ID: what are you talking about on 3) and 4)? who are you responding to?
By SR does he/she not mean Rosward Sei?
The Inclusive Shabondy Rookies theories Thread
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@Impel:
By SR does he/she not mean Rosward Sei?
Nope, he means the Super Rookies.
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16 mistakes on my part
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In any case having SH fight people like SR at some later date would just waste time when they have the emporers, gods of pirate, and supreme admirals to deal with.
I didn't realize this serial was on any kind of deadline.
I'm like Hisotensoku: Not here to preserve peace, nor to destroy it. I certainly can't move mountains. Mostly, I'm just full of hot air.- Meh
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EDIT: yeah they have to end it in 10 years. :P
Anyways,
Law's smiley face looks awfully familiar.
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I'm like Hisotensoku: Not here to preserve peace, nor to destroy it. I certainly can't move mountains. Mostly, I'm just full of hot air.- Meh
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Somehow, I have this weird theory in my head that, besides the SHs, all the crews connected to a classic pirate will make it into the New World. (that means Bonney, Hawkins, Kid, Drake and possibly Urouge) Considering that every pirate-named character has had an important impact on the tale from Blackbeard to even Bellamy, Alvida and Yorki, these five just shout out "we will make it to the New World…or somehow have an important encounter prior to leaving the Archipelago."
Oh, and I see Scratchman Apoo eventually getting a cover-arc once his part in the story is over.
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I think Chapter 499 makes it clear that we're NOT having a Strawhat vs. Supernova Brawl Fest.
Some people say that the every heartbeat us the sound of god, kicking an angel, in the face.
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It's better this way. As awesome as it might have been, it's just plain ridiculous and reeks of bad story-writing. And it would waste all the potential character development for all these characters. I call a Luffy vs Kid and Zoro vs Killer though.
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i don´t think other characters won´t recognize the SH´s…
we already saw that most of them are informed (well,only those who we´ve seen in the last chap)
but it would be possible that one of the SHs start a fight with one of the other Rookies...Although i don´t think there are going to be big battles on the island (or perhaps we gonna see Rookies against Nobles + Admiral lol ) -
As it stands, it would be better for the rookies to help the SH and vice-versa until they get off this island. They may be rivals but most of them seem to still have their honor intact. (at least with those we've already seen encountering Zoro…can't say anything yet for Kid's group or Law)
Y'know, Negima WAS awesome…
For the first 18 volumes.
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Hacchan said that he knows Rayleigh so my theory is that Rayleigh is Jimbei.
Rayleigh Jimbei that sounds nice and i also think that he is the shadowed man who introduced devil Dias. -
I predict SH VS. SR faceoff, though thats pretty obvious.
I also predict the following match ups:
Capone vs. Chopper
Bonney vs. Nami
Hawkins vs. Zoro
Kid vs. Luffy
Apoo vs. Brooke
Drake vs. Robin
Urouge vs. Ussop
Killer vs. Franky
Law vs. Sanjithis is a completely nonsense…
the supernovas aren't a team, are simply 9 pirates...
except for Killer that is a Kidd's comrade, the other 8 have a crew, a ship...
why the hell they have to fight alltogether against the strawahats?!?in my opinion:
Apoo: basically a good character...
dangerous: 40%
interesting: 25%Kidd and Killer: the most evil in the supernovas, probably a crew of dirty bastards...
dangerous: 70%
interesting: 50%Bonney: mmm... nothing more than a Foxy or a Wapol with big boobs...
dangerous: 15%
interesting: except for breast... 15%Trafalgo Law: really interesting, i don't understand if he's really a doctor, or it is a nickname because in battle he's a bloody butcher.
dangerous: 70%
interesting: 65%Capone: boff, what the... it's really a supernova?!?
dangerous: 8%
interesting: 15%Hawkins: a strange character... i don't like him very much.
dangerous: 30%
interesting: 20%Drake: my favourite, a former marine officer with a mask...
dangerous: 65%
interesting: 90%Hurouge: from sky island... a dark monk... probably an evil guy...
dangerous: 55%
interesting: 40%...
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So why would a shikibukai help a pirate crew?
That doesn't make any sense. -
I predict SH VS. SR faceoff, though thats pretty obvious.
