@MetaMario Lucci had quite a few scenes pre-cutaways. He also had one of the few fights that wasn't mostly off-screened back then.
Official Egghead Thread
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@MetaMario said in Official Egghead Thread:
lucci above nami AND zoro????
The count is up to chapter 1111, which was the last time Lucci (and Borsalino) appeared. With the exception of those two and Sentomaru, everyone's numbers improved a bit.
Not that it matters that much. Nami might have been in more panels, but she hardly did anything with that screen time. -
So yeah, looks like this arc is ending next chapter or so, unless the Egghead Incident has yet to happen of course.
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@Daz said in Official Egghead Thread:
Wow at the sheer chasm between Luffy and other crewmembers. Or was this always the case. I'm astounded Usopp has that many panels, and being a Brook fan continues to be suffering
It's been like this for a while.
Series-wise, Luffy alone has over twice the appearances of the 2nd most featured character (Nami).
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I wonder if now that Franky is the one getting the most screen time besides Luffy, Oda will finally give him a proper bounty raise instead of keep going with the gag that the Marine fails to recognize him. Unlike Chopper's, it not like this gag is even acknowledged by the fanbase.
Had him been given a proper raise in Dressrosa and Wano (instead of the standard raise given to the crewmembers who didn't contribute to the action), his bounty would probably be similar to Robin instead of being closer to Nami.
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@access-timeco said in Official Egghead Thread:
I wonder if now that Franky is the one getting the most screen time besides Luffy, Oda will finally give him a proper bounty raise instead of keep going with the gag that the Marine fails to recognize him. Unlike Chopper's, it not like this gag is even acknowledged by the fanbase.
Had him been given a proper raise in Dressrosa and Wano (instead of the standard raise given to the crewmembers who didn't contribute to the action), his bounty would probably be similar to Robin instead of being closer to Nami.
I think Franky's problem is that he has never done anything particularly standout-ish. Robin's bounty comes mostly from her status as scholar that now other pirates are also after, so there's naturally a higher demand from the WG so they don't lose on her. Same for Usopp, who was painted as the mastermind of the Dressrosa rebellion and acknowledged by Doflamingo as such. Even Bonney will probably reach the billions now for being the Queen of Pacifistas.
He contributes a lot to many arcs, but you can say the same for the other SH. Firing a laser on Saturn is not the thing that will suddenly make him worth that much, especially since the other SH also fought him briefly.
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Nah, there is definitely a gag about him not getting a proper bounty, it's just very poorly executed.
If you look at Dressrosa, every character who was part of the action (Luffy, Zoro, Usopp, Sanji and Robin) got proper raises while the ones who didn't get part of the action got a standard 50 million raise. Despite getting his own 1x1 against and officer, Franky came out with the same 50 million standard raise as Nami and Brook - and based on the bounty picture, that was because the Marine thought the Franky Shogun was Franky (and he didn't appear in this arc).
Then in Wano, again, every SH who got a fight got a proper raise (Luffy, Zoro, Sanji, Robin and Jinbe) while every SH who didn't got a standard 300 million raise (Nami, Usopp and Brook). And again, despite having his own 1x1 against an officer Franky came out with the 300 million standard raise - this time the Franky Shogun fought, but this time the Marine thought he was the ship.
Now that I think about it, this probably means in the next big arc he will weaponize the Sunny...
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@access-timeco said in Official Egghead Thread:
Nah, there is definitely a gag about him not getting a proper bounty, it's just very poorly executed.
If you look at Dressrosa, every character who was part of the action (Luffy, Zoro, Usopp, Sanji and Robin) got proper raises while the ones who didn't get part of the action got a standard 50 million raise. Despite getting his own 1x1 against and officer, Franky came out with the same 50 million standard raise as Nami and Brook - and based on the bounty picture, that was because the Marine thought the Franky Shogun was Franky (and he didn't appear in this arc).
Then in Wano, again, every SH who got a fight got a proper raise (Luffy, Zoro, Sanji, Robin and Jinbe) while every SH who didn't got a standard 300 million raise (Nami, Usopp and Brook). And again, despite having his own 1x1 against an officer Franky came out with the 300 million standard raise - this time the Franky Shogun fought, but this time the Marine thought he was the ship.
Now that I think about it, this probably means in the next big arc he will weaponize the Sunny...
Having an own 1x1 does not mean much. Nami was more or less credited with taking down Ulti (since CP0 was monitoring everything without context), but that didn't warrant a special raise. And it's not like Franky or the Shogun weren't clear for everybody to see.
