Go right ahead.
16 sacks of shit.
Go right ahead.
16 sacks of shit.
i don't know if someone already say it but the SW have been defeated in their order of appearence in the manga (or almost). Now we have zorro, usopp and nami (it's time for a flashback…or for buggy to comoback lol). But it's maybe just a coincidence
Yea it was mentioned few pages ago, but nice to see ppl who see beyond the pretty pictures.
Oh crap I just noticed that too, Brooke,Franky,Robin,Chopper,Sanji…it's going backwards!..Next to fall is Ussop!
Don't be kidding, Usopp got to throw the salt into Odz's mouth.
I'd love none of the last three to fall, they're the oldest Mugiwaras and oh, I'd like to see a duo Zoro/Usopp, but better than the catastrophe versus Jabura…
I agree ^^
A sniper/swordmaster combo would be awesome.
That's a generic statement, though. Moria could simply be referring to the reach that the stretching gives Odr.
No, it's not a generic statement.
It's a slightly altered quote from the Simpsons.
Is that when Homer imagines himself hanggliding and shooting at stuff below him?
what was the original quote?
Guy: This could increase your brain power, or possibly kill you.
Homer: Increase my killing power eh?
Hey guyz! I liek physicz too!
Maybe the shadow has potential energy and Moria does work on it so it can form into kinetic energy. Entropy is released from his fist which is what makes his punches so devastating, and since he can't feel anything since he's a zombie, the recoil, a result of Newton's third law, doesn't affect him. The S (Entropy) + U (Potential Energy) + Ek (Kinetic Energy) equals the willpower that gives Odz his strength…Per Kg of mass, of course.
I miss Pipboy so much right now http://smilies.newcastlebeats.com/smilies/hstear.gif
Pipboy? That guy who made the MACH SPEED Theory? :wassat:
@Kaimei-Karasuhebi:
Pipboy? That guy who made the MACH SPEED Theory? :wassat:
Well, the initial posts of the first two speed threads i know were from Limit_Tester but he and Pipboy form team Piptester of course :)
@Limit_Tester:
Combat Speed
Sanji: 1000 m/s
Zoro: 914 m/s
Luffy without gears: 1500 m/s
Luffy with gear second: 6000 m/sReaction Speed
Sanji: 3190++m/s
Zoro: 3219+ m/s
Luffy without gears: 5819- m/s
Luffy with gear second: 6000+ m/ssoru speeds:
Califa: 922 m/s
Fukuro: 1170 m/s
Kumadori: 1185 m/s
Blueno: 1200 m/s
Jyabura: 3190 m/s
Kaku: 3219 m /s
Lucci: 5854 m/sHxH
Killua
Reaction time: .000671 s
Reaction speed: 1490.313 m/s
Combat speed: 1192.25 m/sUbougin
Reaction time: .000278 s
Reaction speed: 3597 m/s
Combat speed: 2877.6 m/sZitoh
Reaction time: .000231 s
Reaction speed: 6493.506 m/s
Combat speed: 5194.805 m/s
With these numbers on the balls (839 m/s minimum), we can pin equally obscene reaction times on Usopp and chopper. The pathetic snivelling worms that they are these numbers have a magical ripple effect putting all of the previous speed feats in a believable context. The 1000 m/s that Pell was moving with the bomb in his talons to climb over 5 km in under 5 seconds. The Mach 3 that we calculated for Zoro much later on in the series all now seem perfectly in context. NO matter what you doubt these numbers cement beyond the shadow of a doubt that despite any and all protest however fast One Piece is going fucking fast.
Guy: This could increase your brain power, or possibly kill you.
Homer: Increase my killing power eh?
HA, that's a Classic.
Don't be kidding, Usopp got to throw the salt into Odz's mouth.
I'd love none of the last three to fall, they're the oldest Mugiwaras and oh, I'd like to see a duo Zoro/Usopp, but better than the catastrophe versus Jabura…
Shit man you got a sweet sig. Did you make that or was it a from something else?
