I thought this chapter was okay, I thought the way they resolved the Nakai issue was probably the best way to handle the situation, with Nakai becoming an assistant again. Part of the reason I liked it is because Nakai and Hiramaru becoming an odd couple has potential to it. But there were a couple of things that I didn't like, for one Mashiro, Takagi and Fukuda being there was pointless, they were pretty much just there so that the protagonists could be in the chapter. I felt like the fight between Nakai and Hiramaru wasn't nearly as epic as it could've been and the art looked really bad at times, and I felt that it wasn't always intentional.
But on the whole it was alright, at least the Nakai issue is resolved.
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My Hero Academia is my favorite manga series right now. At least so long as the high of its greatness remains. United States of Smash.
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I…don't quite know what to make of this chapter.
Okay, Nakai admitted that he has problems, finally. But by the end it appears that all that's changed is the setting. Granted, this is surely a stepping stone, but I just can't really feel anything towards it.
At least Takagi admitted their uselessness. I hope we get out of this limbo and back to working on whatever this ''variant-proper-battle-manga'' will be sometime soon.
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My exact thoughts. That is the worst conclusion seeing that Nakai didn`t learn anything from it.
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At least Takagi admitted their uselessness. I hope we get out of this limbo and back to working on whatever this ''variant-proper-battle-manga'' will be sometime soon.
Same here, I don't want Bakuman to be in this sort-of rut they're having for too long.
@Benjamin he admitted he had problems at least, but I see where you're coming from.
Well, I imagine the series will improve again if it gets a nice healthy dose of Nizuma Eiji. -
I've been having mixed feelings about this series recently and I now understand why. I really liked the whole battle with Nanamine up until he went crazy (and tried to break his word after losing), but I haven't been feeling Nakai's subplot much. He needs to just hurry and team up with Iwase already, though I will admit that more Hiramaru has potential. This whole chapter was ok yet odd, I suppose.
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I didn't really like it.
None of Nakai's problems were solved, really. He's still the same douchebag he ever was.
There's no silver bullet for douchebagginess.
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Nakai doesent need to stop being a douche, and he probably wont but he needs to start trying to be a mangaka again.
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That was the craziest thing I ever read.
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That was . . . . . interesting . . . . .
Pure crack though the chapter was, I'll take it. Hiramaru was hilarious, as usual, but as we all know Nakai aint there yet. Waaaay longer before redemption can be his.
waves the AokixFukuda flag Fukuda was the first person Aoki called when the situation was getting dangerous.
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I don't really know what to think about the plot, but this chapter cracked me up, I laughed my ass off with Hiramaru, really, everything went from it to that all of a sudden, really fun.
I'm ok with what happened in the end, I guess it was the best way to deal with Fatai… But the end was disgusting, I'd hate to be in Hiramaru's place there, lol.
And Aoki was totally stupid wanting to get beated up, ugh. -
Pretty absurd ending but it was hilarious, so how it ended up wasn't as important as I thought it would be.
Hiramaru became the best character in the series bar none imo. Don't see how he doesn't get #1 in the next popularity poll.
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great chap!!! So….... random, though!!
Hiramaru is by far the best char in the last chapters, hands down!
Also, I incredibly appreciate Ohba's way of being positive, as opposed to Death Note!!!
The line about "Violence is a No-no with Women" and Takagi's "If he really hits her, then never mind mangaka, he fails even at being human"... I love it! I am currently living in Spain, and the gender violence is really a troublesome issue here!
I find great as the manga is trying to project positive values on readers!, and even more considering how realistic it is!
I am an advocate of manga's impact on society, and I do not underestimate such messages! Bakuman is getting better and better...Just hope it gets back soon to Ashirogi's development, hell!!
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I think Ohbata just wanted to draw a LOT of face-faults, as well as a fat guy bulging all over the place and a skinny guy in spandex.
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My reaction to this chapter:
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Well, the title of that video (which is clearly seen) just ruins the whole thing before you even watch it.
'Cause you know it's gonna be silly.
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@Sniper:
Well, the title of that video (which is clearly seen) just ruins the whole thing before you even watch it.
'Cause you know it's gonna be silly.Yeah, Walnutfacebrand. It's just so obvious.
Well, unless you're gonna tell me how to fix it, I don't wanna hear it.
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guys, lay off the fat jokes already. It's getting stale.
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Unless something major happens, Nakai will always remain the "fatass" like Iwase will always be the "Goddamn Fucking Homewrecker."
