He had the thought after reading your thought captain...
I like the theory of Egghead becoming a main base better.
I find going to space a bit too late now that we are in the final stage of the serie
He had the thought after reading your thought captain...
I like the theory of Egghead becoming a main base better.
I find going to space a bit too late now that we are in the final stage of the serie
@Chams-0 I legit believe Oda took this route because he just wanted to use the black background colour used during manga flashbacks.
As we were seeing Bonney witness those memories in real time, that wasn't possible.
The last panel from Ch 1089 will keep haunting me until I get to see Ch 1090. There's something that appears fundamentally wrong to me but I can't trust my own judgement on it because of my own biases.
Of course, we lack context. Next chapter could expand on each detail and add entire different angles to them. But there are still some seeds left from before the cutaway that feel unanswered.
Why did York need the captured agents? Why did she keep Stella alive? Why, when the Frontier Dome was taken out, the story was framed in such a way to exclude York as a possible culprit? She even was with Shaka, Lilith and Pythagoras as they questioned who could have done it!
It's like looking at a picture that looks completed, but there are still pieces of the puzzle left that seem to not connect anywhere. And, given Oda's writing style, any minor details could spiral into its own plot point when we are least expecting.
@Deicide Makes me go to my initial thought. This could have possibly been 30-40 chapters of Oda going through it traditionally.
I don't think Oda can recap everything in 3 chapters either.
Either he progresses the plot as he sprinkles what happen through 10-15 chapters, or he stays here and slightly moves forward as he fills in the blanks for 5-8 chapters.
I believe the less he moves forward, the easier it is to fill the audience in. It's difficult to move on quickly if you are simultaneously attempting to provide context from earlier occurrences.
@Cockycent Ch 1090 can go about anywhere.
It can completely ignore offscreened events and just go about its business.
It can start a flashback. I think this is unlikely.
It may give us snippets of information but focus on moving forward.
Hell, it can even do a twist and change the meaning of 1089’s last panel, thought this too feels unlikely.
Definitely a "flashback" happening in 1090. Unlikely that it will span the whole chapter or multiple chapters in a row, i think.
I really like the idea of things heading to the moon this arc...(literally) haha.
@Deicide said in Official Egghead Thread:
The last panel from Ch 1089 will keep haunting me until I get to see Ch 1090. There's something that appears fundamentally wrong to me but I can't trust my own judgement on it because of my own biases.
- Why is Lucci chilling there? Why is everyone fine with him there?
- Didn't Bonney just get throught a very traumatic experience?
- Vegapunk seems just bothered by betrayal and death of two satellites.
- Nami and Usopp feel unusually calm given the siege.
Of course, we lack context. Next chapter could expand on each detail and add entire different angles to them. But there are still some seeds left from before the cutaway that feel unanswered.
Why did York need the captured agents? Why did she keep Stella alive? Why, when the Frontier Dome was taken out, the story was framed in such a way to exclude York as a possible culprit? She even was with Shaka, Lilith and Pythagoras as they questioned who could have done it!
It's like looking at a picture that looks completed, but there are still pieces of the puzzle left that seem to not connect anywhere. And, given Oda's writing style, any minor details could spiral into its own plot point when we are least expecting.
I guess Bonney pretty much got over it with Sanji’s pizza.
@Deicide Whichever way he chooses to go, I would like to see what is the reason and also if what Kuma is doing has already played out in full or not.
Kuma, the approaching BB ship, Aramaki taking Weevil. Can't tell what exactly is for future arcs and immediate narratives. I feel sure about Kuma and the ship with this being VP/Bonney heavy and the ship being in the vicinity.
Real Stussy's last words point to her attempting to get VP to prove to Marco that Weevil really is WB's kid. Whether that is a phone call or physical visit away is up to Oda.
Marco and Stussy are pretty informed and i've always wanted to know about that minor gap between Rocks disbanding and WB gaining Marco, etc.
Actually, seeing as how Luffy and the others are eating, it might be taken as an after-battle lunch like the endings of various other arcs.
Maybe Egghead will be ending within five chapters now that Luffy has gotten Vegapunk and Bonney back. Any further all-out battles here would most likely seem like stalling.
When you think about it, the Egghead forces are pretty impressive.
4 Seraphim. Mechanized sea beasts. 50 Pacifistas Mark III. Also who-knows-how-many police Pacifistas are there? (Thought I think Oda will conveniently forget the police pacifistas...)
The average marine is no match for a Pacifista, and the Pacifistas can probably sink a lot of smaller ships with their lasers. If Kizaru makes a move, the ships become easy targets. Even if the Vice-Admirals can take care of the Pacifistas, it's 50 against 9. And that's not counting the other defenses.