Fire first ace, Gorlom: well.. the thing is, Luffy gains back that mass when his punches return to equilibrium right? Meaning his punches still does more power.
As in.. how to put this without all the physics terms.. Potential energy is sort of like the ability to do work. It's more of like "you get more out of it by putting more into it". Oz does work on his arms by stretching them all the way back. His body, on receiving instructions to return to equilibrium, thus uses the same amount of force as the one he had originally applied to pull his arm back to pull his fist back to equilibrium. Couple that with Oz constantly applying force on his fists in the return journey and you get a greatly accelerated hand coming right in your face, moving at a much faster pace than if the hand started accelerating from rest at the equilibrium position. So that's why Oz's stretching-only-due-to-Moria's-power doesn't really make a difference. His hand still begins from a further position, and is allowed to accelerate a greater distance to strike his enemies.
You know the equation F=ma right? Well if his hand moves at a faster velocity due to it having accelerated more, then the force applied to the hand when it is stopped because it meets his target is also greater because it undergoes a greater deceleration. By Newton's 3rd law, the hand that does the blow will apply an equal magnitude of force on the target object.
Anyway, to put in Odaverse (like you peeps like to call it) context, I doubt Oz would wanna stretch to attack Robin if the damage done wouldn't make any difference than if he had not stretched. You can't really say it's "instinct" to stretch since, i believe, Luffy's instinct to battle is greater than his instinct to merely stretch.
EDIT: Changed "Moria" to "Oz"
Maybe he's just drawing a zombie ogre giant with a manipulated shadow.
Maybe that's really all anyone really needs to know.
@Fire Fist:
That's a generic statement, though. Moria could simply be referring to the reach that the stretching gives Odr.
And Archtyrant, the whole point is that Odr's body is NOT elastic. Futhermore, because of the method of stretching that Moria provides, Odr's blows are actually weaker. It has less to do with the kinetic force and more to do with thinning out Odr's body, therefore providing less mass in the striking force. Although the reach is gained, the striking force is slightly lost.
It'll be just as dependent on t acceleration, Moria's shadow manipulation could simply provide more than Oz is innately capable of, just like with Luffy and his stretching powers, it'll just mean that pulling back is pointless (but he does have Luffy's shadow afterall, so it'll seem a lot less awkard and unnatural.). Though I don't see how stretching out his arms and not his fist would less the amount of mass they're hit with a whole lot.
I have to agree with FFA. Odz may be stretching but he isn't elastic. It's more like dough stretching, it's inelastic. Thus, there is no potential energy from his stretches. Odz is only given reach. Because of his mass and strength, he still does massive damage anyways.
I think the next chapter will be much much harder than this one. Maybe more opponents.
We still are not suffering hard enough.
Sorry to OT, but is it now permanently we are first having the spoilers wednesday? 'Cause they haven't been out on tuesday in a long time o.o…
Shit man you got a sweet sig. Did you make that or was it a from something else?
I made it ! I'm pretty proud of it because I just begin to understand how Photoshop works !
You can use it if you want, I won't keep it for a long time.
Forgive me if this is a dumb question, but when did his name centralize as Odz… i thought the katakana was オーズ (oozu)? Was "Odz" written somewhere in the manga?
Sorry to OT, but is it now permanently we are first having the spoilers wednesday? 'Cause they haven't been out on tuesday in a long time o.o…
Does it matter?
We all know whats going to happen.
Usopp will show us his new inventions called "rebuke bullets" and 2 mittens with 27 stiched on to them. He puts on the mittens and shoots himself with the bullets - enabling him to go into "hyper dying sniper mode". He beats odz, moria and kuma with ease now. After that, he leaves the crew to found a mafia organisation.[/sarcasm]
Lets hope the spoiler will be released today.. i cant wait to read what happens
Freedom: The Nameing faqs thread! it's all explained there.
Fire first ace, Gorlom: well.. the thing is, Luffy gains back that mass when his punches return to equilibrium right? Meaning his punches still does more power.
