stuff that doesn't make sense by normal standards is pretty much what makes a legend a legend.
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Luffy aging 10 years has it's good points: A 27 year old becoming Pirate king sounds much more plausible than a 17 year old running out all the big shots. And Hancock wouldn't be some kind of pedo anymore! :silly:
You don't know how skilled Roger's navigator was… However, it'd have a good amount of reason to suggest that Nami's more capable at navigating than whoever did it for Roger...
Plus, they have better "supplies" and "equipment" to reach to the final island than Roger should have had...
It'd be less-reasonable for Oda to just change "time" and make Luffy older just because he may be considered better than Roger due to him accomplishing what Roger did much younger.
Plus, there's never really been a stated rivalry between Luffy and Roger; just one that Luffy provoked with Shanks.
I don't see any reason for Luffy to even gain a time skip of that much… He's going to change greatly if it is that long.
But what I find much more intriguing, would be a time skip of around one year. As much as it hurts I expect Whitebeard to die in this War. With Luffy being out we could experience the change in the world caused by his fall through Luffy's eyes.
This could even produce some plottwist for the next destination: Fishman-Island. Right now it's peaceful thanks to Whitebeard's protection.If the World Government takes control, or pirates run rampage around it… It'd probably be bad...
Like other people said, skipping a year has a lot of bad consequences and Oda avoided that early on during Little Garden by adding Vivi into the story, so he can continue avoiding the major time skips that slow down the manga and speed up the time greatly...
I'm sure that Luffy will get to the last island around the age of 18, if not better... Nami's one of the best navigators to ever live more than likely.
But WB's death + timeskip = Voilà, we have a possible emotional conflict, which the strawhats can deal with in their next destination.
Additionally, I'm sure the rest of the crew will somehow change and improve due to their solo-traveling, probably going with some slight change of design.
Powerups (and design-change, yes Franky, I'm looking at you) might be much easier to swallow with a timeskip here.
Just imagine Zoro returning with a monstrous, completely new attack that makes you gasp in awe, shake with excitement and say
"DAMN! Zoro has become even more of a badass after the seperation!" Him learning it after a couple of weeks? Possible…
But him mastering it after a certain amount of off-screen training (that we don't need to be bothered with thanks to a timeskip)?
More appropriate.I'd feel disappointed if Oda did take this approach, it'd be like he ran out of information and had to force some to come in… He's rarely done this sort of thing.
@Dixxy:
The first five birthdays (and for that matter pretty much all of them) are based on some kind of joke or pun. I believe Oda chose Luffy, Zoro, Nami, Usopp, and Sanji's birthday but everything after was fans going by the same kinds of logic he used for the previous picks and running with it. They're usually based on a holiday association (Chopper is Christmas Eve, Califa's is Secretary's Day), a pun relation to the character's name (Zoro's 11/11 birthday which I don't remember the exact logic off the top of my head) or taking the character's name literally (Sanji's birthday was derived by breaking up his name as 3 and 2 in Japanese).
Were any of them celebrated in the manga?
Oda doesn't explicitly talk about time in the manga in terms of specific dates but there WAS a theory a while back that he was keeping track of time passage using phases of the moon, so while time isn't an overbearing presence in the manga but there's evidence supporting that it's hanging around in the background.
Yeah… There's "dates" that suggest "months" exist in the world; but we don't know how long they are and stuff...
The "moon" thing is also questionable, he may be throwing people off with that due to him never indicating any "orbit" and stuff... Besides, you can't keep track of "moon phases" constantly, nor are you able to compare it to anything...Additionally, it could simply be a matter of a rite of passage and this may very well just be Luffy turning 18 (albeit probably more than just "yay cake"). Certain birthdays are seen as "important" or "big" birthdays - safe examples in the US would be sweet sixteen and 21 (when it's legal to gamble in a casino and, of bigger note, purchase and drink alcohol), so 18 may be one of these "special birthdays" (Greg, is 18 considered a "special birthday" in Japan?).
This is what I am thinking too… It's just going to happen like normal. I just don't see any advanced "time skip" or anything, Oda's so against them up to this point in the manga...
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Like other people said, skipping a year has a lot of bad consequences and Oda avoided that early on during Little Garden by adding Vivi into the story, so he can continue avoiding the major time skips that slow down the manga and speed up the time greatly…
What exactly is this referring to? The log on Little Garden taking a year to set?
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about that luffy ages to 27 theory. since luffy didn't go through iva's entire treatment then maybe he will age to 21? 27 seems way to old. 21 would be just right.
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about that luffy ages to 27 theory. since luffy didn't go through iva's entire treatment then maybe he will age to 21? 27 seems way to old. 21 would be just right.
Reread chapter 538, he went through and survived the ENTIRE treatment.