Beyond these obvious defenders, there may also be holograms and other capabilities to disable and confuse enemy forces.
Considering the marine fleets lost to the Warlords in all cases, and that Luffy is a match for an Admiral, things are not looking good for the marines. Their major trump card is Saturn's ability to command both Pacifistas and Seraphim, thus turning the tables. But once that card is revealed, the enemy can react accordingly, so the marines probably need to wait for the Seraphim to be sent before Saturn acts.
@electricmastro said in Official Egghead Thread:
Maybe Egghead will be ending within five chapters
That would make Egghead the most disappointing arc ever. Lots of elsewhere events, main story off-screened, then the supposed major threat is avoided in 5 chapters?
@Cockycent said in Official Egghead Thread:
Kuma, the approaching BB ship, Aramaki taking Weevil.
I think Kuma will still be a factor in this arc. I wonder where he is now. Did he stop at Mary Geoise? Or did he keep moving and sent himself to Egghead?
The BB ship is quite a mystery. I have no idea what role they'll play.
As for Weevil, I'd guess he will get rescued by Cross Guild, it's kinda the fate that makes more sense. Weevil feels so unconnected to everything. I wonder if the point of his introduction was just to tease Stussy and cloning, but I think/hope he actually has something more to do.
@Deicide Where Weevil or Aramaki go doesn't seem like it is a right now thing.
I'm more concerned with her narrative and where it can lead her due to the topic being clones and her characterization. She seems like the one pushing all of this since their debut.
It's gone from an inheritance to being formally introduced as a "freeloader". She is about money and while that shows a link to the great business that is Cross Guild...
There is something there with her believing she can prove to Marco that the boy is for WB by using VP
So, her and her son can end up allied with Cross Guild, but I believe her immediate interest has to do with VP.
@Deicide said in Official Egghead Thread:
@electricmastro said in Official Egghead Thread:
Maybe Egghead will be ending within five chapters
That would make Egghead the most disappointing arc ever. Lots of elsewhere events, main story off-screened, then the supposed major threat is avoided in 5 chapters?
In addition to minor villain arcs like Bellamy and Foxy, there's also Loguetown where Oda basically had Luffy forced away from the main villain by being blown away from Smoker.
So if Oda can find an accuse for Luffy to get forced away in Loguetown, then he could always find a way to do it at Egghead too.
@Cockycent
I'm not willing to bet anything in regards to Weevil's role, but I feel the Vegapunk connection exist more to set up Weevil's and CP-0 Stussy's origins than as a hook for Weevil's and Buckin's next appearance.
The way I see it, Buckin pleading may lead to Marco indeed chosing to save Weevil after all, rather than Marco coming to Egghead to check the veracity of Buckin's claims.
I don't think you can lump Kizaru or Saturn in the same corner as Bellamy or Foxy, or even Smoker (whose role so far has been way minor than anyone could expect). Also, unlike Logue Town, Long Ring or Jaya, Egghead is a place the story has been building up for over decade through Vegapunk hype.
If the arc ends in "5 chapters" like you expect, it will be doubly disappointing, as it first offscreened most of its conflict, then avoided the massive siege battle that it was building towards to for a dozen chapters.
That can't be the major incident that was promised to shock the world.
@Deicide said in Official Egghead Thread:
@Cockycent
I'm not willing to bet anything in regards to Weevil's role, but I feel the Vegapunk connection exist more to set up Weevil's and CP-0 Stussy's origins than as a hook for Weevil's and Buckin's next appearance.The way I see it, Buckin pleading may lead to Marco indeed chosing to save Weevil after all, rather than Marco coming to Egghead to check the veracity of Buckin's claims.
I don't think you can lump Kizaru or Saturn in the same corner as Bellamy or Foxy, or even Smoker (whose role so far has been way minor than anyone could expect). Also, unlike Logue Town, Long Ring or Jaya, Egghead is a place the story has been building up for over decade through Vegapunk hype.
If the arc ends in "5 chapters" like you expect, it will be doubly disappointing, as it first offscreened most of its conflict, then avoided the massive siege battle that it was building towards to for a dozen chapters.
That can't be the major incident that was promised to shock the world.
It looks like York has been lumped into that corner though considering what Oda just did.
I'm not literally saying the arc will end in five chapters, but my main point is that if the arc goes on for much longer, then I think I'm within reason to except Luffy will have more motivations to defeat Kizaru, who in turn would be built up as the main villain of the arc instead of some side inconvienience.
@Deicide I don't know which way it goes, but I think it's very much less likely that Marco helps after 16 allied captains of WB were taken out in whatever capacity that may mean.