I also predict the following match ups:
Capone vs. Chopper
Bonney vs. Nami
Hawkins vs. Zoro
Kid vs. Luffy
Apoo vs. Brooke
Drake vs. Robin
Urouge vs. Ussop
Killer vs. Franky
Law vs. SanjiIt would make for one hell of a battle, but sadly it just doesn't make sense. The SH might take out Kid's crew, because they are obviously set up as evil, but I think they'll focus on kicking Tenryoubito and Marine butt.
My theory is not directly about those Rookies, but about another two. What if Ace and Blackbeard are in town right now? In the sector controlled by the WG. They were in the vicinity anyways and Blackbeard surely is on his way to Mary Joa to become one of the Shichibukai.
If the SH are to save Ace it should happen in this half of the Grandline and it would underline the future rivalry between Luffy and Blackbeard. Also I don't think any of the rookies is a real challenge for the SH.
I know bounties aren't powerlevels but if it wasn't for the bad publicity it would have given the WG Luffy's bounty and probably a couple of the others as well would have risen after defeating Moria. Meaning they are actually the favourite among the rookies. -
Apoo: basically a good character…
dangerous: 40%
interesting: 25%Kidd and Killer: the most evil in the supernovas, probably a crew of dirty bastards...
dangerous: 70%
interesting: 50%Bonney: mmm... nothing more than a Foxy or a Wapol with big boobs...
dangerous: 15%
interesting: except for breast... 15%Trafalgo Law: really interesting, i don't understand if he's really a doctor, or it is a nickname because in battle he's a bloody butcher.
dangerous: 70%
interesting: 65%Capone: boff, what the... it's really a supernova?!?
dangerous: 8%
interesting: 15%Hawkins: a strange character... i don't like him very much.
dangerous: 30%
interesting: 20%Drake: my favourite, a former marine officer with a mask...
dangerous: 65%
interesting: 90%Hurouge: from sky island... a dark monk... probably an evil guy...
dangerous: 55%
interesting: 40%...
Gold D. Roger, have to say you're pretty spot on with that analysis, Bonney's on par with Foxy, 'cept she might must be a D, Capone's got the lasting value of a mayfly, and Urouge's a nasty man.
Drake'll definatley get through to the new world, so will Bonney for sure, otherwise I'm not too sure, Kidd might take out one of the Supernovas, unfortunatley it might be Apoo, then I'm guessing as he's a bad guy, and has a higher bounty than Luffy will get nubbed sometime soon by the strawhats, otherwise I reckon most of the supernovas will get to fishman island at least, or if they are taken out will NOT be by strawhats in one on one battles, but by getting captured by bounty hunters or getting snatched up by marines just as the rest of the crews get their ships coated, now that'd be funny.
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I'm kind of thinking about some sort of confrontation between Strawhats and Kid's crew now. I can see either it being just Luffy and Zoro fighting Kid and Killer, or if Kid is like Luffy's crew and has people with bounties in his crew that just aren't at the 100 mil mark. I don't see a full every Strawhat has a fight type thing in his crew, but I see maybe 4-5 fights and either the other Strawhats don't encounter the Kid Pirates, or they take out a bunch of cannon fodder no name characters that are a part of Kid's crew because most crews aren't nearly as small as the Strawhats. With everybody all around on Shabondy, I guess it's hard to predict what will happen, but I'm sure there'll be at least a minor conflict other then kidnappers in this arc.
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Agreed completely. I was just about to say that, though in a much shorter way.
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Yeah, I was gonna pipe up a couple days ago about the whereabouts of Kid, Killer, Law and Drake, as they weren't in chapter 499, I'm just guessing that Apoo didn't fight Kidd in the end, and Kid and Killer are being matey-ish, and nasty elsewhere.
Probably the same with Law, he seems like a right cxnt.
Also, dya' think that Drake's threat level, and then therefore his bounty is higher as he's an X-Marine ('X' - I'm well witty.) So thereby a great threat that he left the life of Absolute Justice, for a life of Piracy??? That's a Thinker.
Also, seeing as Urouge and his Fallen Monks came from the Sky he's actually done well to get his bounty in the time he's spent on Government controlled waters, must've been quite nasty.
