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It had less to do with her "life" and daily activities, but more to do with her "serenity" and freedom of the mind. She was basically able to feel at "home" and you know the saying that "There's no place like home" from Wizard of Oz, right?
Terrible assumption built on nothing but your personal fantasy's.
Well, this is the same sort of situation, you have to treat Perona as an immature little brat, since that's her character. So, if she basically is taken to a new location, all of a sudden, she'd be confused and disoriented and such… Sort of how Dorothy was when she first arrived.
Why would she be at that level of confusion, when she stated to Kuma the settings she wished to reside in. The only thing she had shown any displeasure at it the lack of toys waiting on her every whim.
Since Perona has lost all of her previous things, that's what I am talking about… She's an emotional character that has immense and rich characterization going on, but if you can't feel her situation, then you'd probably be very indifferent and uncaring towards her.
Stop preaching your metaphysical fantasy.
The whole point I made is that she's without any of that previous security that Thriller Bark offered her, instead, she's off to fend on her own [and for her its strange due to her spoiled brat personality].
Again you've blown things out of proportion. She is a strong character that is more than capable of surviving on her own. Patching Zoro up shows that she isn't totally naive to the realities of life.
No, it was only in relation to Shushui [spelling?]. When he tried to use it for the fight against Oars, the sword was sucking in the other "two" during most of his attacks and he said "I need to train myself better to handle it" and such… Then, he basically couldn't do that until he recovered.
You have no idea what I was getting at about Zoro and his swords. Maybe you should do some research into Katana history and mythology before trying to counter my initial point.
I think you have a misunderstanding of her "known" power… She can only currently create two types of ghosts: Negative Ones, and "other". Negative Hollow will always do a constant thing: if you are more negative than her ghost, then you'd beat it out and wouldn't take the damage from it [example: Usopp], however, if you are a different person of the other extreme, you'd ALWAYS be bothered by it. Example, everyone that was hit except Usopp.
Not if you are enlightened.
(SBS lols)
The only way to basically become UNAFFECTED [by manga explanation] is to basically turn into Usopp. That's something that is NOT going to happen to Zoro. [Unless you feel it will] Plus, it's pretty worthless for a man like Zoro to become a coward like Usopp…
It focuses on negativity and amplifies it. But if you didn't have any negativity then you would remain unaffected. Similar to Usopp though he remained unchanged because he was already in a negative state of mind.
If Zoro truly mastered his swords, and released his past memories of Kuini then he himself may become one, thus gaining a positive disposition.
Though this is just a text book example seen in similar forms in many famous manga & anime.
It's a horrible choice for Oda to do, and Zoro hasn't been shown to do that at all in his cover arc. So, Oda isn't foreshadowing that sort of thing.
Oda's purposely not writing the full mini adventures in black and white to keep suspense, speculation and intrigue. This should be apparent by the cut-off point for each character.
Second is the "Haki" principle… Which I can't expect to be even remotely possible. So, we are basically stuck with a "speculation" that's NOT backed by the manga, unless Perona can create an OUT-OF-BODY PROJECTION for Zoro as well, which wouldn't probably matter either...
Translate this in to something remotely coherent and I might consider responding to it.
My point is that there's very little to assume of Zoro gaining nearly ANYTHING from Perona, other than the plot device substance stuff.
Your an idiot to think she isn't there for some beneficial use in Zoro's strength increase.
Why would Oda change the trend?
This is tricky to see, but it's something that Oda uses as a GAG with Zoro.
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That character will then guide him towards the place he needs to go and save Zoro.In this arc, Zoro has done the following:
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Zoro said "I know how to use the VIVRE CARD" to Chopper when he was about to explain [hints that he won't when he needs to…]
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Zoro has a "Where are they now??" cover arc title, which means that he is lost.
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Zoro has to get to SA by following the directions of a VIVRE CARD.
So, by means of foreshadowing, as Oda has done every other time, Zoro is doomed to fail.
Why would Kuma send him to this island with the intention just to have Perona lead him back to the crew. She will aid Zoro in improving his abilities one way or another. Then he'll leave….the end.
Therefore, we have a character brought in to help him make it out of this problem: Perona.