@Cockycent Yes, it's possible Marco declines, in which case Cross Guild would be the most likely group to rescue him.
It's just that Oda sometimes completely ignores a character's actions if he reveals some redeeming qualities. Weevil helped save Sphynx Island, so maybe Marco overlooks all 16 crews decimated because of that.
@Deicide said in Official Egghead Thread:
@Cockycent Yes, it's possible Marco declines, in which case Cross Guild would be the most likely group to rescue him.
It's just that Oda sometimes completely ignores a character's actions if he reveals some redeeming qualities. Weevil helped save Sphynx Island, so maybe Marco overlooks all 16 crews decimated because of that.
Yeah, I could see Weevil allying with Cross Guild, being the "new Whitebeard" for them.
@Deicide I don't see it as ignoring their past actions. He takes into consideration those actions and holds up what was the interest and purpose. If interest can align, goals can be met.
It's piracy. Everything is pertinent at times, just like what they consider currency or their treasure for the moment. One day it's get WB, the same day things can adjust to - lets make sure the Marines don't get their way.
So, that relies on what is apposite to Marco. If anything, what does he gain by interfering with Weevil's capture? I won't use absolutes because it's illogical, so there is not anyhing to rule this out.
On the other hand, if opportunity presented itself, Croc and Buggy could use Majin Weevil and compensate Babidi, I mean Miss Buckingham.
These figures from the Underworld keep popping up with possible connections.
Sorry for the off topic thought, but Oda kind of explained why Teach would want the Mera Mera no Mi fruit.
Oda explained that the Mera fruit works on any kind of emotion you might have towards someone. So for S-snake, its thinking she's cute.
However, Teach could use this power for people who feel hatred, fear, anger or jealousy towards him.
In a way, he could become nigh on untouchable because you would have to be neutral towards him as you fought him.
@kevo_koma said in Official Egghead Thread:
Sorry for the off topic thought, but Oda kind of explained why Teach would want the Mera Mera no Mi fruit.
Oda explained that the Mera fruit works on any kind of emotion you might have towards someone. So for S-snake, its thinking she's cute.
However, Teach could use this power for people who feel hatred, fear, anger or jealousy towards him.
In a way, he could become nigh on untouchable because you would have to be neutral towards him as you fought him.
You mean Mero Mero right? It's confusing because Teach also wanted that one.
About the explanation, it's still unknown if it's from a legitimate source or not. The poster who brought this information claims Oda said this on an interview, but no one could verify if it's true.
@kevo_koma as @King-Cannon said, the source of this info is disputed. It’s not from any SBS or data book, and no one can find the interview in which Oda supposedly said that.
@King-Cannon Yes I meant boa hanock's fruit.
I thought this was info from an sbs!!
doesn't the original name of the fruit (Mero Mero) come from the Japanese onomatopoeia of falliing in love? (and it's called Love-Love in both dub and Viz iirc) so all the added emotions certainly justifies how ridiculous it can be, but now the name feels incorrect.
the idea of people going heart-eyed over Blackbeard is a really funny mental image though
@MetaMario AFAIK, the “mero” means something like “being drunk with emotions”, being carried away by powerful emotions, this sort of thing. It can mean falling in love but is not limited to it.
Nope, メロメロ (which is an actual word) means to be "madly in love; head over heels" or it can mean "out of spirit; collapsed." Nothing about being overcome with emotions in general. Hence why people were (rightfully) raising eyebrows at S-Snake turning the government agents to stone.
I like how Oda is having the Straw Hats reunited in the (presumed) middle of this arc now. At this point, they'd usually be separated and running all over the place, so this is a refreshing change of pace.
Agreed quite frankly happy this isnt the traditional run around get to the main bad guy arc.
@blue-san said in Official Egghead Thread:
Agreed quite frankly happy this isnt the traditional run around get to the main bad guy arc.
While it's too early to tell for sure, it feels a bit like Whole Cake Island, which at one point had the crew in a fortress (Bege), surrounded by a major enemy force and needing a escape plan.
Which is not a bad thing, WCI is my favorite post-TS arc. But I can't avoid the comparison.
@electricmastro said in Official Egghead Thread:
I like how Oda is having the Straw Hats reunited in the (presumed) middle of this arc now. At this point, they'd usually be separated and running all over the place, so this is a refreshing change of pace.
To be frank, this felt more like the arc resetting than the arc reaching a middle point.
By the comparison above, it's almost like WCI, in which we had two separate halves, one with the objective of saving Sanji (then crash the wedding), and then the crew regroups and need to escape from an overwhelming force. Which then led to them splitting again in three groups.
