Chapter 1113: Stalemate
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I seem to recall that they said the sea level rose after the Lulusia island was destroyed. Perhaps the sea level rises a bit every time the superweapon is used.
If that is true, the one piece world might have once had a much greater landmass, but the faction that would become the world government gained access to this weapon, and kept using it to destroy their enemies, unconcerned with the danger since they had/created the red line to live on. Wouldn't it fit the world nobles to drown the world if it meant holding on to their power? If so, Vegapunk would correctly surmise that they will just keep using it to get rid of malcontents, until everything below the red line has been swallowed up. -
Interesting start to whatever we are getting out of this broadcast. We've had small tidbits of the rising sea levels between Water 7 and Wano being the most prevalent cases. Add on the Celestial Dragons taking the highest point in the world where they would be affected the least, it all adds up to this aspect having not really been prevalent as a topic in the greater One Piece world. The bigger thing though of note was Vegapunk not ascribing good or evil to "him", which I can only assume as being referred to Imu.
Now with all the build up again with this chapter of everyone tuning in to listen to such a huge broadcast, and the desperation of trying to stop it, I'm pretty sure that the broadcast will be stopped at some point. What kind of information we will get before that happens is to be seen, but I assume some of the biggest pieces will not be revealed at this time, just enough to make the world want more, but not enough to understand the whole truth. How everything plays out from here will determine how worth it playing all of this out it, and determine to me how good this arc wraps everything up.
Was nice seeing Kaya and Syrup village again, which unless I am forgetting something is a person and place that never really gets much of a call back. Would be crazy if we ever get an actual look/call back to Kuro or Krieg themselves though, since they have never been mentioned again since their respective time in the light. While it sucks there's a break, I like that the reveal we got isn't so crazy that it's going to make me go crazy waiting a little longer for the next chapter.
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This chapter prompted two theories from me.
The more serious of the two is Joy Boy may have been the reason for the rising sea levels, and this is the sin he and those associated with him (such as Zunesha) bear.
The much less serious theory is there's a giant stopper plug at Laugh Tale that was placed there by the previous Joy Boy that is the cause of the rising sea levels, and only an Awakened user of the Nika fruit can remove it.
Also, it would be the supreme irony if, for everything the Five Elders did to try and stop this message for fear of what it would say, they didn't know about any if it either.
@Leviathan said in Chapter 1113: Stalemate:
I seem to recall that they said the sea level rose after the Lulusia island was destroyed. Perhaps the sea level rises a bit every time the superweapon is used.
If that is true, the one piece world might have once had a much greater landmass, but the faction that would become the world government gained access to this weapon, and kept using it to destroy their enemies, unconcerned with the danger since they had/created the red line to live on. Wouldn't it fit the world nobles to drown the world if it meant holding on to their power? If so, Vegapunk would correctly surmise that they will just keep using it to get rid of malcontents, until everything below the red line has been swallowed up.The Mother Flame is recent and has only been used once that we know of. Though whatever it's derived from may be a factor.
@The-Franky-Tank said in Chapter 1113: Stalemate:
Interesting start to whatever we are getting out of this broadcast. We've had small tidbits of the rising sea levels between Water 7 and Wano being the most prevalent cases. Add on the Celestial Dragons taking the highest point in the world where they would be affected the least, it all adds up to this aspect having not really been prevalent as a topic in the greater One Piece world. The bigger thing though of note was Vegapunk not ascribing good or evil to "him", which I can only assume as being referred to Imu.
Way back in Alabasta in chapter 161, Vivi noted that the sea has started getting more and more into the main river that feeds the kingdom.
Waldorf: You know Statler, after watching the last one thousand episodes of One Piece, I think I've come to a conclusion.
Statler: No you haven't.
Both: DOHOHOHOHOHO!
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Given how Oda just had Nami, Usopp, Chopper, and Brook defend Robin, this only tells me that Oda is for sure going to have all of them step up as fighters.
No more of waiting around for Jinbe, Zoro, Luffy, and Sanji to bail them out. They’re all tied up with their own crap and can’t be everywhere at once, so I’m definitely hoping for good things for all of them by the time they’re on Elbaf.
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@electricmastro said in Chapter 1113: Stalemate:
so I’m definitely hoping for good things for all of them by the time they’re on Elbaf.
Well, I hope you are right. It's the most disappointing aspect of post-TS for me.
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The sea level aside, this chapter nicely establishes how the Elders are a threat. Luffy has gone through Gear 5 a few times now, and despite dominating the Elders at that time they outlasted him and are still in good shape to fight. They're weird ones. They don't see particularly smart or skilled, but it seems that thanks to their immortality they can outlast everyone. I'm assuming with this they'll continue to be rivals in the future.
