I don't think the SH's will find out about Ace's imprisonment untill they enter the New World and I'm guessing Shanks will be waiting for them once they do.
So, Ace is [Spoiler~!], but now what!
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@Pirate_King_Sage:
The story can go anywhere at this point. Oda could leave us wondering what's going on with Ace as he proceeds to continue the SH adventure, he can have them divert to Impel Down, or he can concentrate on how the other D's bust down a major government facility, thus brining more hate upon Dragon as if this was something of the revolution and swing in that direction.
There are so many speculations at this point that all we can do is wait to see what Oda has in store for us, but I am damn sure it's gunna be some hot shit!
Dragon, eh…...? Why didn't I think of that?
With all of the Whitebeard/Blackbeard hype concerning Ace/Blackbeard's encounter, I didn't even think that Dragon might interfere.
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Dragon, eh…...? Why didn't I think of that?
With all of the Whitebeard/Blackbeard hype concerning Ace/Blackbeard's encounter, I didn't even think that Dragon might interfere.
I've been thinking about the possibility for a great alience too. I mean WB, Shanks and Luffy want Ace out of prison and Dragon certainly won't oppose anything against the WG stronghold Impel Down. As good a reason as any for an allegiance. I don't think it will happen though because it would be too fanservice and too much at once. Luffy should meet those three separately.
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on the newspaper and if they get it or not: let´s all agree that they will receive it if oda thinks it´s necessary for the plot to develop. they won´t receive it if oda doesn´t want another rescue arc, because there´s NO WAY he could explain that luffy continues his journey if he hears about his brother´s imprisonment.
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Dragon's gonna wait until all the people have attacked each other and are weakened.
Then he'll pounce
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on the newspaper and if they get it or not: let´s all agree that they will receive it if oda thinks it´s necessary for the plot to develop. they won´t receive it if oda doesn´t want another rescue arc, because there´s NO WAY he could explain that luffy continues his journey if he hears about his brother´s imprisonment.
Sure there is: if Luffy can't get an eternal pose for any island connected to the seatrain network there is nothing he can do.
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Sure there is: if Luffy can't get an eternal pose for any island connected to the seatrain network there is nothing he can do.
i really respect your opinion, but i believe it won´t be possible to write luffy in character if it goes like this:
"luffy we can´t rescue your brother because we have no EP."
"ok, nevermind."
it´ll be more like "i don´t care what hell i have to go through, but i won´t stop until i got my brother back, no matter what."
any other response by luffy would be totally out of character, IMO. don´t you think?
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Yes, that is pretty out of character.
I never said he would just give up when hearing about no EP, but the fact remains he cant do shit unless he can go backwards in the GL. And after a little argument with the crew Nami/Sanji/zoro beats some sense into Luffy and they continue on their way.
Perhaps Usopp gets an opportunity to comment on how they left Merry and that it is now Luffy's turn to leave Ace or something? (yeah I know, that is a REALLY shitty idea =P) -
Usopp would sound like a complete jerk if he did say something like that.
If anything, I expect Luffy to surprise everyone by not caring. After all, it's not like he's Ace's mom or anything like that, plus both of them acknowledged each other's aspirations back when Luffy refused to join WB's crew and Ace told him he was going to make WB the pirate king.
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I've been thinking about the possibility for a great alience too. I mean WB, Shanks and Luffy want Ace out of prison…
Whitebeard and Shanks are at a bow tie party live and direct they are at each other necks. I see no alliance from them nor do I see a rescue arc happening.
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Whitebeard and Shanks are at a bow tie party live and direct they are at each other necks. I see no alliance from them nor do I see a rescue arc happening.
Shanks doesn't want Ace out of prison
He just didn't want BB to get a promotion based on taking Ace down. While, I'm sure he's not thrilled about the prospect, I don't think he would risk his crew to strengthen another Yonkou
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The only in-character response I can imagine for Luffy not wanting to go and rescue Ace would be his whole "I believe in my nakama/brother/etc, he can take care of themself, he'll get out of there" mindset. (unlikely as that may be in this case)
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This could end up as a setup for a Luffy vs. Ace fight.
Ace busts out himself, then catches up with Luffy who (somehow) found out about the whole thing and didn't turn back because either he couldn't or he didn't want to. After Ace finds out he knew, he becomes totally enraged and challenges Luffy. Luffy wins, finally surpassing his older brother and proving he can stand on his own 2 feet. Ace says something to the extent of having bad luck for losing 2 fights in a row and goes to rejoin Whitebeard (or avenge him, if anything happens.)
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I think Blackbeard could still have seen a chance of making Ace his Nakama. But I'm not sure about that "Smiling Theory", my Avatar is this last moment of Ace. He's smiling, okay. But will he still be smiling when he sees Whitebeard or Shanks the next time? I mean he lost. (But Ace is still the best=3)
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Laffy received a piece of paper or some thing like that from Ace and he kept it in his hat. Is it possible that the piece of paper would connect Luffy with Whitebeard?
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Laffy received a piece of paper or some thing like that from Ace and he kept it in his hat. Is it possible that the piece of paper would connect Luffy with Whitebeard?