Hmmm, maybe we should upgrade Nakai to the "Goddamn Fatass Parasite." Doesn't have quite the same ring to it though.
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So I have a question. Is your favorite character Hiramaru or Eiji? Those are pretty much the top two Bakuman characters in terms of popularity (at least on this forum). Those are definitely my top two. I know one of my friends likes Hiramaru more, and I like him a lot, but I personally feel I'm more fond of Eiji.
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My favorite character is Fukuda.
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The new chapter is so weird… :S
When Nakai became all tragic and started talking about how all he had in life was manga, I actually thought he would start redeeming himself, even if it's just a little bit. I thought this was the start of a new, "better" Nakai - but the last page shows that he didn't learn anything? What the hell?Well, at least this means the next chapters will probably have a lot of Hiramaru in them :) I'm expecting a Hiramaru/Nakai sitcom-like chapter next week for some reason... o_O
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Wow, so does this mean that Hiramaru will now be giving Nakai moral guidance? The concept is hilarious.
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Remember when Mashiro was the main character?
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Remember when Mashiro was the main character?
In all honesty Mashiro's not that interesting. Not saying he's bad, I'm fine with him but I prefer Takagi, Eiji, Hattori, Hiramaru and maybe even Fukuda (though that last one hardly does anything). Although I agree he should start playing a more prominent role than he has for the past 10 chapters, but really that's not a huge problem.
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This chapter was so rediculous. I loved it, as always.
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oooh my lord, this chapter
http://www.mangareader.net/bakuman/129/18
THIS CHAPTER
hiramaru your place is with the angels
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Mashiro is ONLY interesting in that hes a venue to discuss story creation and art processes. He's pretty damn bland as an actual character, and his "romance" is godawful.
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This is off-topic and pretty old news but, a real life Eiji Niizuma here, folks:
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She was born in 1995 (that's, 3 years younger than me) but already the first Vietnamese to ever get work published in Jump and win a prize.
And her talent is amazing:
http://vnsharing.net/forum/showthread.php?t=28504 (art thread on a forum I frequent, which had more pieces than her deviantart )
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@The Sea. Wait what thread is that, I have to know. If she was complimented by Obata at 15 then she is a talent to look out for.
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Picked up the english edition of volume 4 yesterday. Man, the art quality is so much better than it is in the scans its ridiculous.
Its the volume where Trap gets serialized and the gang meets Aoki for the first time. I'd forgotten how cute her initial interaction were with Fukuda. Totally the whole opposites who respect each other thing going on. Very cute. I think I can keep shipping them, even if Hirimaru's life depends on her.
Also, there was one picture of Mashiro where his expression cracked me up and reminded me of Bobart. And now… my avatar had to change to reflect that.
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Bakuman is fun because it's getting more and more about funny expressions and less about plot development.
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But a large part of the appeal of the series was in them talking about the behind-the-scenes of story creation and art techniques and things that can be done to get better and better and the differences between different creative teams and the process.
Now the leads have sort of hit a place of "Competent geniuses who are consistently at the top and no longer have to try that hard". They didn't even defeat Nanamine's strategy, it just totally destroyed itself. Wacky Hirimaru hijinks are fun, sure, but its not the only thing I want out of this series.
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So my comic store FINALLY got a copy of the english edition of Volume 1 in stock… and considering I got volume 4 last week that means its probably been nearly a YEAR? Sheesh.
So rereading those early chapters, and its weird seeing how awkward all the characters are with each other initially... and the childhood marriage promise seems even MORE insane now than it did the first time around. Really shouldn't tie your personal lives and dreams into your careers that heavily kids.
The backstory on Mashiro's uncle really hit me this time around too. Really like a girl for years, talk to her all the time, but too embarrassed to admit anything? Yeah, I've been there...
Anyway, really interesting reading the earliest stuff again.
Oh, and chapter 130 is out out.
http://www.mangareader.net/bakuman/130! Hrm. Kaya is "sick" huh? I wonder if that was just a story excuse to get Mashiro to the reunion on his own, or if that'll be actually important later. Shujin DID mention starting a family a couple chapters ago, followed by an insistence that "no, its too early for that!" AND shes extra hungry at the end of the chapter? Yeah, I think she might be pregnant.
! I particularly loved the "outsiders" view of the comic world and Mashiro thinking to himself "well yeah I enjoy it, but it actually is a lot of work… I'm kind of chained to my desk and don't get weekends off." soooooo true. (Incidentally, this is why I can't stand the movie "Chasing Amy.")