Luffy, Zoro, Sanji, Jinbe and Robin all have special things about them that warrant their increases besides fighting prowess. Like Oda said once, it's very difficult to gauge an individual pirate's strength, so they have to take in account other data like influence and recognition. Franky is not a former Warlord like Jinbe, or a scholar like Robin, or a Vinsmoke like Sanji, or a Worst Gen like Zoro. He's just the crew's shipwright for now.
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I think it's much simpler than that.
Every character who went to Dressrosa got a proper raise. The ones who didn't got a standard raise. Except Franky.
In Wano, every character who got a 1x1 fight got a proper raise. The ones who didn't got a standard raise. Except Franky.The bounty posters explain why: the Marine is always looking for him in the wrong body.
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@King-Cannon said in Official Egghead Thread:
@access-timeco said in Official Egghead Thread:
Nah, there is definitely a gag about him not getting a proper bounty, it's just very poorly executed.
If you look at Dressrosa, every character who was part of the action (Luffy, Zoro, Usopp, Sanji and Robin) got proper raises while the ones who didn't get part of the action got a standard 50 million raise. Despite getting his own 1x1 against and officer, Franky came out with the same 50 million standard raise as Nami and Brook - and based on the bounty picture, that was because the Marine thought the Franky Shogun was Franky (and he didn't appear in this arc).
Then in Wano, again, every SH who got a fight got a proper raise (Luffy, Zoro, Sanji, Robin and Jinbe) while every SH who didn't got a standard 300 million raise (Nami, Usopp and Brook). And again, despite having his own 1x1 against an officer Franky came out with the 300 million standard raise - this time the Franky Shogun fought, but this time the Marine thought he was the ship.
Now that I think about it, this probably means in the next big arc he will weaponize the Sunny...
Having an own 1x1 does not mean much. Nami was more or less credited with taking down Ulti (since CP0 was monitoring everything without context), but that didn't warrant a special raise. And it's not like Franky or the Shogun weren't clear for everybody to see.
Luffy, Zoro, Sanji, Jinbe and Robin all have special things about them that warrant their increases besides fighting prowess. Like Oda said once, it's very difficult to gauge an individual pirate's strength, so they have to take in account other data like influence and recognition. Franky is not a former Warlord like Jinbe, or a scholar like Robin, or a Vinsmoke like Sanji, or a Worst Gen like Zoro. He's just the crew's shipwright for now.
I mean, the WG knows that Franky is one of Tom's disciples, the man that built the Pirate King's ship, and also the guardian of Pluton's blueprints. I'd say that's far more notable than being a Supernova. He's not your average shipwright by any means.
I think the gag explanation is much more plausible and I hadn't even realized that he was the odd one out in Dressrosa as well. Nice catch @access-timeco
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@Goukan said in Official Egghead Thread:
I mean, the WG knows that Franky is one of Tom's disciples, the man that built the Pirate King's ship, and also the guardian of Pluton's blueprints. I'd say that's far more notable than being a Supernova. He's not your average shipwright by any means.
I think the gag explanation is much more plausible and I hadn't even realized that he was the odd one out in Dressrosa as well. Nice catch @access-timeco
The guardian of Pluton's blueprints that he himself destroyed in plain sight.
Like, that did justify his initial bounty, but in the end, he's not more influential than any Supernova. It's not like he's making a new Pluton or anything.
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So with the upcoming chapter 1121 this week, Egghead (64) will overtake Alabasta in chapter count (63). Considering Egghead chapters have generally been a lot shorter than pre-timeskip chapters and the constant switching to different places made this arc feel way shorter than the chapter count would suggest. I do believe we're off to Elbaph in the next 1-2 chapters.
The broadcast has been taking its sweet time but I'm overall very satisfied with this arc. Initially felt like a Sabaody-like transitional arc but turned into almost Marineford-like chaos and war. Plus Oda still managed to sneak in one of his trademark flashbacks. An unbelievably good one at that. Definitely curious what structure Elbaph will follow. I doubt we'll ever get a traditional "long arc structure" again just by the nature of the final saga.
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So did Egghead end now
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@electricmastro I'd say the next chapter is the last one we actually see Egghead. After that, maybe one or two transitional chapters where different factions start moving around the world while the Straw Hats make their way to Elbaph
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@Surskit said in Official Egghead Thread:
@electricmastro I'd say the next chapter is the last one we actually see Egghead. After that, maybe one or two transitional chapters where different factions start moving around the world while the Straw Hats make their way to Elbaph
Looks like we’ll be saying goodbye to this thread in August then, which is when we’ll start the Elbaf thread.
