If a D. was in her name, she'd be our first female D. :P
Chapter 525 "Underwater Prison Impel Down" Discussion
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First of all, this chapter just killed the 'Portgas D. Shanks' theory, thank God. and I don't think Ace held any grudges against Dragon for not being around, I think he know that if Dragon stays around it will endanger every single one of his family. But the fact remains that, Ace never know how it was to have a father until he met WB. And about Portgas….still to many mysteries.
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First of all, this chapter just killed the 'Portgas D. Shanks' theory, thank God. and I don't think Ace held any grudges against Dragon for not being around, I think he know that if Dragon stays around it will endanger every single one of his family. But the fact remains that, Ace never know how it was to have a father until he met WB. And about Portgas….still to many mysteries.
Never really heard of that theory, but it does sound fuckin' ridiculous ('Course, I'm just saying that cause NOW we know Ace's mother is Portgas)
Hmm.. Dragon probably abandonded Luffy too, but he doesn't seem to care much. Well, he didn't even know about him so yeah.. But he must care for Luffy, though, I just wanna know if he feels the same about Ace
Hmm… I wonder what's for dinner..
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and I don't think Ace held any grudges against Dragon for not being around,
…um, he clearly does?
Seeing no reason to keep the name of his father, who he doesn't even know or remember at all, he instead uses that of his mother. People don't do that unless they have something against their father. And Ace clearly has plenty to be sore about.
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Another fine chapter, though a bit on the short side (aren't there usually 19 pages?) No matter. Oh and am I the only who didn't quite understand what was going on that that whole minotaur double page spread scene?
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The two prisoners had a fight, the minotaur broke it up by smashing their skulls, then threw them into another cell to be beaten up/raped/whatever by a much larger and even more violent prisoner.
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The two prisoners had a fight, the minotaur broke it up by smashing their skulls, then threw them into another cell to be beaten up/raped/whatever by a much larger and even more violent prisoner.
Is that what happens? I couldn't quite figure it out. I just knew they were being dragged somewhere at first, and then were no longer in the page. When it switched to the spikes and the cauldron I thought maybe he tossed em there or something. See the body impaled on the spikes? I thought maybe that was one of em or something. I should have known better with Oda though. Tch. Amazing how dark and brutal he can make something while still refraining from actual on screen death.
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Oda is scary O_______O
I'm still putting money down on something epic happening because of the Strawhat crew and Buggy getting blamed for it. -
That part was confusing to me too so I read it again, it is indeed what Crossword said. The two are seemingly killed by this particularly large and brutal criminal, if not killed then severely beaten.
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Is that what happens? I couldn't quite figure it out. I just knew they were being dragged somewhere at first, and then were no longer in the page. When it switched to the spikes and the cauldron I thought maybe he tossed em there or something. See the body impaled on the spikes? I thought maybe that was one of em or something.
The two guys going ''Wait! We're not supposed to be on Death Row!!'' are the ones who were fighting, and you can see the big guy's eyes behind them. Next panel has the big guy roaring, and then you see the minotaur stalking off with the big guy does something to the two prisoners, as there's blood everywhere and stuff. If you download that super-big file Battle Franky posted earlier and zoom in, you can make out a large form with its left arm in a position that suggests he just crushed some heads.
As for the spike pit, those clothes are empty as the body that was wearing them has decayed to a skeleton.
Rather grisly stuff, to say the least. Very reminiscent of Berserk, but I think that's been said already.
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Yeah, Impel Down makes me kinda think oda's been picking up Berserk lately… Very reminiscent of the stuff with Mozgus... But hey, Berserk is godly, so Oda has taste.
Also, I think one minotaur dragged the main offender away, while another was in the cell with the prisoners and seemingly killed them. Could be wrong, though.
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The two prisoners had a fight, the minotaur broke it up by smashing their skulls, then threw them into another cell to be beaten up/raped/whatever by a much larger and even more violent prisoner.
I just paid attention to that spread and yes…those two guys gotz raped!