! I completely feel Mashiro's pain and bit of regret on that one.
! Shame the Ahita no Joe references probably went right over the heads of every English reader here. Its a manga/anime classic and Bakuman has referenced it several times before (in the first volume I just re-read, in fact!). Its a boxing series about being a man and dedication to what you do well, and they're more or less directly quoting it for a few pages there. At the end of the series, Joe dies in the ring, and thats an incredibly iconic moment that gets homaged and parodied a lot, so... you might have seen the parody but not the original. Its a huge influential series in Japan, known as well as Gundam, and everyone there knows it, but here its going to be a completely meaningless sequence to most readers.
! Also at the end, the entire reason they didn't want to make PCP an anime finally comes into play. Well, at least that weak excuse is finally being played up properly... Maybe this'll force them to stop the book and have to start on the next thing finally? Though its gotta be crushing for it to (likely) have to end because of something like this.
! Though no ongoing series right when Kaya gets pregnant? Well, there can be some drama in that. -
! Man, this chapter got me thinking about how I haven't seen most of my highschool friends face-to-face since we graduated. The get-together was a rather sobering experience, especially when I saw that panel were Mashiro's all alone off to the side while he friends are making their vacation plans, and when I noticed that he was drawn with lined, tired eyes for the whole chapter.
! I guess this is going to be their ''out'' out of PCP. While it'll be good that the series will finally get out of the limbo it's fallen into, I can't imagine how horrible it must be to have to end your series over something like this.
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! This was a surprisingly good chapter. It was pretty interesting moment seeing Mashiro go to his reunion. Most people don't know how hard it is to be an artist it seems.
! It seems like Mashiro and Takagi are the main characters again. Yay.
! Oh man PCP is going to get all sorts of negative attention if Obha writes out the kind of media circus type of frenzy accurately. Really good cliffhanger. I'm very interested in seeing what happens next week now. -
This chapter was pretty good for the most part. Nice little gleam at the sacrifices one must make for his art.
However, the final plot twist at the end was BULLSHIT.
Sorry but my suspension of disbelief can only go so far even if it was hinted at in the beginning. So TV stations were worried that people might copy the manga and break into high security banks for no reason? UGH, yeah right. Something trivial or semi-serious at a school I would have believed but this!?! What a subtle way to justify that lame excuse guys!!!
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! Great chapter, made me interested in Bakuman again. The Ashita no Joe reference was really cool, and the cliff hanger throws a wrench into their plan of just kinda sitting along.
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Just caught up with the series. Started from chapter 1 on monday and got current on wendsday. Anyways, I wonder if this is actually enough to cancel PCP. It shouldn't be in the real world, but in the Bakuman world, who's to say?
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Whoa nice One Piece reference or more like Oda reference =). While I love how some mangas such One Piece are present in Bakuman universe, I am not sure how author will handle them in future. If One Piece is dominating jump charts at Bakuman and most of Bakuman mangakas strife for #1 spot I think sooner or later Bakuman has to introduce Oda (Bakuman version) more tightly to story line or One Piece will end there relieving #1 spot for the taking.
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@Thousand:
This chapter was pretty good for the most part. Nice little gleam at the sacrifices one must make for his art.
However, the final plot twist at the end was BULLSHIT.
Sorry but my suspension of disbelief can only go so far even if it was hinted at in the beginning. So TV stations were worried that people might copy the manga and break into high security banks for no reason? UGH, yeah right. Something trivial or semi-serious at a school I would have believed but this!?! What a subtle way to justify that lame excuse guys!!!
No, they weren't worried, someone went ahead and did it.
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No, they weren't worried, someone went ahead and did it.
My problem is that it's goddamn stupid. And the fact that Obata went THIS far in the plotkai to justify the executives' extremely weak excuse is just… really terribly bad. Even more so if they're gonna use this as an excuse to cancel the manga. Subtlety much?
Talk about jumping the shark and going over the river. I haven't seen such a crude, shoe-horned unnecessary plot twist like this since the Cait Shelter fiasco.
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Great chapter! In fact, the best chapter in a while!
Mashiro and Tagaki are finally the main the characters again. And this chapter seemed like "back to the roots"-chapter. Dunno, I just thought this chapter had the same atmosphere as the chapters of the first two volumes.
I really want to read Ashita no Joe, but I can't find it anywhere. I guess it's just too old. Some group should really start to scanlate it, or is it a very long manga?
The ending was great, too, things are getting really interesting.