Well, it was fun while it lasted. Looking forward to all the developments that will happen during Elbaf.
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I always wanted to see ELBAF but now I am dreading it, I have loved EVERYTHING Oda has done recently but Elbaf has more than two decades of fans wanting to see it. I am REALLY fearing a repeat of Fishman Island.
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Do we get a party after Egg Head?
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@Shiebs I don't think we will have the standard celebration. There are 5 dead Vegapunks, captured/left behind Sentomaru, probably also missing Stussy. This will feel a lot like the end of Whole Cake.
However, I do expect some sort of solace in Kuma's restoration, making it serve as the happy ending of Egghead and a reason to rejoice.
My guess for the remainder of the arc is something like this:
- Emet’s move (1122)
- Escaping the marines (1123)
- Worldwide reactions/events (1124)
- Post-battle in the ships, including Kuma/Bonney resolution (1125-1126)
- Big names making moves (1127-1129)
- New arc begins (1130)
Wano predictions: There will be 5 acts; All Straw Hats will get fights, some in Act 4; Big Mom Pirates will arrive; Carrot will have her moment, but won't join; Yamato will be a Kouzuki samurai and Wano's Guardian; Shanks will visit Luffy in Act 5; Next arc is Mary Geoise.
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@Captain-Krupp said in Official Egghead Thread:
I always wanted to see ELBAF but now I am dreading it, I have loved EVERYTHING Oda has done recently but Elbaf has more than two decades of fans wanting to see it. I am REALLY fearing a repeat of Fishman Island.
The Nika lore and Loki’s personality will def help make it interesting I imagine, as well as developments happening with the Emperors and Imu elsewhere.
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@Deicide Definitely agree that we're probably getting a more WCI-like abrupt ending, maybe even more abrupt than you're guess would suggest.
I've got a feeling that Oda will tie the bow on Kuma's arc in Elbaf, since that place seems to have a deep connection to the whole Nika mythos as well. Which leads me to believe we'll start the new arc by chapter 1125. The usual "reaction piece" portion, which usually happened in-between arcs, has basically been handled already during Egghead. After Emet's "thing" in chapter 1122, i think we'll just see the most important factions teased in 1121 making their moves in 1123/24 and the crew arriving at Elbaf by the end of 1125.
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@Surskit said in Official Egghead Thread:
So with the upcoming chapter 1121 this week, Egghead (64) will overtake Alabasta in chapter count (63).
egghead is 64 chapters?!
.....and alabasta is only 63?
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I’m surprised Katakuri wasn’t shown in the end of chapter 1121
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with the release of chapter 1122 the egghead arc is now 65 chapters if it gets to 67 its longer than the skypeia arc (66).
making it the 4th longest arc after the wano (149) / dressrosa (102) / WCI (78) arcs
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When playing with chapters count per arc, remember to take into consideration that current chapters are ~15% shorter than in the past.
So while Egghead may currently have more chapters than Alabasta, it's not really longer than it.
Alabasta today would be 74 chapters long if we assume it's 15% less pages per chapter on average.
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@Dahaka there are more panels per page today, though.
I once counted 5 random chapters from 100 chapter stretches and during Alabasta (the 100s) there were 4.48 panels per page, where as in the 900s it was 6.40 panels per page.For anyone curious:
1-100 4.73
101-200 4,48
201-300 4.58
301-400 5.65
401-500 5.56
501-600 6.03
601-700 5.46
701-800 6.25
801-900 6.02
901-1000 6.40Obviously significant margin of error with the small sample size, but I think to prove an increase it's good enough.
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Looks like this arc will end next chapter.
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Presumed release schedule for the remainder of 2024:
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August
- 11- Jump Break
- 18- Ch 1123
- 25- Ch 1124
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September
- 1- Ch 1125
- 8- Break
- 15- Ch 1126
- 22- Ch 1127
- 29- Ch 1128
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October
- 6- Break
- 13- Ch 1129
- 20- Ch 1130
- 27- Ch 1131
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November
- 3- Break
- 10- Ch 1132
- 17- Ch 1133
- 24- Ch 1134
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December
- 1- Break
- 8- Ch 1135
- 15- Break
- 22- Ch 1136
- 29- Jump Break
Edit: I've corrected the schedule due to a mistake in counting breaks.