Also, it's neat seeing Sanji draw blood against Nasjuro. Yes, the other Elders have been injured before, but it feels a little different seeing one with a human face get his jaw kicked in. These guys have been sitting in the background for decades, and now we have this. Things have certainly changed.
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@sgamer82 said in Chapter 1113: Stalemate:
Way back in Alabasta in chapter 161, Vivi noted that the sea has started getting more and more into the main river that feeds the kingdom.
I kinda wanna get a round up of possible allusions to this chapter’s reveal from earlier in the series. Feel like there’s a lot of them, though this could be very well another “Nika” situation where people try to associate anything and everything as “foreshadowing”.
I asked if there were theories of the ending done by theorists before. Closest I could find was a Mr Morj video on an ancient world that was flooded. We don’t know if that’s actually the case yet from this chapter, but I do think the video’s warranted based on proof he brought up to support his point as possible allusions to the reveal this chapter.
In particular, I like it possibly gives more relevance to Jinbe’s cover story as lore important. Always thought his cover story was “meh”. And I have seen another theory of that city being underwater due to an old user of the paw-paw fruit using their abilities to throw the city into the sea, but kinda like the “was an ancient that was on land but is now submerged due to the reasonings Vegapunk will provide down the line”Originally Posted by Nightwing
Stay focused, cause right now you have a decision to make. Are you a man perpetually looking back at what he’s lost, or a man looking forward, to what he might become?
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@onemoment said in Chapter 1113: Stalemate:
Also, it's neat seeing Sanji draw blood against Nasjuro. Yes, the other Elders have been injured before, but it feels a little different seeing one with a human face get his jaw kicked in.
Too bad he came right back up to bite Sanji and kicking his ass in the process. lol
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Honestly frustrates me how Oda keeps doing that well maybe the elder stars have a valid enough reason bit after having them be cartoonishly evil for this whole arc.
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It is a lot to process and apply in theory. Not only have I questioned why the Marines and everyone else serve the CDs, but also who knows what and how much.
Is Imu doing things for a justified reason and what exactly is Imu responsible for in the first place? You can assume WG is behind this, but it is said that D. Clan brings "storms" (I assume trouble) and someone with a Straw Hat is supposed to destroy FI. Luffy has one. Im stood before one that look huge.
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@wolfwood said in Chapter 1113: Stalemate:
Honestly frustrates me how Oda keeps doing that well maybe the elder stars have a valid enough reason bit after having them be cartoonishly evil for this whole arc.
What exactly was the reason again? Missed have missed it.
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@Gizmo said in Chapter 1113: Stalemate:
@sgamer82 said in Chapter 1113: Stalemate:
Way back in Alabasta in chapter 161, Vivi noted that the sea has started getting more and more into the main river that feeds the kingdom.
I kinda wanna get a round up of possible allusions to this chapter’s reveal from earlier in the series. Feel like there’s a lot of them, though this could be very well another “Nika” situation where people try to associate anything and everything as “foreshadowing”.
I asked if there were theories of the ending done by theorists before. Closest I could find was a Mr Morj video on an ancient world that was flooded. We don’t know if that’s actually the case yet from this chapter, but I do think the video’s warranted based on proof he brought up to support his point as possible allusions to the reveal this chapter.
In particular, I like it possibly gives more relevance to Jinbe’s cover story as lore important. Always thought his cover story was “meh”. And I have seen another theory of that city being underwater due to an old user of the paw-paw fruit using their abilities to throw the city into the sea, but kinda like the “was an ancient that was on land but is now submerged due to the reasonings Vegapunk will provide down the line”I was curious about this sort of thing too and came across a video from last year that suggested the OP world might be experiencing fluctuating sea levels due to having previously and being in the process of a Pole Shift phenomenon (in which the north & south poles change). Though, in this case, the theory was that the poles were shifting at a 90 degree angle, that would leave the Red Line as the equator (apparently the Japanese name for the equator translates to "Red Road") and the Grand Line in the Prime Meridian position.
The original video's in Japanese, but does have English subtitles:
An all English video summarizing the above:
Waldorf: You know Statler, after watching the last one thousand episodes of One Piece, I think I've come to a conclusion.
Statler: No you haven't.
Both: DOHOHOHOHOHO!
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Great chapter, although I was definitely getting impatient while reading it and just wanted to get to the message lol. Feels like the pieces are falling into place, should be a great stretch of chapters ahead even though I wouldn't rule out the possibility that York figures out where the transmission snail is and we won't get the complete message.