Laffy Taffy, I bet that Dragon will try to steel the paper from Luffy. It's important in some way, and they will battle over it.
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@Lobster:
Laffy Taffy, I bet that Dragon will try to steel the paper from Luffy. It's important in some way, and they will battle over it.
Don't you think he will just iron it instead?
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This could end up as a setup for a Luffy vs. Ace fight.
Ace busts out himself, then catches up with Luffy who (somehow) found out about the whole thing and didn't turn back because either he couldn't or he didn't want to. After Ace finds out he knew, he becomes totally enraged and challenges Luffy. Luffy wins, finally surpassing his older brother and proving he can stand on his own 2 feet. Ace says something to the extent of having bad luck for losing 2 fights in a row and goes to rejoin Whitebeard (or avenge him, if anything happens.)
I really must say that, lacking any visible hints of sarcasm, this post makes me sad. :sad: C'mon Aceburner…
But I'm not sure about that "Smiling Theory", my Avatar is this last moment of Ace. He's smiling, okay.
Good point. I'll tell that to my brother.
But as for the reaction of Luffy and the others… didn't it even say in the narration box that the fight would trigger an event that would change the world or something? That suggests to me that major shit is gonna go down when Whitebeard hears about it, or Luffy for that matter.
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@indigo~ink:
The only in-character response I can imagine for Luffy not wanting to go and rescue Ace would be his whole "I believe in my nakama/brother/etc, he can take care of themself, he'll get out of there" mindset. (unlikely as that may be in this case)
That's pretty much what I was thinking. Ace in Luffy's eyes is a grown ass man leading this own life, and is strong enough to care for himself. Impel Down isn't going to kill Ace, so I really don't see why Luffy would rescue him. After all, Ace has the Whitebeard pirates as nakama, so instead of interfering himself maybe Luffy would let Ace's own crew take care of him?
Also, about the newspaper for last page or so, doesn't Nami get one on a regular basis?
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A fishman will take Luffy as a pet and during training to make him housebroken Luffy will spot the article about Aces capture.
=P
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I wonder if Luffy will eat a fishman.
Because they aren't human.
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I really must say that, lacking any visible hints of sarcasm, this post makes me sad. :sad: C'mon Aceburner…
To each their own, Wolfpox. I admit it does sound pretty corny, though.
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Shanks doesn't want Ace out of prison
He just didn't want BB to get a promotion based on taking Ace down. While, I'm sure he's not thrilled about the prospect, I don't think he would risk his crew to strengthen another Yonkou
Yep, I was telling the member who said Shanks wants to ally with Whitebeard so they could save Ace. Shanks is worried about Blackbeard more than anything right now.
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I say Luffy will save Ace with the help of Jimbei's prototype of a Time Machine. Then, after using the Space Pirate Machine, Luffy will screw up with time, triggering the so called "Great event".
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Shanks was worried about Ace not being ready to fight BB. If you all recall "Ace is strong, I know, but with that trust and responiblity now is not the time to pitch the two against each other". He most likely knows Ace could beat have beaten BB, but not at this point in time, Ace needed more time before facing him.
I doubt Shanks even knew the details of BB's plan, all he seems to know is where BB wants to be in the end and that BB will set off when he is ready.
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rmb hogback say the WG got a trump card now that ace is in their hands . maybe they can used it to threaten WB to attack or break off with shanks ? or cause dispute among them ? then dragon come in to stop the 2 of them ?!
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I still stand by my brainwashing theory.
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Perona will save Ace and everyone at Impel Down.
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With the new revelation that Ace is dying in Impel Down, this thread takes a new twist.
I am extremely interested in what the next chapter will tell us about Ace, and I suspect that we will actually see him inside Impel Down, now that the Thriller Bark arc is finished. Oda will take the opportunity to show us more of the "world", I believe, and fill us in with what's going on with Blackbeard, etc.
How exciting~!!
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I had thought that luffy would be all "He's strong, he can take care of himself" but with this news that he is dying, I can't see Luffy brushing it off like that anymore. Can not wait to see what happens.
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Well, Luffy should be able to go save him now that he knows that the paper given to him by Ace is a "Biblicard," and that it is always pointing towards Ace, and when it burns out, he is dead…
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Might not really be Aces biblicard (although the image behind it on the last page is suggesting it), it could be Whitebeards or some else close to Ace.
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Gorlom, I see where you're coming from, but why the hell would Ace want to lead Luffy to anyone other than himself? xD
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In case Luffy has to knock some common sense on Whitebeard's Old Self…
But seriously, I bet the WG already knows of Biblicards and will just lure Whitebeard/Luffy......
Of course, only Luffy would be reckless enough to run into an ambush.
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Then exclaim how cunning an ambush it was. Well, he and Ussop, of course.
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not before getting beaten down to dust by Nami's fist of love
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@Kaimei-Karasuhebi:
not before getting beaten down to dust by Nami's fist of love
Mayor Wood Slap?
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I'd love to see Woop Slap interact with the crew. It'd be most hilarious.