- She has shown an ability to follow simple navigation… [When the SH crew opened the floating cask and the flashing bullet flew out, Perona was shown to track it from the middle of nowhere and end up on the ship.]
- She should be able to follow the direction of the VIVRE CARD that leads towards a single direction.
So, this forces Zoro to have a plot device to assist him get back to the island where they must meet. Of all the characters there, Perona is the one currently most able to do it. Shadow THING may not even be able to do anything, so we have to have faith that Oda will use this girl to bring him back to the location that he needs to head. It's about the most predictable you can get with Oda's gag of Zoro's inability to follow directions, and it is pretty much constant. You can look it up, but this is pretty much true for every single situation that Zoro got lost.
Quite possible the worst use and set-up of a character. Oda wouldn't waste all the page space required knowing he'll gain nothing in return.
Therefore, in the end result, since Zoro needs to escape, she will be the plot device to help him out… That's why I don't fully agree with your point. /resume discussion.
Zoro improves, Perona stops being a childish teen and finds a purpose. Then they both go their separate ways…...Simple.
No, not every character held all of these things before they joined, either officially or unofficially.
I've already covered this. But I'll reiterate and say that they all covered the majority (80% plus) of requirements set by Oda.
They all followed the trend, almost to a T. Perona doesn't even come close to one of the aforementioned requirements. Which equates to her chances of joining being totally non-existent.
It's not about the events, you have to take it and break it down…
Robin asked to join. Nami, nor any other character, did not.
Robin was accepted. Perona can ask to join, and she'd be set to follow the whole "mysterious past" girl that Robin was, at least towards the gravity of it.
She can still follow the whole Robin/ Nami future rescue arc path that Oda has done for the two.
READ MY FUCKING POST YOU MORON!
Robin had only a slight deviation from the trend set by Oda, but made up for it with huge levels of ties and foreshadowing throughout the entire Arabasta arc.
She doesn't have the ties nor the set-up to put Luffy in the same position as before as seen with Robin.
Why can't you accept this blindingly obvious fact?
That's false. You DO NOT need a position to join the crew. Usopp did NOT have one prior to joining the crew. Brook did not have one when he first accepted the whole thing.
I've already covered this point.
Oda mysteriously giving Luffy the sheer luck of picking people that are not only needed but are experts in each of their fields.
Coinci-fucking-dence….Psssht.
You don't need an ambition to join the crew, but it does help your chances by a billion fold… Brook did not have one when he first accepted it, it was revealed the next "chapter" and later on in TB it was explained fully.
Brook always had an ambition, which didn't change before or after he joined the crew.
Furthermore, that "fight" scene can come much later into the future… Like how Robin and Nami had their serious arcs AFTER they joined. Perona can follow these rules as well as follow the pathway of Brook, who basically lets any character join...
I would point out the million faults with this post if it didn't surpass the bible in length.
All that is needed for Perona to do is to head and lead Zoro to Thousand Sunny, then say "can I join?" and have Zoro admit that she helped him, even if he doesn't, it's pretty obvious she did. So, then Luffy would assess the situation and since he has invited people that "helped" others, he would offer her a chance like the others… Without any "real" reason.
Luffy would laugh at her, so would Oda, so would I.
Either way this ain't going to happen.
In order to make a trend, you must have even Brook's "first" invitation and his accepting of that on that chapter, at the last page. Otherwise, the trend isn't coherent and it lacks consistency.
Wrong again.
For that reason, the only remaining accurate "trend" is that Luffy can invite any random thing, and as long as that thing can come into contact with him, that thing can join… Of all the people he has invited and been rejected/ accepted by, they were all compassionate in some way.
Wrong, wrong and wrong.
Stop asking me to reiterate the several points I've already made against this.
Zombie tree and unicorn never answered, therefore, they would not count in the whole list since they weren't "able to" answer towards the compassion part.
That was just a gag scene created by Oda to show the shock/awe and repercussions of Luffy being in such an entertaining place.
I can't believe you even considered mentioning this gag moment, let alone treat as evidence in your migraine inducing cause.
However, they would be included in the random invitation thing, since they are characters that were invited… Luffy invites anything that moves and is "cool" or "nice". That's the most fact a trend on OP can actually be without having loopholes.