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@electricmastro said in Chapter 1113: Stalemate:
@onemoment said in Chapter 1113: Stalemate:
Also, it's neat seeing Sanji draw blood against Nasjuro. Yes, the other Elders have been injured before, but it feels a little different seeing one with a human face get his jaw kicked in.
Too bad he came right back up to bite Sanji and kicking his ass in the process. lol
I mean, sure, but Sanji right now has Luke Cage powers and a healing factor so he'll get back up. Really, this arc has proven that Sanji right now is in many ways the most durable guy in the crew. He's been hit with everything and keeps coming back.
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Hooray, it's really happening! This is very much a build-up/anticipation chapter most of the way through, but Oda makes a smart choice to drop the first bomb at the end instead of leaving us waiting, so it won't feel like a total copout even if the broadcast is shut down before it's complete. And now that the ball's rolling, the momentum for post-Golden Week is going to be unstoppable.
We start with a gorgeous colour spread full of fun details, perfectly synced to the title of the chapter. I love having Robin as a chessmaster, Jinbe as a rook recalls his time in Big Mom's crew (remember her using that as a rank?) and the designs of the Chopper pawns are all adorable. Weirdly, they're numbered up to 16 (despite there only being seven in the image), which is the total number of pawns on a chessboard, but across both sides. Are there some enemy pawns on the Strawhats' side of the board already? The process video for this one is a treat too. I love that it's not just building up from rough sketches, they show the moment Oda pauses, goes to a new page to just line up the pieces and develop who is going to be what, then even maps out a chessboard and plans out the moves so that no one's in an impossible position for the finished artwork. I love that kind of attention to detail for things absolutely no one would have thought to check otherwise.
"Well, it's been such a short time..." Vegapunk you fricking tease, no it has not. But hey, if the Vegacoffee really stays warm for two months maybe there's something to it.
I expected a brain in a jar for Punk Records, but I was picturing a Mother Brain kind of situation, having it just be Vegapunk's giant misshapen forehead is hilarious. And I love all the tubes and cables in the reveal panel. I keep looking at it and assuming the detached portion of head is the same size as it was in the flashbacks to post-Ohara earlier in the arc, then I look down to Mars and realise its true size. Can you imagine if Vegapunk still had this thing attached to his dome?
Seeing so many locations connected to the Strawhats as the broadcast builds up really makes it feel like the world is drawing a breath for the big news. Oda wants this moment to breathe, as frustrating as it can be as a weekly reader. And hey, is that a Thousand Sunny beast in the Baldimore segment? Franky was busy while he was there.
And man, speaking of the scale issue with Vegapunk's brain, I'm also taken aback by Nusjuro towering over Franky's group. I know the reveal spread for the Elders' yokai forms showed them being enormous, but in my mind, Nusjuro's centaur form somehow ended up proportioned to the human half, not the horse half. The fact that until now he was mostly shown next to the towering Pacifistas definitely didn't help matters. Sanji's blow to his jaw is an extremely cool moment somewhat undercut by Sanji's fixation on Bonney. He doesn't know. I just have to tell myself he doesn't know. But it's still offputting. The depiction of the transformation back to horse mode is unique, with the human parts seeming to burn away, lingering in the background as the hose head snaps at Sanji. His transformation to the centaur mode was depicted as a much more fluid morphing. He also leaves trails of flames as he goes back to human in Oimo and Kashii's grip a page later.
I'm still not a huge fan of these distorted futures. They really stretch the limits of where it feels like the fruit's rules should be. The callback to Luffy's descent through the clouds during the Kaido fight is fun though, I guess.
The true highlight this week is Saturn's attack on the crew's weakling squad. We get the 'bringing things full circle' reveal that he was the one who spoke to Clover and ordered his death, followed by a truly heart-warming moment of the whole squad forming up around Robin. As someone whose favourite One Piece moment is probably "I want to live" I love these moments where either the crew stands up for her or she affirms her faith in them. And it's a great page besides, with a ton of moments compressed into a single panel, the flurry of attacks and counterattacks developing as your eye moves over the page.
Oda's building up that we're still going to be given a solution to the transponder snail dilemma through Mars and York's continued search. This probably means that we won't hear the full backstory to the reveal on the next page. I'll maintain that even with a decoy in place, I don't trust Vegapunk to have made his deception too extreme. The man has been characterised through this whole arc as naive and perfectionist. He does not have the social skills for a chessmaster manipulation of career politicians and their whole military, and he'd go all in on his first idea come to fruition rather than having numerous redundancies and backups. It would be out of character for him to suddenly be able to bamboozle the whole world, so I do think they'll find the right snail on the island eventually.