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@Thousand:
My problem is that it's goddamn stupid. And the fact that Obata went THIS far in the plotkai to justify the executives' extremely weak excuse is just… really terribly bad. Even more so if they're gonna use this as an excuse to cancel the manga. Subtlety much?
Talk about jumping the shark and going over the river. I haven't seen such a crude, shoe-horned unnecessary plot twist like this since the Cait Shelter fiasco.
People imitate shit they see on tv and in books all the time. Especially kids and bored teenagers.
This happens all the time. In real life.
And it remains to be seen if this will actually force their series to end, or if its just going to be a problem they have to deal with.
It was always a legitimate reason to hold them back, it was just disappointing to us as an audience because we thought the leads were close to their dream… which in a way is good, because we feel what they're going through as a result and share in their dissapointment.
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This must be Nanamine's new method to beat PCP.
"Danger is my middle name."
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@RobbyBevard:
People imitate shit they see on tv and in books all the time. Especially kids and bored teenagers.
This happens all the time. In real life.
And it remains to be seen if this will actually force their series to end, or if its just going to be a problem they have to deal with.
It was always a legitimate reason to hold them back, it was just disappointing to us as an audience because we thought the leads were close to their dream… which in a way is good, because we feel what they're going through as a result and share in their dissapointment.
My problem isn't that that lame ass excuse is being justified. There were a far number of more sensible and reasonable methods to do that that I would have been fine with. Some fan always pulling PCP pranks causing a school fight, kids sneaking into school all the time getting on the nerves of the education board, some rich snob with a grudge (hey dogboy's mom would have been good) forming an army of soccer moms, ANY of these would have been believable and acceptable though a bit far-fetched but better than some fanboy breaking into a bank!!!
Do you know what a bank is? Do you think it's one sleepy old guard that has to look the other way to get past and you can take and leave whatever you want? My University has a tiny bank that really has no place being there being far away from any real customers and is really just there to serve students and faculty. To get in, there are two bullet-proof double-glazed glass doors where only one door can be open at a time and to get by them, you're buzzed in by an experienced, armed(a real gun, he showed it to me once) guard. And that's JUST the entrance. And this is just one small bank in a country with a GDP smaller than most major companies let alone Japan with money up its wazoo. Banks have a huge payload to anyone who can get inside and that's why they're so freakin' tough to break into. Fuck what Hollywood tries to shove down your throats. It takes a lot of time researching blueprints, scoping the place out, planning entry and exit points, getting the proper tools, devising SOME way to get past all the security (the really, really, really good security) and most of all, you need to be in a TEAM with individual skills specialised in hacking security codes, safe-cracking etc. It is NOT something some ONE random fanboy can just get up and imitate on the fly with resolve based on misguided admiration. Especially given the consequences. Whether you take anything or not, breaking into a bank is serious shit that can give you DECADES in prison. Which is why only the most cunning, resolved and ruthless deviants can try let alone pull it off.
"But who cares, it's not important to the story, bla bla"
I'm sorry but for a series that supposedly prides itself in being a realistic depiction it does matter and this is just TOO much to swallow. There were a number of subtler, more reasonable ways to give PCP a problem with it being published but THIS was not one of them. There's suspending your belief and there's just plain stupid.
I've never seen someone jump over a shark so high before.
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O&O should draw Oda, atleast once.
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@Thousand:
Do you know what a bank is? Do you think it's one sleepy old guard that has to look the other way to get past and you can take and leave whatever you want? My University has a tiny bank that really has no place being there being far away from any real customers and is really just there to serve students and faculty. To get in, there are two bullet-proof double-glazed glass doors where only one door can be open at a time and to get by them, you're buzzed in by an experienced, armed(a real gun, he showed it to me once) guard. And that's JUST the entrance. And this is just one small bank in a country with a GDP smaller than most major companies let alone Japan with money up its wazoo. Banks have a huge payload to anyone who can get inside and that's why they're so freakin' tough to break into. Fuck what Hollywood tries to shove down your throats. It takes a lot of time researching blueprints, scoping the place out, planning entry and exit points, getting the proper tools, devising SOME way to get past all the security (the really, really, really good security) and most of all, you need to be in a TEAM with individual skills specialised in hacking security codes, safe-cracking etc. It is NOT something some ONE random fanboy can just get up and imitate on the fly with resolve based on misguided admiration. Especially given the consequences. Whether you take anything or not, breaking into a bank is serious shit that can give you DECADES in prison. Which is why only the most cunning, resolved and ruthless deviants can try let alone pull it off.