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So when is the Egghead re-read starting?
HOW COME LUFFY NEVER KILLS AN ENEMY?
ODA:ITS BECAUSE IN THAT ERA EVERYONE USES THEIR LIVES TO FIGHT FOR THEIR DREAMS. FOR AN ENEMY WHEN THEIR DREAM HAS BEEN SHATTERED,IT IS AS PAINFUL AS DEATH,I BELIEVE FOR A PIRATE NOT TO KILL AN ENEMY , IT'S GIVING THEM A SECOND CHANCE TO FIGHT FOR THEIR DREAMS.
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@Shiebs said in Official Egghead Thread:
I’m surprised Katakuri wasn’t shown in the end of chapter 1121
He was already shown watching the broadcast, so it’s fine.
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I will start mine, as soon as all the volumes are out in Germany, so probably in a year or so. -
Heh, I want to see people’s reviews in a year or so, because IMO this arc does not hold up on its own at all. Some good moments, but overall a really weird structure with lukewarm action, uninteresting villains, and weak climax.
Personally, Egghead was the worst arc in the series. I have high regard for One Piece, but I feel this arc wasn’t up to its usual quality.
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In my eyes, Egghead at its worst was still better than 90% of Wano. I doubt (or at least I hope) no arc will ever come close to Wano at the bottom of the list.
Contrary to most people, I think I would have disliked Egghead more if we didn't had skipped the resolution of the York portion, because all the bits focused on the Satellite or on the Seraphim were the only portions I truly found the arc boring (even if there was some Kaku related action skipped, I am still glad we didn't spent more time seeing the cast running around a gray laboratory fighting robots with next to zero personality). -
@access-timeco said in Official Egghead Thread:
Egghead at its worst was still better than 90% of Wano
Wano is a mixed bag for me. It has a way better structure than Egghead for sure, but it's still wonky at parts. The action is also lukewarm. And the length really dragged it down (Egghead's at least shorter, but still too long for its scope).
I did enjoy Wano up to the start of Act 3. At some point it lost me. Egghead, on the other hand, was never able to get me hooked. Whenever I started to care, Oda would do something disappointing and kill my enthusiasm.
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I reread the arc every 15 chapters, so I generally have my take on what I didn't like or loved in Egghead. Only issue is i'm not sure if the arc is over or not.
Saturn and Kizaru are right there. Robonosuke did a good job eliminating the no name characters and expelling 4 of the Gorosei. If the Vice Admirals want to pursue any further, the ships aren't that far away. I see some of them that were attacked are still up, so I doubt Oda has unloaded their full capabilities.
I would need to see a good reason on why Kizaru or anyone else can't touch them. Maybe Saturn calls them off and is satisfied, idk.
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@Cockycent Frankly, I don't see the point. I'll not be surprised if Kizaru was the one that gave Luffy food and wants Bonney to escape. He's the last possible culprit for that.
Likewise, we already had the "Saturn pulls his last gambit to kill Kuma and Bonney and is defeated in a big emotional moment". Another try would just be repetition.
IMO, what remains for this arc are resolutions: Kizaru's, York's, Stussy's, and Kuma and Bonney's. We will probably get them, plus some more cutaway reactions and hints of events to come, then wrap it up and move to inter-arc stuff.
Wano predictions: There will be 5 acts; All Straw Hats will get fights, some in Act 4; Big Mom Pirates will arrive; Carrot will have her moment, but won't join; Yamato will be a Kouzuki samurai and Wano's Guardian; Shanks will visit Luffy in Act 5; Next arc is Mary Geoise.
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@access-timeco said in Official Egghead Thread:
In my eyes, Egghead at its worst was still better than 90% of Wano. I doubt (or at least I hope) no arc will ever come close to Wano at the bottom of the list.
Contrary to most people, I think I would have disliked Egghead more if we didn't had skipped the resolution of the York portion, because all the bits focused on the Satellite or on the Seraphim were the only portions I truly found the arc boring (even if there was some Kaku related action skipped, I am still glad we didn't spent more time seeing the cast running around a gray laboratory fighting robots with next to zero personality).I'd say only about the last 5% of Wano is rather crap.
It helps that Oda took the time to focus on peoples' feelings and focused on more lore, including with Joy Boy. Oda even took the time to elaborate on Emeth's feelings, which was pretty nice.
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@Deicide They did that and he just regenerated some minutes later.