A. Gag moments don't apply to the serious structure set by Oda.
B. You don't understand what or how to apply the word loophole.
C. Nor do you appear to have a grasp on what the term 'Fact' means
Hmmm… I don't have a standard one. I could make up one that fits the "saving" part, but I assume that this should apply towards the future as well... Not just "current" since that'd suck. Indirectly, it could be argued he has, but other than that, you would be correct that Luffy hasn't saved her up to this chapter in the manga, in the future, we don't know...
Yet more clutching at straws.
But, I don't really like this one. He didn't save Brook the first time they met, he just greeted him and screamed/ laughed… Nami even attacked him.
Did you have a point to make, apart from the fact that you can't find any trends, symmetry or similarities in crew joining?
Yes you do… This is his manga, he is already finished with the generic crew positions, so he can't have anything predictable in terms of what he names them anymore since we DON'T have a reference to figure it out...
He hasn't finished with positions, nor is it in any way predictable.
So, unless he gives us the name, we can't figure out what he could call her.
Furthermore, we don't know what else she was able to do at Thriller Bark since she COULDN'T have joined Moria when he hadn't even had zombies present to command without a Dr. Hogback in his crew…
I've already covered the likelihood of her past and joining of Morias crew. What else could I possibly add to contradict your earlier speculation…
False. What reason she joined Moria is unknown and she could warrant a connection to the NW which is surprise surprise the SH crew future destination…
She wasn't given these backgrounds because she wasn't important enough to warrant one.
i.e. She is a tool, nothing more. Tools don't have a past.
It's NOT known what her background may be, but it doesn't mean that she's been isolated on an island for her whole life, because she clearly cannot have been. Moria's whole crew died before she joined, therefore, he had no one from his old crew and she joined after Kaidou whooped his behind, coincidence? You decide…
For all we know she could have been the first inhabitant of thriller bark due to her fixation with haunted mansions. Moria could have arrived after he and his crew were defeated.
Furthermore, Moria was fucked up in the chin and all over by Kaidou, so you'd have to imagine the worst and wonder how he got a girl to join him…
Cuddly servants inhabiting her haunted mansion….
Sounds about right.
She could very well have a horrible past, her personality reeks of it…
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
Depending on what translation you look for, you'll either get the "fun" idea, which is a unique definition that her character knows and only her character… Looking up in the dictionary won't help us figure out her own definition of "fun" since she never expanded on that... We can't make assumptions based on her "hobbies" and such, because there are cases where hobbies aren't "fun" to some and so on... Basically, we cannot define it and we cannot interpret the meaning.
More pointless text used to fill space rather than take a direction or justify previous speculation.
So, that's the one reason that translations suggest she joined Moria from the start… Nothing that you said.
Read above.
The other is that it isn't provided because a translation translates that phrase differently, therefore, the reason as to why she joined him isn't even known.
So, it'd be 100% speculation if that is the correct translation.
Her join date bares no relevance on her likelihood of joining.
Lastly, her character is hard to read perfectly, but she's a very interesting character… Which ever it is, we have no clear understanding on the details concerning it, so it's baseless to mention why...
Thats because their is nothing to read on. She's a blank canvass/tool being used by Oda….Nothing more.
Works best if she was a member of Kaidou's crew in the past and then after Moria lost, she left to help the injured man…
Your fantasy's regarding Perona know no bounds.
Fixes the whole plot line and gives Luffy a future opponent that allows him to grow.
It can work also, since her connection with Moria isn't known and she may be the first character to join, which would be after Kaidou's big whooping that was a personal assassination of Moria's crew and a chin removed.
Rofl at your fixation to Moria's chin. Plus if what you say is true then she shouldn't join the crew due to the conflicting loyalty between the two crews.
Buggy Arc, before Arlong Arc, it was all about 100 million… Nothing about maps.
She had been mapping out the ocean as a child, long before the Buggy arc.
Conclusion: **You've completely deluded yourself with these metaphysical fantasy's regarding Perona, and overlook common logic in a quest to justify her remaining a possible crew candidate.
Not only this, but the majority of your post just reiterated the same points you've made before without considering any of the counter arguments I made.
Which all boils down to it being fruitless continuing this argument as you will respond the same material you've used the last 20+ pages. And when I say material, I mean more of a shitty compilation of fanfic styled text.**