Exactly. Thats why breaking into one is such a huge deal and such a perfect crime to aspire to.
It'd be kind of like hacking into the biggest electronics company in the world, getting 70 million credit card numbers, and forcing them to take down their online service around the world for two weeks. But of course, that's too far fetched to ever happen.
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And no fanboys have ever done anything absurdly crazy or against the law ever before.
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Do you know what a bank is? Do you think it's one sleepy old guard that has to look the other way to get past and you can take and leave whatever you want? My University has a tiny bank that really has no place being there being far away from any real customers and is really just there to serve students and faculty. To get in, there are two bullet-proof double-glazed glass doors where only one door can be open at a time and to get by them, you're buzzed in by an experienced, armed(a real gun, he showed it to me once) guard. And that's JUST the entrance. And this is just one small bank in a country with a GDP smaller than most major companies let alone Japan with money up its wazoo. Banks have a huge payload to anyone who can get inside and that's why they're so freakin' tough to break into. Fuck what Hollywood tries to shove down your throats. It takes a lot of time researching blueprints, scoping the place out, planning entry and exit points, getting the proper tools, devising SOME way to get past all the security (the really, really, really good security) and most of all, you need to be in a TEAM with individual skills specialised in hacking security codes, safe-cracking etc. It is NOT something some ONE random fanboy can just get up and imitate on the fly with resolve based on misguided admiration. Especially given the consequences. Whether you take anything or not, breaking into a bank is serious shit that can give you DECADES in prison. Which is why only the most cunning, resolved and ruthless deviants can try let alone pull it off.
Man, you act like this guy just did it on a whim one night because he was bored. How do you know that the perpetrator didn't do his homework and thoroughly studied the layout, security, and gathered as much information as he could beforehand? If he aspires to be like his favorite manga characters, that's probably what he would do. Just because your local bank is incredibly hardcore about that stuff, doesn't mean all of them are, because my local bank certainly doesn't have that level of security just to get in to see the teller.
And it's only a shark jump if the rest of the series suddenly takes a noticeable nosedive in quality. People throw that word around without knowing what it really means all the time.
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Online hacking is peanuts compared to breaking into a bank. Anonymous hackers could hack into the pentagon if they wanted with software they could buy online.
http://www.cdi.org/terrorism/cyberdefense-pr.cfm
You just sit in your chair and type all day. No pressure about being seen on security cameras or tripping off any blaring alarms that will hurt your ears. Not to mention how in your example and in mine, many, many people had to work together. ONE person with ZERO resolve (anyone who breaks into a bank just to satisfy a fan fetish has no resolve) is NOT capable of digging tunnels (which takes months) and/or disarming highly sensitive alarms, getting past pressure pads, cracking safe vaults (which is by far the hardest thing to do). It's beyond not feasible, past impossible, way above what dope you're smoking and straight into you're just freaking insane for thinking that, straight into the looney bin for you. It's way too unbelievable to swallow.
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And no fanboys have ever done anything absurdly crazy or against the law ever before.
Shooting John Lennon in the back is infinitely easy compared to breaking into a bank. Something that can be done on the spur of the moment powered by pure emotion.
Man, you act like this guy just did it on a whim one night because he was bored. How do you know that the perpetrator didn't do his homework and thoroughly studied the layout, security, and gathered as much information as he could beforehand? If he aspires to be like his favorite manga characters, that's probably what he would do.
For one thing, it's IMPOSSIBLE to do it on your own. And for another, breaking into a bank is so hard that it would quickly wash away any feelings of inspiration you might be feeling just at the first day of planning. Also I'm assuming a functional human being would not be dumb enough to risk getting ten years in prison.
Just because your local bank is incredibly hardcore about that stuff, doesn't mean all of them are, because my local bank certainly doesn't have that level of security just to get in to see the teller.
That's just going to the teller. We're expected to believe some random dude got past a ton of highly-sensitive security, opened an impenetrable vault guarded by the most advanced of computer codes and did this all without being detected. Next you'll be telling me it's easy for a random dude to plant a bomb under the president's pillow if he studies enough.
And it's only a shark jump if the rest of the series suddenly takes a noticeable nosedive in quality. People throw that word around without knowing what it really means all the time.
Jumping a shark is when something so unbelievable happens, it completely lowers the quality of the work. As far as I'm concerned this stupidity has completely lowered what I'm expecting from Obata from now on.
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