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Looking at the chapter again, I've just noticed that Oda seems to have gotten better at actually structuring the female form. It's still in his usual cartoon proportions, but at least he seems to not be using the number eight to draw their torsos anymore.
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I don't think this has been mentioned before but, you think all this chaining and torturing could cause Hancock to freak out or break down because of her past?
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^^ Interesting thought. I wonder what her response to it all will be. Good point.
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Looking at the chapter again, I've just noticed that Oda seems to have gotten better at actually structuring the female form. It's still in his usual cartoon proportions, but at least he seems to not be using the number eight to draw their torsos anymore.
Well, the breasts have increased a lot in One Piece since Nami was first introduced (lol) and the structuring has improved much, he used to draw plain but curvy bodies at first, then anorexic bodies with big breasts now he's drawing the torsos more realistic in the curves.
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@Zik:
But they seem to be smart. Attacking an impregnable prison that has more marine warships than a buster call takes a stupidity that is incomprehensible if you don't have the means of surviving or at least putting up a decent fight to give yourself a chance of reaching your goal.
Besides leave it to WB, when that crew gets there I'm expecting a prison break anyway.
I would reather take the crew luffy has
Death before dishonour then the Buggy one…
Especially in Mangas (being the fictional world) the only true friends, NAKAMAS are the ones who are willing to sacrifise their own life for their captain and similar
P.S. I hate talking about next nakama and similar but the crew abandoning Buggy "could" potentially lead to buiggy joining idk ACE if WB is killed to revenge him or even Luffy but this one is too far fetched...
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I would take the crew luffy has
Death before dishonour then the Buggy one…
Especially in Mangas (being the fictional world) the only true friends, NAKAMAS are the ones who are willing to sacrifise their own life for their captain and similar
I was by no means implying that that crew was more favorable. They were just being realistic in a comedic way; Alvida being the voice of reason. What they did is closer to what most real life pirates would do.
The only other realistic outcomes would be they go after him and all die, go after him but suffer heavy losses while succeeding, and then the manga route where they go after him and succeed lol.
I mean the thing is in manga in those rescue situations they rarely lose their lives, it would kinda defeat the purpose of saving the life of the person they are rescuing. Especially in this manga, how warped and twisted would it have been if the SHs rescued Robin and lets say Usopp actually died protecting her or if Sanji died? lol smh etc.
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I don't think this has been mentioned before but, you think all this chaining and torturing could cause Hancock to freak out or break down because of her past?
Good Point!
Not to mention that a full-body check would mean exposing the mark on her back.
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@Zik:
I was by no means implying that that crew was more favorable. They were just being realistic in a comedic way; Alvida being the voice of reason. What they did is closer to what most real life pirates would do.
The only other realistic outcomes would be they go after him and all die, go after him but suffer heavy losses while succeeding, and then the manga route where they go after him and succeed lol.
I mean the thing is in manga in those rescue situations they rarely lose their lives, it would kinda defeat the purpose of saving the life of the person they are rescuing. Especially in this manga, how warped and twisted would it have been if the SHs rescued Robin and lets say Usopp actually died protecting her or if Sanji died? lol smh etc.
Exactly Zik, thats exactly the reason why Buggy and his crew are more of a joke charas in OP not some really powerful pirates…
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AHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! The thing that raped/bashed up the too prisoners after the horned guy chuked em in a seperate cell was…...........................JIMBEI!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! IT EXPLAINS THE 'MONSTER' HU RAPES/BASHES UP THE TWO GUYS' PHYSICAL STRENGTH....and plus, wat better way to show how powerful jimbei is
oh and btw
Good Point!
Not to mention that a full-body check would mean exposing the mark on her back.