And almost to prove this point, Vegapunk refuses to call the World Government and its leaders outright evil, thinking that because he can't understand their final intent there is no call to be made about their actions. That is a lot of benefit of the doubt in my opinion. While I don't disagree that extreme circumstances can justify extreme actions, I've yet to see the circumstances that justify the World Government's multiple genocides. Vegapunk believes that whatever other mystery he hasn't solved yet, it must make the cruelty of these people slot into place and finally make sense. It's a nice thought from a very understanding heart, and it's exactly the kind of thinking that's made it so easy for them to fool him time and time again.
And then the bomb drops. "The world as we know it will to sink into the sea!!" A fitting apocalypse for an ocean-covered world, and just the kind of lategame reveal I'd expect from Oda. Just at a glance, it makes a lot of worldbuilding pull together, from the desirability of the Redline to the strange sinking issues of Long Ring Long Land and Water Seven, the impact of the Mother Flame test on the level of the ocean, and even possibly the height of Wano's walls and the choice to build Zou on Zunesha's back. We know there's a lot that Oda can change on the fly, but I'm ready to fully believe this was one of those things that was planned from the start.
Interesting too is the panel of merfolk at the very end of the chapter. They don't appear to be listening to the broadcast or otherwise connected to the scene at all, but of course they have a symbolic relevance to a flooded world, especially if it turns out a cleansing flood has come and gone already in the past. And let's not forget the plainly significant to this scenario Noah and Poseidon back at Fishman Island.
So we've got one big reveal that sets the course for the remainder of the series already. Anything else Vegapunk manages to get out before being shut down is just gravy. Plus we've got a lot of strawhats in rough situations with some escaping to do. The Egghead climax is so far proving to be worth the wait.
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I was away from home most of the day so only now I had time to read the official release of Ch 1113.
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So, there was no trap, no secret character, no danger to Mars. Like I said at the end of last chapter, the sfx indicated Mars was near Vegapunk's brain. I didn't expect to see Vegapunk's whole upper head, with skin and hair and all, thought... Lol.
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The snail being a decoy is a strange development to me. I expected to see the elders "winning" here, only for Dragon to save the day. However, later in the chapter we see York trying to find a way to stop the transmission, so I think we may still get it interrupted later....
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Amazing Sanji entrance. This too was expected.
I must confess that I also hoped we'd get a surprise when we next saw Vegapunk's "corpse", but nope, it's still the same as ever. Anyway, there are two more things to talk about this scene...
First, it's the bite. It's Sanji, so the physical aspect of it won't be a big deal to him. Even if he got some bones crushed, we know he'd recover in an instant. But the Elders have weird powers. Considering this is an "undead" horse, I think his bite may spread disease...
Second, it's Bonney's power. I'm disappointed in the direction Oda chose for it. It feels less and less like an "age-age" power. I know Bonney can access any future she imagines, but... She pulls such random stuff. In theory, there's no limit, she could replicate ANY power.
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Who's "him"? I serioysly have no idea, but I don't think Vegapunk knows about Imu.
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Saturn vs Straw Hats is a cool setup. I feel the crew is in dire straits here. I'm sure Zoro and Jinbe will arrive, but considering Saturn can coat his attacks in poison, throw eye blasts and paralyze his victims, the crew may suffer some serious damage here.
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And we arrive at the ending reveal. The world will sink!
I've seen theories all week about how this has been happening since the beginning of the story, but I feel these theorists are jumping to conclusions. If the world was slowly sinking, everyone would notice after 800 years.
No, I think Vegapunk means the World Government's true goal is to sink the world, the "Great Cleansing" we saw Nusjuru talking about in the Reverie. We need to remember that Lulusia's destruction raised sea levels by one metre.... Also, both Pluton and Poseidon were described as powers capable of sinking whole islands.
And I've long speculated that Imu's weapon is actually Uranus, the 3rd Ancient Weapon, but it needs fuel, and that's why the Elders want the Mother Flame so desperately.
So, I think Imu wanted to destroy the whole "lower world" when he won at the end of the Void Century. The defeated powers tried to protect themselves (Wano raised its walls, Minks went atop Zunisha, and so on), but, thanks to Lily and others, Imu didn't have his final victory.
"We can bring this ancient battle to its conclusion", Ju Peter said in Ch 1086, when talking about the Mother Flame. To me, it's clear: the world is not sinking. But it will, not slowly, but swiftly and surely, should the World Government gets what it desires.