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I wonder how they're gonna translate Drake's name in Sweden. Dragon is named Drake here… ^^
Also, the only battle I would say is certain would be Luffy vs. Kid. And there's a chance it might be another Bellamy.
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I predict SH VS. SR faceoff, though thats pretty obvious.
I also predict the following match ups:
Capone vs. Chopper
Bonney vs. Nami
Hawkins vs. Zoro
Kid vs. Luffy
Apoo vs. Brooke
Drake vs. Robin
Urouge vs. Ussop
Killer vs. Franky
Law vs. SanjiBeen a while since I posted in this thread. Now seeing as we've seen most of the SR's powers and it seems even more obvious that there will be a fight between them and SH I've decided to update my predictions for the nine vs nine matchups:
Bonney vs. Nami
Hawkins vs. Zoro
Kid vs. Luffy
Apoo vs. Brooke
Drake vs. Sanji
Law vs. Robin
Urouge vs. Chopper
Killer vs. Franky
Capone vs. UssopThe only ones that I'm unsure of are the last three. Really Capone could be any of the last 3, while Urouge seems likely to face either Ussop or Chopper, and Killer I think only Franky is really suited, though it may be chopper.
How I see the battles:
Bonney vs. Nami - Women who can change her age vs. Women who can change her appearance to look a different age. Battle of the Ages! Maybe a Treasure Battle?
Hawkins vs. Zoro - Battle of the Second Strongest! Luck vs. Luck. The Man who takes no chances vs. the man who always takes his chances.
Kid vs. Luffy - Battle of the Strongest! Magnetic personality vs. Rubber personality?
Apoo vs. Brooke - Break Dance Fighting! Music Competion! Battle of the Musicians.
Drake vs. Sanji - Ultimate Prey vs. Ultimate Hunter! Which ones which? Hunting Battle!
Law vs. Robin - Battle of the Coolest! The man who can seperate anything vs. the women who can add herself to anything!
Urouge vs. Chopper - Scope Battle! The man who measures power through suffering vs. the one who measures it with understanding.
Killer vs. Franky - Weapons battle! What else can I say?
Capone vs. Ussop - Numbers Battle! Over 9000? or maybe 8000? The man who holds great numbers vs. the man who lies about his numbers.
Indeed these should be some intresting fights!
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I still don't see them all fighting. If anything some of the personalities fit quite nicely
ΩMEGA PIRATES: ? Members
Captain: Zkaiser
Status: Dejected.
Threat Level: Pink
Goal: Prove the Elemental Haki Theory
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@ThunderEarthFire - you still see each SH fighting against one of the rookie captains. this is similar to saying that each SH will fight a yonkou/admiral/shichibukai. i really doubt at this stage that the story will progress into the rookies battling each other. it seems things will end after the Kuma, Kizaru, and Axe guy (Sentoumaru ??? ) stuff.
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Somebody still hast he ridiculous idea that they're going to go 9 vs 9?
Not sure Bepo would take to kindly to anybody fucking with Law. Certainly not Robin.
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Been a while since I posted in this thread. Now seeing as we've seen most of the SR's powers and it seems even more obvious that there will be a fight between them and SH I've decided to update my predictions for the nine vs nine matchups:
Bonney vs. Nami
Hawkins vs. Zoro
Kid vs. Luffy
Apoo vs. Brooke
Drake vs. Sanji
Law vs. Robin
Urouge vs. Chopper
Killer vs. Franky
Capone vs. UssopThe only ones that I'm unsure of are the last three. Really Capone could be any of the last 3, while Urouge seems likely to face either Ussop or Chopper, and Killer I think only Franky is really suited, though it may be chopper.
How I see the battles:
Bonney vs. Nami - Women who can change her age vs. Women who can change her appearance to look a different age. Battle of the Ages! Maybe a Treasure Battle?
Hawkins vs. Zoro - Battle of the Second Strongest! Luck vs. Luck. The Man who takes no chances vs. the man who always takes his chances.
Kid vs. Luffy - Battle of the Strongest! Magnetic personality vs. Rubber personality?
Apoo vs. Brooke - Break Dance Fighting! Music Competion! Battle of the Musicians.