As in.. how to put this without all the physics terms.. Potential energy is sort of like the ability to do work. It's more of like "you get more out of it by putting more into it". Oz does work on his arms by stretching them all the way back. His body, on receiving instructions to return to equilibrium, thus uses the same amount of force as the one he had originally applied to pull his arm back to pull his fist back to equilibrium. Couple that with Oz constantly applying force on his fists in the return journey and you get a greatly accelerated hand coming right in your face, moving at a much faster pace than if the hand started accelerating from rest at the equilibrium position. So that's why Oz's stretching-only-due-to-Moria's-power doesn't really make a difference. His hand still begins from a further position, and is allowed to accelerate a greater distance to strike his enemies.
You know the equation F=ma right? Well if his hand moves at a faster velocity due to it having accelerated more, then the force applied to the hand when it is stopped because it meets his target is also greater because it undergoes a greater deceleration. By Newton's 3rd law, the hand that does the blow will apply an equal magnitude of force on the target object.
Anyway, to put in Odaverse (like you peeps like to call it) context, I doubt Oz would wanna stretch to attack Robin if the damage done wouldn't make any difference than if he had not stretched. You can't really say it's "instinct" to stretch since, i believe, Luffy's instinct to battle is greater than his instinct to merely stretch.
EDIT: Changed "Moria" to "Oz"
ok.. so rubber that is beeing stretched.. lose mass???? (or is it gains mass? i'm not entirely clear when luffys arms are supposed to gain mass or why) isn't it more a question about density? When did miss valentines arive at TB?
And is both Luffy and Oggy useing muscles they don't have? How can they use muscle force to retract their arms without bending them? (atleast I'v never seen the arms bend when they retract them.. except at the point in which the hands pass the shoulders.)
The event of rubber musles exacting force at the same time as stretching and retracting is so theoreticall that it is silly to discuss imo. How do you know how the different laws apply in a situation as this? wouldnt one be neglecteble due to the other (either the elasticity retracting or the muscles workingto pull the arm back)? i cant understand how they would stack.
And in Oggys case we have a 3rd factor. Oggys body beeing forced by the shadows.
I'm not agreeing with all your facts there.
Thanks Gorlom.
I just got done reading the name faqs. I'll be going with ocean's defn as this is how I originally thought it'd be written in english, or perhaps the オーズ directly :p but that could get painful to switch and type up each time. So Orz or Oozu will suffice for me.
Current Predictions for 478:
Zoro and Usopp will get nami to create a mist distraction and zoro will attempt to remove Orz's right arm, while usopp will use the huge bag of salt to purify Orz. At least, this is what i'd like to see :)
Well, like some said, the damage done by Oddz could be actually increased by the force applied by Moria's Shadow, wich as we have seen already, actually has the ability to do physical damage, but still, I doubt that Oddz has any other advantage over the bonus of Luffy's "Rubber recoil" besides the greater mass and the lack of a disadvantage at the moment of performing the atack like the slower motion of Luffy's Gear3.
Fire first ace, Gorlom: well.. the thing is, Luffy gains back that mass when his punches return to equilibrium right? Meaning his punches still does more power.
As in.. how to put this without all the physics terms.. Potential energy is sort of like the ability to do work. It's more of like "you get more out of it by putting more into it". Oz does work on his arms by stretching them all the way back. His body, on receiving instructions to return to equilibrium, thus uses the same amount of force as the one he had originally applied to pull his arm back to pull his fist back to equilibrium. Couple that with Oz constantly applying force on his fists in the return journey and you get a greatly accelerated hand coming right in your face, moving at a much faster pace than if the hand started accelerating from rest at the equilibrium position. So that's why Oz's stretching-only-due-to-Moria's-power doesn't really make a difference. His hand still begins from a further position, and is allowed to accelerate a greater distance to strike his enemies.
You know the equation F=ma right? Well if his hand moves at a faster velocity due to it having accelerated more, then the force applied to the hand when it is stopped because it meets his target is also greater because it undergoes a greater deceleration. By Newton's 3rd law, the hand that does the blow will apply an equal magnitude of force on the target object.