But, once the marines and nations learn of this... won't they withdraw their support of the system? Vegapunk's revelation may be the rallying call for everyone to back up the Revolutionaries...
Those are my thoughts, for now.
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@Captain-M said in Chapter 1113: Stalemate:
I don't trust Vegapunk to have made his deception too extreme. The man has been characterised through this whole arc as naive and perfectionist. He does not have the social skills for a chessmaster manipulation of career politicians and their whole military, and he'd go all in on his first idea come to fruition rather than having numerous redundancies and backups. It would be out of character for him to suddenly be able to bamboozle the whole world, so I do think they'll find the right snail on the island eventually.
It may feel not like him, indeed, but remember he has the satellites, and their personalities are varied. Shaka contacting Dragon to speak of his death is very suspicious, so I wouldn't be surprised if Shaka, not Stella, made a backup plan just in case.
Wano predictions: There will be 5 acts; All Straw Hats will get fights, some in Act 4; Big Mom Pirates will arrive; Carrot will have her moment, but won't join; Yamato will be a Kouzuki samurai and Wano's Guardian; Shanks will visit Luffy in Act 5; Next arc is Mary Geoise.
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That tall Elder questioning what death is can be taken so many ways. That’s further proof to me that these guys are nearly immortal.
Sanji attacking Nosjuru was pretty cool and he was in his “human” form. If those crushing sound effects are what they seem then Sanji may have taken some decent damage. Of course if the eyebrows flip any broken bones would snap back into place.
There were a lot of recent events within the story that gave us the idea that the sea level could be rising or that islands could be sinking. More than anything though the great ark, Noah, of prophecy has been in our face for over a decade now. If that alone didn’t give the hint that we’d probably be dealing with some biblical style flooding then nothing would.
I love this reveal. I do wonder if the Elders know this is happening and if they are causing it to happen. I would imagine yes to both questions but we’ll see. It also brings me back to Doflamingo as a former Celestial Dragon and the secret that he knew. Imu is one thing, I guess the world knowing that there is a king above the 5 Elders would be shocking but knowing that the world is sinking below the waves intentionally or not could be earth shaking. Double so if Doflamingo knew it was something intentional to wipe out masses of the planets people.
Lastly I’m glad a few Vegapunks are still alive and at least the original’s mind is still functioning. I really want some form of Vegapunk to explain Sanji’s anatomy and Chopper’s rumble and Monster Points.
Folks who read One Piece… Just better people. ¯\(ツ)/¯
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I don't think anyone mentioned it yet here (or maybe did) but Arabasta and Dressrosa have two similarities in them and that's their main town is very much uplifted like Alubarna and the whole dressrosa has this weird mountains around it while having their castle built on very high positions which protected the kings/nobles from flood in the past unlike Goa Kingdom or Lulusia. Even Drum Kingdom had it's castle on the top of mountain, but I don't know how much all this actually holds water or will be relevant to current's situation.
With that being said, I think this 'world will sink' could have been foreshadowed in many ways
Noah's arc in Fishman island arc being a boat to survive the ocean swallowing the world, like the biblic tale.
Kuma being seen always holding a bibble, with a woman/young boy with a Sun as a halo on top of his head may be a hint towards Joyboy (Sun God) relation to Noah's ark.
Pangea castle being named as such (Pangea was the name of the only landmass/continent on Earth before the continents split).
The tenryubito living in the highest landmass, while also using suits built similar to diving suits to breathe air to go down below.
Wano not giving a damn about anything because it is an isle on a separate sea above sea level. If the level of the ocean goes up all the normal isles would be shallowed, but wano would just be "opened" because the sea level would go higher than it's walls while mainland Wano remains the same. Which explains why Wano citizens are forbidden to leave since the Void century era.
The Arabasta ruler remaining there and refusing to join the celestial dragons up down the mountain, prefering to remain with his kingdom until it's demise; while secretly supporting Joyboy, who was to rise Noah's ark to the surface, which was built by Fishmen carpenters below the ocean (but couldn't do it and had to wait for someone else).
The WG not giving much of a damn about killing most DF users or capturing all DFs as a whole, after all if the sea rises all DF users will drown.
This explains why the WG were somewhat content with the balance of power being a stalemate of Marines+Sichibukai vs the Yonko. Once the sea level rises all the Yonko, who are DF users, will die, along with most of their crews and island territories.
The WG developing interest in something like a "sea train" to travel the sea, or the Tenryubito ordering the building of the Tequila Wolf bridge in the middle of the ocean 700 years ago.