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Behold, my near perfect theory(that was posted in the 489 thread but ignored :sad:). I believe the SHs will all agree to go find Ace but once they find out he's in Impel Down they'll realize they may need some help. Then they'll go to Fishman Island to get help in getting to the underwater prison. Their search will lead them to befriend a fishman/fishwoman and he/she will help them get into the prison. Or they could run into WhiteBeard and he'll end up being the one to help Ace. Start beholding!
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I also have a theory. Luffy follows the biblicard Ace gave to him, and finds Ace in Impel Down and rescues him. Since Crocodile, Das Bones, Bon Clay and Mr. 3 are supposedly there as well, I think Luffy's going to encounter them. Similar to Luffy's encounter with Buggy in Loguetown, just different. Once the SH are ready to get to the next island, they realize it's no longer Fishmen's Island, but Mariejoa. They crash through the Mariejoa, and into the New World(if it's possible to enter the New World that way).
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Nah, Fishman Island is a definate. I just wonder what'll happen. Luffy will either try to save Ace, or leave him believing that his brother will not die (due to the promise). Something will happen in the next two chapters that will sway his decision one way.
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I also have a theory. Luffy follows the biblicard Ace gave to him, and finds Ace in Impel Down and rescues him. Since Crocodile, Das Bones, Bon Clay and Mr. 3 are supposedly there as well, I think Luffy's going to encounter them. Similar to Luffy's encounter with Buggy in Loguetown, just different. Once the SH are ready to get to the next island, they realize it's no longer Fishmen's Island, but Mariejoa. They crash through the Mariejoa, and into the New World(if it's possible to enter the New World that way).
SH's going to Impel Down is just crazy, 1st, Lola already stated that the biblicard ONLY WORKS IN THE NEW WORLD, so they cannot, I repeat, CANNOT, get to him now, leave that for Whitebeard, you actually think Whitebeard is just gonna seat around while Ace is locked up, remember, THE GREAT INCIDENT, hell will probably break lose while the SH's are at Fishmen Island, and Luffy will probably come back and clean it up, (beat BB ass, well, somewhat, remember, he did hurt Shanks), anyway, the SH's aren't gonna save Ace, thats too dumb, remember, Impel Down has all that seastone, and crap, and they can't get to it anyway, the Log thing is LOCKED onto Fishmen Island, so Ace will just have to get his ass beat for a while, anddddddddddddddd thats it for now!
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I say WB goes to rescue Ace, but when he gets to his Cell, he finds BB, who kicks his ass.
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I think the SH´s meet Lola´s Mama, who is one of the four Yonkou.
She will be a great part in helping Ace. Moreover BB kills WB, so Ace is on his own. The SH´s are heading towards Ace in a special underwater-tunnel.If Ace was free without somebody dieing, i think it wouldnt be "a great incident".
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I don't think any of the Yonkou are women, since they all look very, well, masculine, and we already know two of them are men and one of the silhouettes has a mustache.
And if there was a whole thing with just WB's crew going to get Ace and not involving the SHs, although they may watch it or hear about it, that would be okay/somewhat epic. I still think that the best-case scenario is that Impel Down is in the New World or near Gyojin Island so they can stay on track as well as save Ace. Getting Ace might also save them when they enter the New World, since he's part of the strongest crew.
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SH's going to Impel Down is just crazy, 1st, Lola already stated that the biblicard ONLY WORKS IN THE NEW WORLD, so they cannot, I repeat, CANNOT, get to him now, leave that for Whitebeard, you actually think Whitebeard is just gonna seat around while Ace is locked up, remember, THE GREAT INCIDENT, hell will probably break lose while the SH's are at Fishmen Island, and Luffy will probably come back and clean it up, (beat BB ass, well, somewhat, remember, he did hurt Shanks), anyway, the SH's aren't gonna save Ace, thats too dumb, remember, Impel Down has all that seastone, and crap, and they can't get to it anyway, the Log thing is LOCKED onto Fishmen Island, so Ace will just have to get his ass beat for a while, anddddddddddddddd thats it for now!
It was cleared up that the biblicard does infact work everywhere, it's just that it only exists in the New World.
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Well I think in One Piece are many Characters, who are men, but their silhouettes could be women, too. I think that isnt the problem.
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I actually like the theory of WB going to save Ace but meets up with BB instead. Then they duel, WB dies while Ace escapes, and Ace joins Luffy's crew til he can get revenge against BB.
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I actually like the theory of WB going to save Ace but meets up with BB instead. Then they duel, WB dies while Ace escapes, and Ace joins Luffy's crew til he can get revenge against BB.
I can't see that happening. Luffy has always competed with his brother, so it'd be weird to have him on the crew. They've got their own seperate lives in the pirating world, and have both progressed in different ways. Luffy has his own crew and Ace is part of his own. It'd be weird for Ace to travel with Luffy.
Also, I'm almost 100% sure that Luffy will meet Whitebeard in the future, and really impress him with the Gold Roger-type spirit. Then, before Whitebeard is killed by Blackbeard, he will give off a little speech about how he understands Shanks' feelings towards the next generation and how Luffy will be the Pirate King, not Blackbeard. I think that's possible to happen, and I like it.