Anyway, to put in Odaverse (like you peeps like to call it) context, I doubt Oz would wanna stretch to attack Robin if the damage done wouldn't make any difference than if he had not stretched. You can't really say it's "instinct" to stretch since, i believe, Luffy's instinct to battle is greater than his instinct to merely stretch.
EDIT: Changed "Moria" to "Oz"
In the ecuation F=m*a F and a are considered variables, m is ever a constant.
If we reducee the acceleration then the forces will be reduced, if we increase the acceleration then the forces will increased. Obviously Luffy being an elastic being must have an elasticity constant and then the law that we must apply is:
F=k*x
Where k is the elasticity constant and x is the distance that the elastic is enlarged, in other words, Odz strenght isn´t more than Luffy strenght according to the physics laws.
Wow, heavy physics in a series where we have a talking skeleton, Uh…One Piece isn't that deep of a story.
That, I can't agree with. It's hella deep. But I agree, too many physics for a fight with a half-robot/half zombie giant that's controlled by a portly devil-large man hybrid who ate magical fruit.
Saying, "Wow, Diable Jambe was nice to see again" or "I wonder what will happen next, now that there are only three left" is just fine too.
@Impel:
But I agree, too many physics for a fight with a half-robot/half zombie giant that's controlled by a portly devil-large man hybrid who ate magical fruit.
But you do agree that whatever magical physics there are in this world they do exist, right?
I always wondered why Luffy's brain never came out when Blueno turned his head into a door. I mean, does the power of Blueno and Buggy comes with something like a "magical" gravity field or something like that?
WOW, some of y'all think to deeply about some stuff, it just a manga for goodness sake, get over it!
Lol.. ekk.. haha well it's fun to discuss the physics behind things. What's a forum for if not for discussing things eh?
haha I think most of you'll aren't really getting what i'm saying actually.. It's not really "elastic potential energy" at work here. I mean, "potential energy" just refers to the capacity to do work, which definitely is what Oz is using. I understand what you mean when you say "it's not really Oz who's stretching" so let me put this in another way:
Imagine a car. A really powerful car, like 6000 horsepower or something (i don't really know what 1 horsepower is defined as, but you get my point). Ok, now imagine the car straight in front of you, and, in another scenario, imagine the car a hundred metres away.
(Yes, Urian pointed out correctly that the real equation should really be d(mv)/dt, but since m, the mass, is a constant (provided you ignore mass lost due to petrol usage, which would be minimal in any case), the equation f=ma works perfectly fine in this case.)
Now, imagine the car that's right in front of you, starts its engine and exerts a constant force F in order to accelerate towards you. If the car is barely a metre ahead of you, sure, you might get quite badly hurt if the car were using full power in its acceleration towards you, but you're less inclined to lose your life in this incident. That is because the car, just directly ahead of you, doesn't have much room to accelerate to full speed to knock you over, thus the force it exerts on you wouldn't be too heavy. Now, imagine the car is a hundred metres away. It starts its engine and constantly exerts the same force F to accelerate towards you. Because F is a large force (it IS a powerful car), air resistance is negligible, and so all the while the car is increasing in speed as it moves towards you (lets assume you can't move from your position). When the car hits you, you're more than likely to die even if you've eaten Yomi fruit. That's because the car had enough distance and time to reach a very high speed before it collides into you.
Now use that same instance in Oz's punch. Even if it were Moria controlling Oz's arms backwards and then forwards, it doesn't nullify the fact that Oz had much more time to accelerate his punches than if he had just punched from where his shoulders were. In that way, his punches would be much more powerful.
So, elasticity doesn't really need to be applied here. Just plain Newton's laws of physics do fine. (if you're going to challenge me that Newton's laws don't hold with current general relativity or quantum physics, i'm going to have to forestall you by saying that, at this kinds of speed, they still do hold, and you can go consult your physics teacher if you don't believe me on that.)