I think the Gorosei are meant for later. The crew are just not there yet.
It's like doing enough to escape WCI arc, but the crew just aren't meant to take the Gorosei down. It is why Saturn just bounces back and it takes something like the knot being untied to allow them an easier out.
I'm not even factoring in if Robonosuke can still move or not.
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I’m actually loving egghead, the last few chapters haven’t been the best but for the most part it’s been a lot of fun
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@Cockycent said in Official Egghead Thread:
I think the Gorosei are meant for later.
I think they are meant for later, but not for the Straw Hats to fight. Feels like they'll fall to Revolutionaries or some other party, frankly. The arc is near its end and there's no personal business left. They feel so empty after all this. And it's not like the crew is not on their level, it's that we just need to learn how to cancel their immortality, and they'd fall like flies. I don't get the same sense of danger from them as the Emperors or Admirals once had.
Wano predictions: There will be 5 acts; All Straw Hats will get fights, some in Act 4; Big Mom Pirates will arrive; Carrot will have her moment, but won't join; Yamato will be a Kouzuki samurai and Wano's Guardian; Shanks will visit Luffy in Act 5; Next arc is Mary Geoise.
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@Deicide Yeah, as a former slave Ivan owes them. Sabo can get a little payback. The Revs as a whole are just better fit for the Gorosei in comparison.
I wouldn't rule out some of the commander's backstories being connected to CDs.
Ginny, Kuma, and Ivan - CD slaves. Sabo - noble almost killed by CDs.
I can only imagine what the CDs have to do with a Marine (Dragon).
Morley had the Impel Down stint. I really want to know what is Karasu and Lindbergh's deal.
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I think the interlude of stuff like SWORDS raid on Fullalead and Shanks VS Kidd should have all happened before Egghead began. It kind of fucked with the flow of the arc.
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Those kind of things usually do happen post arc and in a lesser capacity. Similar to BB vs Ace or Shanks meeting WB.
As the crew catches up to this magnitude of conflict, it just fits more of the inside of the arc. For example, they could have easily been the Heart Pirates or Kid Pirates, but they went to Egghead.
Oda gets to show how close to home it is and that these are main characters as well. Especially in an arc like Egghead where so much affects the world immediately.
Everything and everyone is involved with the race to get the OP. No one's goal is excluded from that. I spent a good 12 chapters seeing around the world reactions to both the sea rise and VP's message, why not have what is going on with Garp/Koby.
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@Johnny-B-Decent I said back then and still think that the Shanks/Kidd and Cross Guild cutaways could have easily happened after Lulusia being nuked and before the crew finding Bonney at sea. It would help the flow a lot.
Law vs Blackbeard and Fullalead raid could have happened before too, but I guess Oda wanted to make a point they happened at the same time as Egghead.
I still find strange that Oda had Van Augur both in Winner Island with Blackbeard and then in Egghead, though. He said he can't teleport very far, so how the hell could he be in the Blackbeard ship we saw near Egghead if he was also fighting Law's crew? Was Devon in that ship, and Augur arrived in another ship during the night/following morning?
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@Johnny-B-Decent said in Official Egghead Thread:
I think the interlude of stuff like SWORDS raid on Fullalead and Shanks VS Kidd should have all happened before Egghead began. It kind of fucked with the flow of the arc.
Thing is is that prob would have delayed things even more and Oda is fine with cutting away during the actual arc anyway. Nothing wrong with that since the whole world is more involved at this point if you ask me.
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Did Oda forget to show Edison dying or am I forgetting something
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Wano predictions: There will be 5 acts; All Straw Hats will get fights, some in Act 4; Big Mom Pirates will arrive; Carrot will have her moment, but won't join; Yamato will be a Kouzuki samurai and Wano's Guardian; Shanks will visit Luffy in Act 5; Next arc is Mary Geoise.
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@Deicide said in Official Egghead Thread:
@Shiebs Nope, we never saw him dying. We saw him talking to Stussy and then in another chapter York said she was only detecting Atlas and Lilith accessing Punk Records.
We know Atlas severed Lilith's connection to make York think she was dead, so, pretty big loophole for Edison's survival.
Either that or Oda dropped the ball hard
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@Shiebs said in Official Egghead Thread:
Did Oda forget to show Edison dying or am I forgetting something
Maybe Oda is wanting to keep us guessing as to whether he’s dead or disconnected. Prob dead since he has been left behind otherwise at this point though.