@Deicide said in Official Egghead Thread:
To be frank, this felt more like the arc resetting than the arc reaching a middle point.
The fact that Oda skipped over about 12 hours worth of events inclines me to think that Oda intends to have this be a shorter arc, so I'd be surprised if this arc went past 50 chapters.
@electricmastro Oda skipping time and breaking momentum on action and tension is exactly what gives me the vibe that the arc reseted instead of advancing.
It feel like all the past drama was just stalling while the new challenge is what was important since the beginning. We were wasting 20 chapters in a prelude.
I'm honestly giving up on trying to work out what the exact point of the cutaways and the Strawhats' lost day was until the arc is (at least close to) finished.
Could be that this is just like all the little skirmishes we ducked in and out of in the first two acts of Wano because Oda didn't want to give away abilities or undermine foes by showing them losing early on before the big battle. Just, without the surefire statement that the final battle would be in two weeks it's harder to see what he's doing in the moment and more difficult to believe the actual climax to those clashes is coming in a later fight.
Could be something like Zou where the arc as you'd usually expect to see it has already played out and we get it in a series of flashbacks that add context to the present day storyline as it plays out in parallel.
Could be that Oda just overcomitted to the death game idea and decided to ditch it to get to the Egghead Incident battle he wanted to do all along, that he thought would be more worth the time. Or intended to cut away at a more cliff-hangery moment for the whole crew (maybe closer to the moment Vegapunk vanished, or at the moment teaming up with Cipher Pol was pitched) instead of after they started fighting back and giving the suggestion of the whole battle, but he knew he needed to do the York reveal before the cutaway and couldn't make the timing work. Or he just kinda fumbled something that was meant to build tension.
I am really keen to work out my interpretation of the whole thing, but the long-term perspective it's going to take to narrow it down is something we just don't have yet.
@Captain-M
I'm really fumbled by this arc because it seemed to refreshing and intriguing at first, but everything I've been looking forward seem to just be smoke and mirrors and I won't get any pay-off whatsoever for getting invested in the first place.
If we leave Egghead island in the next few chapters, this will be the worst arc in One Piece, IMO, which is not a great start for the supposed final saga.
One more thing guys. The last time WG fought a Yonkou
Now you can sugar coat it all you want but these guys are underestimating the situation/ SHs power big time.
Forget the part where they sent this armada beforehand, thinking that they will just fight VP. They know fully well SHs are backing him up as well now and they are going forward with the assault.
Luffy just messed up Kaidou 5 seconds after getting the feel for Gear 5.
He is and should rip a new one through Kizaru's backside, which is especially sure to happen since Lucci did such a Shounen thing when he stated he doesnt accept Luffy as a yonkou -> making sure we get to see him in the first row witnessing the biggest shalacking since my home made pancake accident.
Would this incident cause another (minor) bounty raise or would that be a little too soon after Wano just boosted everyone?
@MetaMario said in Official Egghead Thread:
Would this incident cause another (minor) bounty raise or would that be a little too soon after Wano just boosted everyone?
Luffy could get a minor raise, but only him really.
@Deicide said in Official Egghead Thread:
@Captain-M
I'm really fumbled by this arc because it seemed to refreshing and intriguing at first, but everything I've been looking forward seem to just be smoke and mirrors and I won't get any pay-off whatsoever for getting invested in the first place.If we leave Egghead island in the next few chapters, this will be the worst arc in One Piece, IMO, which is not a great start for the supposed final saga.
I’m pretty satisfied with it as is. Am not inclined to put it below Long Ring Long Land either. lol
@electricmastro Long Ring Long Land:
I'm glad York was taken care of off-pannel... Now we have a unique situation where the protagonists are the ones getting challenged(invaded) and can't simply escape! In one chapter Borsalino brought forth the precious tension. The arc should last a while... If not, i will agree it was a mistake for Oda to take the story elsewhere for 10 chapters.
@Deicide said in Official Egghead Thread:
@electricmastro Long Ring Long Land:
- Would have ended 20 or so chapters ago
- Didn’t have the crew missing for 4 month
- Didn’t off-screened the conflict
- Was very funny
- Provided more stakes and tension than Egghead so far. At least there the crew was in danger and Luffy almost lost a fight.
- Had a weak villain that was actually funny and cunning enough to provide a challenge.
Well it looks like Garp's situation with Blackbeard Pirates is what filled in some of those stakes, even if Luffy wasn't directly involved.
Who knows, maybe Blackbeard Pirates and Cross Guild will ally after they turn Garp in to Cross Guild for the bounty money.