So in your effort to be accurate as possible you're trying with all your might to apply physics to a comic but are simultaneously calling a character by a completely incorrect name?
But you do agree that whatever magical physics there are in this world they do exist, right?
Well, magical physics, of course. Like spinning makes your legs catch on fire and Moria's whole "Property of Shadow Shape" talk.
And Geg, what's wrong with calling Moria and Oz Moria and Oz?
So in your effort to be accurate as possible you're trying with all your might to apply physics to a comic but are simultaneously calling a character by a completely incorrect name?
I dunno why but i always get this feeling you're always trying to pick a fight with whatever i wanna say..
And What's wrong with calling Oz Oz? Are you going to ostracize me for not conforming with everyone?
Really regretful of any respect i might have had for you in the past.
EDIT:
Ok I just read your stuff on the "Character Names FAQ" so i just understood why you got so worked up. But at least say something like "go read CHARACTER NAMES FAQ" or something like that before you spew something and leave a bitter taste of " iwannapickafight" behind.
And, frankly speaking, I don't really care. I don't understand what's to get so worked up over some stupid character's name. Your saying that "Oz" totally sounds like "Odz" but the spelling means worlds apart hasn't bought me at all. If you ask me, I don't think Oda even cares how we spell his character's name, as long as we know who we are referring to. I think it's obvious enough to everyone that the "Oz" in One Piece is totally unrelated, idea not drawn from, "Oz" from the stupid wizard's world. If Oda wanted Oz to sound more like "Odin", he would have spelt "Odin" from the start and not "Oz", which sounds totally like "Oz" anyway. It'd be the same way he just called Bartholomew Bartholomew instead of shortening it to Bart or something.
But, since you are getting so worked up over it, then i'll make it a point to spell Oz as Odz next time. But i'm too lazy to change all my posts to "Odz" so i'll just leave 'em. Whatever, Odz it is then.
I dunno why but i always get this feeling you're always trying to pick a fight with whatever i wanna say..
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Um, who are you?
And What's wrong with calling Oz Oz? Are you going to ostracize me for not conforming with everyone?
Oh, I think anyone should call him what they want. I mean Oz is blatantly incorrect and I don't care if people want to avoid the indisputable fact that it is indeed incorrect, but attempting to discuss detail in the comic down to physics while ignoring said facts is amusing.
And conforming? Who's asking you to conform? I don't think I ever once said his name must be spelled a certain way. Simply that it is not 'Oz'. I mean if you want to 'fight the power', all well and good but…we might as well call the sky green and the ocean yellow.
I don't understand you. Odz can be Ouzu or Ozu or Orz or Onigiri but not Oz? As if anyone would mistake their Oz for some silly wizard. Seriously over-sensitive.
It's totally different from calling the sky "green" or whatever. It's more like arguing whether the sun should be coloured yellow or be left white in a piece of drawing; totally be left to individual perspective, and because of that, be respected and that, whatever the artist paints it, its audience shouldn't argue so much against it.
Odz can be Ouzu or Ozu or Orz or Onigiri but not Oz? As if anyone would mistake their Oz for some silly wizard. Seriously over-sensitive.
It's nothing to do with mistaking (although let's be serious, besides an HBO series, how many associations does 'Oz' have in the English language) Oz as a word exists in Japanese. It has been translated into Japanese and exists as a cultural icon in Japanese. And it isn't the character in question's name.
It's totally different from calling the sky "green" or whatever. It's more like arguing whether the sun should be coloured yellow or be left white in a piece of drawing; totally be left to individual perspective, and because of that, be respected and that, whatever the artist paints it, its audience shouldn't argue so much against it.
Okay, so you're free spirit. Blatantly ignore the author's intentions for your own opinions on what looks pretty on paper to you. Now I understand. I thought you were actually thinking seriously about what the author intended. In that case, in my best Billy Madison voice, "Proceeeed!"
Archtyrant: I'm not agreeing with that car analogy. We don't know how force is applied to the stretching punches. You just assume that some imaginary muscles are at work.
You also don't account for any resistance to the stretching.