The WG developing interest in something like a "sea train" to travel the sea, or the Tenryubito ordering the building of the Tequila Wolf bridge in the middle of the ocean 700 years ago.
Why the WG seems to reject or outright hunt down Fishmen and Lunarians. The only winged People with functional wings that can fly, allowing them to fly above the sea, and the only people who can breathe below water.
This would also explain why the Tenryubito love to get fishman slaves. The only kind of slave that could never drown I guess that if only the Red Line remained then the only slaves available would be the Fishmen.
Iceburg who has the idea of turning Water Seven into an artificial island to combat sea level rise having a lot of influence within the WG.
Zunesha being a species of elephant that evolved to walk over the sea level.
How Impel down seemed to be built on the sea floor.
If the rising of the sea level is a cycle, it would explain the interests of the GW in general and the compliance of non-tenryubitos.
You get all the riches up the mountain through the celestial dragon's tribute, then wait until the sea level rises and everyone die; then after the sea level goes down again you retake all the empty islands for the WG. The void century could be about that... a century were the sea level rised and wiped most islands out, leaving the rest of the islands to fight each other for resources.Great chapter tbh, with some good actions and the weak strawhats saving robin was very wholesome. I am really excited for the conclusion of this arc!
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@sgamer82 said in Chapter 1113: Stalemate:
I was curious about this sort of thing too and came across a video from last year that suggested the OP world might be experiencing fluctuating sea levels due to having previously and being in the process of a Pole Shift phenomenon (in which the north & south poles change). Though, in this case, the theory was that the poles were shifting at a 90 degree angle, that would leave the Red Line as the equator (apparently the Japanese name for the equator translates to "Red Road") and the Grand Line in the Prime Meridian position.
Won't watch the videos so maybe they clarified it, but neither the Red Line nor the Grand Line are the equator, so such a pole shift wouldn't be 90 degrees.
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I loved the chapter and reveals. The beginning of the countdown a few chapters ago had me worried that we would be stuck forever in these 10 minutes, but I'm glad to have been wrong. The Elders and nicely-paced action sure made the chapters feel short - now I wish Dressrosa or Wano could have been this streamlined.
@RomanceDawn said in Chapter 1113: Stalemate:
There were a lot of recent events within the story that gave us the idea that the sea level could be rising or that islands could be sinking. More than anything though the great ark, Noah, of prophecy has been in our face for over a decade now. If that alone didn’t give the hint that we’d probably be dealing with some biblical style flooding then nothing would.
On that specific point, with how the story had been going so far, I had always assumed Noah to be more of a crosshover with a Promised Land setup - "I will take your (fish)people to the surface and give them a place in the sun where they can live permanently", rather than a straight biblical flooding hint. Especially since Noah was left at the bottom of the sea with the one and only nation that had nothing to fear from a worldwide flood. In retrospect anything goes, of course, but I would be much more willing to accept the high-up Dressrosa and Alabasta castles, or the Redline in its entirety, as a foreshadowing of floods to come.
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@blueinthespace said in Chapter 1113: Stalemate:
I don't think anyone mentioned it yet here (or maybe did) but Arabasta and Dressrosa have two similarities in them and that's their main town is very much uplifted like Alubarna and the whole dressrosa has this weird mountains around it while having their castle built on very high positions which protected the kings/nobles from flood in the past unlike Goa Kingdom or Lulusia. Even Drum Kingdom had it's castle on the top of mountain, but I don't know how much all this actually holds water or will be relevant to current's situation.
Well most castle were build on higher ground, because its easier defend against attacks from this advantage point.
But in story, its a nice catch but I am not sure if Oda had the flooding always in mind or if he was inspired by real world castle, who were mostly build on higher grounds.SW-3170-8630-8341
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@The-Light-of-Shandora This is just a theory anyways but the evidences are pretty big that there was a flood in the past too and WG is going to use the same thing to sink the world again and erase the history.
Around Chapter 161, Vivi even acknowledges that sea pushed back River Sandora which is the main river for Arabasta and also states that 'long ago' the river lost it's force, resulting in sea water mixing the river which made the citizens purely dependent on the water they get from skies i.e rainwater but that too was taken later by Crocodile & his dirty games through misuse of rain-power and to incite a civil war.
There's also Aqua-laguna and Wano's border which most likely was created to save the country from getting flooded, the existence of Noah arc, Celestial suits, Tequila Wolf being built from 700 years ago, a walking elephant which has an entire civilization on it's back from 1000 years is alot hint for me that most likely a flood did happened in the back and that's what they mean by 'The Great Cleansing' too.