@electricmastro I don’t consider cutaway scenes that are unrelated to the main story as part of the arc. If an arc relies on unrelated stuff to be “good”, it’s not good. Those cutaways could have happened before or after the arc and not much would have changed.
@Deicide said in Official Egghead Thread:
@electricmastro I don’t consider cutaway scenes that are unrelated to the main story as part of the arc. If an arc relies on unrelated stuff to be “good”, it’s not good. Those cutaways could have happened before or after the arc and not much would have changed.
A Blackbeard Pirate ship was heading towards Egghead, so maybe more will be linked. We'll have to see.
@electricmastro I’m judging what we got so far. The future is anyone’s guess, but so far any good expectations I had have been debunked.
@Deicide said in Official Egghead Thread:
@electricmastro I’m judging what we got so far. The future is anyone’s guess, but so far any good expectations I had have been debunked.
Well, are you judging the arc specifically based on how it didn't meet your expectations, or are you judging it for what it is so far?
This arc turned from going into the wrong predictable direction to a new convoluted fun one.
So for me if anything it just got interesting and Oda pulled out a masterclass in execution of everything.
We were going in the direction of previous Dresrossa, Wano and similar arcs where Strawhats are busy running around and chasing separate matchups for 30 chapters.
But now things got spicey and we skipped through the dragging scenes and we ll be updated on the info we need as we go.
@blue-san said in Official Egghead Thread:
This arc turned from going into the wrong predictable direction to a new convoluted fun one.
So for me if anything it just got interesting and Oda pulled out a masterclass in execution of everything.
We were going in the direction of previous Dresrossa, Wano and similar arcs where Strawhats are busy running around and chasing separate matchups for 30 chapters.
But now things got spicey and we skipped through the dragging scenes and we ll be updated on the info we need as we go.
And Luffy isn't that far from Bonney, Franky, and the others either.
At this point, I consider it satisfying if Luffy is closer with his friends instead of running all around being far away from them.
@electricmastro
For being bellow expectations.
I don't care if my expectations are met, as long as it comes with good surprises. Most of One Piece has been like that: "oh, it didn't went as I expected, but this twist was awesome", or "wow, I could never have imagined THAT!".
This arc set up a lot to deliver nothing so far, which is why it has been so underwhelming.
@Deicide said in Official Egghead Thread:
@electricmastro
For being bellow expectations.I don't care if my expectations are met, as long as it comes with good surprises. Most of One Piece has been like that: "oh, it didn't went as I expected, but this twist was awesome", or "wow, I could never have imagined THAT!".
This arc set up a lot to deliver nothing so far, which is why it has been so underwhelming.
I try to judge arcs for what they are, not for what they aren't. So I feel that if I dislike an arc specifically because it didn't revolve around my way of how I thought things should have played out, then it doesn't do any favors for me.
So then, I just go by judging it for what it is.
@electricmastro
I AM judging the arc by what it delivered so far.
This arc has been ongoing for one year. A lot of people say they were completely uninterested in whatever the arc was building for 2/3 of that time. The other 1/3 was spent in other barely related stuff.
And then what the arc was building was soved off-screen and scrapped.
People can't tell if the arc is at a midpoint, a reset or near its end.
It has been a bad arc. Maybe whatever comes next will blow my mind, but these first 30 chapters/one year have been frustrating, and that's a very long stretch for such little reward.
@blue-san said in Official Egghead Thread:
One more thing guys. The last time WG fought a Yonkou
- It needed/brought 3 admirals not 1
- Brought basically all the VAs and their mothers
- Brought Garp and Sengoku
- Brought the shichibukai
- Had the fortress and the bait set up
- Had the traitor in Squadro
- Had a weakened/sick Yonkou + stab wound
- Had BB crash the party to beat down on WB some more
- Didnt have to fight the worlds greatest scientist and his creations/weapons
Now you can sugar coat it all you want but these guys are underestimating the situation/ SHs power big time.
Forget the part where they sent this armada beforehand, thinking that they will just fight VP. They know fully well SHs are backing him up as well now and they are going forward with the assault.
Luffy just messed up Kaidou 5 seconds after getting the feel for Gear 5.
He is and should rip a new one through Kizaru's backside, which is especially sure to happen since Lucci did such a Shounen thing when he stated he doesnt accept Luffy as a yonkou -> making sure we get to see him in the first row witnessing the biggest shalacking since my home made pancake accident.
Luffy doesn't have a fleet right now. He's just a crew of 10 with a few allies at the moment.
Way different than Whitebeard and his 1600-man fleet. Right now, the Marines have as much people as Kaidou's whole forces at Onigashima, while Luffy has no 5000 Samurai or Tama to even the numbers out.