Unknown factors in Odaworlds physics play apart here that I dont think we can figure out.
Everyone should just accept that Oggy is stretchging and that he is strong and that Luffy does the same thing. Then write an SBS question about it and make Oda explain himself.
(Btw: which post started all this? what was the point of that post?)
Greg: weren't you upset about people that acctually bothered to have an opinion about Oggys name calling him Oz? Archtyrant never argued about his name before this. Are you going to throw a fit everytime someone calls him Oz because they read that in some scanlations?
CLEVAR!
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@IT'S:
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That's not even a fair debate. An little Asian girl could argue/bring up facts the hell out of any animal.
But seriously, this is a pretty awful debate, Odz/Oz's name. I mean, if someone uses "Zolo" and someone makes a comment, boom, instant attack from everyone else.
So in your effort to be accurate as possible you're trying with all your might to apply physics to a comic but are simultaneously calling a character by a completely incorrect name?
I mean Oz is blatantly incorrect and I don't care if people want to avoid the indisputable fact that it is indeed incorrect, but attempting to discuss detail in the comic down to physics while ignoring said facts is amusing.
Okay, so you're free spirit. Blatantly ignore the author's intentions for your own opinions on what looks pretty on paper to you. Now I understand. I thought you were actually thinking seriously about what the author intended. In that case, in my best Billy Madison voice, "Proceeeed!"
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Greg: weren't you upset about people that acctually bothered to have an opinion about Oggys name calling him Oz?
I don't believe I've ever said such a thing. What I DID say was that intelligent people calling him 'Oz' bothers me.
Archtyrant never argued about his name before this. Are you going to throw a fit everytime someone calls him Oz because they read that in some scanlations?
Only if they have a brain on their shoulders.
I mean, if someone uses "Zolo" and someone makes a comment, boom, instant attack from everyone else.
Wooooah wooooah woah.
Who said anything else about any other name or new fans coming into the board? Particularly the Zolo thing? I never have cared about the Zolo thing from the very start. I would never attack anyone for using the term because it's an innocent mistake based on changes to the comic and animation.
Only long-time board members that should know better and have read thorough examinations of the topic irk me when they ignore the facts for something willingly made up on their own. There is a long reason why it bothers me but this isn't flashback time.
The Odz debate rages on and Anoited promotes some more posts just in case anyone cares.
Feels good being in the same ol' AP.
Anyhow, I'm really in agreeance with Greg, simpley for the mere fact that his understanding of Japanese far surpasses 90% of anyone here.
Shallow? Yes, but I'm sticking to it.
See the thing is, you don't even need to understand Japanese to appreciate this. His Japanese name is what Japanese people use as the reading for Odr.
They're literally calling him Odr in their language.
What more evidence is necessary right? Besides that, I've already proven time and again it isn't just Oz because of this:
You don't need to understand a lick of JP to see these things and understand them you know?
And even though this is biting, just look at his design. Yes, we've seen glints of a supposed eye from time to time, but his standard design even shows him missing an eye.
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Seriously, what else is necessary? Just boggles my mind.
Anyway, I should drop it. The only reason I let it bother me is because I don't want people making fanboy mistakes I made when I was a DB fanboy but I guess sometimes you just gotta let people make mistakes on their own.
‘I'll show you how to do something once, I'll help you if you mess up twice, but the third time you're on your own. 'Cause that's how it is in the world. ’
Yes, the name technically isn't even Odr, it's Óðr which we call Odr in English. The most accurate translation would be to call him Odr (either that or copy and paste Óðr everysingle time) .But then we'd completely lose the original pronounciation.
Yes, the name technically isn't even Odr, it's Óðr which we call Odr in English. The most accurate translation would be to call him Odr (either that or copy and paste Óðr everysingle time) .But then we'd completely lose the original pronounciation.
Hell
He's Odin
From the Norse Mythology, which was a north cold land
Unless he gets a spear and gets killed by a wolf I don't think this is gonna be more clear
Greg already showed you guys the eye patch issue