For her to go to a place like that would mean that she must really love Luffy.a full body chek doesnt mean she has to go stark naked…i mean itd be more of a thing to please all the marines than a chek for anything harmful, and her beauty charms wud stop them from grabbin her clothes off. i think wat they mean is that the marines will giv her a pat down, so the only thing she has to worry about is for luffy not to be found. LOL i had an idea tho, luffy can temporarily form himself(as he is rubber) to add to Hancocks breasts...itd work, i mean namis breast size has been changin thruought the series, so hancock could get away with it, and if the marines try to prove anythin she can charge for sexual assault...foolproof!
OH! and for clarification, is oda really having a break from one piece this week? and for how long? thanks, i havnt been on the discussion forum for this chapter often, so i mightvv missed it.
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Great Chapter~~~ this just keeping building and building… haha.. love having Hancock along for the ride.. love her confidence... her beauty.
Now there is Luffy,Ace,Garp at Impel Down along with Hancock/Buggy to help. Should make for some interesting situations.. hahaha...
I'm curious to see what Luffy's "plan" is... haha.. I'm thinking the only option he has is the moment they're about to put handcuffs on Hancock.. they start blasting their way all the way to Ace. Hancock can probably take out almost anyone at Impel Down...
As a Schichibukai... there is an assumption (which needs to be rebutted by evidence)that she can handle herself against pretty much anyone except perhaps an Admiral... seems like Momonga respects her power greatly.. as does Sengoku...
can't wait to see her in action.. and have her finally win the respect of forum members here who think she's a one trick pony (turn people into stone). With all due respect... if she just had the turn people into stone move... I doubt she would be a schichibukai.. you don't become one.. because you're so weak a VA can take you out. Plus she is a very experienced user of Haki... (we don't know what this means yet... but you know Oda is cooking up something good)
having said all this... we have no idea what waits at Impel Down.. for all I know there might be someone there or a team of guards there with incredible power... beyond that of a Marine VA....
So if Ace is the biological son of Dragon... a grandson to Garp.. a brother to Luffy... and a adopted son of White Beard and a friend of Shanks.. you must be out of your fucking mind if you want to execute him.... the shit storm that is coming is EPIC!!!
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Ahah, Buggy and Luffy will team up to save Ace ! :-D
And: Luffy will hide in the snake' stomach !
And: Buggy is Shank's inside man !
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AHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! The thing that raped/bashed up the too prisoners after the horned guy chuked em in a seperate cell was…...........................JIMBEI!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! IT EXPLAINS THE 'MONSTER' HU RAPES/BASHES UP THE TWO GUYS' PHYSICAL STRENGTH....and plus, wat better way to show how powerful jimbei is
oh and btw
a full body chek doesnt mean she has to go stark naked...i mean itd be more of a thing to please all the marines than a chek for anything harmful, and her beauty charms wud stop them from grabbin her clothes off. i think wat they mean is that the marines will giv her a pat down, so the only thing she has to worry about is for luffy not to be found. LOL i had an idea tho, luffy can temporarily form himself(as he is rubber) to add to Hancocks breasts...itd work, i mean namis breast size has been changin thruought the series, so hancock could get away with it, and if the marines try to prove anythin she can charge for sexual assault...foolproof!
OH! and for clarification, is oda really having a break from one piece this week? and for how long? thanks, i havnt been on the discussion forum for this chapter often, so i mightvv missed it.
I could picture a stark naked handcuffed Hancock with Luffy hanging on her back with many marines watching her while the 2 are giving a "aw shit" expression.
And I never saw Oda does the number 8 pattern on woman's breast.
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@joekido:
And I never saw Oda does the number 8 pattern on woman's breast.
I think they meant "8" as in, the breasts and hips are really wide, and the part connecting them is very skinny.
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Truly an awesome chapter. I wasn't here for the spoiler but I'm happy that I finally got to read the chapter. Awesome! They're finally at Impel Down and Luffy will be discovered soon. I'm glad we finally learned the truth behind Ace's different last name. He actually is Dragon's kid.
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And: Luffy will hide in the snake' stomach !
Too late for that now. Do you think Luffy's gonna get out of hancocks clothes, walk over to the snake and feed himself to it with a hundred marines watching?