Drake vs. Sanji - Ultimate Prey vs. Ultimate Hunter! Which ones which? Hunting Battle!
Law vs. Robin - Battle of the Coolest! The man who can seperate anything vs. the women who can add herself to anything!
Urouge vs. Chopper - Scope Battle! The man who measures power through suffering vs. the one who measures it with understanding.
Killer vs. Franky - Weapons battle! What else can I say?
Capone vs. Ussop - Numbers Battle! Over 9000? or maybe 8000? The man who holds great numbers vs. the man who lies about his numbers.
Indeed these should be some intresting fights!
While I don't think there will be anything like that (all supernovas go and attack SH's at once), your matchups are pretty much what i was thinking. Though a couple I didn't have idea about like Zoro or Franky. But your luck theory is pretty neat.
Something like Hawkins says that Zoro has a 0% chance of winning, and Zoro is like I'll take my luck up on that. lol
But wanna fix something for ya. Sanji vs. Drake –-- Believe you mean Ultimate Predator vs. Ultimate Hunter. Not ultimate prey
Edit: also lol on reading earlier pages on people projections and guesses on what the rookies will do in admiral situation, or what their powers are ect.
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Yeah, i laughed too. We were so dumb.
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@ThunderEarthFire - you still see each SH fighting against one of the rookie captains. this is similar to saying that each SH will fight a yonkou/admiral/shichibukai. i really doubt at this stage that the story will progress into the rookies battling each other. it seems things will end after the Kuma, Kizaru, and Axe guy (Sentoumaru ??? ) stuff.
So what if they're captains? :wassat:
I don't see that making much of a difference. You say this is similar to "saying that each SH will fight a yonkou/admiral/shichibukai" but the powerof the SR isn't close to that of the yonkou/admiral and only a few are probably even close to being at the same level as Moria. The closest most of these guys come to being at shichibukai level is at Croc's level. I'd say that these captains are only a little above the level of the SHs.
@Ryuksgelus:Somebody still hast he ridiculous idea that they're going to go 9 vs 9?
Not sure Bepo would take to kindly to anybody fucking with Law. Certainly not Robin.
Comments like these just make me even happier at the thought of being proven right.
@Hinscher:While I don't think there will be anything like that (all supernovas go and attack SH's at once), your matchups are pretty much what i was thinking. Though a couple I didn't have idea about like Zoro or Franky. But your luck theory is pretty neat.
Something like Hawkins says that Zoro has a 0% chance of winning, and Zoro is like I'll take my luck up on that. lol
But wanna fix something for ya. Sanji vs. Drake –-- Believe you mean Ultimate Predator vs. Ultimate Hunter. Not ultimate prey
Edit: also lol on reading earlier pages on people projections and guesses on what the rookies will do in admiral situation, or what their powers are ect.
Your right, Predator was the word I was looking for, thanks. You know looking back at these pages a few people have claimed that they have no reason to want to fight each other. So I have a question now do you guys still think they won't have a reason to want to fight the strawhats afterall of this? I'd say they do, and that they will be out for revenge. Right now I'd say Kizaru has a "reason to leave SA" while the SH have a reason to stay on SA and the SR have a reason to fight. It's all coming together now, so just have patience. It will happen, eventually.
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So what if they're captains? :wassat:
I don't see that making much of a difference. You say this is similar to "saying that each SH will fight a yonkou/admiral/shichibukai" but the powerof the SR isn't close to that of the yonkou/admiral and only a few are probably even close to being at the same level as Moria. The closest most of these guys come to being at shichibukai level is at Croc's level. I'd say that these captains are only a little above the level of the SHs.Comments like these just make me even happier at the thought of being proven right.
Your right, Predator was the word I was looking for, thanks. You know looking back at these pages a few people have claimed that they have no reason to want to fight each other. So I have a question now do you guys still think they won't have a reason to want to fight the strawhats afterall of this? I'd say they do, and that they will be out for revenge. Right now I'd say Kizaru has a "reason to leave SA" while the SH have a reason to stay on SA and the SR have a reason to fight. It's all coming together now, so just have patience. It will happen, eventually.