Also, I just find it pretty abrupt that Alabasta and Dressrosa (two nations which participated in taking out the great kingdom in void century) somehow have this weird upliftment in it's main city and town which is pretty rare when you look at any regular island like lulusia or goa kingdom (I get the answer that it could be to make strong defenses) but in the end of the day these are just my theories based on some strong evidences about flood existing in the back, but oda may or may not go this route.
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That was an interesting chapter. The elders continues to be menacing foes. And even if we have a cool scene of the weaker tear Strawhats defending Robin, it is still hard to imagine they can be defeated and I would bet another miraculous escape like they did in Enies Lobby.
The fake den den Mushi was a smart idea. We have the start of the broadcast with a big enough revelation but it can still be interupted at any moment if Mars and York find the real one.
Also I suppose we all ask ourselves the same question as Mars on wether Vegapunk is alive or not :-)
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I shouldn't have raised my expectations for VP's message, the tease was too much and the reveal was meh.
chapter felt very underwhelming and there is a break next week.
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@onemoment said in Chapter 1113: Stalemate:
@electricmastro said in Chapter 1113: Stalemate:
@onemoment said in Chapter 1113: Stalemate:
Also, it's neat seeing Sanji draw blood against Nasjuro. Yes, the other Elders have been injured before, but it feels a little different seeing one with a human face get his jaw kicked in.
Too bad he came right back up to bite Sanji and kicking his ass in the process. lol
I mean, sure, but Sanji right now has Luke Cage powers and a healing factor so he'll get back up. Really, this arc has proven that Sanji right now is in many ways the most durable guy in the crew. He's been hit with everything and keeps coming back.
Perhaps, though durability doesn’t mean as much of Warrior Gods can still chomp on you.
Still, that’s not bad for #4. Am interested to see where this goes.
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@Kdom said in Chapter 1113: Stalemate:
That was an interesting chapter. The elders continues to be menacing foes. And even if we have a cool scene of the weaker tear Strawhats defending Robin, it is still hard to imagine they can be defeated and I would bet another miraculous escape like they did in Enies Lobby.
The fake den den Mushi was a smart idea. We have the start of the broadcast with a big enough revelation but it can still be interupted at any moment if Mars and York find the real one.
Also I suppose we all ask ourselves the same question as Mars on wether Vegapunk is alive or not :-)
I’m still not sure why York directed Marcus to the fake, even though she intended to direct him to the real one.
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@Captain-M said in Chapter 1113: Stalemate:
I'm still not a huge fan of these distorted futures. They really stretch the limits of where it feels like the fruit's rules should be. The callback to Luffy's descent through the clouds during the Kaido fight is fun though, I guess.
Of course I’m sure Oda did it so as to make Bonney’s move set more interesting.
Might also be the excuse used for her to stick around with Luffy for a time, learning from him through training while she figures out her life situation.
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@electricmastro I think it has to do with her sleeping most of the time and witholding sync with Punk Records. Thanks to it the other VPs were not aware she was betraying them because she did not upload her memories to their collective mind, but it goes two ways : similarly, she never learned about the decoy, or the pre-recorded dead-man-trigger message for that matter. Otherwise we can reasonably assume she would have warned the elders beforehand
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@electricmastro Is it really that much more interesting when it's just a copy of what Luffy does? If anything it'll make her fights less unique.
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Why do people think that this sinking of the world is controlled by the elders?.
Sounded more like a natural thing of this world. Maybe every 900 or 1000 years the world goes under and nobody can stop it. Maybe this is why joyboy and the mermaid queen became allies to try to stop it. -
@realtenchu Because 900 years ago, the World Government was formed after deposing the Ancient Kingdom, and now, just as their fated enemy returns, suddenly the floods begin anew. Rather suspicious, isn't it?
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- A slow, steady rising tide would have been noticed by everyone after a few centuries. The world today isn't that different from the times of Norland, for instance.
- The Celestial Dragons are descended from the "gods" that "shaped this world".
- The Celestial Dragons live above all else, completely secure from a flood.
- The Mother Flame destroys islands. Pluton is said to destroy an island with a single shot. Poseidon is said to have the power to "sink the whole world".
- They couldn't use something like the Mother Flame before
- They want the Mother Flame to "end this ancient battle"
- The Mother Flame's usage caused the sea level to rise 1 metre.
- Upon seeing the results of the Mother Flame, the Elders decide to spare York, and they can't afford to destroy the lab because they need the Mother Flame above all else.