And: Buggy is Shank's inside man !
I was under the impression they were rivals for life :ninja:
Truly an awesome chapter. I wasn't here for the spoiler but I'm happy that I finally got to read the chapter. Awesome! They're finally at Impel Down and Luffy will be discovered soon. I'm glad we finally learned the truth behind Ace's different last name. He actually is Dragon's kid.
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Sorry, couldn't resist the temptation :jk:. Anyway, what makes you think luffy'll be discovered soon? The body check? I'm kinda rooting for a stealthy entry but if it's stealthy, it ain't luffy. So I guess they'll be caught at the body check. This is the perfect opportunity for luffy to practice haki. Plenty of fodder, a couple of logia users perhaps -
AHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! The thing that raped/bashed up the too prisoners after the horned guy chuked em in a seperate cell was…...........................JIMBEI!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!! IT EXPLAINS THE 'MONSTER' HU RAPES/BASHES UP THE TWO GUYS' PHYSICAL STRENGTH....and plus, wat better way to show how powerful jimbei is
Uhhh …. ummmm that'd be very disturbing if that's how Jinbei gets down. Pretty cruel how the unruly prisoners basically get fed to him.
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….and plus, wat better way to show how powerful jimbei is
I agree, those two grunts must have had at least two hundred douriki. EACH!!1 O_O
edit: DON!!!11
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Too late for that now. Do you think Luffy's gonna get out of hancocks clothes, walk over to the snake and feed himself to it with a hundred marines watching?
I was under the impression they were rivals for life :ninja:
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Sorry, couldn't resist the temptation :jk:. Anyway, what makes you think luffy'll be discovered soon? The body check? I'm kinda rooting for a stealthy entry but if it's stealthy, it ain't luffy. So I guess they'll be caught at the body check. This is the perfect opportunity for luffy to practice haki. Plenty of fodder, a couple of logia users perhapsI'm just sure that Luffy will be discovered. They'll have inspect her whole body. And even if they don't take all her clothes off, I think Luffy will jump out begin fighting.
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Maybe Dragon will take this distraction to attack/kill the 5 old geezers, while the whole world is duking out at Impel Down….......
Oda could pull off a flashback showing Dragon stepping over the bodies of the 5 old geezers.........
And is Lucchi threatening Spandam or just saying they will get Luffy and return gloriously to CP9.
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To me it seemed like he was threatening him since the Den Den Mushi that he is holding looks shocked and terrified.
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I think Spandam is just shocked that they're not coming back and that he'll be in trouble with the WG/marines for his grand failure.
I don't know what the CP9's decision means though but I guess this story is not over cuz I really don't know where they will go.
I still want them to become pirates or revolutionaries…...........
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I agree, those two grunts must have had at least two hundred douriki. EACH!!1 O_O
edit: DON!!!11
[hide]lol.[/hide]So, I realize this is obvious, but I cannot recall anyone bringing this up: I really like the stark contrast between Buggy's crew and Luffy's crew. In this particular case; SHP vs Enies Lobby and Buggy Pirates vs Impel Down.
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Really dark chapter here. I guess there could be skepticism now of Portgas being only Ace's mother.
Impel Down looks crazy scary.
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't some of the Baroque Works members escape from Impel Down?
This chapter makes Impel Down seem way more scary than the cover stories did
but I guess there will be more security because of Ace. -
fedcom: Yes, I belive you are wrong: that wasn't ID. That was where they were held before being transported to ID or something.. if those that escaped were even going to ID in the first place.
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Oh alright, thanks for clearing that up.
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i thought the marines skipped the body check…after going crazy for Hancock
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I wonder who else could possibly be locked up there.
I mean we were'nt told buggy was in there so there could be arlong'crocodile etc to make life difficult.
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i thought the marines skipped the body check…after going crazy for Hancock
isn't that why they opened the door??The body check will most likely happen when she gets further in the prison.