So why will Law and Kidd fight the SH's before entering the New World? They were buddy-buddy just recently. There is, as of now, no reason for any of the rookies to want to gang up on the SH's. Some might fight them later or another reason, but to fight them because they summoned an admiral is the silliest reason for a fight. One Piece is all about being silly, but not when it starts to make a mockery of itself.
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i think one of the supernova will have a side story…
The next Nakama will be a parrot (?)
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So what if they're captains? :wassat:
I don't see that making much of a difference. You say this is similar to "saying that each SH will fight a yonkou/admiral/shichibukai" but the powerof the SR isn't close to that of the yonkou/admiral and only a few are probably even close to being at the same level as Moria. The closest most of these guys come to being at shichibukai level is at Croc's level. I'd say that these captains are only a little above the level of the SHs.I guess I phrased my argument poorly, so let me try to explain what I meant. It may or may not make a difference in your head.
@freedom:this is similar to saying that each SH will fight a yonkou/admiral/shichibukai
When I said this, this is what I meant. At the point in time when Luffy (not the SH crew) faces off against an Admiral/Shichibukai (again)/Yonkou, is your expectation that it will be Luffy vs. Said Opponent, or each of the SH members vs. Each of one of the powers. To me, it's pretty obvious that each member of the SH crew will never be in a victorious battle one on one with one of these powers.
There is one exception and this has been laid out blatantly for us, and that is Zoro is essentially comparable to Luffy.
Now, I'm not saying that these rookies are by any means equal to one of the great powers. However, neither are the SHs. Right now, Oda himself presented the rookies all being lumped together. He goes on to show us that 2 of the rookie captains have capable crews similar to the SH crew (Law and Kidd). He does not do this for other crews.
There's a reason why so many people group the SH crew into tiers, and there's a certain consistent with the rankings. Of course, there are differences here and there and personal preferences that individuals will have. However, there are members of the SH crew that would not be capable of captain'ing their crews and getting as far as the RL. Can you honestly tell me that all of the SH crew members could achieve this if they were their own captains with their own crews.
To me, you're ignoring the importance of why Oda makes a big deal out of there being 11 rookies who've fought just like the SHs to get this far. Yes, some of the crews rely solely on the strength of their captains, but you're implying that these same captains are fodder enough to be squashed by SH crew members.
Most important however, is that one-third of the rookies are now out of commission
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While I have a feeling that Kidd might become a villain later on, I'm also wondering about Hawkins.
His ability seems rather evil to me (possible voodoo I think) and he strikes me as more than just a future rival, like Kidd.
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Kizaru wants to capture Rufy Law and Kidd.
Let's do have almost the certainty that rufy will survive but the others 2?
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I doubt they will be sacrificed for the Mugiwaras. I especially do not expect the Heart / Kidd pirates to fall because of their crew. In particular, the Heart pirates because they just added another crew member to their rankings…...has that ever been done in OP yet? A serious adding of another character to a separate pirate crew?
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Straw Hats beat up Mecha Kuma and have enough steam to pick a fight with Kizaru. I can only say that similarly ranked crews will fare the same, even if the Straw Hats have a disproportionate number of officers. Why? Only four of the officers are really captain-class material, perhaps five at best. All the others are "true" officers and there's several of them in the Heart and Kid Pirates.
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My prediction:
Kizaru will go for the two bounty heads first, Law and Kidd, since they are on the same place.
The SH will fight Sentoumaru and his nakamas.
Trafalgar Law for Straw Hats!!
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I think Kidd and his crew have a good chance of making it out. The only other crew to have two Supernovas is [obviously] the Straw Hat crew.
Just like Luffy and Zoro, we have a captain and first mate pair of SN with Kidd and Killer. This stands out IMO and gives their crew a little more quality.
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My prediction:
Kizaru will go for the two bounty heads first, Law and Kidd, since they are on the same place.
The SH will fight Sentoumaru and his nakamas.
This sounds reasonable. Sentoumaru is definitely going to have a place somewhere, so either this or vice versa with Kizaru going after Luffy.
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In particular, the Heart pirates because they just added another crew member to their rankings…...has that ever been done in OP yet? A serious adding of another character to a separate pirate crew?