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@Deicide
So you think that Vegapunk thought some of your points plus whatever oharans had and concluded, I think they’re gonna do it again aren’t they, they’re gonna flush the world, I think.His statement didn’t sound like an opinion of whatever someone might do. This man is a scientist. His statement sounded like a scientific fact. Like this is coming no matter what. If someone is in control of this then it’s not factual that’s coming.
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@realtenchu said in Chapter 1113: Stalemate:
So you think that Vegapunk thought some of your points plus whatever oharans had and concluded
I think Vegapunk is not aware of every point I wrote, but he knows things we haven't learned yet as well. And I also think Vegapunk does not know the entire truth.
I feel Vegapunk's revelation this chapter is a way to call everybody's attention to the full story that is yet to be revealed.
My theory is that Imu's objective was to sink the "lower world" and rule unchallenged the "land of the gods". Think about how Goa or Sorbet tried to get rid of the "trash" in order to rule "perfect" kingdoms. Also think of how Enel planned to destroy Sky Piea before moving to the moon. Imu's plan started but was interrupted before he achieved total victory, and he has been seeking a way to finish the job ever since.
(I don't think Vegapunk knows about Imu, he probably just thinks of it as the World Government's goal)
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Sinking the lower world is a loss to them
who will pay them tributes ? it doesn't make sense to cleanse that way nor i think they're capable of it.
they've done one big thing and it's all thanks to vegapunk, they ain't shit without him.
perhaps the ancient weapons are why the land world is small islands scattered around the map instead of solid continents that can never be drown.
anyways the whole scenario sucks. we have enough climate bullshit to waste our time reading & talking about it.
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@Captain-M said in Chapter 1113: Stalemate:
@electricmastro Is it really that much more interesting when it's just a copy of what Luffy does? If anything it'll make her fights less unique.
I don't think it would be exact since Bonney has yet to replicate his gears exactly, so she's prob on her way to developing more of her own style inspired by Luffy's as time goes on.
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@Captain-M said in Chapter 1113: Stalemate:
The true highlight this week is Saturn's attack on the crew's weakling squad. We get the 'bringing things full circle' reveal that he was the one who spoke to Clover and ordered his death, followed by a truly heart-warming moment of the whole squad forming up around Robin. As someone whose favourite One Piece moment is probably "I want to live" I love these moments where either the crew stands up for her or she affirms her faith in them. And it's a great page besides, with a ton of moments compressed into a single panel, the flurry of attacks and counterattacks developing as your eye moves over the page.
Makes me wonder how much they'll be called "weaklings" as the arcs progress. Inevitably I think they'll be given more power-ups, not that they all have to be monstrous, but enough to hold their own as fighters as part of an Emperor's crew.
I just think that any idea that they can't be dedicated fighters is gonna have to be put to rest given how Jinbe, Zoro, Sanji, and Luffy weren't immediately there to help them out with Saturn. And given how more enemies will be coming their way due to the amounting chaos, I think it only makes sense all of them step up as fighters, or else Oda wouldn't be doing any of this.
So yeah, basically, I think the time of the weaklings is over, and the time of the Emperor's officers is beginning. lol
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@electricmastro Totally agreed; weaklings is only a realtive term only at this point. (And even in the heyday of the crew having a 'weakling squad' most wouldn't have included Robin and Brook among them anyway)
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@Captain-M said in Chapter 1113: Stalemate:
@electricmastro Totally agreed; weaklings is only a realtive term only at this point. (And even in the heyday of the crew having a 'weakling squad' most wouldn't have included Robin and Brook among them anyway)
Yeah, it really did kinda frustrate me how much Chopper and the others would get downplayed as fighters given how they all promised to get stronger for Luffy and are facing gradually more dangerous foes especially in light of attaining an Emperor's crew status.
This of course isn't to say that cremates like Chopper have to be the same as Zoro, but given how Zoro himself wasn't there to hold off Saturn right at the moment Robin was in danger in this chapter, it makes the most sense to me that they all step up.
So, I'm quite excited to see what Oda does to have all them to step up, since as crazy as this might sound to some, I'm def ready to see more fighting from the crew beyond Zoro, Sanji, and Luffy. lol
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Originally Posted by Nightwing
Stay focused, cause right now you have a decision to make. Are you a man perpetually looking back at what he’s lost, or a man looking forward, to what he might become?
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@Gizmo said in Chapter 1113: Stalemate:
Updating my post with the original tweet that brought up this theory given Pew’s tweet was highly misleading.
So are the Straw Hats meant to save the sinking world or go against it?
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I love this chapter's colorspread so much. This 1 and the video game 1 from Wano are so good
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