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Did anyone else "awww" when you found out that Buggy and his crew consider Ace their friend ever since he came on the ship and partied with them?
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Not really luffy and ace have a knack for making friends with anything with a pulse all that happened was that ace fell asleep in their ship woke up they new he ws part of whitebeards crew so partied on they did'nt give it much thought.
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Did anyone else "awww" when you found out that Buggy and his crew consider Ace their friend ever since he came on the ship and partied with them?
Yes. I love that crew.
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What's kind of strange is that they mention Portgas is the name from Ace's mother… but they never specifically say that Luffy and Ace have different mothers. For all we know Luffy's mother might also be Portgas, but he was too young to ever meet her and thus never take her name as his own.
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He never new his dad either and ace said that aswell but took his mothers name because his dad is eeeeeeeevil.
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He never new his dad either and ace said that aswell but took his mothers name because his dad is eeeeeeeevil.
This makes me believe that some really serious crap went down,when Luffy still was an infant.
The incident probably involves Dragon killing a shitload of marines and the mom getting killed as a result of it.
Seriously, which kid doesn't know it's parents name?
Ace is a little bit older and still remebers his mother and hates his daddy for whatever shit he pulled in the past,
Luffy on the other hand could have been way too young to remember any of it.about the body check:
I pray to god, jesus, oda or whatever that they don't use Haki when it comes to this, like some people suggested…
there are so many other possibilities to evade being caught, which are way more entertaining, Luffy could bend his body to look and feel like a certain part of Hancock when touched by a marine officer (for the lulz like sumdup suggested XD)or Hancock could just order a Bodycheck by a single female gestapo chick
(people would not suspect her of anything if she does not want to be touched or seen by a "mere man" )
and turn her to solid rock when they are alone, send Luffy out and return the officer to normal without any aftermaths:
We saw that people don't remember pertification.
The officer would feel a little dizzy but would continue the body check without noticing a bit.But I just don't want Haki to be used for every thing like it was the most normal thing in the world...I dislike the idea of using Haki to defeat fodder on a regular basis, aswell...
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This makes me believe that some really serious crap went down,when Luffy still was an infant.
The incident probably involves Dragon killing a shitload of marines and the mom getting killed as a result of it.
Seriously, which kid doesn't know it's parents name?
Ace is a little bit older and still remebers his mother and hates his daddy for whatever shit he pulled in the past,
Luffy on the other hand could have been way too young to remember any of it.about the body check:
I pray to god, jesus, oda or whatever that they don't use Haki when it comes to this, like some people suggested…
there are so many other possibilities to evade being caught, which are way more entertaining, Luffy could bend his body to look and feel like a certain part of Hancock when touched by a marine officer (for the lulz like sumdup suggested XD)or Hancock could just order a Bodycheck by a single female gestapo chick
(people would not suspect her of anything if she does not want to be touched or seen by a "mere man" )
and turn her to solid rock when they are alone, send Luffy out and return the officer to normal without any aftermaths:
We saw that people don't remember pertification.
The officer would feel a little dizzy but would continue the body check without noticing a bit.But I just don't want Haki to be used for every thing like it was the most normal thing in the world...I dislike the idea of using Haki to defeat fodder on a regular basis, aswell...
or maybe he'll use gear 3 in a certain place then when hes a chibi then luffy hides himself in another place
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Imagine Sengoku's face if…
-Crocodile explains how Luffy defeating him showed him that he gave up his dream too easily. Crocodile turns against government.
-Jimbei and Hancock get a chance to chat. They discuss the injustices of the world nobles. Jimbei turns.
-Ace is rescued, Shanks comes to help, Kuma mysteriously disappears, Mihawk says he's not interested in fighting Strawhats, WB arrives at Impel Down with his pwn-army, and it suddenly becomes:
WG + BB, Doflamingo and Moria VS Whitebeard Pirates + Redhair Pirates + Ace + Luffy + Hancock + Jimbei + Crocodile :D -
@silvers and where are the bamfs admirals and vice admirals in all that?