I don't know if you count but the only example I can think of is Alvida joining Buggy's crew
"The Accumulated Filth of All Their Sex and Murder Will Foam Up About Their Waists and All the Whores and Politicians Will Look Up and Shout "Save Us"…and I'll Look Down and Whisper "No"." - Rorshach
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I don't know if you count but the only example I can think of is Alvida joining Buggy's crew
I suppose that does indeed count, if only pushing my theory further since we all know Buggy will remain somewhat important.
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Who the hell is 'Rufy'? Learn to spell it correctly
My prediction: Kizaru will have wasted so much time with the cannon fodder supernovas that by the time he's able to corner Law/Kidd/Luffy, Garp and/or Whitebeard will show up
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Who the hell is 'Rufy'? Learn to spell it correctly
Different languages / translations. Ease up man. Correct it if you are quoting him and make it subtle or don't do it at all. And edit your posts rather than double posting.
I also think it is possible that Kizaru will run out of time though.
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This sounds reasonable. Sentoumaru is definitely going to have a place somewhere, so either this or vice versa with Kizaru going after Luffy.
But if Kizaru will go after the SH, then SH should take some casualties. I can’t imagine none of them will die once Kizaru showed up to them. Otherwise, Oda's strong projection of an admiral will be worthless. That’s why I feel kizaru will go to finish off Kidd and Law first, giving the SH ample time to defeat Sentoumaru before finally being able to hide (well, assuming Kidd and Law will put a good fight against Kizaru). Well, if eventually the SH will meet Kizaru, I think Oda will reserve that for the last part of Shabondy arc. Who knows? The SH might actually defeat Kizaru. But I doubt it. Most probably someone will show up to stop Kizaru from finishing off the SH. It’ll be exciting if it’s Dragon.
Trafalgar Law for Straw Hats!!
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Haha, looking at the start of the thread it reminds me of all those fucking retarded people who thought the SN and the SH would fight.
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But if Kizaru will go after the SH, then SH should take some casualties. I can’t imagine none of them will die once Kizaru showed up to them. Otherwise, Oda's strong projection of an admiral will be worthless. That’s why I feel kizaru will go to finish off Kidd and Law first, giving the SH ample time to defeat Sentoumaru before finally being able to hide (well, assuming Kidd and Law will put a good fight against Kizaru). Well, if eventually the SH will meet Kizaru, I think Oda will reserve that for the last part of Shabondy arc. Who knows? The SH might actually defeat Kizaru. But I doubt it. Most probably someone will show up to stop Kizaru from finishing off the SH. It’ll be exciting if it’s Dragon.
I don't think so.
Mugiwara already got trashed by Kuma on TB, I don't think Oda will make them lose once again, it would be pathetic. So maybe it will only be a survival fight, or they manage to somehow defeat Kizaru, but I don't see them being saved in extremis by a big gun. -
Different languages / translations. Ease up man. Correct it if you are quoting him and make it subtle or don't do it at all. And edit your posts rather than double posting.
Jesus christ shut the hell up.
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@Deltron:
Jesus christ shut the hell up.
what did he do? the other guy was being a douchebag and he was explaining
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I for one think Kizaru goes after Kid, solely for the fact that Kid and Killer have a higher bounty than Luffy and Zoro
Sentomaru is either for Law or the SH's, I can't decide. But I would guess SH's since what else could the SH's be doing while the remaining SN's are fighting?
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I don't think so.
Mugiwara already got trashed by Kuma on TB, I don't think Oda will make them lose once again, it would be pathetic. So maybe it will only be a survival fight, or they manage to somehow defeat Kizaru, but I don't see them being saved in extremis by a big gun.yeah right,they were already "half-dead" and Luffy was KO - what do you think you can do in that situation with a Shichibukai at the class of Kuma?
And I really have no idea how they´re gonna get away form KiZaru - a scenario would be WB arriving earlier than expected and he has to retreat…Of course only after Sentomarou is trashed by SHs (perhaps,dunno how strong he is)
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a scenario would be WB arriving earlier than expected and he has to retreat…Of course only after Sentomarou is trashed by SHs (perhaps,dunno how strong he is)
I think that after a long cat and mouse game, Kizaru is going to turn it over to Garp once he arrives and Rayleigh will step in and hold off Garp while the SH deal with Sentamarou.
